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Ramaphosa raised at Marikana inquiry

2014-01-30 13:16

Pretoria - ANC deputy president Cyril Ramaphosa made inquiries to Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa about unrest at Lonmin mine in Marikana, the Farlam Commission of Inquiry heard on Thursday.

This was the testimony of North West police commissioner Lieutenant General Zukiswa Mbombo, at the commission's public hearings in Pretoria.

Advocate Ishmael Semenya, for the police, led her evidence.

They focused on a transcript of a meeting between Mbombo and Lonmin mine executives, including Barnard Mokwena and Jomo Kwadi, on 14 August, two days before the shooting.

Mbombo wrote in the statement: "When I was speaking to Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, he mentioned to me a name that is also calling him, that is pressurising him, unfortunately it is a politically high [individual]."

Mokwena interjected: "It is Cyril?" Mbombo replied: "Cyril Ramaphosa. Yes. When I was talking to national commissioner [Riah Phiyega] last night she said to me: 'Who are the shareholders here?' and I said I do not know the shareholders, but I know that the minister mentioned Cyril.

"And then she said: 'Now I got it.' You know why she says she got it? Remember, Cyril was in the [ANC] appeals committee of [Julius] Malema, remember?" Mokwena agreed.

Semenya then asked Mbombo to clarify what she meant by "pressuring" Mthethwa.

She responded: "This word pressuring that I used there, I use it very loosely. I use it when a citizen of South Africa phones me to be helped, or wants other people helped."

"It is not a word I think was used by the minister. I don't think he used this word to me. It is a word that I use often concerning people's problems that they want assistance on."

‘Politically high’

Semenya requested Mbombo to explain why she referred to Ramaphosa as "a politically high".

She responded: "At that time I did not know which political office he [Ramaphosa] was in. I meant that I knew that he was in high political office when his name was mentioned."

Commission chairperson, retired Judge Ian Farlam, asked Mbombo to explain why she had said "unfortunately" Ramaphosa was a politically high individual.

"Why did you use the word 'unfortunately'? I do not understand why you used the word 'unfortunately'. I don't understand what was unfortunate", said Farlam.

"I used the word because I didn't want to divulge his name. I also did not know the political office he occupied at that stage," responded Mbombo.

"There was nothing unfortunate about it. I used the word unfortunate because I did not want to divulge his name. I meant to say 'unfortunately I am not going to mention him by name'."

The commission, led by Farlam, is probing the deaths of 44 people in Marikana.

On 16 August 2012, 34 people, mostly striking miners, were shot dead and 78 people were wounded when the police fired on a group gathered at a hill near the mine. They were trying to disperse and disarm them.

In the preceding week, 10 people, including the two policemen and the two security guards, were killed in strike-related violence.

Protests condemned

Businessman-turned politician Ramaphosa's name featured prominently in the early stages of the inquiry, in 2012.

Advocate Dali Mpofu, representing the miners wounded and arrested after the shooting on 16 August, said there was an e-mail in which Ramaphosa condemned the protests, describing them as criminal acts and suggesting "concomitant action".

"This [e-mail] was on 15 August at 14:58, exactly 24 hours before the people were mowed down on that mountain," Mpofu said at the time.

"We have e-mails that were being exchanged between Lonmin management, government ministers [of mineral resources and the police] and at the centre is a gentleman called Cyril Ramaphosa," he said.

"He advanced that what was taking place were criminal acts and must be characterised as such. In line with this characterisation [Ramaphosa said] there needs to be concomitant action to address the situation," said Mpofu.

He said the e-mail was addressed to a certain "Dear Albert of Lonmin".

Mpofu said Ramaphosa had called for action to deal with the "criminals, whose crime was to seek a wage increase".

Comments
  • Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-01-30 13:24

    Not such a great pic judge...you look constipated, LOL!

      Kobus Hattingh - 2014-01-30 13:30

      HAHAHA Indeed

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-01-30 13:35

      oh boy....my rash is back.

      David - 2014-01-30 13:41

      I am slightly amused that a 1-day event can take 18 months to investigate..... and the end is not in sight!

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-01-30 13:42

      LOL Ugogo! Cant be pretty....haha!

      Carla Smith - 2014-01-30 13:46

      Wow, what an intellectual bunch you all are on this thread. Did school finish early today?

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-01-30 13:50

      Go away Carla - no one yanked your chain!

      Anuschka Klusmann - 2014-01-30 13:58

      wow so good of you to notice Carla... guess you dont have homework... Nurse HelenpainINtheAss why dont you and Carla hook up.. you know you can iron her clothes while she does her homework

      Carla Smith - 2014-01-30 13:59

      Julie, why are you so eager to fight with people? Are you not getting any? Is it that time of the month? I see you get into huge arguments with anyone who doesn't agree with you. Seriously my dear, find another hobby, it's not healthy to be so angry all the time.

      Anuschka Klusmann - 2014-01-30 14:03

      Carla i wouldnt say she is angry.. i just share the pain... you know its just no use arguing or debating with brainless people... or kids such as yourself.. :)

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-01-30 14:07

      Carla, by the looks of your profile pic all you do is get it...its simple actually, if you don't like my comments..deal with it dear!

      Anuschka Klusmann - 2014-01-30 14:12

      @ Julie, id say more eat it then get it... ;)

  • Doug Bururu - 2014-01-30 13:26

    Ramaphosa was just using his power to protect his business interests, and that comes first before strikers or country. to him it was "quell the rebels"

      phello.khiba - 2014-01-30 13:47

      de very same,murder ppl must vote for anc,to put@ramaphosa in power,to protect his interest?

      Doug Bururu - 2014-01-30 14:14

      you can say that again

  • Conrad Van Der Merwe - 2014-01-30 13:30

    Is this now the same MR Ramaphosa who promise voters how the ANC will better their lives ? If he calls striking for better wages criminal , does the voters not recognise that as deputy minister of the ANC , the ANC does not plan to better lives , but to play political games to better their own lives. This man is a multi dollar millionaire yet I would like some data on his personal contribution to charity in SA , as he is all about making poor people's living conditions better. What a lot of nonsense: most politicians act and talk in a way to make sure that they are in control any situation that can bring them more money in the pocket

  • NKAISANA - 2014-01-30 13:30

    Buffalo Ramaphosa was protecting his shares,he is also criminal for allowing miners to be killed in such way

      DerekMain - 2014-01-30 13:49

      Yep - there's blood on your hands Cyril. Amazing how money makes morals and conviction fly out the window - just like the pseudo-communist Blade. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!!

  • Zimasa Makaziwe - 2014-01-30 13:45

    The truth about Marikana is comming out now . The results of this Farlam Commission is going to be the biggest test in the whole justice system in this country .

      Derek Bredenkamp - 2014-01-30 16:21

      Yup, the truth we knew all along, the order to kill came from the very top.

  • Luthando Jama - 2014-01-30 13:46

    They were only striking for the wage invrease bt killed as crominals.......its our SA. No 1 is going to be arested bcz the have power to manipulate the law.

  • Feneth Mnisi - 2014-01-30 13:54

    Ramaphosa has got blood in his hands. He is not what he potray himself to be. This man should be jailed for life, among with Piyega and Mthetwa.

  • Monare Monareng - 2014-01-30 13:58

    During that time Ramaphosa wanted to bought a Baffalo worth 18m.Will remember it when voting!

  • Ian Van Zyl - 2014-01-30 14:02

    So this Mbombo person is going to use his poor command of the English Language as a way of white-washing what actually happened? Someone is "pressuring" him not to divulge the truth. I smell a rat.

  • Hartmut Balzer - 2014-01-30 14:07

    Mpofu again total wrong. Blind not only of one eye but of both with 100%. Handle again any order from any law enforcement is a crime. If not so, Good Night South Africa. Check anybody where Mpofu come from? the answer is very intresting. Time anybody see him of the fingers if he talk a nonsense then that.

  • Peter Tracey - 2014-01-30 14:08

    Eish!

  • Mzuvukile Maswana - 2014-01-30 14:14

    In South Africa, citizens have a right to march and protest. Carrying of knobkerries and asseggai during a protest is certainly a criminal offence. When there are killings involve that is a criminal offence so why are we going to candy coat wrong doing? I am not condoning the actions of the police in mowing down those who were carrying weapons during a protest. Ramaphosa certainly didn't instruct police to use their weapons in the manner that they did but he consulted with those in charge. Is that being criminal?

      Luthando Jama - 2014-01-30 14:26

      A person from poor background can never speak as you speak. you love your ANC to secrifice the blood of our brothers!!!!!!! He has every power to manipulate the minister based on his cridential as a vice president. Why he call the minister bcz in a company the are people who are employed for that. He has share and it is not his company but he took an advantage of being a vice president. They promised you big position in such a way you even don't know the truth!!!! plz bro we lost our blood brothers in Marikana get back with your words.

      Luthando Jama - 2014-01-30 14:29

      They were not in the premises of the company but were just gathering on the mountain.

      Adam Botshelo - 2014-01-30 15:27

      @ Mzuvukile Maswana, sir can you please explain to me why did dear Cyril Ramaphosa wrote an e-mail condemning the murder of those mine workers a day before they were mowed down?

      Mzuvukile Maswana - 2014-01-30 21:54

      Themba u wiseman then tell me why did the mine workers kill the two security guards and two policemen who never did anything to harm them when they were sitting on the hill? Was that part of your so called march?

  • Jacob Jody - 2014-01-30 14:15

    ceril must go to jail

      WrefordWhite - 2014-01-30 14:19

      Too late, he's already gone to Australia.

  • T-cam Lee - 2014-01-30 14:20

    i smell a rat how can you say you don't want to divuldge into that name, its either you tell the truth and stop bushing around money is being waisted here so all you witness talk and those who got killed and injured be compensated cause after all none of this people will be prosecuted the matter is that let the government and lonmin pay up.

  • Charl du Preez - 2014-01-30 14:22

    The ANC is outperforming the Nats. ANC killing it's own people faster than what the Nats could.....shows the stupidity of the ANC supporter. Lmao!

  • mica gogome - 2014-01-30 14:27

    Anyway you want to look at,but to deal with criminals whos crime was to protest caring dangerous weapons that ended up on killing TWO police officers and a security guard.

  • Matsobane Mohale - 2014-01-30 14:28

    Mr Ramaphosa can articulate himself extremely well when he is infront of our poor people what he utter when is behind the scene u won't believe this honourable gentleman only cares for his prosperity nothing else.lucky u anc wl help u to move from millionarie to billionarie.

  • Stephen Radebe - 2014-01-30 14:31

    vet cat of the AFRICAN NATIONAL CONGRESS kill inocent people.

  • Nelson Poopmore - 2014-01-30 14:37

    Ramaphosa directed the Marikana killings, just like the Butcher of Shell House directed the Shell House killings. Now guess who was the Butcher of Shell House?

  • Siyabonga Biyela - 2014-01-30 14:40

    If people killed each other on my lawn, I'd call the cops! How they handle the situation is their problem. The two people who should have resigned even before the commission was appointed, are Mthethwa and Phiyega.

  • Vincent Davince Malapane - 2014-01-30 14:41

    Ramaposa the man who go around promising them a better life,y don't he just say a better death..he cold the miners the criminals...?? I smell the rat here and I can't wait hear him questioned by Mpofu..

  • Adam Botshelo - 2014-01-30 15:18

    Cyril Ramaphosa you bloody murderer!!!

  • Solly Dube - 2014-01-30 15:19

    This zukiswa is going to be cornered very easily and she is going to spill the beans. Piyega did not teach her very well how to lie

  • Rodney Narayadu - 2014-01-30 15:25

    Ian farlam and his merry men should join the riot unit police when the next incident of mob violence takes place and experience first hand what these cops go through.We live in a very violent country where the cops have to act accordongly.There is no other way to stabilise such situations.I dare you Ian !

      Theodore Luka Leshaba - 2014-01-30 16:25

      Would u b happy if 1 of ur raletives die fighting 4 his rights(decent wage).Where d people asking 4 increase from d police?Dnt think like a stupit bra,everybody wants to live a good life

      Rodney Narayadu - 2014-01-30 16:47

      Theodore,the cops are not your enemy,its the government you voted for.Whenever they do not want to face the people,they send the police to confront you.Everyone deserves a living wage.Fighting for it does not mean to physically arm yourself and do the angry dance to get it.No,it means to sit around a table and come to a reasonable comprimise.Violence and intimidation is a no no.

  • Marv Dee - 2014-01-30 15:25

    ramaphosa his an evil bastard dt cares abt him self only,he dsnt care abt the needs of us south african. Nw we have a reason nt to vote for anc, lets make awa vote count guys plz dis is our chance to mke dis country wt we dreamd of....unity n wrking togeda we can achieve so much.

  • Album Maleka - 2014-02-04 21:10

    I don't like that guy,take tht basted 2 jail!

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