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R480m clocking-in system for teachers

2013-02-14 09:08

Johannesburg - The education department plans to spend R480m on a biometric clocking-in system to ensure that teachers are at work, Beeld reported on Thursday.

The system, which could be introduced at about 24 000 public schools, would ensure teachers arrived on time for work and spent the requisite number of hours on the job, Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga said.

She announced the plan last week, during a visit to the Pholoshong Primary School in KwaZulu-Natal.

Her spokesperson, Panyaza Lesufi, said the old system, where teachers simply signed in, was no longer effective.

"We've had incidents where teachers have signed in on behalf of others or don't show up for work, then say they forgot to sign. Furthermore, sending the old register from the school to the department's offices is a hassle."

With the biometric system, teachers' fingerprints would be scanned, and the data connected to other systems, such as the public service salary system.

Lesufi said it would deduct money from teachers' salaries if they did not supply a valid reason for their absenteeism.

Chris Klopper, chief executive of the SA Teachers' Union, labelled the project an attempt to treat the "symptoms of a diseased education system, rather than the causes".

Comments
  • allan.mccabe - 2013-02-14 09:15

    Would love to see who gets the tender for this 1.

      francois.smith.7 - 2013-02-14 19:58

      What does the headmaster do? You need to check him and have him check his or her staff.

      wayne.vandriel - 2013-02-14 21:16

      Can I have it? I'm sure I can find something on Google on how to do it....

      Anton Marshall - 2013-02-26 16:15

      cracking comment Allan :)

  • wvongruning - 2013-02-14 09:15

    I have the greatest respect for some of the teachers I've had when I was in school. There are truly some life-changing people out there. But for the others, those that hate children and don't want to be there: Clocking in might force them to be there, but how do we get them to become better teachers, to become teachers that change lives for the better.

  • mike.clery - 2013-02-14 09:15

    Money well spent IF it works, is used properly and disciplinary action is taken against offenders.

  • Dennis - 2013-02-14 09:18

    And what will the decoyed headmasters be doing when a system is doing there job. Bring back inspectors.

  • lunghile.ndleve - 2013-02-14 09:26

    What the hell is wrong with our education department!!! How about you identify teachers who actually go to work and actually add value to our youths education, pay then more an worry about the others later. They can clock into work all you want but if they don't want to teach, they won't

  • calvin.mbhele - 2013-02-14 09:28

    Finally ma you make sense

  • mark.booysen - 2013-02-14 09:32

    Let the pilfering begin.!

  • trevor.mashilo - 2013-02-14 09:36

    Another GAUTENGONLINE its a waste of money and I think that they'll b eyeing for the Tender.

  • luzukotosh - 2013-02-14 09:37

    another waste of money. Angie #SMH

  • tshivhombelaf - 2013-02-14 09:38

    And who is the service provider?

  • Adrian van der Merwe - 2013-02-14 09:42

    The system will be sabotaged!

  • bless.boswell - 2013-02-14 09:45

    This is daft. That amounts to about R20m per school. Why not employ a single person at each school to track and submit this information? This person could also perform a quality check on the teachers themselves. This would provide thousands of much needed jobs and save a huge amount of money. Come on guys ...

      hein.wyk - 2013-02-14 09:55

      Its 24000 schools not 24 its R20 000 per school

      Peter Zylstra - 2013-02-14 10:11

      Good idea but it will no doubt be an AA appointee......enough said!

      bless.boswell - 2013-02-14 11:42

      Please forgive my maths ... Seemed like a good idea.

  • cecil.wright.142 - 2013-02-14 09:53

    This is just ridiculous. Basic services are falling apart and they want to spend this amount of money. Who gets the tender and who gets paid a bribe for this. Are they now also going to implement this system in all state owned enterprises and government as well to make sure that they all go to work. Why not install CCTV to monitor if these people are actually working?

  • duduzile.dunicz - 2013-02-14 09:58

    Do it! You will soon see that good teachers work much longer than the required hours. When you add up the coaching, extra catch up lessons, Counselling, paper work, marking and social work that we do then maybe you will see why the profession deserves more respect.

  • johann.rossouw.92 - 2013-02-14 10:02

    How about taking that 480mil, buying us some furniture, employing more teachers to reduce the amount of learners per class and giving us (the teachers!) a decent salary?? Guess that will interfere with whom ever pocket is goung to be filled up....

  • Michael Hawthorne - 2013-02-14 10:12

    Just more proof why politicians shouldnt be allowed to govern a country. Over R1480 000 000 that we now of since 2012 has been spent recklessly! Yet there is no water in Kimberley, no justice for woman, no homes for the poor...

  • mohlaume.mamabolo.5 - 2013-02-14 10:13

    We as the public we complain that our kids are not taught. We complain about the lack of teachers and that they are always absent from work. When the department wants to introduce a machanism that will ensure that altleast teachers are at school we complain about the money being spend. My question is what do we want? Teachers at school doing what they are paid to do or worry about who will get the tender?

      alec.viljoen.1 - 2013-02-14 18:27

      nicely put. If it works out at R20k per school and managed, it will be money very well spent.

      georgi.mcguire - 2013-02-15 08:42

      @mohlaume. I understand what your point is and agree with the first part, but the fact of the matter is that this system still needs to be managed and maintained, and if these schools have so little discipline in place as the system is set to fail. They need to go back to basics and sort the original problem out. We need teachers that want to teach, not teachers that are forced to teach or just do it because it brings in a wage. We need Headmasters that enforce discipline on these teachers to make sure that they do their jobs and that includes arriving for work. That is part of their job anyway, why do we have to spend so much on making sure they perform.

      Napovic Napos - 2013-03-05 17:14

      the system only monitors the the presence at work, not perfomance, BCEA and other labour acts have provitions on how to deal with absentiseem at work, which are more affordable. we have principals and HODs at school that can monitor, that money can be spent to aleviate crowding in classrooms

  • tusani.masoka - 2013-02-14 10:32

    Yes bring it on. Maybe u will realize that some teachers put up more hours after school. Maybe it abwt time they get paid 4 overtime.

      Napovic Napos - 2013-03-05 17:21

      overtime is not a necessity at work when you are doing public service, and overtime that no guarantee results, rather pay performance bonus for teacher who give good results, overtime is for production type based, not educational Tusani, athough i'm also yet to see what motivation is given to teachers who perform

  • solomon.shingange.9 - 2013-02-14 10:33

    Do as you please. But some of us shall stop teaching on Saturdays and holidays and shall work the normal working hours instead of teaching morning and afternoon classes. Yeah, because we are remunerated with peanuts while money is overspent on useless material.

      njabulo.nhlabathi.1 - 2013-02-14 11:24

      Why would this bother you if you were doing your job? Almost every other work place has a similar system.

      mdandrease - 2013-02-14 11:29

      Njabulo its ridiculous Teachers are not Paid overtime and mind you overcrowded schools with no Equipment and we spend 480 million on a stupid monitoring system its ridiculous. As a fomer temporary teacher its an insult

      alec.viljoen.1 - 2013-02-14 18:30

      So the reports of teachers not showing up are wrong? YOU might be one of the decent teachers, many out there are taking the piss - wouldn't it be nice to know that now THEY have to start putting in the hours?

  • daan.phalaborwa - 2013-02-14 10:35

    Sounds like a brilliant idea to me.

  • Bongeka - 2013-02-14 10:38

    The idea is good. But the amount of money involved that's gonna be given out on tenders, makes me shiver. But in three words I can some up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. So let them enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Liz Smith - 2013-02-14 10:43

    You cannot replace good management (heads of school, etc.) with an information system and hope the problem will go away. This system says we don't trust the school mgt or the teachers to do their jobs. An insult to the majority of teachers who try to do their jobs. Sort out the poor performers at the school level but don't punish the innocent!

  • jonny.mohoje - 2013-02-14 11:21

    good initiative but they should have included alcohol testing as well.

  • lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2013-02-14 11:23

    Spending money on clocking system when there are no desks, some still taught under tree is just absurd. The bottom line is educators need courageous head masters and firm governing body who are supported by the education department to deal with discipline.

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2013-02-14 11:45

    Who is going to make sure they stay at school after clocking in?

  • papudis - 2013-02-14 13:17

    Is so ebarasing cos some schools in Limpopo like Moruleng high dosnt ve books nd others like Mohlakaneng, Masedibu etc don't ve science books bt brain washed department dosnt care bot learners future in loctions nd rural schools whras theirs r atending in Private schools

  • Suzanne Viljoen - 2013-02-14 13:31

    Teachers that really work should not be embarrassed! Why? I hope they clock in at the gate. Only one gate should be used! The others locked. Still does not say lazy teachers will work.

  • ivan.robberts - 2013-02-14 20:35

    480 million rand to make sure,educated grown ups,show up for work,while thousands are jobless.....talk about abuse.

  • georgi.mcguire - 2013-02-14 20:43

    Biometric Systems need to be maintained. This is going to be a huge waste of money. In six months’ time they will be broken and never repaired.

  • bhekisd - 2013-02-14 20:58

    And how is such an expensive clocking system going to improve the education system? Address the root cause and stop throwing money at tenderpreneurs. Ops! The plan is to benefit some polotically affiliated crook somewhere!

  • prakash.singh.169 - 2013-02-14 21:35

    Tenders will go to: Thoshan Panday, Roy Moodley, Vivian Reddy and Gupta's.

  • jason.marshall.1804 - 2013-02-14 21:59

    What a discrace that more Tax money gets spent becuase teachers are too lazy to perform their duties. What culture breeds this kind of behaviour! It is not something SA can be proud of!! We need to take strong action (emmediate dismissal) against these individuals. Unfortunately the fingerprint readers can only supply the data....not so sure the education department is going to take 10 minutes out of their KFC visits to enforce it..

  • TrueBlue - 2013-02-14 22:39

    It will make no difference. The big question is: how long will they stay at the school after they have clocked in? In some areas even the principal has a spaza shop running from home, and he employs his teachers to run it.

  • mrstrydom.ashley - 2013-02-15 07:06

    Why are all schools painted with the same tar brush? There are many brilliant schools with brilliant teachers who do not need to be forced to go to work. A clock in system is not going to fix a useless Department of Education. I know why the Government does not build more schools; they can’t manage the existing schools.

  • Roshan Ramdial - 2013-02-26 17:17

    i somebody is sick he is sick.how will this cure being absent.if iam sick i will not go.most teachers are at an age where they are vunerable to many illnesses.dont waste taxpayers money.there are ways that this sysytem can be hacked,beaten so just dont waste money.

  • Masia Masia - 2013-02-26 23:27

    Another futile expenditure by our government. Another tender. Away with tenders

  • Napovic Napos - 2013-03-05 17:09

    lol, they can clock to work and still spend time at staff room going slow. money going down the drain. spend that money on building extra classroom for crowded schools, build science laboratories for schools without, and add libraries to schools, that system only indicates that you are at work, it does not promote teachers to perform better nor that is show that they teach.

  • Albert Scott - 2013-03-05 17:48

    If you have a responsible headmaster, who have control over his teachers, this situation won't occur. There is no reasons for teachers not to be @ school. If they are absent cos of leave, sick leave or any other reason it should be documented not? Why must a register be sent to the Department offices just refer the leave forms with a covering letter or even better attach leave forms per email and send. Department must then just updated there records!!!!

  • Roy Burger - 2013-03-05 18:14

    Silver Fox You can spend as much as you like on a system but if you don't have the correct people to manage it, you are wasting tax payers money.

  • lydia.benkenstein - 2013-03-08 10:16

    This clocking system works well. You just put your finger on the green light and it picks up your fingerprint, Even says "thank you!" Before long it will pay for itself as teachers cant just come and go as they wish. We have it at our school.Just depends on the tendering for this device!

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