Pule must repay, apologise - Madonsela

2013-12-05 15:08

Pretoria - Former communications minister Dina Pule must apologise to Parliament, the communications department, and the Sunday Times for "persistently lying and unethical conduct", Public Protector Thuli Madonsela said on Thursday.

"I am asking honourable Pule to apologise to the Sunday Times for the persistent insults and denial of the truth that she eventually admitted to me, and affected staff members of the department of communications for placing them in an unethical situation involving persistent lies and deceit.

"Honourable Pule is being asked to apologise to Parliament for persistently misleading this august constitutional pillar and never admitting the truth right until the end. Our understanding is that she never admitted to Parliament the full circumstances of what happened," Madonsela said in Pretoria.

She was releasing finalised reports on her investigations into allegations of corruption and a potential conflict of interest against Pule.

It involved her appointment of service providers to do event management for the ICT Indaba in Cape Town held from 4 to 7 June last year.

Madonsela found Pule unlawfully extended her spousal benefits to her romantic partner Phosane Mngqibisa.

"I had to deal with allegations that honourable Pule had a relationship with a certain Mr Mngqibisa which influenced his behaviour in the indaba. It was also alleged that this Mr Mngqibisa was represented to the department of communications as honourable Pule's companion and that he improperly benefited as such from the departmental finances."

Madonsela found that despite numerous denials, Pule told her department Mngqibisa was her official companion.

"The key evidence is a form completed upon her appointment as the deputy minister of communications. By her own admission to me, honourable Pule had a romantic relationship."

Madonsela said at a meeting Pule told her Mngqibisa was not her spouse as he was married to someone else under civil law.

She said Pule pledged to repay the money spent by the communications department. She had since paid back more than R89 000. The money was spent as Mngqibisa accompanied Pule on overseas trips, as a spouse.

"Honourable Pule’s conduct was unlawful. I also consider it grossly improper and unethical that she tried to pass the buck to her staff," said Madonsela.

She said the amount of money spent on Mngqibisa had not yet been determined, but the department should be reimbursed every cent.

  • Blackbeard - 2013-12-05 15:13

    And still addressing the thief as 'Honourable' after all that! RFLMFAO!

      Amanda Matthews - 2013-12-05 21:25

      And hell will freeze over before this dishonourable thief admits guilt before Parliament.

  • Mkulu Mkulu - 2013-12-05 15:13

    Another one bites the dust.

      Check Mate Malan - 2013-12-05 16:02

      Mkulu,, LOVE IT .. The house is slowly crumbling around the ANC Comrades, just because of the deliberate way in which they got rid of Thabo Mbheki, and installed a BIG SPENDER in his place, who they thought they could manipulate.. Boy do they deserve what they sowed.

      Nick Bozman - 2013-12-05 17:55

      Mkulu-I think the Queen song goes "and another one bites the dust and another one,and another one,and another one" and so on !

  • Magda Henning Human - 2013-12-05 15:19

    What a fantastic woman. Madonsela, WE LOVE YOU

      Sterling Ferguson - 2013-12-05 17:46

      How come the NPA hasn't brought criminal charges against this lady?

  • John Stoltz - 2013-12-05 15:19

    Thuli refers to her as the "honourable" , yet she is implicated in these acts of misconduct ! She is a disgrace for any public office, but just another incompetent ANC deployed cadre I guess !! What a laughing stock our leadership must be for the normal/outside world !!

  • Emma Sanderson - 2013-12-05 15:20

    I really don't think the tax payer should pay the bill for anyone's spouse to travel with them at all ever. Except for the president because that is a full time job however only one spouse.

  • Vernando Imuzion Rufftus - 2013-12-05 15:22

    Is not inside is ......on TOP. gone are the days where being a politicians means money in you account. Zuma is dealing with himself and the whole anc, i respect msholozi he sent thuli to himself and set her to the others. surely msholozi deserve to be a leader.

  • JohnDe - 2013-12-05 15:23

    And pretty soon the Master of Denials (Dr Nkandla) will repay his debts to society as well. Cant wait for election 2014.

  • Michel Konings - 2013-12-05 15:23

    MR ZUma is unable to employ reliable and reputable people in some cases to his cabinet

      Jan Grimbeek - 2013-12-05 15:37

      he's actually clever by employing them, then there's a lot of other criminals to share the limelight with and he will not shine alone.

  • Zohan Steppingstone - 2013-12-05 15:28

    The Honorable Pule will soon be promoted, that's how the ANC rolls.

  • Candice Humphreys - 2013-12-05 15:28

    Madonsela for president!

  • Rampant - 2013-12-05 15:36

    three cheers for Madam Madonsela. Next on the list is showerhead.

  • David Muir - 2013-12-05 15:38

    So why is sh still referred to as 'Honourable"?

      KReddy - 2013-12-05 16:01

      Cos she's emphasising in a sarcastic way that dina pule is in no way honourable. Its an antithesis

  • Raul Curado - 2013-12-05 15:44

    This is what this country government leaders are: thieves, liers, corrupt and adulterous. Very good mix indeed!

  • Sipho Gift - 2013-12-05 15:44

    I guess the starring who is also the chief of thugs aka showerhead is nxt 2b asked 2 apologise 2 parliament & nation & must also payback what he stole frm us taxpayers & release spy tapes & lastly face mighty arm of the law ,don't do crime if u can't do time this was just a warm up 4 public protector the real match is coming Thuli vs showerhead I can't wait 4 the score though I know whose gonna win#the champion is public protector#

  • Michael Farrell - 2013-12-05 15:48

    Thuli Madonsela said on Thursday. "I am asking honourable Pule to apologise to ..." I'm pretty sure the use the honorable Public Protector is making much use of IRONY and SARCASM in this statement.

  • CaL - 2013-12-05 15:50

    Ho HO HO!! Gives the word 'Honourable' a deceptive meaning. Did Madonsela mean Dishonourable Pule???

  • Theo Martinez - 2013-12-05 15:59

    and then JZ will give her a faraway ambassador's post where she can play with her boyfriend on taxpayer's expenses and out of the spotlight.

  • Leon Mason - 2013-12-05 16:00

    Viva ANC Viva, no one better than the ANC too destroy themselves.

  • Clive Brink - 2013-12-05 16:03

    There is so much goodness and good people in South Africa, it is my prayer that someday we will have our rainbow country and become the most successful and happy country in Africa. I've been holding thumbs since 1994. My special request to all these special people, please leave racism out of these responses and don't feed the trolls that come on here to stir emotions and break down the good work and progress that us ordinary people have done. Criticise by all means the crooks deserve it but spare the racism and don't respond to or entertain blatant racists. It is quite correct, this lady should be charged in a court of law, not merely apologise and repay the fruits of her corruption and theft.

      Wanda Bongile Novukela - 2013-12-05 16:25

      I thank you. Knowing there are people like you gives me hope.

  • Nathanial Edwards - 2013-12-05 16:04

    Gulawe stop blaming white people for our shortcomings. As a black person I am disgusted that this Pule steal my money and only have to say sorry. If it was me and you we go to jail. See got nothing to do with white people. We has blacks should should stop pointing the finger and better ourselves not my stealing .

      Frank Coetzee - 2013-12-05 20:14

      Thank you Nathanial

  • Erna Westdyk - 2013-12-05 16:15

    Isn't it amazing - lie, steal and deceive and still be called honourable!

  • Philip Buys - 2013-12-05 16:19

    If The Zoomer can have 300 "wives", why can't pule have two "husbands", even if they are as ugly as sin.

  • George Michaelides - 2013-12-05 16:30

    Thuli...we don't like you !...WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!

  • Bluecranechick - 2013-12-05 16:31

    Gulawe,is a typical black racist,everything that has gone wrong from 1992 is blamed on white people,why dont you wake up,get of your ass and start contributing to make SA a country that can compete on international level,and not a nation that is run by the most corrupt government in the world who fail on all levels,and when they make a f...up,they can always blame apartheid,this trend will carry on for the next hundred years,so enjoy youself Gulawe you have a excuse to be a total idiot.

  • Stephen AndKathy Whiteley - 2013-12-05 16:32

    Honourable Pule???

      Smith Smith - 2013-12-05 18:08

      Thuli is just showing she has respect and class. Don't mind the word.....

  • George Michaelides - 2013-12-05 16:32

    TROLL ALERT...Gulawe is still here....TROLL ALERT !!!

  • Theo Doms - 2013-12-05 16:39


  • Ziyanda Soya - 2013-12-05 16:39

    Thanx to the Government of the ANC for Thuli Madonsela,She inspires me.As for Pule she took our taxes and paid boyfriend allowance she must pay back the money with interest

  • Winifred Watson - 2013-12-05 16:43

    She gets referred to Honourable Pule, its a pity she did'nt live up to her status...The Honourable Pule, a pig is more honourable than her and what a arrogant liar she is. She should get the boot then again she is close to No 1 and he is also guilty so I guess miss blue eyes will just be redeployed an another honourable minister in another port folio.

  • Louis - 2013-12-05 16:48

    The honourable liar and The world is such a circus

  • Xolani Makonco - 2013-12-05 16:49

    Thuli for Presidency,U doing great work Sisi, u should be a DA member nd I wish we can have many of U.

  • Daan Smit - 2013-12-05 17:01

    Easy to say "sorry" and not meaning is. Slap on the wrist if you ask me. Should go to jail.

  • Robert Keene - 2013-12-05 17:12

    "Honourable Pule’s conduct was unlawful, I also consider it grossly improper and unethical" Oxymoron or what?

  • Markus Esterhuyse - 2013-12-05 17:37

    resident Jacob Zuma is not a fool. He makes gaffes every week and has no idea what constitutionality means. But he is not a fool. He might not read - as has been alleged - but that does not mean he does not know what levers have to be cranked to ensure that he never gets inside a court. Since he became the president of the ANC in 2007, he has overseen the most concerted and successful assault on the country's independent institutions. The judiciary is today facing a major crisis of confidence because of cases involving him at the Constitutional Court. The minute he won the ANC presidency in Polokwane, the Scorpions - which had been investigating him- were disbanded. It was quick, cruel and ruthless. Over the past few months it has been the public protector's turn. In that time, we have witnessed concerted and coordinated attacks from parliament, the executive and various wings of the ANC on the office led by possibly the most admired "public servant" in the nation today - Thuli Madonsela. This past week we had the extraordinary sight of our security cluster - which has over the past few weeks made fools of themselves saying all kinds of nonsense about Madonsela - turning on the populace and declaring that publication of pictures of the taxpayer-funded Nkandla monstrosity were illegal and that the full might of the law would come down on those who dared to do so. All this for one man: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma. The man is not a fool. He has managed to get Africa's oldest liberation movement to become a tool for his protection. Whatever he does - whether it is his friends the Guptas landing their planes at military key points with impunity or a hideous compound being built for him for R208-million, the man has got the party rushing to do his bidding. And so one has to ask: Which ANC is this? How can an organisation that refused to have a personality cult built around Nelson Mandela allow itself to become a mere tool in the hands of Zuma? How can its leaders cast aside the party's historical mission - to transform the lives of millions of poor black people and build a united, non-racial, prosperous and democratic country - to simply become gophers for Zuma? Yet that is what the party's 86-member national executive committee has become. ANC MPs are now introducing legislation that is aimed solely at protecting this one man. Across the land, provincial party leaders hobble state machinery merely to protect and keep this one compromised leader out of jail and in power. It is an incredible sight. Once proud leaders who served our nation in exile, in the United Democratic Front and in trade unions now scrape and bow before one man. The ANC no longer has leaders. It has zombies who mindlessly follow this one leader and do his bidding. It is quite extraordinary. What has happened to the culture of debate and contestation that once permeated this movement? What happened to the pride that made this once great organisation stand up and expel people who muddied its name? How can this lot walk in the shoes of Albert Luthuli, AP Mda, Anton Lembede, Pixley kaIsaka Seme? So, as we look at the extraordinary lengths that the current ANC "leadership" has gone to defend an embarrassment of a leader whose entire family seems to be infused by a shocking culture of entitlement - Zuma's brother, Michael, last week admitted using his name to swing tenders to his benefactors - we have to ask: Where is the ANC? The answer is heartbreaking: The ANC is compromised; it is lost. It has lost its moral compass and its leadership of society. The man at its head is a reflection of what the party is: ill-disciplined, compromised and unprincipled. The desperation one sees among the ANC's leaders is a reflection of this. When a man as widely admired as Cyril Ramaphosa has no other argument to convince a voter to still support the ANC than "the Boers will return", then you know that this is a movement that is both intellectually and morally bankrupt. The emperor and his lieutenants have no clothes. And so we will remember the reign of Zuma. We will remember it not for its achievements but for the cowardice, callowness and bankruptcy of the leadership that he brought with him. We will remember his lackeys for their bowing and scraping and their destruction of the continent's greatest liberation movement. What an ignominious end for the party of Mandela.

      Otlile Gwyvara Makena - 2013-12-05 20:54

      Justice Malala always hits it on the head.

  • Pat Aldrich - 2013-12-05 17:39

    Greed like old zumpie

  • Lunetic Mental - 2013-12-05 17:52

    Pule should be in jail, never mind apologise

  • Ratabane Godley Mosetlha - 2013-12-05 18:06

    This is what I call a chief whip, cracking it on all dump boys and girls.

  • Sebothoma Amos - 2013-12-05 18:07

    I hate people who steal money from poor people, i think pule doesn't deserve to be called the honourable, she is a thief, lier and a disgrace to this goverment and to ANC. I personally salute Mrs Thuli Mandonsela, i aprecciate every good work u do to this country. Viva Thuli Viva.

  • Sebothoma Amos - 2013-12-05 18:08

    I hate people who steal money from poor people, i think pule doesn't deserve to be called the honourable, she is a thief, lier and a disgrace to this goverment and to ANC. I personally salute Mrs Thuli Mandonsela, i aprecciate every good work u do to this country. Viva Thuli Viva.

  • Andrea Thompson - 2013-12-05 18:16

    I think it's high time that the honourable part is dropped from Pule's name already.

  • Maroga Tj - 2013-12-05 18:31

    I like madonsela u r giving dis clawns of zanc a sleepless nights

  • Solly Vander Tema - 2013-12-05 18:36

    Can't wait for shower head's turn he will feel that big clueless-head heavy

  • Sefako Mokgalaka - 2013-12-05 18:39

    I can't wait for the day she asks Zuma to repay the millions for the swimming pools, home theater and kraals as well as the huts for the relatives.

  • Sefako Mokgalaka - 2013-12-05 18:54

    Thuli you are our last hope to save us from these criminals.

  • Phineas Phinito Ratshosa - 2013-12-05 21:06

    The honourable Public Protector never does a half job and she takes no prisoners. I love this lady

  • Gemma van der Merwe - 2013-12-05 21:07

    She was effectively stealing. If this wss done i the private sector shevwould have been treated very different. Zuma will never pay us back. I say convert nkandla to a school or hospital.

  • Sonnyboy Simelane - 2013-12-05 21:20

    the boy friend must also bring back the 6 million for 4 days only was not lotto jackpot small boy

  • Chris Bester - 2013-12-05 23:50

    Her conduct was unlawfull? Why is she not formally charged? If anyone of us is breaking the law,we get charged?!! Sorry I am to stupid to understand this one!

  • Clive Soldin - 2013-12-06 00:51

    No one gets formally charged cos then there's the chance of prison and then one has to come up with a whole range of health issues, create new rules for deserving mates.... Easier to just do nothing (hey Mac!) and hope the public forgets in the hectic pace of life. How can they not know by now that they cannot hide any longer - a thief is a thief - all should be prosecuted. The spindoctors are sweating...

  • Clive Soldin - 2013-12-06 01:10

    And when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar (probably the wrong analogy cos we are talking big money here..) the punishment has just got to be more than "please return the cookies". This is premeditated theft and it is the poor who suffer the most because of it. And the morally bankrupt leadership know this, of course.