Ramaphosa offers to testify over Marikana

2012-10-27 22:41

Johannesburg - ANC heavyweight and businessman Cyril Ramaphosa has offered to testify at the Farlam Commission of Inquiry in Marikana.

"I have indicated to the commission that I would be available to provide testimony," Ramaphosa said in a short statement issued on Saturday evening.

"I believe there are a number of issues relevant to the deliberations of the inquiry on which I may be able to make a contribution."

Ramaphosa's role in the events leading up to the shooting of 34 striking Lonmin mineworkers on 16 August was discussed during the commission's hearings this week.

Advocate Dali Mpofu, representing the miners injured and arrested after the shooting, mentioned an e-mail in which Ramaphosa strongly condemned the protests, described them as criminal acts, and suggested "concomitant action".

Mpofu said there were e-mails sent between Lonmin management, government ministers and Ramaphosa.

The commission's brief is to investigate the shooting that left 34 miners dead when police tried to disperse them on 16 August. The workers, who wanted monthly salaries of R12 500, had been carrying knobkerries, pangas, sticks, and iron rods.

  • motho.batho.98 - 2012-10-27 22:48

    Testify what, when a man has made a mistake, he apologises and stop making stories. But since you're man enough, you want to find a way out.

      danie.strydom.7 - 2012-10-27 23:08

      Even if you swear an oath on a stack of Bibles, who would believe a word you say ?

      phuti.donald - 2012-10-28 00:39

      Rama Phosa u'v messed so much and there's nothing you cn do to change it but I'm glad finally karma came back n bit u in the A55

      lownabester - 2012-10-28 06:05

      Whats wrong with Ramaphosa wanting to testify??? He is a brave man, and those e-mails were send by a man that felt like most of us at the time. Cycril is a business man, he is no coward.

      UNITY - 2012-10-28 07:15

      Lonmins mine was politically targeted for strike action because of its links within the ANC...and in the end through its carnage..the workers got what they wanted. Comrades in business need to understand.. Its dangerous to adaopt corporate policy with the masses ahaead of social responsibility...driven by supernormal profits. I'm afraid even with all the revelations of Marikana..the real test was government that lost a firm grip or hold on the matter. Which has set a precedence for future unrest in the country.

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-10-28 08:51

      Action does not necessary mean shooting. We must promote dialogue, lawfulness, and negotiations as ways to resolve our societal problems. Wielding dangerous weapons in public, killing policeman, threatening fellow workers and killing fellow workers clearly meant needed action to be taken, rather than wait or watch miners commit various crimes

      rbphiri - 2012-10-28 15:44

      What people fail to understand is that Cyril Ramaphosa sent the following email, prior to the death of the miners in Marikana. He sent the email to the employers in order for the unrest to be dealt with in a peace manner before it escalated to violence. Now the email has tarnished his image, making it seem as if he was in cahoots with the police to kill the miners. The email was only released now due to political motives and agendas by the butthole anc.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-28 19:56

      Cyril Ramaphosa stated a substantive legal verity - viz 'the strike action is illegal' and as such "concomitant action" was required. I do not know what "concomitant action" is in Pedi, but in English it means.., 'action that follows-, or is concurrent, as a consequence of an arbitrary event (viz the ILLEGAL strike in this case). The attention should rather be on the character called Dali Mpofu, who has close ties with the goon called Julius Malema (i.e. he represented Malema at his disciplinary hearing), who was in turn expelled from the ANC by Cyril Ramaphosa - so GO FIGURE..! Rumors are also rife that one of the greatest demons on earth - Winnie Madikizela Mandela - had an affair with Dali Mpofu in the 1990's (or at least at some point). I suggest Dali Mpofu is in the case with a MASSIVELY loaded agenda and there may in fact be grounds to challenge his motives (legally) and as such remove him from participating in the Inquiry.

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-29 09:00

      I can believe the amount of stupid on New24!!! Ramaphosa is not in any way wrong!!! @Motho@Danie@phuti please get a brain!! And please look up the meaning of "concomitant action". Wow I hate having to read stupid comments on a Monday morning!

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-10-27 22:52

    After testifying he will say '' my intergrity is intact''. Mangaung is around the corner.

      thando.mgqweto - 2012-10-27 23:28

      I agreed with u fully mzwandile

  • guruswiz - 2012-10-27 23:16

    We realised that hard to believe this...because some other people support him that his innocent until proven guilty. I can't wait to hear what happen from this.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-27 23:29

      This dinosauric has-been politician seems to rear his head to add a certain 'panache' to the ANC? ha ha .....really everytime they open their mouths they say something stupid. I used to really like him on the olden days, now he needs to creep back into his golden retirement and fish.

  • edgar.mooi - 2012-10-27 23:24

    I will olso call it criminal act by mine workers no other meaning if people strike and start killing one anada ,,, no ada meaning of dat. Ramaphosa the trueth will set you free ...... When du we call a place crime scene, when du we call a criminal act,,,, dali mpofu nothing wrong to wt u hv said ,,,, if dats dt let it be,,,

  • vusumuzi.zidane - 2012-10-27 23:29

    You better do so.

  • thando.mgqweto - 2012-10-27 23:36

    Im interested to hear how ramaphosa is going to justify the emails to the commission if any justification.Now I understand why there was a political vacum at marikane, the allians.It is selfevidence when general secretary of NUM and his allies defended ramophosa,while ramaphosa declined to comment....

  • mapetsula - 2012-10-27 23:44

    I am just intrested to hear ur unswers Mr

  • Paul Mphap - 2012-10-28 00:30

    no amount of cash buys human life...ramaphosa is a murderer finish & klaar. malema was right about him...i quote *i will kill u & bury u* the reason y he volunteered to donate 2million to the the family of the deceased was his guilty conscience.

      mafetsim - 2012-10-28 09:32

      If u say something n start quoting malema that clearly show how dom n illetrate u are. Bet u didn't go to school hence u say ramaphosa is a murderer n see your miners as Jesus christ in this situation. O dom

  • - 2012-10-28 00:48

    Hi can anyone please tell me what does 'Marikana' mean? Where does the word come from?

  • robert.doyle.712 - 2012-10-28 02:23

    The missing link

      sally.lewitt - 2012-10-28 06:28

      You = The weakest Link

  • hein.helmand - 2012-10-28 05:11

    The workers also carried firearms.

      alvin.ntsethe - 2012-10-28 09:00

      did you see a firearm in the scene? to all articles i've come across wth guns were not mentioned, are you trying 2 justify something by editting the story, if yes for wht reason???

      John - 2012-10-28 22:17

      So what!! I have carried a firearm since 1973 and have never killed anyone!!

      mshiniboys - 2012-10-29 09:12

      oh idiotic one.

  • Maketa Khayalakhe Khekhe - 2012-10-28 06:09

    i wonder the finding of this commission could lead to imprisonment not just people will be fired from their current jobs this hooligan deserves life sentence in sudan jail

      mafetsim - 2012-10-28 09:28

      Life sentence for what? O dom shame

  • edgar.mooi - 2012-10-28 06:14

    Action that shows displine an prevent more damages to life must be taken , dali mpofu what du u call it when people are on strike an start killing police that are trying to bring order ,,,,,lets nt blacklist the names of all leaders Ramaphosa dnt never mean kill or take action b4 life was taken by mine workers an he mean his view to prevent more life to be taken ...., the world hv seen the strikeing method by mine workers so ,,,,,,,,, leave RAmaphosa and go for malema wt his union without displine .Num hv gone all ds way during apartheid an its leaders knows hw to peaceful strike the problem is these new union

  • Tarone.Net - 2012-10-28 06:27

    South Africa will never go anywhere if both government and citizens do not upheld the rule of law. Ramaphosa is not guilty until proven so, but people will still call him names. When will we stop playing the man instead of the ball, regardless of who you support. I used to think it was only the politicians who are unable to debate serious issues without calling a different view counter-revolutionary or racism, but so are the citizens. Let us focus on issues at hand if we don't want to be another Zimbabwe.

      paseka.khetsi - 2012-10-28 06:43

      There is a smoking gun of emails and 34 dead 'crhminal' who were killed as per concomitant action,the families of the dead,injured deserve to know.Cyril politically is toasted meat.

  • michael.mothapi.3 - 2012-10-28 06:35

    I think all Lonmin Mine management should testify to give their side of a story...not only Cyril.

  • muke.matshaba - 2012-10-28 06:38

    He is sacrificed cause people think he is in a zuma camp,When workers begin killing anyone around including security n police thats criminal.If that guy with a revolver didnt shoot at the police none would have died,but u know how lawyers can cause a scene on an obvious issue in the name of democrasy.

  • Lelani Elliott - 2012-10-28 06:57

    What is the big issue, Mr Advocate, with e-mails being sent? Cyril Ramaphosa employs half of the miners on behalf of Lonmin. Surely some form of communication should be used to find a solution? And as for Ministers' involvement, at long last! Our economy loses billions because of illegal strikes. Every item vandalised has to be replaced, lives are lost, etc. Rather teach your clients the impact of their irrational actions than to question e-mail correspondence!

      Sbu Lassy Masilela - 2012-10-28 07:45

      We have became a Nation that condemns everything now

      Sbu Lassy Masilela - 2012-10-28 07:46

      Lelani u so right dis Advocate's e-mail questioning leaves much to be desired

  • ngoako.mathekga - 2012-10-28 07:23

    I'm suprised that no one talks about 10 people who died before 34 were killed and after that still some police were killed by miners but no body seem to care, our media reporting is also contributing to this.

      Paul Mphap - 2012-10-28 07:52

      no wonder u r suprised, cos u dont know the sequence of events...hence shut ur mouth.

      ngoako.mathekga - 2012-10-29 13:34

      @Paul give us the sequence of events since you know better. I'm no supporter of propaganda and everyone who is responsible must account. from the first day of these events.

  • Tshilidzi Wa Ha Mukhovha - 2012-10-28 07:30

    They just want to prevent him for not contesting as president in Manaung. There's nothing for him to testified,but Madiiba dreams for wanting Ramaphosa as president will come true.

  • Erna - 2012-10-28 07:35

    To all the people blaming Ramaphosa - do you even know what 'concomitant action' means? Look it up.

      luvnicer - 2012-10-28 08:10

      I've been trying hard to understand de meaning of the word..please explain to me

  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-10-28 07:43

    Oh how noble of you Cyril to offer. You were the direct cause of all the unrest!

  • ishmael.tshehla - 2012-10-28 07:47

    I'm no t surprised by Mpofu's utterings of trying to tie this issue on Ramaphosa.The guy represented malema on the disciplinary case in the anc,Ramaphosa defeated him and he is going to prove him wrong again.this a personal matter between the malema camp vs zuma camp why nothing is about the ten who murdered befoer the 34 and those who were assasinated after them its a pity the miners where used by those who want to win the leadership in mangaung sies Mpofu u shameless noron u think we forgot when u screwed Mandela's wife

      lutendo.mashamba - 2012-10-28 09:13

      Factionalism is killing ANC it will comeback to haunt us cause this infighting is a blessing In disguised for DA

  • Sbu Lassy Masilela - 2012-10-28 07:58

    Cyril Ramaphosa is blamed 4 nothing, dis ppl hate him openly coz he is among de Committee dat handed verdict 2 Malema so not any Malema supporter will like him, even de Acting ANCYL leader once said Cyril as his role Model made him study law n wanted 2 be jst like him, bt after dat incident which left Malema expelled i dnt believe he still look up 2 him

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-10-28 08:06

      These has got nothing to do with Malema, you running out of excuses now. The man is a pure MASS MURDURER,

  • joe.mangena.1 - 2012-10-28 08:03

    This Ramaphosa will only embarass himself further, the anc constitution does not apply in Marikana...

  • tebogosuemeyong - 2012-10-28 08:18

    Ramaphosa is a shareholder and a boars member at lonmin, ofcos there gon be communication between him and management and everyone in their right mind saw criminal acts even before the police killed those 34 people ( may their souls rest in peace) Mpofu must not be lazy and find the actual course and since when did democracy allow striking with pangas and destroying property? They already made him apologize for spending his own hard earned money on a buffalo, they out to get u Rams better be prepared

  • tebogosuemeyong - 2012-10-28 08:19

    Shucks I meant boards not boars, bloody auto correct

      Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-28 08:35

      LMAO, try usING a cracked touch screen with auto correct!

  • mphela.kelatu - 2012-10-28 08:24

    my uncles loose plenty muller in rand refinery,, when they queries they told to tell ramaphosa... But dat time no one understand why... That happened late nineties!!

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-28 08:31

    Yes let the man speak for himself, as his words are being twisted. Of course the strike was criminal - they killed, no brutallly murdered,10 people ffs!

  • mntsethe - 2012-10-28 08:39

    Well our constitution may not find him guilty, but the fact is that his email implies that he played his role in influencing lonmin massacre happened on the 16 August. My questions to him would be...\r\n1) strike started before the 10th august, why you never intervene by that time as a mine boss?\r\n2) initial killings happened on 10th, in which 9people died including policemen, that was the right time to call it criminal act. But as a mine boss you expected to GIVE workers what they want/fighting for, not only try to stop them from what they are seeking for.\r\n3) 24hours before the killing you suggested though actions against mimers, labeling them as criminals, ignoring the fact that they are fighting for better wages, and you never bother yourself in negotiating their wages. \r\n4) hence you have political connection with rulling party you decided to skip some steps and went straight to your colleagues (Nathi, Susan, Gwede.) asking them to apply though actions, and in the following day though actions were applied as you have requested.\r\n5) after these were killed thats when you wanted to offer money to bury them, and bursaries to their kids. Isn't that akward that you did not want to give them money while they were still alive?

      Shannon Moffett - 2012-10-28 09:15

      Really. He cant as a shareholder agree to the miners demands. Blah blah blah!

  • honest.mrwebo - 2012-10-28 08:41

    I battle to understand how Dali Mpofu has made such a mince of the emails exchanged when the miners were on strike. Ramaphosa is a known businessman (not hiding his business interests behind a family trust with two gohst members , Son and Grandmother ) that is why Juju made sure there was no peaceful solution in Marikana . Juju and company knew Ramaphosa has shares there so either way he will be affected by the strikes , ( Keep beating the dog until the owner comes out ). Yes Ramaphosa spoke out against the violence and the killings , remember the email sent a day before the massacre was in response to the killings by the mine workers of two security guards and two policemen . 6 miners were killed on that day as well . Police were criticised by the public ( Not by Cyril Ramaphosa ) for not taking strong action and for bringing small numbers to deal with the violent strike in Marikana.Dali Mpofu is a perfect person to fuel it against one man , Ramaphosa. In Juju`s trial Dali represented JUJU and Ramaphosa upheld the expulsion decison. I also read an article that reveals Dali Mpofu is the young lover that had an affair with Winnie Mandela leading to the elderly couple getting divorced ,apparently Ramaphosa was part of the Mandela Crisis Committee that dealt with the crime and theft where Dali received about R160 000 , this came out from an intercepted letter to Dali by Winie and I haven`t heard the Advocate has denied it. Given the history between the two I am not surprised !!

      Shannon Moffett - 2012-10-28 09:13

      Very interesting comment! Something smells very fishy here!

  • Michael - 2012-10-28 08:59

    Cyril must go and testify how those thugs butchered people with pangas, Dali Mpofu was overseas when that happened, he didn't hear about it, he is only concerned aboou miners being shot.

  • kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-10-28 09:14

    It seems some morons comment just bcos they can, those criminal thugs were killing ppl and damaging property, Ramaphosa is a businessman protecting his staff and his business, was he supposed to stand and watch?

  • Sizwe Mkhaliphi - 2012-10-28 09:15

    You morons blaming Ramaphosa for trying to prevent more deaths are no different to that idiot advocate Mpofu, his anarchist girlfriend Winnie and their rebel rousing offspring Julius. These criminals(armed strikers) killed 10 people including 2 policemen before they came back baying for more blood. In your waterlogged brains, this should have been allowed to continue with neither prevention or consequences? You can all take the Juju/Dali train and go to hell. This is South Africa and we will uphold the rule of law.

  • tebogo.motsemme - 2012-10-28 09:15

    Ramaphosa is nothing but a hell-bent capatilist that deserve to be dealt with decisively.

      johnny.matsetse - 2012-10-28 09:47

      Stop talking thrash u Tebogo

  • sibonile.ngubane - 2012-10-28 09:18

    Had he had been asked by the commission to come and testify nd refused, you would be still saying all kinds of nonsense. The the man is offering his full co-operation to the enquiry yet you still complaining. What the flippin' hell do u want you people? Go nd burn in hell man!!

      ftakalani - 2012-10-28 09:23

      Tru this ppl dsnt knw wat thy want.

  • julie.vanniekerk.3 - 2012-10-28 09:29

    Those that were striking wanted a war so they got it. Lives are always lost in wars, so what now?

      John - 2012-10-28 21:49

      At what point did the miners declare WAR. You spout utter bull manure!!!

      John - 2012-10-28 21:57

      How many of YOUR thug POLICY ENFORCERS suffered ANY form of injury?? I see!! NONE!!!

  • tebogo.motsemme - 2012-10-28 09:39

    Ramaphosa is nothing but a blatant capitalist that really deserve to be dealt with decisively.

  • peter.tony.14 - 2012-10-28 10:47

    You've got to love the irony that the biggest slaughter of workers takes place under the watch of black much for Apartheid being evil.

  • fezi.mabona - 2012-10-28 11:26

    It is unbelievable how "comrades" so quickly turn into shrewd capitalists. This country is so confusing.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-10-28 12:07

    "concomitant action". Will this include you and your cronies ANC/Casatu/Alliance and all the structures that ordered the police in to take military action against striking workers? Will the collective action you call for be implemented when it is revealed that orders came from the top down, from big business, ordering in the pocket politicians, and cadre deployed police operatives in command to end the strike whatever the cost.....?. The cost being ....lives of fathers, brothers, sons and bread winners. Will this 'concomitant action' this 'action' you call for include you, and your chain of command, and your business connections, and your union connections, and your political connections when it is revealed that all of you were complacent in trying to squash AMCU. A big word 'Sq-ryl' to be throwing around, your strategy is right out of the text book of war, when the odds are stacked, attack is the best form of defense. What can you say Mr Rhamaposa? As it is clear that because you wanting to testify shows that you are implicated, you have blood on your hands and that the only reason you wan't to show your face is to protect your reputation.......and not that of the dead and the injured. Your reputation(you want to salvage) has become as traumatic to the South African Nation as that of the new king of the Zulu's........King Zuma the ANC, Num/ have become South Africa's jailers.

  • matthews.magodiela - 2012-10-28 13:13

    Remember that Dali Mpofu is fighting a war for his girlfriend Winnie and step son Malema. He will definately try to avoid reality just to dent Ramaphosa's imaage because he expelled his stepson. Those miners killed 2 policemen and the security guaard in a cruel manner and fortunate enough those who saw the pictures of those hacked police officers will agree with me. Do we have to avoid reality for the sake of workers? We all need better salaries but that strike was turned into criminal activity becaause there were people who were not employed by the from as far as eastern cape who came to assist strikers. Ramaphosa statement didn't give instruction to kill, he said the matter should be dealt with accoding to criminal act and the criminal act doesn't mean kill. Meaning they were supposed to be apprehended and arrested. Dali must go to hell he is not objective.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-10-28 13:45

      The question remains were they AMCU who killed the policemen or was in NUM thugs that killed the policemen in order to blame AMCU so that you Joe public will believe the way that you do.....????? So that police could be used in a military type action against AMCU members and striking workers, remembering that not all strikers are members of any particular Union. Lets face it, there is more questions than answers, and it is better for Joe public to question everything rather than believe whatever stink comes out of mouths of political skunks.

      matthews.magodiela - 2012-10-28 14:04

      I agree with you that not all were amcu members but when you deal with public ciolence you don't become selective, you deal with the situation irrespective of affiliation. Non of police officials killed keep posing in front of cameras for public symphasies and those police died a terrible dearth. But the focus is only in the miners. Those police are not evening what those miners were demanding but they died working for the country and their families. This whole situation is based on symphathy than reality.

      murphee.mekgwe - 2012-10-28 14:17

      dd u forgt da law da policemen r using!minister of police told them 2 shoot 2 kill,who must be killed?criminals...immediately wen he said in da email he send 2 managemnt of lonmin,2 commisioner of da police..''deal wit da situation nt as labour despute bt as criminal act''he ws sayin shoot 2 kill....ramaphosa is as guilty as charged!

  • mzuvukile.maswana - 2012-10-28 14:02

    All Cyril wanted was leadership to take its role in running up to this so called strike. 10 people died before all hell broke loose but seemingly people are only concentrating on the 34 who died later on. When the 10 died he wanted leaders from all spheres to take ownership. Union, Governrment, Lonmin and Law and order but none of them heeded to his pleas. Did he instruct police to shoot to kill? If u know the answer then are u being played?

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-10-28 15:29

    Cyril must be delt with severely he advocates violence against poor workers,to hell with him.

  • Michael - 2012-10-28 15:52

    Cyril Ramaphosa you will lead this country very soon, too many in and out of the ANC believe in your leadership, you have been tried and tested. It is fair to call you President Ramaphosa. Dali Mpofu has an agenda to dent yout name, dont worry he wont succede.

  • mzuvukile.maswana - 2012-10-28 16:31

    The very same parliamenterians said they were scarred of going to Marikkana to address the workers and now nobody is saying anything about it.Cyril for trying to instil leadership is being cruxified for it. Are our minds now being indocrinated by the media? Have we become so lame not to know who was suppose to provide leadership?

  • John - 2012-10-28 21:29

    ANC heavyweight's rear end!! Cyril is the third party promoting the conflict for his personal gain!! His gang is the ANC. How much does he CARE about his PEOPLE that vote for the ANC?

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-29 09:03

    I can see that a number of our New24 readers are ANCYL supporters!! Lets just be honest guys, the only reason that you hate Ramaphosa is because he had the guts to kick out your fat, useless ex president Malema. We are not as stupid as the other people in this country we can see right though the ANCYL!

  • mshiniboys - 2012-10-29 09:17

    So it is true that they knew that this was going to happen and honorable George Bizos is correct to say that the police were given a go ahead and revenge the deaths of murdered colleagues.emailing , face-booking and tweeting government.Oh what an idea they thought they would get away with it.

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