Public, private schools 'can't be compared'

2012-12-04 09:12

Cape Town - Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga acknowledges that public schools cannot be compared to private schools, the Cape Times reported on Tuesday.

Speaking after the release of the annual national assessment results on Monday, she said public schools were overcrowded and less privileged.

"You cannot compare bananas to apples, a Rolls Royce with a Toyota," she told the newspaper.

The annual national assessment is a testing programme which requires all schools to conduct the same, grade-specific language and maths tests for Grades 1 to 6 and Grade 9.

More than seven million pupils wrote the tests in September, revealing low levels of literacy and maths.

  • freddie.miff - 2012-12-04 09:18

    Government funded schools cannot compare to former Model C schools either, so leave those alone. All you will do is lower the standard there as well.

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-12-04 09:47

      It has very little to do with being private. Both my sons go to a former model C primary shcool. Funny things is that whites, blacks and coloureds go that school and they are all doing equally well. The difference is, when we send our children to that school, we, as parents pay our school fees and do not expect it to be free. The way the government funding for schools works is that those schools in areas perceived to be better off get less funding than those in areas seen as being less well off. Our teachers are not SADTU members and don't go on strike. Our teachers do not try and shag the kids either. The teachers are sober when they come to school. When our teachers come to school, they teach. And the average size of the classes is 35 to 40 kids.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-04 10:14

      Shifting the blame again I see Mrs Motshekga. You are a thick headed moron who has absolutely no fu*kin clue what's going on or what your doing! cANCer ridden disease

      carla.vittori3 - 2012-12-04 10:35

      Then I would suggest that Angie take steps to privatise all public schools - just making sure that the government still funds them. that's the only way that quality education will be provided for all.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-12-04 10:55

      I like the comparison between bananas and apples - we ARE heading (unless we are not already there) towards a banana-republic status! So I guess it fits perfectly with the cANCer's curriculum...

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-12-04 14:02

      I think Toyota should sue the minister for implying that their cars are like the public school system. Most public schools are more like cheap Chinese imports, unreliable, under-equipped and bad quality ...

      lsfreak - 2012-12-04 14:22

      Hey Freddie, former Model C schools are Government funded and supported :/

  • piet.motsoeneng - 2012-12-04 09:19

    Since you noticed Angie, why dont you use Rolls Royce instead of Toyota? It means yoj know what private schools are doing right, so just do it too.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-12-04 09:28

      Angie and her colleagues would know all about private schools, that is where they send their children.

      jack.trend.3 - 2012-12-04 09:36

      Cannot really compare public schools with a Toyota. There is nothing wrong with a Toyota...

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-12-04 09:37

      And that means they have no confidence in public schools/what they are doing. Maybe officials who are in charge of education should be forced to enrol their kids in public schools, then we will never hear about schools that have no text books because they would know what it feels like to be a Toyota and improve the system.

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-12-04 09:50

      And when they get sick, they go to private hospitals, not those holes they call government hospitals. When they need to get around, they use blue light brigades, not our wonderful, non-existant public transportation system. Yes, she is so in touch with the daily plight of the average South African.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-12-04 10:08

      Every thing keeps going right, TOYOTA.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-12-04 10:26

      The sad thing is that the average cost per child at public schools - if you take the education budget plus school fees paid by parents - is more than a kid pays to go to a private school like Curro...

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-12-04 11:04

      Frans, the problem is, the money that is allocated FOR education department is actually not used FOR education. Its actually used THROUGH education department FOR their pockets. I am working for Department of Education and you would be shocked if you can see just how much is spent by department but not for education. You will find R 40 000 used for and printing of anuals training, but over R 600 000 used for the same training but for accommodation, meals or transport when they could have easily used R 300 000 to cover everything including the training costs.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-12-04 11:29

      I know - what is the entire budget for education? 207 billion? how many kids in public schools? 11 million kids at school? (including the ones at private schools and model c schools) That works out to about R19 000 per kid per year? if you add the money most parents pay as school fees, the average cost per kid is more than R20 000 per year. This is the same for a kid at Curro... which is a private school with a profit motive, and no more than 20 kids per class... Makes you think! We should look at places where education is working - I a not saying we should go to the model Finland follows - this would be too expensive for us - but what about Mozambique? Kids go to school in shifts, using the same school buildings and teachers... We need Maths teachers in classrooms. You will only get that if you pay them a decent salary...

      wo0two0t - 2012-12-04 11:37

      Piet - we see that every day in every dept the ANC runs - hence the reason we want them out. We would prefer the money to me managed by able staff who want the best for the people - who wouldn't only ANC supporters shrug.

  • danzo.makgita - 2012-12-04 09:20

    100% behind the minister

      dm.farmerjoe - 2012-12-04 09:33

      as well as the curve

      jman.maluleke - 2012-12-04 09:51

      @danso, have you ever been to school bro, I dnt think you knows the value of education to our children, idiot. Close your big mouth and open your big An*s and fart....

      jbooyse - 2012-12-04 09:53

      Only a complete and utter fool would back this idiot ! She is a moron !

      Billy - 2012-12-04 09:55

      thats riiight, you will always be behind her. unable to think for yourself. always chasing a shadow...

      Erna - 2012-12-04 10:13

      @danzo - please explain.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-04 10:16

      This comment right here from Danzo, this right here is what's wrong with South Africa people.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-04 10:53


      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-12-04 10:59

      I think danzo is trying a science experiment! There is so much shadow cast behind her due to her sized-up ego and her @rse that there is an effect being created only detected out in space - black hole..!

      aubrey.christie - 2012-12-04 11:06

      Tough when you can only be as good as a lemming.

      shane2809 - 2012-12-04 11:17

      LOL Danzo! I think you are just stirring the pot! There is no way you could be this blind! Good one!

      heini.botes - 2012-12-04 11:42

      @Shane.....62% + in every general election up to date, can anyone be that blind you ask?? You want to ask that question again?

  • alan.jerrold - 2012-12-04 09:21

    Yup, Angie, you and your dept, along with SADTU, have made sure that public schools are more like broken bicycles than Toyotas. I hope millions of future Black voters REALLY appreciate your efforts...

      npretorius2 - 2012-12-04 09:32

      Keep them stupid so they believe all the empty promises!

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-12-04 09:23

    Angie Matshega and Jacob Zuma should hang their head in shame. One day our children when they cannot get employment in the future will spit in their graves! There is nothing difficult with our education system except for this government to stop listening to neoliberals who are hell bent on keeping our children uneducated! The Missionary Schools had one of the best models and they were operating on a shoe-string budget! They had no minister, DG or so called education expects! Why don't we bring them back? Here are my simple solutions: 1) De-unionise teaching and make it a profession, 2) make it an essential service, 3) Copy and paste exactly what the private sector is going, 4) Swallow our pride and ask Mugabe how did he get it right!

      Erna - 2012-12-04 10:15

      You don't have to "swallow your pride" and ask Mugabe - ask Jonathan Jansen.

  • jman.maluleke - 2012-12-04 09:28

    So you are Rolls Royce and our children Toyotas, an insult. You failed to deliver books to Limpopo Toyotas this year and you are still in the office. Angie you should tender a resignation letter without any waste of time.

  • linda.duits - 2012-12-04 09:30

    But what she forgets to add is that parents whose kids are in private schools pay an arm and leg to get there kids there and pay for everything else. Build more schools Angie, get proper qualified teachers (you guys closed the teachers colleges remember!)drop the maths literacy as no child will get a proper job with that rubbish. Make sure that children have there books timeously when the first day of school starts..... you won't listen in any case, you should have been fired ages ago.The only thing you lot know what to do is waste taxpayers money and enrich yourselves!

  • bernard.mackenzie.5 - 2012-12-04 09:32

    You can't compare public schools with Toyotas. At least Toyotas are reliable and seldom break down.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-12-04 09:32

    In fact, the government's Rondebosch Boys' High compares equally in every way with the exclusive private Diocesan College (Bishops) located within a mere cricket ball's throw of each other. It CAN and it HAS been done.

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-12-04 09:33

    "You cannot compare bananas to apples, a Rolls Royce with a Toyota," And whose fault is that? The incompetents who have been in charge since 1994. And don't insult a Toyota, you imbecile.

      sabelo.l.mthembu - 2012-12-04 09:40

      Hahahahaha so much anger

      asdhasgd - 2012-12-04 11:54

      Hahahaha sabelo so much stupidity coming from you xD

  • gert.theunissen.3 - 2012-12-04 09:33

    Toyota = your department (that you are responsible for) Rolce = People that wants to make a difference = competence

  • chiepner - 2012-12-04 09:34

    Enough has been said about the poor state our education is in. Everyone now knows that the problem does not lie with children that is not capable of reaching higher standards, but rather with an education department that is lacking the proper tools, administrators and drive to teach our children properly. Public education has been reduced to a cheap form of "public relations" for the current ruling party to try and convince its people that things are actually getting better than they where before. The fact of the matter is one does not play so lightly with the future of our children and yet our government still drags their feet and thinks very little of the future of our children. It should be law that if you are an MP, politician or even pres of this country your children should attend public school and not be privladged to private education, because maybe when the greedy self serving corrupt administrators see that their very own childrens futures are in the balance - maybe then will they actually start taking this entire matter very seriously.

  • ian.robertreid - 2012-12-04 09:36

    Schools r overcrowded~ because the indigenous man can,t keep his tools in his pants?

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-12-04 09:36

    How can this imbecile be the minister of basic education! All she has done is lower the standards so that her ANC supporter's children will pass. And now she dares to say don't compare private education with government education. This is a mess she created and to fix it she should resign and hand over to some who is literate in maths! Its these morons who are responsible for the bleak future these undereducated kids are going to live!

      Erna - 2012-12-04 10:16

      There are former Model C schools that compare very favourably with private schools.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-04 10:44

      Hmmmmm methinks that basically the minister of basic education lacks basic education ? Just thinking......

  • Brian Dorning - 2012-12-04 09:36

    you fail to deliver textbooks because you gave the contract to corrupt member of your corrupt ANC brotherhood! And still you can build Zuma a R200m house. Citizens of this country, but someone in charge that will serve the people, not because of skin colour...I'm not saying vote for whites, but vote for competence

  • Erna - 2012-12-04 09:38

    You cannot compare former Model C schools to government funded schools. The idea is to improve the funded schools to the level of the former Model C schools, but that is beyond their understanding. Then so many parents wouldn't be anxious to place their children in former Model C schools, and be happy to send children to schools closer to their homes.

  • infijar.ken - 2012-12-04 09:39

    The children and grandchildren of the ruling elite go to which schools?

  • david.lebethe - 2012-12-04 09:39

    It is unimaginable of a minister, whose government is in power can talk like that?! Of course, it can only be a government which is corrupt and wasteful of tax payers' monies that can talk like that. Worse, is that she says these things without shame or any remorse. She is not even aware that the statement is incriminating and that the government is complicit to crime.

  • Brian Dorning - 2012-12-04 09:41

    when will the majority of this country realize that the ANC are keeping them uneducated and stupid so that they will believe their lies and empty promises? ANC are doing this to keep themselves in power!

  • firmsly.kabelo - 2012-12-04 09:42

    Just accept that you've failed the South African pupils and resign theres nothing that you're doing to improve this 'Toyota'.

  • jbooyse - 2012-12-04 09:49

    You get what you pay for... In SA if you don't pay to have your kid in a "private" school he/she will NOT get the education that they deserve ! The goverment has proved that in every action so far ! They feel nothing for the education of the youth ! Would rather spend millions on "renevations" than on the education of SA's future !

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-04 10:33

      They feel nothing for no one but themselves period...

  • jon.harris.9421450 - 2012-12-04 09:49

    Even though i whole heatedly agree that a major overhaul is required within the the education department and that the so called education in this country is a joke, i do also feel that a lot of the blame must go to normal everyday people, because it seems that so many people believe that they can keep producing more and more offspring (once again if the education on reproduction improved it may get better) race isnt even the item here, i know three families that between them have thirteen children(note that they are white families) how can the system hold up when every year we put more and more children into schools?

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-12-04 09:56

    And I can only guess where your lovely kids school hey Andy, they must be enjoying themselves at the rolls royce while our kids sat without books for almost a full year.

      leon.m.delport - 2012-12-05 18:06

      Your kids not getting text books.......whose fault is that,...... the rolls royce shools?

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-12-04 09:58

    Keep them dumb...the ANC way!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-04 10:28

      I concur....

  • brasteve.myaluze - 2012-12-04 10:02

    Angie's job (in simplified terms) is to ask, ''what can we do in public schools for them to be like private schools?'' then she shoud do what they tell her. She does not need to go political and write 500 page reports or write complicated policies with political jargon and history on how bad Bantu education was that you end up forgeting what you were trying to achieve. And then build more schools with proper infrastructure and get textbooks to school. Is that too much to ask for?

  • mark.higgens.9 - 2012-12-04 10:06

    Where is Julius, he MUST nationalize the private schools!!!!!! (sarcasm)

  • maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-12-04 10:11

    its fine to compare a rolls royce to a toyota - THAT IS ACTUALLY ROADWORTHY AND RUNNING! We just want public schools to get the basics right Angie!

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-12-04 10:11

    Madam, I was educated in a government school, the so called apartheid South African Indian Education.The results achieved and products of these government schools was far superior to that of ALL other education systems in this country including private schools. Some of the key ingredients of this success was respect, discipline, commitment and dedicated teachers amongst others.What little we had compared to some of the other education systems, our community put to maximum use yielding exceptionally good results. So my dear your analogy is totally incorrect.Please STOP finding excuses.Where is the money alloted for education? The stealing, burning of books, non deliverance of basic needs by the current government must be questioned befor you make lame excuses.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-04 10:26

      Rampant, well said ! You deserve a Bells !!

      Martha1234 - 2012-12-04 15:19

      Well said!

  • peter.braat - 2012-12-04 10:13

    Sticking with her misguided analogy. A Toyota will get you to your destination just as well as a Rolls Royce. Possibly even more efficiently as it does not waste tons of money of luxury items that while nice are unnecessary for the true purpose of a vehicle and is way more fuel-efficient. She should rather properly service her Toyota than eye a Rolls Royce if she wants to improve education.

  • nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-04 10:23

    REALLY ANGIE ? I wouldn't have guessed it ...HAHAHAHAHA.....

  • avremel.niselow - 2012-12-04 10:25

    Acknowledging defeat doesn't do anything to fix the problem, maybe you should follow the private model.

  • samuel.ramaifo - 2012-12-04 10:30

    Angie has clearly lost her mind. How come u proud such nonsense

  • emil.vanmoorsel - 2012-12-04 10:32

    She should be charged with crimes against the youth of South Africa by denying them the right to a good education. I believe that is something the constitution promises the youth of this country.

  • mphokazi.mhlontlo - 2012-12-04 10:36

    now...its been like that since forever...that we know..we really need to hear solutions to the problem we've been having since for ever..telling us something we ALL know "public schools cannot be compared to private schools" does not help the problem does it..if you where saying we've came up with solution"A" never mind B and C to fill the cap between public schools AND private schools then u will be talking..

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-12-04 10:43

    Dam right!, you have no control over the private schools to screw them up. That's why they work!!!!

  • firstseed.mbeva - 2012-12-04 10:48

    Of course we blame Verwoerd,isn't Msholozi?

  • shaylene.stenger - 2012-12-04 10:48

    Well then start building more schools instead of waisting our tax money, up the standard of education and pay teachers a better salary!!!!!!

  • charnelle.bester - 2012-12-04 10:49

    Hay Textbook Angie, your right they sure as hell cant be. Back in 2002 when I matriculated, (NOT THAT LONG AGO), private schools were a luxury, now they are a bloody necessity, considering that I would sell my soul, for my child to get a decent education. Lets sum it up - Striking Teachers, no provision of textbooks, lack of basic sanitary facilities.. Its basic - very basic. Keep the masses dumb..

  • gkleingeld - 2012-12-04 10:55

    Do people know that this women's family have written off at least 5 government vehicles! She also asks for a 'crismas' when tdealing with outsource companies who tender for work. This women has no morals when it comes to ethical standard. She is one of the chief examples of why our government is corrupt. I was i nno private school, but at least we had books and teachers who did not rape our students, or steal their lunch food. Attitude reflects leadership, this women should be fired, but her husband is a senior member in the ANC, cader deployment and nepotism at it's worst!

      charnelle.bester - 2012-12-04 11:31

      She asks for a "Chrimas"? OMG - Now I am just digusted. A Chrismas??? OMG. LOL.

  • Jacky Mutsila - 2012-12-04 10:57

    Banana and apple,lol,i dnt even know which 1 is beta dan da ada cuz they all so damn good...wat a stupid example

  • aubrey.christie - 2012-12-04 11:03

    Can this women please explain to us in what way are these private schools more priveleged. All my kids went to a privte school, I worked my butt off for years to put them through their schooling so their education would be up to scratch. Please don't insult our intelligence.

  • thomas.rikhotso.7 - 2012-12-04 11:17

    I dont agree wth Angie. No! U cn compare banana nd apple. Da only thng u cn do is 2 gv dem da same treatment. Wch means da public schools mst b gvn da same equiments or materials compare 2 private schools myb i cn say. Over crowd is nothng.

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-12-04 11:19

    Cretin. You may need to look it up. You can compare a Rolls to a Toyota. They serve two different market segments. The difference is that they both work! There is nothing wrong with the Toyota, it does the same job as a Rolls without the frills. Now our Toyota has been run without oil and water. The wheels are gone and it has been crashed many times. It's no longer a car - its scrap. You cant even compare it to a running 62 beetle. Who broke it? Same guys who break everything around here. My best is that now you want to break all the other working Toyotas by cramming them full of learners who no longer have working schools. They looked after their cars and maintained them. You dont care - lets just use them till they are also without wheels. The african way?

  • earthian.earthian - 2012-12-04 11:19

    You also cannot compare stupid with smart!

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-12-04 11:22

    Cretin. You may need to look it up. You can compare a Rolls to a Toyota. They serve two different market segments. The difference is that they both work! There is nothing wrong with the Toyota, it does the same job as a Rolls without the frills. Now our Toyota has been run without oil and water. The wheels are gone and it has been crashed many times. It's no longer a car - its scrap. You cant even compare it to a running 62 beetle. Who broke it? Same guys who break everything around here. My best is that now you want to break all the other working Toyotas by cramming them full of learners who no longer have working schools. They looked after their cars and maintained them. You dont care - lets just use them till they are also without wheels. The african way?

  • angela.nair.3 - 2012-12-04 11:26

    13%? Thirteen percent? In this day and age? I knew this would happen when the smart alecks closed down the Teacher Training colleges! I come from a family with a long line of teachers - they trained to become dedicated teachers and backbones of society at these colleges.... Curriculums keep changing, so are the teachers trained to keep up with changes? Or is apartheid to blame - again - after almost 20 years! We have failed the youth in so many ways - schooling, job creation, leadership etc etc. But there is always Bantu Education and Apartheid to blame - and yet I had African teachers at my Congress school who were Maths and Science boffins.... I rest my case!

  • - 2012-12-04 11:50

    She should be fired

  • mlimiliba.siqendu - 2012-12-04 12:41

    The greatest problems in public schools are overcrowding and a lack of disciplinary measures on pupils. It is easier to handle a smaller number of pupils than a large number which can happen to be not that concerned with what is taking place in the classroom. All children have the capabilities when they are placed in an enabling environment. If confidence is restored to a child it will do a great deal in narrowing the gap between the abilities of children in public schools and private schools. Exposure is the key in narrowing that divide. There are few extremely capable children and you find them both in public and private schools. Let us remember that as we advance in life we end up being in the same stations. Measures need to be put in place to alleviate problems facing the public schools. And there will be no need for these unjust comparisons.

  • juannepierre - 2012-12-04 13:02

    I don't see how a private school with it's cello lessons and unicorn riding will make any difference to how well a child learns to read and write, and add. Maths is maths, it's the same in every language no matter how much money you throw at it's face. My point, six subject is the basic, there should be no deviant on that, privatization offers more than just the six basic subjects.

  • lwpretorius - 2012-12-04 14:33

    The saddest part (about the results) is the fact that our curriculums are not even up to the international levels. Our matric mathematics is so watered down, that we need to send our children to a special 8-month long course to learn amongst other topics about the binomial theorem, natural logarithms, integration, etc. These topics are standard in the UK, North Carolina and New South Wales. Who are we fooling with an 80% matric pass rate. These latest results once again shows that an educator of stature (not a self-proclaimed expert), must be appointed as minister of ALL education. Please do not let Graeme Bloch near the Department of Education, not even as a commentator.