Reitz Four sentences reduced

2011-06-24 07:17

Bloemfontein - The sentences of the so-called Reitz-Four students were reduced in the Bloemfontein High Court, the Volksblad newspaper reported on Friday.

The four former students of the University of the Free State humiliated five black workers in an initiation-type ceremony in 2007, which they filmed while living at the university's now-closed Reitz men's residence.

RC Malherbe, Johnny Roberts, Schalk van der Merwe and Danie Grobler pleaded guilty to a charge of crimen injuria in July 2010 and were each fined R20 000 or 12 months' in jail.

They were also sentenced to a further six months in prison, wholly suspended for five years on certain conditions.

The newspaper report that on appeal the fines for Van der Merwe and Malherbe were reduced to R10 000 each, while that of Roberts and Grobler were reduced to R15 000 each.

The report said if the former students do not pay the fines they must appear in court on 25 July 2011 to be given a prison sentence.

The two judge panel also strike out the additional sentence of six months imprisonment, wholly suspended for five years on certain conditions.

The appeal was heard by Judge MH Rampai and Judge MB Molemela.

Earlier this year, about 300 guests watched when the four students publicly expressed "deeply regret" for their conduct and the harm it caused the workers, the university and the broader community.

At the reconciliation ceremony, the former students said they had failed the workers and now knew that their conduct had hurt them.

"With true remorse and humility, we ask you to forgive us," Grobler said on their behalf.

The workers accepted the apology.

  • Mike-O - 2011-06-24 07:21

    Yes I think they have been humiliated enough too.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:08

      Yes, I can see how they were humiliated. Afterall,they had to pee on camera and am sure their laughter was humiliating indeed.

      morentebo - 2011-06-24 09:22

      bloody mamparas

      Eric West - 2011-06-24 12:12

      Agreed! This whole incident was blown out of proportion!

      Yaseen - 2011-06-24 13:03

      It’s all right, cause it’s all white !!!!

      Spyker May - 2011-06-24 13:27

      While NOTHING can reduce the disgrace suffered by the victims in this case, glaring anomalies stand out like a ‘vrot’ sore thumb, inter alia.., What about the road-side racial spat after a certain Winnie Madikizela-Mandela was in bridge of the law..? The barefaced racial outburst by a drunken judge – supposedly the bedrock of a civilised society..? The brazen racism by the person who is the government spokesperson - but then again, should we be surprised that a career-racist is the ANC’s ‘face’..? To name but a very few – eg ignoring the fascist little despot in the making (ie the Woodwork Prodigy) that the post-Polokwane ’07 ANC, continues to lightly rap over the knuckles (only so gently that is), but NEVER simply ousts..? How do you justify ANY (formal) action, in a society under the rule of a fascist black nationalist regime, who is trying to indoctrinate us to believe: - Only white people can be ‘racist’ – as if “white” is not a race (just think about it – ie is actually what you are implying, at the same time...). - Everything white people have, have been stolen – viz, they have no real abilities, they just steal from others. - All the misery that is Africa, is simply because they were oppressed by the West-.., by Europeans and nothing else. The fact that post-Apartheid SA has the highest rape- and murder rates in the world, corruption- and crime is now so endemic, it has formally become systemic (iow, society cannot function without it). The list goes on...

  • Ten Ras - 2011-06-24 07:29

    okay its cool. Don't do it again boys....

      Derrick - 2011-06-24 10:47

      @Sooth Slayer. First off driving drunk is illegal (maby he should've driven into you and killed you instead?) and costs lives. Comparing that to this incedent is irrelevant. Then he also started calling racist names to the dude's wall he drove into. Come dude, that's just stupid! I think you need to go get those stats of your's updated. Sounds like you only taking into account the situations YOU want to.

      Jeff Ndwala - 2011-06-24 12:03

      @Sooth Slayer: My brother, you are sooo out of tune with your statements or / comments. Can a bunch of "silly" ingnorant youngsters be "reprimanded" in the same manner as what a judge or youth leader is?? C'mon The taller the tree the more the wind it catches...responsibility brings consequences along...

      Warren - 2011-06-24 12:15

      @ Sooth Slayer: The only reason the drunk JUDGE'S case is still ongoing is coz, wait for it... he is "innocent". If he plead guilty & said he was sorry (& fixed the property he damaged) it would've all blown over in 2007 already. Pretty much the same can be said for his royal highness, the prince of darkness, Joooolius Dilema!!! Also the big difference that you conveniently have dismissed is that you are comparing students with a high standing member of the judiciary & the leader of the youth of the ruling political party. P.S. I am as disgusted with this incident as you are.

      Mandla - 2011-06-24 12:35

      Sooth slayer, i would love to see your responses to the below. i dare you

      senkgisha - 2011-06-24 12:35

      I wish you can say that too to Julias malema's apology!!!

      King FatAss - 2011-06-24 13:05

      Relax folks.....all that sooth slayer is saying is that the fine is too little!!! Its okay they got forgiven and all that BUT to get away with R10 000 each on average for a crime involving racial prejudices and human humiliation is PATHETIC! The judge should have trippled the fine!!!

  • Lebo - 2011-06-24 07:34

    Eish,let's hope they learnt their lesson. They're young shame,and didn't know better.I guess no one got killed, so no reason to shatter their future over something like that. I'm sure they've learnt their lesson from what they've already gone through...

      BAH - 2011-06-24 07:46

      Their futures are a bit shattered. They now have criminal records and it will ALWAYS be an issue....I am in two minds over this. Firstly thinking they should have known better and secondly, worst things were done to us during initiations in school, army and university. Its all fun until someone gets sued!

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:13

      @BAH. I cannot imagine workers would consider themselves part of an initiation culture. These people were not part of the student body, and therefore this was not an attempt to humiliate young kids, rather a humiliation of adult people the same age as some of the kid's parents. You cannot compare the two

      ProsAndCons - 2011-06-24 08:21

      Ah, Penada, so how come Malema was excused two years ago for some or other crass statements, by the ANC NEC of all people, who said, but he is still young? Can you only be young if you are black? Come on, get real.

      debrakayestylist - 2011-06-24 08:25

      Lebo you are a good man, to find forgiveness in your heart makes you a very strong and powerful man...sending respect!

      BAH - 2011-06-24 08:27

      @lenand40 You are right, all our initiations never involved staff members. They normally just stood on the side laughing and thinking "jeez I'm glad that is not me!". Now I am just thinking "They should have known better". Thanks for the correction

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-24 08:39

      Please don't speak dung ! So, why not let Malema be ?!!! Actions have consequences,and the quicker you learn that, the better.

      K_za - 2011-06-24 08:44

      I say an eye for an eye :)Make them drink...

      penada - 2011-06-24 08:53

      pros and cons.... what does malema have to do with this...

      Blink - 2011-06-24 08:54

      Jeez Penada you obviously don't have children. It is when they're students that they often make the biggest mistakes. But on the other hand - you sound like you're a perfect human being. Can u please sign your name on the poster I have of you hanging above my bed?

      Jeff Ndwala - 2011-06-24 09:14

      @Penada, hey you racist Who are you to call Lebo pathetic?? My brother here has made a point about how people and especially youngsters are prone to make mistakes. Have you ever been a student and played the fool with someone or may I not ask you this? Maybe I'll be called a pathetic .... as well....

      penada - 2011-06-24 09:35

      jeff and blink i am no racist and yes lebo's comment was very say pathetic i was euphamising. chidren have every right to be kids and to screw up within certain confines. it will never be acceptable for a child to kill their friend because they are angery, we willl never excuse such behaviour. similarly when a child scews up we punish them accordingly. now these 4 were not kids to begin with, do you people understand that. they were fully frown young adults at tertiary, therefore one assumes they had the mental capacity to be there in the 1st place. i have been a student myself...i went to KES, St johns, and UCT, i stayed at Smuts Hall, my point is i have been exposed to white culture, my brother went to tuks...i know white culture of initiation includes employees..furthermore obviously older people to u think they would have made them drink the piss if they were white...doesnt even matter, either way you have to draw a line somewhere...i can forgivbe them that with that right punishment...but you bloggers here and lebo to end up saying what you are saying. and you call me a racist brother?

      Kgomotso - 2011-06-24 09:54

      @Blah that was not Initiation. Initiation is between people of the same peer group student vs student etc. Kids who do that to adult are just dispectful. When two race are involved it is inspired by instilled or natural hate for the other race.

      BAH - 2011-06-24 10:49

      @Kgomotso. Yes, I get it and agree with you hence my second post further up correcting my first post. They were disrespectful. They got sentenced. The staff members can rest assured that they managed to make the rest of their lives hell by the burden of a criminal record. It will close a lot of doors for them. Can we let it rest now. I think punnishment will be a prolonged suffering for them.

      Jeff Ndwala - 2011-06-24 11:01

      @Penada Let me indulge you into some inside info, if I may... I've been a student at this campus and the public profile created in the media is so far away from what really goes on here. The cleaners / staff as you call them have been our "skwizas". A real and true "cameradery" of coexistance between us(the students) and the skwizas / our second mothers while being residents at the hostel was at the order of the day. I feel for these guys because I believe that their intentions were true. As a first year student and even before my time the "whities" went through much worse than the skwizas me when I state this, I speak with authority as being subjected to some of the initiation ceremonies. I took it in my stride and that "proves" to the elders / senior students your commitment as a resident of the house. I have never felt as if I was discriminated against or even that I was humiliated due to my skin colour or orientations, this was student initiation and fun at that. After the initiation process we were closer as a group and were able to relate more socially to the senior students as well. I know that these poor guys were being misrepreseted in their motives, their motives were, as I understund it, to "with tongue in cheek" integrate the skwizas into the hostel "fraternity". Be informed before you judge!! That's my opinion in any case...

      penada - 2011-06-24 11:17

      jeff, i respect your opinion and your obviously reconcilliatory tone, but read whats kgomotso said...initiation is between peers, people of the same age in the same community. initiation does not involve employees of the institution...while you were having a kinderd relationship with the staffers at school did you pull pranks on the staff, old enough to be your parent...i would like to think your parents raised you better than that 2) also did your friends ?(white and black) pull pranks on the older white staffers there?

  • Michael - 2011-06-24 07:41

    Justice is rigged favorably to those in power or wealthy, common man will get the stick... that's why Malema can get away with apologies to "all women with ( "I am sorry, sorry and very sorry about that") and more ridiculous statements, without paying fines or serving time! Clearly, we ALL know where this is heading.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:16

      Can you imagine what would have happened if Malema and Co had done this to white parents and then saw their fine reduced? I suspect Bheki would be the hero in this forum, instead of a villain troll

      Felix - 2011-06-24 08:40

      He is also meant to be paying a hefty 50k fine.

      Psalm - 2011-06-24 08:50

      @ Michael What planet are you on, Mike? Malema has been fined R50 000,00, has to apologise and pay legal costs. Fair judgment.

      Warren - 2011-06-24 12:37

      @ lenand40: You are correct about the uproar thing, however I am having trouble understanding how you can compare an elected leader of the youth of the most powerful & ruling political party to students??? Also, read the article again to determine just who reduced the fine, it might just remove a little more controversy from your equation.

  • RSA16 - 2011-06-24 07:48

    Bheki, it’s clear that you never went to school; your intelligence is on the same level as your 5 year old brothers and sisters. But I am sure it is not your fault as you don’t know who your father is and your mother and grandmother just never bother to send you to school. Long live SA!!!!!

      Bok Fan - 2011-06-24 08:21

      LOL Now this is an example of a total failure of reason. Sorry for you chump but clearly you are on the problem side of the ledger. How many times a day do you think/say the k word?

      Riaan - 2011-06-24 11:58

      Bok drol Get a life, chump. Whether a person says the k word (heavens forbid, call it by it's name) and how many times, is of no consequence to you.

      Blue - 2011-06-24 13:01

      I agree with Bok Fan... RSA16 you are a danger to society. SA will live longer without people like you. Bok Fan.. I like the way you write. ;-)

  • Philip Darne - 2011-06-24 08:00

    Hello Julius.........where are you??

  • Chris Swart - 2011-06-24 08:04

    Should have given them a bloody good hidding and left it at that

      tiger - 2011-06-24 08:33

      Chris I cannot agree with you more. A hiding would have had a better reaction that a fine.

  • MBSS (Meeste bulls supporters Suck) - 2011-06-24 08:04

    Can anyone please tell me why... For example in this article... “...humiliated five black workers in an...” it is mentioned when a “White” person does something to a “Black” person. Same happened with the Waterkloof 4. BUT, when a “Black” person do something to a “White” person it’s not mentioned? Why, why, why???

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:23

      Examples please? I was under the impression that everyone knew ET was white and his killers black and this has been mentioned several times.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 08:45

      @lenand40 speaking of ET murders... backs want the blacks to walk free on that charge and that was murder... they want the kids in this to be punished for a prank????

      Riaan - 2011-06-24 12:02

      YES! And please don't tell me these things don't happen to whites. I don't know what type of agenda the media is pushing, but they are threading on dangerous grounds.

  • patrice - 2011-06-24 08:04

    The workers should be fined for having been that naive as to have been caught up in this prank - do their champions give them absolutely no credit for being able to think for themselves ? Sadly the black judiciary endorse this fact.

      Linale - 2011-06-24 08:12

      U r talking rubish!!!

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:24

      You cannot fine people for being naive, otherwise what next? Fine people for being victims of crime, because they dared to expect to be safe in their own country, home, work place?

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 08:44

      @lenand40 if we could... then you'd get one hell of a fine

      Liberated - 2011-06-24 09:00

      Agreed, black folks should stop this whole thing of doing anything for money or worse still to impress white folks. Think about this, would they have agreed to do this whole thing if these boys were black. I have no pity for them for their stupidity - how can grown ups be naive to this extent? These are the type of people who would sell our hard fought freedom to the whites. I bet they were paid R1000 each to accept the students' apologies b'coz I would never in my life time accept such a publicity stance type apology

      African'shtr - 2011-06-24 10:01

      you stressed patrice because you did not make money last night.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-25 22:28

      patrice yes it seems these adults are treated like retarded kicks who need protection because they can't think for themselves.

  • Bok Fan - 2011-06-24 08:11

    I am glad they apologised. I am glad they are being punished. But they still owe the nation big time for having added to the stockpile of hatred ,contempt, fear and loathing in that particularly bizarre ritual of humiliation. Personally these guys would be candidats for the cane if I had my way. And to those who brush their behaviour off as a prank. Just put the boot on the other foot and imagine your mothers and aunts being put through something like this. All South Africans should learn from this that traducing relationships to slave and master no matter who is the slave and who is the master, will not stand in a democratic nation.

      VELOCITY - 2011-06-24 08:53

      You might be correct, but what do you suggest we do, put them against a wall and shoot them?

      Pieter - 2011-06-24 10:40

      @Bok Fan. I couldn't agree with you more.

  • Linale - 2011-06-24 08:19

    If the workers have forgiven them, i guess we have no choice but to forgive them!! we were not even there and know nothing abt wat transpired on that day except wat we saw on the footage!! As much as you can get stupid white pipol u can also get stupid black pipol!! before it is a race issue, it is a human kind issue!! This matter has been going on for too long now, they must just do their sentences and carry on with their lives!! There are other issues which need serious focus now!!

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:30

      If someone smash into me drunk, I may forgive them because of the person I am, but should society be subjected to another drunk driver?

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 08:43

      @lenand40 - again confusing criminal acts with pranks... I'd hate to see what happens if leon schuster ever tried to prank you.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-24 08:20

    Young Arrogant White A-holes... Cmon now, lets be fair about this...If it were blacks who committed these acts, respondants would not have been so forgiving !!

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:30

      Probably not

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 08:42

      @Currie_Mafia if it had been blacks this would never had made news, no one would have gone to court and we would not be discussing this.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-24 08:50

      Gobble gobble...turkeys and morgues are not synonymous to us South Africans... you're probably with the Oprah entourage...thanks for the wishes...

      Felix - 2011-06-24 08:50

      It wouldn't have made the news...

      Kenno - 2011-06-24 08:53

      Go tell that to Shabir you Currie Arsehole!

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-24 09:04

      Kenno..May God help you, cos you gonna need all the help you can get... Go tell that to Shabir...WTF, does that mean...

  • Zion - 2011-06-24 08:22

    There was no piss in anything. The court knows that, the victims know that the 4 offenders know that, We know that. There is a Malema-like mentality afloat to resurrect a ghost which never existed in the first place. Man, it sounds good, it sounds like you know your story and it sounds like you are on top of your story. All in the name of ignorance.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:31

      So, if someone robs a bank with an unloaded weapon, it should be OK, because there was no bullet?

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 08:41

      @lenand40 - wow you comparing crime to pranks... you need your head checked

      Felix - 2011-06-24 08:51

      Sorry lenand, that metaphor doesn't fit this situation...

      Dread69 - 2011-06-24 12:01

      @lenand40 - it wouldn't be ok since you still robbed the bank. However, you can't be punished for carrying a loaded weapon. In saying that, the students have been punished for the humiliation, but you cannot keep accusing them of forcing the workers to drink piss!

  • hubert.camien - 2011-06-24 08:23

    I hope this saga will end they have been humiliated enough. Nobody got killed...people being murdered is much worse Life goes on.....

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:38


      Riaan - 2011-06-24 12:05

      Not for blecks. For them humiliation and racism is worse than being killed or raped.

  • Danie - 2011-06-24 08:23

    Still too harsh on the 4. Should never went to courts in the first place...

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-24 08:33

      A lawless society,...wouldn't that be great..NOT !

      tiger - 2011-06-24 08:37

      I agree Danie. These workers were stupid enough to take part in this prank. Typical black mentality.

  • Made_In_SA - 2011-06-24 08:34

    I want to know why these ADULT workers were not working as they were paid to do instead of playing silly buggers and dodging their duties? Has anybody bother to discipline them for not doing as they were employed to do? And since when do adults listen to youngsters? Were they forced to partake? Me thinks the workers were in it for the free booze and the excuse not to work!

  • Ingie - 2011-06-24 08:36

    Well this has been going on and on and you would swear they had committed murder. What about all the rapists, thieves, murderers that all get off scott free. Reasons is they are whites. They are wasting our tax money with all these courst cases. Same with Jub Jub and his mate - they killed the children they were drunk, they had taken drugs so put them in jail. How long is this going to take before its over and then guess what, will walk away scott free, maybe with a little fine of R10,000 after killing the children, which has affected the parents a great deal. The above case to me is like an initiation which is done in most schools with the students.

  • Staalbal - 2011-06-24 08:40

    This whole thing was blown out of proportion

  • Versace - 2011-06-24 08:42

    With that sentence/fine made, what will the victims get for their humiliation, I think they need to be compensated!!!

  • Susannomore - 2011-06-24 08:44

    They remain scum... Well trained in the right words to use.

      DW - 2011-06-24 09:38

      Mmmm Susan, funny those were exactly my thoughts in the Malema hate speech trial re "kill the boer". He has been well trained in the right words to use, but he remains scum too. There is scum on both sides.

  • Liberated - 2011-06-24 08:46

    I liked it when I read all your comments. Its easy to tell who is black and who is white. As i have always said black and white will never get along thats why these two colours are opposites. White folks do not like black folks - thats a fact. As is always said by the ANCYL, our juidicial system is pro - white, our constituiton is pro white so were is the freedom. If you look at that whole silly truth and reconcilliation commission, who was it meant to benefit? These white folks are very clever and calculating. As long as we continue using their laws we will never be emancipated from both social and economic slavery. Am sure Afriforum youth will be paying the fines for them.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 09:00

      @Liberated and we can see who's and idiot... hello idiot. I have no problem with blacks, I have a problem with idiots who cant use thier brains.

      DW - 2011-06-24 09:40

      Actually liberated, you dont sound very liberated to me. I like people of any colour. I dislike idiots intensely. You appear to be one of those that I would dislike. Just because you are racist, dont make everyone else out to be so

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-25 22:03

      You sound like the sort of African that doesn't want the Rule of Law to prevail. I suggest you google the term. If you want to live in anarchy, war and full complete independence without any smidgin of Western life go live in Congo or Nigeria or Somalia or Zimbabwe? I mean get away from everything Western if you think its a good idea.

  • sense. - 2011-06-24 09:00

    This is a Joke. they must pay for their doings.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-25 22:08

      Like the group of black youth who kicked the white youths during the initiation ceremony paid? Ah, no action taken because thats OK? Please don't touch the fragile dignity of black people but kicking white kids is wholly acceptable and good for you? What about the daily hate speech directed towards white people, which causes them to live in fear? You don't worry about that do you? Maybe once the majority in control of the country starts working towards peace and starts respecting the law instead of murdering and killing and raping everything in sight we can start looking at the wrongs 4 youths committed against willing participants who were too happy to be included in the act.

  • ProMalema100 - 2011-06-24 09:11

    I am glad the ANC is taking the country in the direction it's going, the sooner we gain finacial freedom the better because OUR parents will not be humiliated the way these poor, poor as in literaly, Parents were treated by these brats. So i say ayi hlome ihlasele, The ANCYL, should take over and take over now, for our people to be treated with respect. President Malema, I say let's accelerate the taking over process, JZ and all these other OLS caders are taking way too long. Let's take over and show them NOW.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 09:23

      @ProMalema100 - yes try take over, you'll be the first I put in the grave

      Ching Ching - 2011-06-24 12:41

      Ha, check out this idiot Pro-whatever, he gives himself a thumbs-up!!

      ProMalema100 - 2011-06-24 13:52

      ching, I want to take over so I can pee in your mother's Tea.

      ProMalema100 - 2011-06-24 13:56

      @Bloodbane, the only grave you will put me in is the one you would have created in your racist mind. In reality I will F**k u up. I can give you my details where i stay and then take it from there, I am not afraid of any white piece of S**t....

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 14:05

      @ProMalema100 - when and where...bring your friends, you'll need them. trust me, you wont leave alive

  • Ryno - 2011-06-24 09:14

    how about we use all this time and money on the farm murders!

  • 7dust - 2011-06-24 09:14

    The crime of crimen injuria was not committed if the victims voluntarily participated, which is the case here. There didn't appear to me to be any intention to humiliate. This is a legal requirement. Having opted to plead guilty, they made this a non-issue. A good hiding would have been sufficient punishment. Their lives are now ruined and this is too harsh a sanction for what they did.

  • Totman - 2011-06-24 09:22

    You all get led by your noses. When a incident in Jhb happened[ remember the water slide thing ] no reporter runs his legs of to continue to cover it day and night. As soon as they discover the story in the Cape is black vs brown they lost interest as well. The main fact is that these students were taken something further than students. They involved adults and employees Through that they shown that they did not respect their elders. If there was a white among them I am sure that person would have also been subjected to there action. They clearly thought that they are a higher class due to their financial position. The fact that the lack of respect,for elders from another colour, that were absent also did not helped. Saying all this, we should accept that they are punished and we should move on. My main point is that when it is black vs white the media make effort to place numerous reports and even ride the wave long afterwards. Why? Money. They do not care a f#ck about you and me. Our effort to work together. It is just another payday and a profit to hunt. They will never put the report in such a way to offend anyone, but they will allowed you and me to rev each other up. They know black people are sensitive about these incidents and whites will throw the whole farm with the farmer still on it at them, but the also knows that this is selling papers and advertising space. Why can't the people trolling not be removed from this blog? Media24 knows their IP address.Think!

      Pieter - 2011-06-24 10:57

      Coming to think about it, you're right. The media is the one fueling this racial tension. If a situation is about Black v Black or White v White then there's no hype around it. As soon as a White person kills a black person or vice vesa....then the whole country is up in arms against each other and who's standing to gain from the whole mess?? The always. That's why at this moment we are at each other's throats and the responses here are all about race. To me...this is getting boring now. I think we should try to contain ourselves from letting the media rev us up and find ourselves on different fences only because the media wants to sell. I think we can do better than letting our emotions, fueled by an unknown journalist get the better of us.

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-06-24 09:25

    To be honest, I think this was far to light, there should have been proper jail time for these guys. Although with that said, the Julius Malema and co need to face some serious jail time too. I feel we are far to easy on racist behaviour. We are becoming polarised to an extent that is irreversible, we need to break the will of racist scum bags. I know since the collapse is coming, it really makes no difference to the outcome of South Africa if they are punished but I feel as a species that is striving to one day be civilised, humanity can not afford to be nice to these kinds of evil people. Civility at its core is the absence of evil and injustice. What they did was pure evil.

  • WhoopyDo - 2011-06-24 09:26

    Amazing... People like Malema, most probably the most evil person currently on this planet, gets away with insults and war talk, etc, but people like the Reitz 4 get punished for insulting a few workers! I blame the media for all this crap! They started making a fuss, as uaual!!!

      William - 2011-06-24 10:54

      You are indeed a complete nicompoop. You want to tell us that they should get away with it? Wait until Malema becomes President of SA then you will know how we deal with punks like these.

  • MikelPh - 2011-06-24 09:27

    One question that I've asked myself after watching the whole video was why is that the cleaners just took these boys' nonsense? It is sad but it is true that if these were black students treating the cleaners this way the cleaners would have told them where to get off to. A lot of black people still see white people as being superior to them even if it's a little kid. I believe a lot of it has to do with the history of this country. I don't know how exactly but we have to change this country's mind set. As long as we see ourselves as victims nothing is going to change. As long as we hope the government is the key to a successful SA nothing is going to change. Change your mind set and things around you will start to change. If only these cleaners had the confidence and knowledge of who they really are we would have never heard of this story.

      Daemos1 - 2011-06-24 10:04

      If only mike, these are people who have been beaten down, denied education and thrust into a life of servitude, there's little time for self actualization when you're barely surviving on minimum wage and have no prospects for the future. You sem very optomistic but a bit naiive at the same time

  • Nawe - 2011-06-24 09:37

    Death Sentence must be brought back! Enough is Enough!

  • African - 2011-06-24 09:43

    I just love the way Malema is to white people, He is your stomach pill. You people you keep mentioning his name in your comments. Viva Malema viva. Please Malema stand for president of SA, you will definetly wash the dirt out from our beautiful country.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-25 22:14

      Like Nongqawuse?

  • simodi - 2011-06-24 09:46

    their mentors are the boeremag they tried to escape,wish the can give them 10 years in prison.Bloody agent.

  • dvanderwalt - 2011-06-24 09:47

    Just shows the mentality and the way we as humans perceive the world we live in. Can't we just stop looking at colour and see each others as human beings. This should have been a case of 4 students giving workers stuff to do. Not 4 Whites giving Blacks stuff to do. As long as we all see colour the situation as it stands (hatred) will live on and it will not get better. I think(hope) we all want it to be better place for ourselves to live and for our kids to grow up in.

      Daemos1 - 2011-06-24 09:58

      It was a case of 4 degenerates dehumanising people who didn't deserve such shocking treatment, but life goes on ne,at least no workers will have this happen to them in future

  • Daemos1 - 2011-06-24 09:57

    These bys are human filth and they should consisder themselves very lucky they got off so lightly

  • penada - 2011-06-24 10:02

    bloodbane, again news24 censured our little discussion...hmmm

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 10:07

      I dont think they like our debate... this is not a black and white thing, they just dont like us..

      penada - 2011-06-24 10:23

      lol, i was so angry with you and you just made me laugh! not so bad after

      ShRoOm PoPsiCLe - 2011-06-24 10:25

      Yip, my comments were removed too - I feel violated.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 11:37

      @penada - I notice a few comments above someone is using the F word...that stays but our harmless debate gets removed, there is no sense to this. I try not get angry cause then I get nasty and then I regret what I've said.... which means I regret alot of what I say.

      penada - 2011-06-24 12:09

      true that, sometimes it does get to one isnt that they are getting off so lightly actually that hurts my feelings, its the bloggers here...same as the xenophobic attacks, that has hurt me more than anything this yr, to see a whole community, with people of different ages, hit someone until they condone such, it is even worse because these people are of my race, and cultural group (what happened in limpopo, i am Pedi). wrong/crime hath no colour

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-24 12:32

      @penada - that makes my blood boil to, mob mentality. irrespective of colour or race or anything that should never happen. And having children there watching!!! I get your point, groups of people and attacking a point. and it does get that way on any type of forum, at least here it's just words and while words might hurt they only hurt if you choose to let them. IN a lot of case's it's take one troll to start a heated argument, I usually jump in because I actually enjoy the debate side. Plus it gives me something to do when I'm meant to be working.

  • TSaR - 2011-06-24 11:22

    Sooth Slayer, If I neared retirement and got a salary for the duration of the trial which will take forever, I think I'd also become a racist, I dont know about the drunk driving bit.

  • TSaR - 2011-06-24 11:33

    Sooth Slayer, If I neared retirement and got a salary for the duration of the trial which will take forever, I think I'd also become a racist, I dont know about the drunk driving bit. Posters, these workers werent forced to eat and drink against their will. They participated. They were charged with crimen injuria, not assault, intimidation and crimen injuria. There should never have been charges at all. They accepted a bottle of whisky in exchange.

  • mosis splitsea - 2011-06-24 12:06

    How about I urinate into a cup or something and let each one of those inbreeders drink up may be then I could sympathize with them.

  • Sizwe - 2011-06-24 13:18

    When all is said and done you cannot justify the demeaning of any person, no matter the intention. Whether its was a joke or not no one really knows but no one who has responded on these boys behalf would stand for their mother or sister being treated like that. The question of whether their conduct is excusable or even acceptable, can only be answered by a simple test; had someone poured urine or mockingly poured a substance akin to such, and made a video of it would you find their conduct acceptable and merely being childish, if you can truely answer yes, then we know where the problem is..... The sad thing here is that whites claim to have brought civilisation, but they seem to have mastered savagery instead...

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-25 22:23

      Post-Apartheid South Africa where violence, murder and rape has become the norm and a video filmed as a joke seems savage to you? No wonder the country is in this state because of the utter logic fail. Sure my mom and sister won't participate in such a video, because they won't laugh during it and smile during it like the willing black participants did. Obviously it is in bad taste and just plain stupid, but it is far from racist. Racist is the video of the white kids laying on the floor getting kicked by black students during initiation, but nothing came of it because violence and fear is the norm and acceptable for the majority.

  • Sizwe - 2011-06-24 13:22

    If any sane white person can sympathise with these boys, and reconcile themselves with what they have done, then you finally know how some black people can support Malema, because the same thing that motivates you to overlook their wrong is the same thing that JuJu's supporters do...

  • Bheki - 2011-06-24 13:53

    they should be sent back to europe wit the rest of teh colonialists that are ALL thieves and racists AMANDLA VIVA :_)

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-25 22:33

      lol we should also encourage all Bantus to go back to Congo where Africans are having a hell of a time being themselves free from anything Western.

  • SPACEBOI - 2011-06-24 13:53

    I did not know apartheid still exist until I got here.

  • Bheki - 2011-06-24 13:54

    i would make them drink two step to show they are sory hahahahaha

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-26 05:50

      ..and you'd take pleasure from it, sadist. This means you're no better.

  • SPACEBOI - 2011-06-24 13:56

    Everything was blown out of proportion, it was an incident, they have been humiliated enough I WISH U CAN SAY THE SAME THING ACROSS ALL RACES.

  • I_Say - 2011-06-24 14:48

    This kind of thing used to be the norm when we were still "Suid Afrika" where this would have probably been swept under the carpet like everything else back then. ... oh, how Times have changed :-)

  • 50something - 2011-06-24 15:10

    Enough already, please close this chapter. I think more harm was done by politisising the issue than by the actual events.

  • Heks - 2011-06-24 16:09

    Sorry, my personal opinion A load of crap that the Reitz residence had to be closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Des - 2011-06-25 23:12

    To penada.Yes, a very unsavoury action. However, they did not drink urine. The "poor joke" was that it was a video made to look as if they had done so. The innocence of the "skwizas" will burn into these students heads for the rest of the students lives. The majority of RSA citizens support these "skwizas" and even more so by hearing that they have accepted the students apology. An apology is recognised by words that come from the heart. The lesson here is no matter how important your station in life, you must always care for the "unfortunates".

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  • AdamC - 2011-06-26 01:17

    Look, its a moerse issue hey. But if we want to be fair, then do the same with all these cases, give them their day in the sun, investigate and let justice be swift. Just include all the offenders, the killing bitch that parades around in her wanne be white hair do, her basterd son that cant put a nail in a piece of wood... the whole lot. Funny how we proudly brought these boys to justice but the legends of darkness walk free.