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Ramtha distances itself from French couple

2011-01-21 11:07

Johannesburg - The Ramtha School of Enlightenment on Friday denied being a survivalist cult and distanced itself from a French couple who killed a policeman and wounded another, and were then shot dead by police.

"Upon hearing the news that the fugitives had died in a shootout with police yesterday, JZ Knight, founder of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (RSE) expressed a mixture of relief and sadness," the school, based in the USA, said in a statement.

They expressed condolences to the family of Constable Jacob Boleme, 27, who was shot dead, and Warrant Officer Glenwall du Toit, 42, who was wounded when police arrived at the farm the couple lived on near Sutherland, in the Karoo, last Friday.

Knight said according to reports, Philippe Meniére and Agnes Jardel had thought the world was ending for decades, and had been involved in a survival academy and with Nostradamus prophecies since the late 1980s and belonged to the RSE.

Not part of RSE curriculum

The school said the couple had attended a survival combat and tactics academy 23 years ago, long before they ever attended RSE and that "those tactics have never been part of the RSE curriculum".

They then attended several RSE courses between 1999 and 2004. RSE has had no contact with them since they attended a seminar in 2004.

"As reported by the du Plessis family [whose farm they lived on] to the media, the change in their behaviour happened only within the last year or two, so their recent actions are unrelated to RSE or its teachings."

Knight had never met the couple and the school does not condone violence "in any form", she continued.

Responding to the reports that the couple stole food, they said the school also deplores theft.

"The fundamental precepts taught at the school emphasise the sacredness of human life. The choices made by the couple do not reflect an understanding of the school's philosophy."

Prepared for anything


Students call themselves "sovereignists" and have been taught to be prepared for anything, to be able to provide and care for themselves and their families.

"A sovereign person is able to support their life without gambling on banks, the stock market, or paper investments. I am very proud of this culture of RSE and that our students have heard this message from Ramtha for over 25 years."

Ramtha is, according to the statement, 35 000 years old and channelled through the body of JZ Knight.

Several references to scientific studies showing physiological changes in Knight during the channelling, were provided.

The school said they had been making predictions of Earth changes for decades and taught people how to provide for themselves and their families.

But they don't, as reported, believe the world is going to end in 2012.

"Does RSE believe that the world will end in 2012? No. RSE is already making administrative plans for its school curriculum for 2013 and 2014."

All they do is teach students to prepare for unexpected changes and this could be related to the weather, terrorism or financial chaos.

Self-reliance


"The emphasis is not on the end of the world, but rather on becoming self-reliant so that in any emergency you can be an asset to your family and community, rather than a liability."

The school also wanted it known that they are not a cult, which is supported by a US court ruling.

Last Friday police went to the farmhouse where Meniére and Jardel had been living for the past few years, after the owner reported they had weapons. After the first shootout the couple went on the run.

They were apparently shot dead at a second house on the farm on Thursday, although their identities had not been officially confirmed yet.

Comments
  • AJ - 2011-01-21 11:15

    All the JZ's are cuckoo it seems.

      Ammie - 2011-01-21 11:23

      ha ha ha!!

      Dee Kisela - 2011-01-21 11:41

      That is the first thing that caught my eye! JZ ROTFWL

      martruss - 2011-01-21 13:17

      Very funny. But unfortunately true.

      abandonedbluehondanw2 - 2011-01-22 09:55

      AJ, surely you mean JW's - they have always been a cult.

  • AJ - 2011-01-21 11:18

    "Ramtha is, according to the statement, 35 000 years old and channelled through the body of JZ Knight." - Nah, of course you're not a cult....WTF!

      Robert Cerff - 2011-01-21 11:53

      You're right, they should move with the times... Jesus and his cult are only about 2,000 years old. ;)

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 13:05

      She's quite bonkers, yes. Ramtha apparently commanded an army that was 2.5 million strong. However, that's more than the total population of our planet was back then!

      JDuvenhage - 2011-01-21 15:24

      Robert - yes and Earth is only 6 000 years old...

      Brendon - 2011-01-22 02:21

      Robert, lol, good one, and straight on the money.

  • jstathought - 2011-01-21 11:20

    to fill up print space you allow this "cult" organisation to market and promote more of their "teachings", denial end of story no need for a page of "teachings" to go with it!

      maureen.farndell - 2011-01-21 11:32

      Agreed.... but it all makes sensation reading and if the "school" can get some free milage out of it - thats just what they will do. Hey man!!!!!!!! It's a freebie for goodness sake!!!!!

  • Ammie - 2011-01-21 11:23

    Ai shame, and the poor fools believed in Ramtha and even died because of their believe. Typical...

      Crispy_Duck - 2011-01-21 11:37

      As opposed to the poor fools that die for Christ and Allah?

      Ammie - 2011-01-21 11:55

      That's not the point crispy duck... but I won't take the bait.

      Nice Guy - 2011-01-21 12:00

      That Jesus in South Park is quite a decent person to follow

      QuintS - 2011-01-21 12:02

      @ Crispy_Duck - The Bible, and the life, death and resurrection record of Jesus Christ, is an eye witness account of history that can be validated and verified by any clear thinking, intellegent person through plain scientific investigation. The truth is there and will stay the truth whether you choose to believe it or not.

      ShaunSwindon@24.com - 2011-01-21 12:20

      QuintS eye witnessed by who? Were you there to verify all this? Are you aware that the Bible was compiled and mostly rewritten by an atheist idol worshiping Roman called Constantine by the way. Now that is fact. Go and check if you would like to ;)

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 13:03

      @QuintS: An eye witness account of history? Not quite, buddy. The Gospels were written almost two centuries after Jesus died. <-- Died, yes. His resurrection and holiness is a fairy tale.

      Lloyd6312 - 2011-01-21 13:32

      @QuintS: Everything you have just said is made up. How on earth can you be sure of any of that? Verified by clear thinking, intelligent people? Are you kidding me? Wow you need to do some thorough, unbiased and open minded research before you can make any claims of that nature.

      edward.abrahams - 2011-01-21 14:54

      @Crispy@ShaunSwindon@cammarat@Lloyd- People, I respect your opinions and by no means consider myself better than any of you. I am a child of the Creator of the Universe-I'm NOT perfect, neither is anyone on earth. This Jesus, Who's name many, many people use so lightly use, He, is the God of the Universe. He is my God and I love Him. He died over 2000 years ago, all, so that human beings on planet earth can have the priviledge of living for ever and ever. Very soon, we will all stand AMAZED when mankind will see Jesus come back to this planet a second time. QuintS, was right. The Bible CAN be validated! Read: 2nd Peter 1:16 & 18 - "For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known 2 u the power & coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were EYEWITNESSESS of HIS MAJESTY". Go in2 the annals of history & you will find MANY, MANY evidence and PROOF that the BIBLE and Jesus was REAL. Egyptian history, Babylon(Iraq), Israel-the Dead Sea scrolls, Rome. There is SO MUCH PROOF & if u will search with an Open mind, u Will find it. @ShaunSwindon-the Bible was NOT written by Constantine but by many individuals(Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jerimaiah, Daniel, Jonah, Matthew, Mark, Paul, Timothy, Peter, John,...and the list goes on...). @Lloyd-NOTHING is made up! It is ALL HISTORICAL PROVEN FACT! @Crispy-u can NEVER be a fool if u die for Jesus Christ(He is our God who died 4 US). I hope u will get 2 know this INVISIBLE, MIGHTY GOD. SOON, He is going to reveal Himself 2 us.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 15:09

      @edward.abrahams: you cannot quote from the Bible to prove it's infallible :) It is riddled with holes and inconsistencies. But humour me. Why did Jesus have to be sacrificed? Did Satan demand it? Personally, I would rather die for my children than kill them. It's murder, not love. If there really was a god, he would expect us to think, rather than follow him blindly like sheep. I'll take my chances, rather than bow to your petty idol.

      edward.abrahams - 2011-01-21 15:34

      @cammaratagerardo-Yes, I CAN quote the Bible my friend! Why? Because it is an undisputed, documented fact underscored by the Dead Sea scroll findings. Jesus, existed. He lived in Israel. He died on a Roman, wooden cross. Moses existed. David existed. Solomon(the most intelligent human being on earth) existed. Daniel, existed. And so did, Matthew and Paul and Peter, etc. The Bible does not have holes in it! It is NOT inconsistent either. How do we answer that challenge? Simple. You have to STUDY it. For example, there are 2 books in the Bible that need to be studied together-the book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation. Your question:"Why did Jesus die?"-because of sin and because He loves you! Satan, could not and cannot demand God's death! God laid down His life for YOU my friend simply because He could not stand the thought of you not existing for ever and ever. If you were God would you do that for somebody who did not even deserve it in the 1st place? Well, thats exactly what He did. Satan, brought sin in2 the universe & we humans became subjected 2 its power because of our parents Adam & Eve. As a result, we were ALL condemned to die. There4, Jesus, gave His life in OUR PLACE so that we would NOT have to cease to exist in His universe. It is because of Sin that there is so much sadness on earth. But because of Jesus(even if we die now, 1 day He will resurrect us)we CAN live for ever but ONLY if we CHOOSE. God does NOT force us 2 choose what He wants 4 us. We r NOT sheep

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 15:42

      @edward.abrahams: but according to your fairy tale, Jesus didn't die. He was a god before he was crucified. So in fact the whole thing was just a stage play. And I'm saying you can't use the Bible as proof of its infallibility because it is like saying I should believe you because you say so. I'm not disputing that it is a historical manuscript either - there is no denying that several religions use it as a handbook. My argument is that it is fiction, and that there isn't really a pixie in the sky.

      edward.abrahams - 2011-01-21 16:18

      @cammaratagerardo-"Blessed is he who has NOT seen, yet he believes..." These were words, Jesus, spoke to Thomas, because he did not believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead. The most beautiful part of this whole thing is that it is NOT a fairy tale my friend. If I understand u correctly, u believe that the Bible is a historical manuscript but you don't believe in what it is written within its pages...THAT is precisely the point. History can PROVE what is written on those pages as true. Go and do the research yourself. DON'T take my word for it! Whether other religions use it as a point of reference means nothing. The Bible is God's word written over many years and today we draw strength, hope and answers from it. Questions like: where do we come from? Why are we here? Why do we find ourselves in this situation of life and death? Where are we going? What is the real meaning of life? What about the future? Friend, I'm sure u've asked these & many other such questions. Well, this Book, has ALL your answers. And no matter what anyone says about it, it is ALL true. Once u start reading it, you will strangely draw courage and hope from it-LIFE. God gave it 2 us as a kind of road map 2 eternity. It is NO fairy-tale! Heaven, is a REAL place in our universe and it is mor EXITING filled with wonder than a fairy tale. It is the HOPE of mankind and SOON we will experience it. BUT...only those who...Believe & accept the willing sacrifice of Jesus & so-doing become His 4ever friend.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 16:26

      @edward.abrahams: I'm glad that you found solace in your religion. But unfortunately the only thing history proves is that great evils are done in the name of religion. Bush & Blair's invasion of Iraq is a recent example. The witch hunts and crusade are others. The world would be a better place if people are not confused by voices in their heads. There are clinical terms for these delusions. The god in your bible is a small-minded and spiteful bastard that smites innocent people for fun. And then he changed his infallible mind, and stopped? Please brother. Spare me the kindergarten logic. And good luck with finding those faeries.

      JohannV - 2011-01-21 16:28

      Technically speaking, nothing can be 100% proven. We consider something 'proven' when the evidence favors it more than it opposes it. So the question is not 'can God be proven to exist?', but 'does the evidence favor the existence of God more than it favors the idea that there is no God?'. When dealing with the question of God's existence, we would not only look at the scientific evidence (which alone, I believe, strongly favors God's existence), but also the philosophical and spiritual evidence as well. For example, if someone were to ask you whether or not love existed, I doubt you would deal only with the scientific evidence, but would deal with the questions of why people risk their lives to save others, or why a couple will stay together for many years, forsaking all others. The only way that we can absolutely know something to be true is to experience it ourselves.

      JohannV - 2011-01-21 16:30

      Both science and the Bible agree that time began to exist when the universe began to exist (the Bible made this statement thousands of years ago, science just discovered this fact about a hundred years ago). Since time began to exist when the universe began to exist, then whatever force caused the universe to exist, be it God or something else, is, by definition, a timeless force. That is, it's a force that is not bound by the constraints of time that matter within the physical universe is bound by. Therefore, this force would not likely be a force that has a beginning or an end. A force that has no beginning or end would not have a creator. Therefore, if God created the universe, God would not have a creator.

      JohannV - 2011-01-21 16:45

      cammaratageradro You talk about "God smiting innocent people for the fun of it". Firstly, Being human automatically rules you out as "innocent". Thanks to Adam and Eve's inobedience, all humans are guilty of sin. Secondly, those "wars and atrocities and genocides" you atheists so like to quote when judging God's wrath, is just totally whacked. "Killing in the name of religion"? Jesus was the excuse, not the reason, for those atrocities. He never supported the persecution of non-believers, so those who commit those acts could not have truly been believers in what He stood for. The people who did this were essentially the same people, at least by nature, who persecuted Christ and His early followers. To refuse to follow Christ because some Christians have abused His name makes no sense. It's like refusing to use money because some people misuse it, or refusing to see a doctor when you're ill because doctors used to 'bleed' their patients hundreds of years ago. I'm even a little surprised when atheists use this argument, since they have faith in evolution which teaches survival of the fittest. So by their reasoning, shouldn't war and persecution be okay, since their success usually goes to the fittest? Jesus is the one who tells us to love everyone, even our enemies, and to strive to be peacemakers. Those who agree with Jesus' teachings should be the only ones offended by war and persecution.

      edward.abrahams - 2011-01-21 17:06

      I couldn't have said it better JohannV. You sound like you are either a scientist or have a very keen interest in it-your explanation is very analitical. Just as a point of interest from a very 'unscientific' perspective, there are many, many scientists who study astronomy becoming believers in a Great Creator. It takes MORE faith to believe that there is no God than to believe there IS! The evidence is overwhelming. @cammaratagerardo-No kindergarten logic my friend, just plain simple Belief. No voices in the head either, just a peace and hope that you will not understand. I understand where u come from when u mention Bush and Blair. Only one thing, God is NOT to blame for people's death, neither does he smite innocent people because they don't do His bidding. The one responsible 4 all this is none other than, Satan, & his demonic host. I have found my hope in the Bible and it is not my religion but my road map to eternity. God loves you whether you believe it or not. He longs 4 u to have a real relationship with Him. After all, He is the One Who created you. He is the One Who gave u life and keeps u alive everyday. He is the One Who gives u strength & the ability to work & provide 4 your family. He is the One Who gave u your beautiful children from within your wife's womb. Do I need say more? Cammaragerardo, I'll pray for you my friend. God will open your eyes to see what you are really missing out on...an INCOMPARABLE RELATIONSHIP with an ETERNAL, SELF-EXISTENT, LOVING GOD.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 19:16

      @JohannV: you seem to be a reasonable guy, and relatively intelligent. I'm sure you will therefore agree that you do not need to pray to any god to be a good person, even when judged by biblical standards. If there is a supreme being, I very much doubt that he would be the verkrampte idiot that the christian church portrays. Rather, he'd be an enlightened being that can make up his own mind to decide who is worthy or who isn't. He would be nothing like the god most christians espouse, and I believe many of the blind sheep that post comments here will have a terrible surprise if ever they are judged. Do what you want to, but harm none. And love under will. You don't need any other rules than that. The bible is largely anecdotal. Anyone that interprets it literally is missing the message. I see you've already judged 'us atheists' in your replies. Do you believe that your god is omniscient? And that your life is predetermined? If that is so, I'm merely doing his bidding. And you're a puppet on a string.

      Janine - 2011-01-22 11:05

      @QunitS - correct me if I am wrong, but weren't some of the gospels written years after the fact? Speaking from a personal point of view - my memories of events that happened a few years ago might not be quite as sharp as they were shortly after the event. Just asking ...........

      brandcmac - 2011-01-22 11:14

      @cammaratagerardo, u do not know what you talking about because you don't have your facts right. But "there is no one as blind or deaf as those who do not want to see and hear". One day you won't have a choice to akcnowlede THE TRUTH but then it might be too late unfortunately.

  • Mj - 2011-01-21 11:24

    US school of enlightment..??????? :)

      ApexPredator - 2011-01-21 13:25

      An oximoron if I ever saw one...

      hwy510 - 2011-01-21 18:06

      I don't think SA is in a position to judge ..... Apartheid until 1990's .... Hello??

  • kevin.vandyk - 2011-01-21 11:25

    Wonder how much annual membership fees are ... "sorry folks, we just realised the world won't end in 2012 ... come to our seminar in 2013 for a fresh update. Our bank details are as follows ..."

  • kevin.vandyk - 2011-01-21 11:27

    Wonder how much annual membership fees are ... "sorry folks, we just realised the world won't end in 2012 ... come to our seminar in 2013 for a fresh update. Our bank details are as follows ..."

  • Reon - 2011-01-21 11:28

    Is this JZ family of our JZ?

  • Ammie - 2011-01-21 11:39

    I just went onto www.ramtha.com website and jeez...JZ... when are you getting more botox and another facelift? At least the member's money goes to something everyone can see?!

  • Barry M - 2011-01-21 11:40

    JZ Knight - must be a black knight!

  • Made_In_SA - 2011-01-21 11:46

    Funny how every one is flaming this cult but I bet most of you lot are religious? is that not also a cult?

      ShaunSwindon@24.com - 2011-01-21 12:18

      I agree as the Bible was basically compiled by an atheist idol worshiping Roman called Constantine :)

      randrdunbar - 2011-01-21 12:45

      Enlighten yourself by doing some research as to what a cult really is.Many have a religious basis.

      rmarkram - 2011-01-21 14:47

      Shaun can you prove your statement? Constantine was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity and he did not write the bible as you know it...it was called the "Fifty bibles of Constantine". I'd rather die believing in God and be wrong than died not believing and find myself in hell with you dumb okes.

      pointblankza - 2011-01-21 14:51

      rmarkam, then you sir are a fool because you believe out of fear.... besides, hell is where the party is at.

      Odette Lippold - 2011-01-21 15:38

      Yes cults do have a religious source. But you draw the line at ridiculous. Thank God you have a brain and thank Him for giving you the ability to use it.

  • Fhatuwani - 2011-01-21 12:48

    There is a rumour that the farm belongs to a prominent Ku Klax Klan member who left the US to open a new branch in Mzansi. The school has been operational secretly for some time now. Its objective is to substitute the dysfunctional boeremag organisation with a fresh new approach to the darwinism theory.

      robertgunning - 2011-01-21 13:01

      and rumors are just that.... rumors.

      pointblankza - 2011-01-21 13:15

      LOL, bro paint thinners is bad for you.

  • Picasso - 2011-01-21 13:12

    I also believe, I believe I'm going to have a couple of beers tonight...

  • philip.h.kuhn - 2011-01-21 14:10

    Has no one seen What The #$@& Do We Know Anyway?? The movie was funded by RSE

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 14:47

      I watched 10 minutes and then switched it off. Total crap.

  • deu - 2011-01-21 16:01

    My intention was not to comment but i see it fitting that i should, my brother Quints, that was a good comment. It is written that in the last days there would be people like Shaun, Cammarata, Loyd who would say there is no God. They are not even aware of it but they are fullfiling that prophecy of the very book they claim is untrue. If it wasnt for the God i serve i wouldnt even be around to write this comment. A woman whom i loved and thought i was gonna marry belonged to a cult and i was cursed to die, a man of God came to me and revealed everything to me and prayed for me. Within the next few days everything came out in the open and the woman even ran away. So basically, people might say whatever and try to redicule the church and God but at the end of it all, everyone makes their own choices, and there are only 2 choices, life or death, heaven or hell!

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 16:07

      @doh: ROFTL. Stop sniffing glue.

      JohannV - 2011-01-21 16:25

      2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 19:56

      @JohannV: I scoff at narrow-minded idiots, rather than their beliefs. It's cool to see your good book has a comeback for that. Do you hear voices in your head too, and does mysterious strangers reveal hidden truths to you?

  • wehan.victor - 2011-01-21 16:42

    CRACKPOTS

  • respectforramtha - 2011-01-21 17:03

    P.S.: After 1992, journalists could be held libel for calling this school a cult following a Superior Court ruling that provided a legal precedent, ruling that Ramtha's School is not a cult: - Bruce W. Cohoe, Judge. Superior Court of the State of Washington for Pierce County. December 4, 1992. Pierce County Cause Number 88-3-03873-1

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 20:02

      Dude, go eat Ramtha. JZ Knight and her idiot cult might be protected in the US of A'ss, but the ruling you mention carries no weight here. Calling RSE a cult is a compliment to a bunch of crazy loonies supporting JZ's botox bills.

      Hotdog - 2011-01-21 22:34

      So in other words, News24 published a press release from RSE's PR company instead of calling a spade a spade, for fear of potentially being sued? Why would RSE need to get a Superior Court ruling to protect itself from being labelled as a cult?! I mean for christ sake people, RSE is a load of cr@p, wake up!!

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-21 23:06

      Chill, Hotdog. respectforramtha made the comment about the US SC ruling. S/he's probably some redneck from the Americas too, what with the poor English: "could be held libel", for instance. In fact, it's probably JZ Knight herself. I watched a bit of her crap on their website, and she mispronounces every second word. If you check the pics on their site, you will realise why: her face is distorted by botox to the point that she cannot speak propers.

      Hotdog - 2011-01-22 07:30

      @cammaratagerardo I agree with you. The holes in RSE's are so glarringly obvious and it's cliched in its message and modus operandi as a cult. It's just so frustrating and sad that good people get/choose to be sucked into something which ruins their lives - I guess it's a fools paradise.

  • william.botha - 2011-01-21 23:02

    It doesn't matter anyhow. Ramtha is a bunch of Whackjobs.

      hwy510 - 2011-01-22 08:34

      Over 100,000 people from around the world have been in live audiences since 1979. The School’s approach is unique and innovative, combining many threads of contemporary scientific research to support demonstrations of the principle that God lives within each of us. RSE has been a powerful bridge between science and mysticism in its greatest output—the students themselves and in the personal difference it has made in individual lives. For example, surveys of the beginning students indicate that 84 to 90 percent say that the Beginning Retreat was “the greatest week of their life so far.” “Having spent all my adult life observing spiritual organizations and metaphysical instructional centers, I saw in Ramtha’s school a relatively new and unique offering, not only an alternative to older, more familiar forms of spirituality but also a decided challenge to New Age aspirations.” – J. Gordon Melton, Finding Enlightenment. January 1998 Director of the Institute for the Study of American Religion University of California, Santa Barbara

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-22 10:10

      LOL @ hwy510. Melton was paid by JZ Knight to write that book, and is an author-for-hire. He can almost always be counted on to defend virtually any group called a “cult” no matter how heinous or harmful, and has recently come out in support of Tom Cruise and his mad Scientology loons. JZ's claim that Ramtha led an army of 2.5 million contradicts estimates of the world population at 33,000 BC, and her claims of clairvoyant, telepathic, telekinetic and other ESP abilities, for which there is no scientific support, have been heavily criticised by skeptics and scientific communities across the world. Arthur C Clarke called her a crackpot, and you don't really need much more proof than that.

  • respectforramtha - 2011-01-22 04:28

    Hey cammaratagerardo: you are sooo right :-) my English is badddd: I am actually Afrikaans :-))) and no have never met JZ Knight just lovvv the Ramtha knowledge but i do with it what i want, take from it what works for me, aaah free will is so delicious :-))

  • MyChoice - 2011-01-22 09:16

    hwy510 you seem well informed: wonder if I know you. how cool is that if it was so :-))))

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-22 10:57

      Do you and respectforrofl trawl the web to defend your silly cult?

      william.botha - 2011-01-22 16:56

      Sure seems that way.

  • katy.jackson3 - 2011-01-22 18:40

    I know by first hand that this is a cult waiting for the world to end in 2012. They build bunkers, stock food, guns and ammunition, and have no problem shooting people in the BACK!!! They believe they can raise the dead,create gold out of thin air. They also believe that they can progress to a different level of existance. So tell me, why didn't this 2 "frenchies" levitate to a different dimension, to escape capture???? Now can you imagine if the world comes to an end next year and they all come out of their bunkers, what the hell are they gonna live on, and are they gonna have to interbreed. This is a sick, sick cult!!!!! And the leader in South Afric, who i might add was very good friends with these people, should go and identify their bodies. You know who you are, you cant hide too many people know you!!!!!

  • jaycee - 2011-01-26 18:54

    After I read this report I looked up on internet about this JZ. One must not be judgemental, but she is delusion as sure as there are floods in Gauteng.

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