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Pupils relieved bully is dead

2012-11-22 08:40

Johannesburg - Schoolchildren at Phineas Xulu Secondary School say they are relieved that a school bully is dead as he often tormented them.

An 18-year-old pupil has been arrested and charged with murder for shooting dead Nkululeko Ndlovu in a classroom at the school, reported The Star.

The boy apparently used his metro police mother’s gun in the shooting.

His mother told Eyewitness News that her son was a quiet boy who liked to play computer games at home and said she was unaware of his problems at school.

She said she feared for his future and “I am hurt because it happened to my baby”.

But fellow pupils said they were not sad about Ndlovu’s death as they too had been victims of his bullying.  

“We never [wanted] to go to the toilets because we were scared of him. One day I was at the toilet and he came in, grabbed me by my private parts and took my money. His friends were just standing there, laughing,” one boy said.

Another girl said if the school had taken action against Ndlovu, his death could have been avoided.

But an education department spokesperson said the school had been aware of the boy’s problems and had been working with his grandmother to address them.

Comments
  • anton.meiring.9 - 2012-11-22 08:46

    Do you see what SA has become!? Sicko! This is the adults of tomorrow. Scary.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-11-22 08:55

      @anton.meiring.9: Come now, this happends all over the world.

      jono.qmann - 2012-11-22 08:55

      thats what happenes when you are not allow to diciplen them properly anymore!

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-22 09:05

      This is how are kids are being taught by adults. If you don't like someone you kill them. It happens everyday in taxi violence, political violence, protests...

      peejay.maclane - 2012-11-22 09:06

      What abt USA sicko who start shooting randomly in the movie theaters for no apparent reason? SA is better than other countries but I don't condone the violence in our country

      Jason - 2012-11-22 09:15

      Beat the little bastards. Bring back Caning!

      tafkad.tafkad - 2012-11-22 09:21

      What about the USA? We aren't the USA,we are South Africa, just because it happens elsewhere it doesn't mean it must be accepted as normal here, there's no reason to even draw a parallel between us, grow the f up. Kala is correct, moral degeneration is escalating massively in SA and it's filtering down to our kids, adults need to set the necessary examples for our youth but they generally act worse than animals.

      NickvanGraan - 2012-11-22 09:28

      Bullying is a worldwide problem. The common denominator is that very little, if anything is done about it and the bully's parents are normally unaware of what their "babies" are up to, and if they are, seem powerless to do anything about it. This killing was bound to happen at some stage and probably will not be the last time.

      Mark - 2012-11-22 09:33

      How do you act worse than an animal? Humanities monstrous deeds should not be compared to how poorly animals can behave as there is really no comparison. Animals could never behave as poorly as humans can behave.

      hugh.mungus.98 - 2012-11-22 09:35

      @de.stig "he won't bully anyone again" True but we have probably just lost a future president to this act of senseless violence.

      christopher.shining - 2012-11-22 09:47

      The school should have done more here. Seems like they brushed the whole bullying incidents under the carpet...Fire the principal!

      darryn.lahner - 2012-11-22 09:54

      From the sounds of things that "kid" was not just a bully but more a thug and criminal in school clothing.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-22 10:46

      @Psebetlela - That is exactly the problem I'm talking about. Why do the likes of you feel the need to go kill someone you don't like. I was a victim of bullying at school and I never killed the bully, although admittedly I did entertain the thought. But the day a threw a punch back and broke his nose the bully never again laid hands on me. Everyday we read of people taking people lives because they don't like them. Hell there is even a story today of a guy that beat his girlfriend to death. These are example of what our children see as acceptable conflict resolutions. And clearly you argree with it. And you say I've lost my marbles.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-11-22 11:17

      Clearly no one understands the level of bullying in a township school. Its bad. Not that the boy was justified, but that level of bullying can drive anyone off the rails.

      NickvanGraan - 2012-11-22 11:31

      @jack.blacking.56: Now you know why comments were banned on the "Pilot Story"!! Read this quick before it gets deleted ...

      PatrickLlewellynThomas - 2012-11-22 11:33

      @ jack.blacking.56 Just because it "happens all over the world" does not mean we need to accept this type of behavior here in SA. This is more worrying then you think! The next generation is going to be more violent then the current generation. Unless we do something about it. Imagine that was your kid that was either holding the gun or being shot

      Msika - 2012-11-22 11:35

      If I were at the same school, I would be relieved too.

      nkosinathi.maseko.39 - 2012-11-22 13:09

      Emblematic of (Ph)anton. Next time, please ensure that you do (just) a bit of some research before you contaminate our thoughts and intelligence with your stupid, extrenous and 'unreasoned' reasons behind this misfortune. This is an observable fact/phenomenon(verskynsel), and I trust that you are breeding same in your household. Not that I care anyway....

      jeremy002 - 2012-11-22 14:24

      In my days at school bullies never lasted very long. We sorted them out. I once retailated against a bully sitting behind me in class, and klapped him that his lip bled. We both ended up in the Deputy Head's office and he sorted us both out quickly. That bully learned respect and we became mates. On another occasion it happened on the bus, but the guy was much bigger than me, so at the fight after we got off the bus I got clobbered, but the bully respected me for it and we also became mates. If you couldn't sort the bullies out you took it higher, and 4 or 6 of the best with a cane accross the backside usually sorted matters out. Now there is no real discipline so we are creating monsters who will be the adults of tomorrow, thanks to idiot bleeding heart liberals.

      michal.mierzwa - 2012-11-22 17:40

      What goes around, comes around... finally

      merven.halo - 2012-11-23 08:17

      As hard as I try, I just can not feel sorry for the bully. On the other hand, every bullying kid got a a tale of a abusive / molesting father, mother , uncle etc or some reason for his/her behaviour somewhere.

      clive.wannenburg - 2012-11-23 11:10

      I see the biggest problem being that the Child shoot was a 19 year old bully in Grade 10 (STD 8), he was not there to learn and will intimidate the others.

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-22 08:49

    Now a kids life is in ruins because of that low life and the schools refusal to take action against an obvious problem child. Let the kid involved get the same magistrate that showed compassion for the other kid last week.

      p.borchard - 2012-11-22 08:56

      How old was the bully?

      alan.jerrold - 2012-11-22 09:04

      I agree. Bullying is horrendous to a child, and there is little that seems to be done about it. Murder is wrong, that goes without saying, but it shows how desperate kids become when they are continually tormented by bullies.

      Jeremy - 2012-11-22 09:42

      I was bullied at school in UK to the point where I would miss classes I knew the bullies would be in. I wasn't the only one to be bullied - and I was at a good grammar school - but it was accepted as normal. You used your intelligence, learnt a bit of self-defence, formed alliances - and got on with life. I hated the guys concerned, but it never crossed my mind to stab or shoot them - and, as far as I;m aware, the bullying hasn't had any long-term effect on my life.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-11-22 09:45

      @PB probably 23 !

      zimbobwe.mugabe - 2012-11-22 11:17

      @jeremy thorpe did you have your lunch, cellphone, school bag, shoes, shirt taken by the bully. Go read this sad story about this boy again and compare...

      tw2066 - 2012-11-22 14:57

      My son was thrown into car by a bully, coincidently also Ndlovu by name. This kid bullied all the younger kids. Tried to reason with his father, who pulled the race card, ended up smacking both father and son. Two days later the kid left the school. Such is our society.

      jmlongwe - 2012-11-22 20:34

      Blame the kid for a system that failed him, when he decides to take action himself thats when the system wants to work against him? fail fail fail. Seems the entire school knew this kid was a big problem, how could the teachers not know? Let this kid go.

      khotsiaphindu.nndwambi - 2012-11-23 11:50

      I almost did the same my self some 20 years back because of some low life scum. I'm now doing well with my life imagine if I stabbed the guy thanks to my fomer classmates who stopped me.

  • Mazwi Biyase - 2012-11-22 08:51

    bully or not the law still need to apply, I just hope they don't give him 25years that will be a bit hash

      willem.leroux.75 - 2012-11-22 09:00

      @ Mazwi, you are right BUT if the law was applied in the first place on behalf of the kids that were terrorized by this bully, this could have been prevented maybe? The law was not there for them in the first place and this is a common phenomena at schools. That is not fair or justice either. The schools have a responsibility to address something like this. Sounds like there was some attempt, but it failed both the kids that were terrorized by this bully as well as the bully!

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-22 09:11

      Yes the law must apply but mitigating factors also need to be looked at, this poor child was probably at his tithers end.He obviuosly felt he had no choice.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-11-22 09:12

      It is a difficult one this, but the law needs to apply as you say. My personal feeling is to make this guy a cop and give him good guidance and training, specialising in sorting out bullies in schools, without killing them. The guy got guts, even if he used it a bit unappropriate this time. He does need some serious "don't do that again" treatment, but he surely do not deserve to be stuffed in jail for 25 years. I get the idea that he removed a future criminal element from society before he could do more serious damage. Truly a difficult one this.

      Spiral - 2012-11-22 09:16

      The thumbs down on your comment says it all...

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-22 11:33

      I would love to see this boy exonerated - you will then suddenly see a massive drop in bullying in school!

      arie.vdplaats.3 - 2012-11-22 17:35

      @ Willem le Roux, Do you agree that a case of "effective self defense" be made out in this case

      Billy - 2012-11-23 11:03

      if you are grown up, similar behavour is called harrasment and is punishable by law, how strange that its brushed off as bullying if you are a few years younger

      magda.harmse - 2012-11-23 13:59

      The law should run its course... No matter what IT doesn't give you the rigth to kill...

  • mark.singh.9889 - 2012-11-22 08:52

    The school had been working with the boys grandmother to resolve the boys problems but the mother was unaware of this. She simply saw him as a boy who played computer games. Poor parenting

      estelle.c.smit - 2012-11-22 09:03

      I think the reporting is confusing. The school are working with the deceased boy's grandmother as they were aware of the bullying and were trying to resolve it. The mother refering to the computer games is not the mother of the deceased.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-11-22 09:03

      Mark, I think the boy who pulled the trigger was the one playing the PC games, and the grandmother was the bully's grandmother. You have to read between the lines on News24, carefully. I can be wrong also.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-22 09:04

      I think you have the story mixed up. The School was dealing with the bully's grandmother. The kid who shot the bully was a quiet kid who like playing computer games, according to his mother.

      benita.debeer.58 - 2012-11-22 09:12

      You are confused Mark. The school had been working with the bully's grandmother, not the boy who committed the crime! If the journalist who wrote this piece would be more clear, it will also help. But........I have a lot of sympathy for this boy who couldn't take the bullying anymore. Yes, shooting someone for bullying you is not the answer, but maybe no one wanted to listen to him when he reported the issue. I agree, the school has to take some blame for this tragedy too. But as we know by now, they will just blame the poor kid for everything, and he will have to pay the price unfortunately. I also want to urge parents to keep healthy contact with your kids and teens, as this could have been prevented if there were good communication between him and his parents. When will people start listening to the outcry of their kids? Bullying is not a joke, and those who thought it is, are sick! I suggest the mother gets the best lawyer and nail the system including the school for not doing something to protect our children.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-22 09:59

      The Bully's mother was interviewed on some radio station this morning and she feels that if her child was a bully she would have picked it up or someone within the community would have said something. Sometimes parents need to understand that children dont really act the same around them as they do at school or around other kids, I'm sure Jack theRipper's parents also once thought he was a saint.

      arie.vdplaats.3 - 2012-11-22 17:38

      The bully was probably playing some computer game with intense violance as the essence of the game. Ag shame - he was only playing computer games !!!

      Rational100 - 2012-11-22 20:19

      Sounds familiar.....E-tolling is bullying of one group of adults by another group for selfish gain!

      mike.bundy.73 - 2012-11-23 06:54

      I think that many of you have misunderstood Mark's comment. The mother obviously does not communicate well with her child as he told her nothing of his difficulties at school. And he took her gun without her knowledge and took it to school! Where did she (illegally) leave it unattended so that he had access to it? She is a DREADFUL parent and should be fired from the police and sterilised.

  • bdanney - 2012-11-22 08:54

    Well that is just great. The education department and the SAPS need to put in a call line where pupils can report bully's. These kids should be removed and their behaviour addressed before they are able to return to school.

      benita.debeer.58 - 2012-11-22 09:20

      Fantastic!! This is just an awesome idea! Then we can educate our children to stand their ground against crime in any form and they can protect themselves in a much better way. If the dept of education does not want to listen to us, we can just get the public protector to step in. I have to faith in our education department anyway, because they never take responsibility and they don't even do what is expected of them.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-22 09:39

      Good idea BUT SAPS cannot handle what is already on their plate let alone another couple of hundred bullies at various schools.

      Msika - 2012-11-22 11:38

      It's one thing to set up a call line and another to followup on calls recieved...If they cannot respond to calls made on the 10111 line it's gonna be a mission to respond to calls of this nature.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-11-22 12:00

      I am tired of people criticising our SAP. Gosh! Msika, have u ever tried calling 10111? The problems at the SAP isnt the police you see everyday, its the administration of the SAP. Anyway, awesome idea TomCat. That could work.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-11-22 12:21

      Very good idea, TomCat. I was bullied at school. My eldest son was bullied at school. A parent dare not do anything about it as the head usually takes it as the norm and the bullying intensifies. In my son's case one of the bullies kicked him and broke his thumb - then all hell was let loose and the Head HAD to do something....he made the bullies my son's guardians and held them responsible for any further mayhem. Worked like a charm!!!

      connie.baiao - 2012-11-22 15:11

      TomCat and others ... yes, a fab idea! I am currently involved in something like this as my 11 year old was beaten up by 5 boys two weeks ago and sustained physical injuries. There are avenues to follow other than the Education Dept (as they are completely useless with regards to bullying!!). Schools hands are tied with regards to expulsion as the Dept won't allow them to expel kids for this behaviour. We have taken the criminal route and laid assault charges against the culprits. They will be arrested and tried in a juvenile court and worst case scenario, be sent to a reform school. I have to admit that the SAPS have been on the ball with our case and take it very seriously. The officer I dealt with initially told me that bullying is seen as a very serious offence nowadays due to the amounts of stabbings at schools, suicides as a result of being bullied, etc Parents and kids just have to take the step and go to the SAPS ... without that, nothing will be done. If the schools and Education Dept won't do anything, then go criminal and lay those charges!!

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-11-22 15:34

      When bullying involves theft, physical abuse and/or sexual harrassment it is a case for the police. You would not tolerate this kind of behaviour from an adult so you should not from a teenager. These bullies are the criminals of the future so the earlier you deal with them the better.

      Msika - 2012-11-23 07:43

      @katleho.mdlalose, yep I tried dialling 10111. Thugs broke into my house while I was sleeping and stole some appliances and stuff. I dialled 10111 and was put on hold for almost 45 mins. After reporting the incident, your useless SAPS came to my house around 14:00 the next day, to take a statement and some finger prints. When in danger, I won't waste time and call 10111, I'll rather call a family/friend or naighbour to come and help me. The only time I call the cops or go to a police station is when I have to register claims with insurance companies, certifying docs, etc.

  • nadia.eksteen.1 - 2012-11-22 08:58

    Society should really ask themselves where is our youth heading, when stating words like that?? There is no respect or discipline!

      benita.debeer.58 - 2012-11-22 09:26

      Maybe you have a point, but have you ever been a victum of bullying? I have been. And it was verbal bullying, but I had no faith in my teachers or my parents to help me or protect me against it. In my own house we do not allow our kids to be rude or to call each other degrading names or to make fun of each other, simply because we know kids can end up with a bad self esteem and low self value. Teach your children not to allow others to do that to them and teach them not to bully other children ever. It sure is part of discipline in the home, and we need the schools to take our hand in it.

      mikel.kiparski - 2012-11-22 09:56

      i was bullied at school many years ago,later in life i got my own back the one that used to squirt me with ink asked me for a job ,and those that used to look on ,some wanted to do business with me, i never did .YOU BETTER BEHAVE YOURSELF OR wonder why life is so sad for you,i still want to find the one that used to hit me ,i think he might still be in ANGOLA

  • tgif.wtfaw - 2012-11-22 09:02

    I still fantasize about killing my high school bully and I left school in 1981 , I can see how this kid was driven to kill this bully

      mikel.kiparski - 2012-11-22 09:58

      I THINK A LOT OF US DO,,,,but worse is those that looked on... even prefects.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-22 10:40

      So do I but in those days the hangmans noose awaited you. It stopped me from committing murder.

      irma.white.9 - 2012-11-22 12:08

      I think it's better to be the better person... why hold on to something that happened so long ago? Why don't you just MOVE ON and be happier for it?

      bonge.mpofu - 2012-11-22 13:54

      More than 10 years ago, i used to teach at a rural school. Bullies would beat up other kids in the bushes along the way from school. I noticed that some kids skipped class becoz of this. Some of them confided in me. From then, I would beat up any bully who beat up other children. It worked, the bullying stopped. The community was cooperative back then.

  • bontle.kgosi.5 - 2012-11-22 09:05

    Bullying at schools it's a serious problem. Parents of bullies are usually aware of their kid's behaviour yet they often choose to do nothing about it. It is usually left to the teachers to sort it out. I feel for the teachers who have of late are expected to be, psychologists, Doctors, social workers and nannies all in one because some parents have somehow given up on their children. Discipline at home is a must....!

      mikel.kiparski - 2012-11-22 10:00

      the real problem is those that look on and do nothing,bullies feed on that.

  • flysouth - 2012-11-22 09:07

    This is all very well, the way that the media is reporting this story. What is done is done, and the kid who shot the bully will be dealt with appropriately. As a minor he will not be jailed etc. My concern is that not one story I have seen appears to appreciate the seriousness of the mother's offence. Under the Firearms Control Act she is guilty of a crime of negligence which carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in jail! Has anything been done to address this matter I wonder?

      flysouth - 2012-11-22 12:36

      Dear me - I did not pick up that the shooter is 18 years of age - thus he is an adult and subject to the full weight of the law. Therefore his actions can be seen as nothing less than taking the law into his own hands to punish another person who committed a criminal action against him. No difference if I were to take my gun and shoot dead someone who smacked me around, or someone who stole from me! No sympathy is due to the so-called 'schoolkid' shooter who should have been finished with secondary schooling some time ago.

  • craig.lowe.3572 - 2012-11-22 09:07

    "The education department had been aware of the problems and had been working with his grandmother to solve them" 1. They have no idea what the word work means. 2. The success of the "work" supports point 1. If they knew of the issue and this is as a result of the "intervention" then they should be held accountable !

  • Dane.Billionaire.Prinsloo - 2012-11-22 09:08

    My question is why the hell were they working with the child's grandmother? The grandmother wasn't bullying anyone and grabbing other kids privates. Its the stupidity of the law enforcement that leads people to take matters into their own hands. I say blame the school and the social workers who didn't address the actual problem which was the bully himself.

      xoliswa.mbayise - 2012-11-22 10:02

      Exactly

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-22 10:29

      He must have been a hell of guy to make people feel relieved at his demise.

      Rational100 - 2012-11-22 20:23

      Do you think it's possible to resolve bullying in a society where bully's outnumber social workers?

  • amanda.p.barratt - 2012-11-22 09:10

    What a terribly sad society we live in, where we have to turn to a such measures to get rid of a problem, and are relieved a child is dead because of his behaviour. I cannot understand how the adults around these poor children allowed the situation to get to this stage.

      peter.t.solomon - 2012-11-22 09:25

      Amanda.p, yours is the best comment of this article. Very well said.

      thabani.dube.988 - 2012-11-22 09:29

      Amanda these school kids have more rights than teachers. Someone somewhere is regretting the day they got rid of corporal punishment. Now there is no mechanism to tackle juvenile deliquence both at school and at home.

      Msika - 2012-11-22 11:49

      Well, when I was in primary school in the early 90's there was corporal punishment, but I had to endure years of being bullied?

  • wiseman.phakathi.5 - 2012-11-22 09:10

    What an awful way 2 send a massage to bullies. I don't condone d shooter's actions bt I'm sure the bullies got d massage loud n clear. Hello, wear purple day against bullying was jst d othr day.

  • stella.hlophe - 2012-11-22 09:28

    The response from the bully's family reveals a lot about what type of upbringing this boy had. His twocousins who lived with him are in shock at the news that the boy was a problem at school. This is despite the fact that the boy had been transfered to this school after being kicked of another school because of his behaviour. And his mother lives in a nearby township

      stella.hlophe - 2012-11-22 09:42

      Sorry about the fragmented comment. I seem to be unable to post the whole thing. So, this boy had an absent father

  • dragonfire47 - 2012-11-22 09:37

    Give the lad a quad bells

      Msika - 2012-11-22 11:51

      Yep!! and while at it, get him a good lawyer to get him out of this mess.

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-22 09:38

    Bullies must conform or die...

  • zelda.dickson - 2012-11-22 09:39

    Under these circumstances he should be let off and just warned. Maybe do a stint of community service. Clearly was the last straw.

  • kitty.vanjaarsveld - 2012-11-22 09:39

    If the department was aware of this boys problem, why did it took them so long to do something about it, clearly his grandmother did'nt help. Time that departments take action on their own.

      Msika - 2012-11-22 11:53

      Nothing suprising there...they are just doing things the cANCer way. wait until somebody is killed before taking necessary steps, or wait until they protest before improving their service delivery.

  • thoka.mphoka - 2012-11-22 09:41

    i guess if you were never in that setuation you can say anything you like isn't it. Jammer my Laitie

  • rakgoathe.matlala - 2012-11-22 09:41

    Coporal punishment should be reintroduced to primary and high schools, otherwise we will forever have these unnesesary incidents. We were punished when we did wrong in our time, and we grew up to be responsible adults.

      Msika - 2012-11-22 11:54

      Well, when I was in primary school in the early 90's there was corporal punishment, but I had to endure years of being bullied?

      mazz.ngetu - 2012-11-22 12:36

      I've only been out of school for three years, we had corporal punishment but there were still students that the teachers feared, some of them will even follow you outside of school past school hours for payback if you reported them.

  • diane.edwards.1048 - 2012-11-22 09:42

    Bullying is rife in the schools and the Department of Education will not equip the Headmasters to expel these little sh*ts who cause mayhem and harm to other pupils. Most schools do not actually care, and those who do are relying on the Parents to deal with these culprits as our great DOE is doing sweet nothing!!!!!!

  • rudzanimulaudzi.mulaudzi - 2012-11-22 09:43

    Thats what children learn from the computer games if something is blocking u to go to the next stage, u eliminate it for u to proceed. What if the bully child kill an innocent child what where we going to say.

  • georgi.mcguire - 2012-11-22 09:44

    This is sad all round

  • louise.dutoit1 - 2012-11-22 09:49

    Bullies never know what real damage they are doing to their "victims" I was bullied in school, till this day, I am scared of anything and everything! It has really impacted me so badly that I can't get a proper job and it's effecting my relationship! Schools need to take bullying more serious!!!!

      mikel.kiparski - 2012-11-22 10:14

      i was lucky it made me stronger,but i have lost my sympathetic side.so it did do damage.

  • frans.delport - 2012-11-22 09:52

    Really think parents should stop teaching their babies to be pissies and teach them how to moer back!

  • clivegoss - 2012-11-22 09:52

    With his "grandmother?" What in God's name is this dead jerks poor grandma got to do with his clearly unacceptable behaviour ? Dicipline has collapsed and the department of ????(cant be education) must take full responsibility for that.

  • francois.grobler - 2012-11-22 09:59

    I Often feel that there is no justice for kids As a adult you can get a restraining order and press charges, action can be taken and no one judges you. Kids simply don't have this kind of protection. They are left on their own - we cannot be surprised when a child takes matters in to his own hands and solves a huge problem on his own. I hope he gets the help he needs to build a future for him self.

  • thaluki.malema - 2012-11-22 10:01

    Next illogical thing to do - Blame apartheid.

      Billy - 2012-11-23 11:06

      lol

  • afrikeni - 2012-11-22 10:02

    Why do news agencies & editors cry about government censorship & the Info bill? Can News24 explain why the story of incompetent pilot who reportedly has wrecked an Airforce plan NOT OPEN FOR COMMENTS. Is this not censorship?

  • firstseed.mbeva - 2012-11-22 10:12

    Monster in the making's internship elapsed

  • darren.peach - 2012-11-22 10:13

    A Key point to take note of, The boy was living with his Grandma so maybe he did not have a strong father figure, Bullying is not a right of passage, Its a human rights violation....

  • hanneliemaartens.weitsz - 2012-11-22 10:17

    Often bullys have problems at home. They carry this baggage to school and act out there. These kids need to be councelled so that the root of the problem can be addressed. If the child doesnt stop the bullying and councelling doesnt help, he / she need to be expelled!!

  • mbonyathi - 2012-11-22 10:27

    bullying is bad, i for one was a victim of it NOT good at ALL.. my qn is whats the main cause of bullying?

  • caine.abel.75 - 2012-11-22 10:28

    The fat cats in government to blame for these unrully kids .....no corporal punishment bs

      khumo.lebone - 2012-11-22 11:26

      Could we please stop dragging the government into every facet of our dysfunctional society. This would be to presume that no bullying ever happened before the present government were in power. Let's not think through our ar#ses for a change and tackle the problem at hand.

      Msika - 2012-11-22 12:01

      Well, when I was in primary school in the early 90's there was corporal punishment, but I had to endure years of being bullied?

  • khumo.lebone - 2012-11-22 10:34

    Isn't bullyism as old as humanity itself?? It would totally disingenuous to even link it with government or the country's faltering standards. I myself was bullied in the early 80s to early 90s during my school days. It is more a matter of those with larger than life egos feasting on those they perceive to be weaklings.

      Duncan Colter - 2012-11-22 10:41

      Perhaps, but if the only way out is seen at the barrel of a gun something is SERIOUSLY off! I was bullied too, stood up to them and that was that.

  • niel.phillips.7 - 2012-11-22 10:49

    in the old days he would have been taken to one side and sjambokked - now its all talk

  • marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-11-22 10:58

    What happened to the 'Correctional schools' that used to deal with bullies and other extreme discipline problems?

  • henry.vanderburpenfart - 2012-11-22 11:02

    Before we all jump on the bandwagon of blaming society, apartheid, violent video games, the state of SA...or whatever other irrational emotional response you may have to this, just consider that this could have happened anywhere in the world.

  • bob.moodley.9 - 2012-11-22 11:03

    this is sad, wonder what was going on in this kids mind to do this. How did he get the gun out of locked safe ????

  • edwin.juzee1 - 2012-11-22 11:07

    when you are not intersted in your childs schooling and activities you end up have situations like this... if you know what your child is up too during the day... even if its in the location you must have contact with your childs teacher to know whats the progress/problems with your child in school. parents STOP SENDING YOUR CHILD TO SCHOOL AND HOPE FOR THE BEST... YOUR COULD BE A BULLY OR YOUR CHILD COULD BE BULLIED... dont just agree with me Do it... #JuZeesaidit

  • Jacques - 2012-11-22 11:13

    Nip them in the bud... How tragic is it that that expression these days mean 'pop a cap in their faces'?

  • bernice.thompson.77 - 2012-11-22 11:15

    Bullying is such a serious problem world wide, and yet it still not taken seriously. This issue has to be taken more seriously and confronted head on. Children are resorting to murdering someone because of bullying rather then talking to the right people. The right people are obviously not listening to the cries of these children being bullied, therefore they resort to other ways of eliminating the problem SO SAD.

  • Msika - 2012-11-22 11:31

    If I were at the same scholl, I would be relief too.

  • PatrickLlewellynThomas - 2012-11-22 11:32

    @ jack.blacking.56 Just because it "happens all over the world" does not mean we need to accept this type of behavior here in SA. This is more worrying then you think! The next generation is going to be more violent then the current generation. Unless we do something about it. Imagine that was your kid that was either holding the gun or being shot

      lesleyann.akeroyd - 2012-11-22 12:35

      I agree to your comment Patrick, just a pity so few see that this is a huge worry for our future generation, From a worried Mom..Musina

  • Msika - 2012-11-22 11:35

    If I were at the same school, I would be relieved too.

  • zimbobwe.mugabe - 2012-11-22 11:51

    News24 with half-news. This is what really drove this boy to shoot and kill: "On Monday afternoon, a Grade 11 pupil came home angry and humiliated. The 18-year-old was bare-chested and barefoot. His school bag and cellphone were gone. He was in tears as he entered his mother’s home in Vosloorus, Ekurhuleni. He had fallen victim to a gang who intimidated his school, Phineas Xulu Secondary School. They’d chased him after the final bell, pelted him with stones until he stopped and then robbed him of everything except his pants." This was not bullying it was a criminal act and the boy had a right to protect himself. The bully can go rot in hell actually I nearly did the same after an older boy bullied my daughter.

      John - 2012-11-22 14:08

      This was not bullying! It was robbery, assault with intent to do grevious bodily harm, crimen injuria. All of which are crimes. The mates were accomplices to these crimes and should be charged and sued for damages.

  • Msika - 2012-11-22 11:57

    Boy must have got the message loud and clear from former police commisioner Bheki Cele, to "shoot to kill".

  • irma.white.9 - 2012-11-22 12:03

    What on EARTH is wrong with you people, celebrating the death of such a young child? You are adults, shame on you for not thinking further than your noses and thinking everything is as clear as black and white! Bullies often come from troubled homes and are quite possibly very unhappy- you should know better than to just assume bullies are all just a$$holes. They mention that the school was in talks with the boys grandmother- where are his parents? What were the circumstances surrounding this kid? The bully may have been an extremely unhappy person, and instead of being concerned as to WHY he was a bully, you are all just grateful he is dead? You didn't even know him yet you judge him so badly. Disgusting.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-11-22 12:57

      I am not one of those who are celebrating his demise and neither am I condoning what the other kid did, but I really hate the apologists who lectures us that some-one is committing crimes because of the unhappy family and blah blah blah! How many of us are from those kind of families yet we worked hard and even put ourselves to university something our families couldn't afford? As a person who knows the law in particular concerning firearms I feel pity for the mother of the child who defended himself with her firearm because after everything has been said and done there will be consequences to her.

      irma.white.9 - 2012-11-22 15:28

      Siphom, I do agree with you, but I come from an EXTREMELY unhappy home, such as that my mother was hospitalised for a nervous breakdown. I was bullied at school to the extent that the kids were using my blazer to put their USED condoms in my pockets without my noticing, etc. Heck, I was even invited over to someones house (thinking they were a friend), only to find out that it was a whole funny joke to them to get me over to dinner- with their dog! NEVER did I think, "let me get my dad's gun and shoot them". I never bullied anyone myself, but don't think I never had to deal with it either. An unhappy home IS relevant- just look at that case recently where the judge was lenient when sentencing a guy who had killed his mother because she never did anything when he told her he was sexually abused. And think- if the bullied boy had TOLD his mother (who is a cop, she has the resources to assist him) then this whole thing could have been avoided and the bullied boy wouldn't have to go through what he is going through now, and the bully could have gotten help which he may have needed. Just remember, the bully was probably about 16 or 17 years old, still a child compared to us.

  • patsy.smith.125 - 2012-11-22 12:06

    Working with the parents???????????? Fat lot of good that'll do! He either follows their example, or he bullies them too.. What happened to good old-fashioned discipline? Down the toilet like almost everything else

  • Msika - 2012-11-22 12:09

    I am bullied by the Govt E-Toll, petrol price forever increases, my tax money being wasted in Nkadla,etc. Maybe should also get a pistol and take out the chief bully Zoomer.