Remove insults to the movement: YCL

2012-05-29 13:23

Johannesburg - If the Goodman Gallery does not remove all symbols that insult the ANC and its affiliates, it would be closed down, the Young Communists' League told protesters in Johannesburg on Tuesday.

"The movement has always promoted freedom of expression, but you cannot denigrate important figures," the league's national secretary Buti Manamela told a crowd who had marched on the gallery in Rosebank.

He told the crowd, which stretched for over three city blocks, that "the movement was opposed to the painting".

The gallery is currently hosting an exhibition by Brett Murray called Hail to the Thief II. Many of the works criticise the ruling party, implying it has "sold out" to corruption.

The focus of Tuesday's march was Murray's now-defaced work The Spear, which depicted President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed. It is Murray's interpretation of a Russian propaganda poster depicting Marxist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin.

A speaker from the SA Council of Churches said the protest was aimed at the gallery and the artist. In a statement on the SACC website Rev Mautji Pataki said the council found the painting "distasteful in the extreme".

"The picture is not only denigrating to President Zuma alone, but to all those who respect fellow human beings and never express their feelings in a hateful manner to anyone."

He said the artwork was a classic picture of what hate could achieve when it ruled the mind.

"President Zuma, even if Goodman Gallery hold a different view to what he represents, does not deserve to be undressed in public and made to be an object at a time when his task is to lead our nation," he said.

The SACC would be happy to receive a public apology from those who designed the "dehumanising picture", Pataki added.

  • Sharon - 2012-05-29 13:27

    "If the Goodman Gallery does not remove all symbols that insult the ANC and its affiliates, it would be closed down" Hang on a minute - is that a threat? How do they intend closing it down? I think the YCL is wayyyyy out of line...

      procold2 - 2012-05-29 13:31

      spot on sharon, the idiots are only trying their hand at intimidation, wouldnt scare me one bit.

      Fussed - 2012-05-29 13:36

      Lets remove all history about the anc so our future generations cant see how stupid there fourfathers (or 24 fathers) were. However the rest of the World will have that history and the anc will still be the laughing stock of the world, weather you like it or not. A@#^holes

      Luviwe - 2012-05-29 13:40

      Is this the kind of democracy that the likes of Steve Biko died for? What a shame.

      Zambezi - 2012-05-29 14:00

      Yes we can!

      Fussed - 2012-05-29 14:08

      "The picture is not only denigrating to President" No he does that all by himself

      Fussed - 2012-05-29 14:29

      I think the anc has forgoten about the elections that are comming up. They are going round in circles trying to fix things, they will forget about the elections. Clowns around the ringmaster

      sean.noble1 - 2012-05-29 14:59

      Heres the kicker, the ANC is very worried about JZ's d@#ck hanging around in public, even though he is a rapist. But they have no problem whatsoever with him being depeicted as Stalin. And as far as the youth league is concerend, make no mistake, these children are being indoctranated with violent ideals, they are getting tought that if something doesnt go your way use violence to do it. It becomes their natural train of thought and they will eventually go out of the league and into the ANC with violent communistic ideals. They are more dangerous than most give them credit for. Look at what Hitler did with his youthleague, The idea was to indoctronate as many people as possible with Nazi ideals and raise them to be party people no matter what. The current youth league is no different. And in my humble opinion children should be children, these youth leagues should be banned, they dont encourage democracy they encourage loyalty to a singular party regardless of their political social and moral capability as well as viewpoints. Let children be children and let educated adults vote, and get involved in politics.

      Cadre - 2012-05-29 15:23

      @sean.noble1. Last I checked Zuma was acquitted of Rape.

      Alan - 2012-05-29 16:03

      Communists have always been a disaster wherever their failed ideology has been. So the Young Commnunists have obviously not read up on history. You are going to 'close down' the Goodman Gallery? Right. Do you think this is Cuba or North Korea - another two brilliant examples of Communist success?

      Zulu - 2012-05-29 16:40

      Do you guys have the work to do?

      trevor.roberts.148 - 2012-05-29 21:09

      @ cadre. the rape decision was an absolute joke. Any ordinary citizen would have been found guilty. It was on a par with the Mugger of the Nation getting away with the Stompie situation.

  • dave.leverton - 2012-05-29 13:28

    Can we close down the ANC for insulting the citizens in the country ?

      JAbu.R15 - 2012-05-29 13:33

      Good call seconded comrade!

      procold2 - 2012-05-29 13:40

      the power was given to the people in 1994, lets use it wisly and lets convince our freinds, colleagues and neighbores that the anc sucks and should be voted out its the only way.

      Vlad - 2012-05-29 14:40


      kooveng - 2012-05-29 15:06

      @procold2 - Do you honestly think these morons will hand over power just like that? Look what a painting has done, imagine when that day comes.. God be with SA,

  • eil33nn - 2012-05-29 13:29

    What is your stance on William ANCYL and the picture he did of Hellen Zille? Is she not an important figure?

  • riaan.coetzee1 - 2012-05-29 13:30

    What "movement"? With the amount of crap they sprout, it must be The Bowel Movement.

  • gareth.jones.7771 - 2012-05-29 13:31

    Remember the days when South Africa was a democracy?

  • Erna - 2012-05-29 13:33

    I was looking for a word that covers what all these supporters of Zuma are sprouting, and pontificate seems like a good one.

      Compos - 2012-05-29 15:37

      It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. Thomas Sowell

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-29 19:51

      @ Erna.."Pontificate".. Way to mild..Corruption..Theiving, Nepotism ect are also too mild but more to the point. Good effort though.

      Alf - 2012-05-29 20:54

      Just don't ask anybody from the ANC leadership to spell it, you might be branded a racist for using words that are not african!

  • terry.burne - 2012-05-29 13:34

    Democracy - Africa style!!! If we don't get what we want we use threats to get what we want. Underlying it all is the ANC rent-a-mob thugs who will enforce their will - No disagreement is tolerated.

      Konstabel - 2012-05-29 14:18

      Rent-a-mob is very appropriate, thanks to the ANC's dismal performance there are lots of unemployed people in SA who will go and march for any cause if they are promised a free meal.

  • Janette - 2012-05-29 13:34

    once again the thugs have spoken. So can we expect all the ANC images to be removed that insult me. Like the street name changes,Winnie Mandela,Zuma etc the list is endless

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-29 20:01

      ..Those name-changes will become the prime targets of vandals.. just give it enough time..and as the opposition gradually takes over the municipalities they will change them no real concern except for the wasted money that these changes cost the taxpayer

  • Christiaan Kroezen - 2012-05-29 13:34

    this is seriously getting pathetic, who can we piss off in alcaida to get their attention set on this country and its leaders!!!

      Alf - 2012-05-29 20:57

      Do we have leaders?

  • eil33nn - 2012-05-29 13:36

    I feel we are back in the middel ages, where the church ruled over everything, and yes even ART. Don't get me wrong, i have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, but the church is losing the plot!

  • winston.mullany - 2012-05-29 13:37

    And you wonder why this continent can never go forward!

  • dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-29 13:37 Oh, thought I heard someone speak....probably just a fart

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-29 13:40

    Oh heavens! Another lot of flies on the wall share their threats. This country is drowning in ignorance. We are doomed.

  • franco.beukman - 2012-05-29 13:43

    Ppl of south africa our country is being attacked nd we stand idle looking being destroyed. Is one man worth the future off this really wot we want for our country ?

  • nkulu.bgumede - 2012-05-29 13:45

    Buti Manamela... did you not learn from your forma comrade Julius Malema? such threats are not taken lightly. if you think that youre next in line for the ANCYL presidency, think again.

  • Liana - 2012-05-29 13:48

    This whole issue is after the fact, the march is too late...the painting is gone, the YCL , well they might as well be YMCA for the song they sing is not their own and all those idiots travelling from far is just in JHB to mess and to have an day outing LOL. I wonder how many of them can even spell gallery. oh well, at least we know where a few thousand of them are today.

  • EMPEROR.NKOSI - 2012-05-29 13:50

    ...What a yawn-feast! Thank goodness for the constitution that recognises individualism, I wouldn't want to be classified under a Youth that perpetuates its stance with a lot of verbal diarrhoea.

  • ian.levinson.7 - 2012-05-29 13:50

    moronic wannabee money loving commies, oh wait a sec they dont even know the difference between communism or democracy, get back to junior woodwork class, uneducated morons, you were even late for your own march, how retarded is that?????????????????????

  • randomhero6661 - 2012-05-29 13:53

    @anc ,ycl, and affiliates. You people are delusional, and like little kids, sadly you will perish under your "leader" so go ahead. crying foul, ah they insult our ancestors and and and and... weh weh tsek! its fair to say you are looking for attention or votes? you choose!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-29 20:20

      Got a gut feeling that this Zuma prick may just go the same way as Binito Mussoline and his wife. His own people who lauded him for years turned against him and strung him upside down and in the nude. Problem is they might not enough poles for the all the wives!

  • Carolyn - 2012-05-29 13:54

    Who died and made you boss, that is definitely a threat to the owner of a private business you would not be happy if you were told that you fool so don't threaten others!

  • Wickus - 2012-05-29 13:55

    I'm guessing the next step for them will be to close the internet down as well. ROFL. google will just laugh at them.

  • Loo - 2012-05-29 13:56

    Why not just remove Zuma ... problem solved

      Cadre - 2012-05-29 14:33

      Zuma stays, you GO....

      Fussed - 2012-05-29 15:01

      @ Cadre, were you realy born or just a FREE anc issue

      Cadre - 2012-05-29 15:16

      @Fussed. Issued or not. ANC Rules....figuratively and literally....

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-30 00:11

      @Loo, cadre is the lost luv child of the hooker that worked on the corner of Jeppe street. I guess you right, he is an ALL NATIONAL CRIMINAL PARTY free issue!

      Cadre - 2012-05-30 10:28

      @Nicolaas, Facts ANC rules because the majority voted for it, your comment about me is merely an insult, I can live with that....

  • chris.abrahamse.5 - 2012-05-29 13:57

    When will people realize that we are only a "nominal" democracy ?

      emile.marais - 2012-05-29 15:22

      Only too true Chris.

  • Siegeknives - 2012-05-29 14:08

    March for peace, march for a cause, build bridges, don't burn them. The more these idiots fight, the more people will disagree with what they are doing.

  • Nomfundo - 2012-05-29 14:14

    Where is the SACC when the country is drowning under corruption leading to poverty and desperation?? A new born baby was found in a drain in Tshwane today; anyone cares? SACC, you such hypocrites, you just want to partner up with the devil by having a cosy relationship with the ANC. You will burn in hell for deceiving your church followers.

  • wesleywt - 2012-05-29 14:19

    You can and must denigrate leaders. Mandela said as long as Africans worship their chiefs they will always be poor.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-29 14:38

    I'm not implying the ruling party sold out to corruption, I'm stating it as a fact. Wonder how they intend shutting the Gallery down? resorting to violence will simply set off tit for tat reprisals and as history tells us its usually the innocent that die when that happens. I also think that the statement by the commie pigs is nothing short of a direct threat, and should be responded to as such.

  • Matthew - 2012-05-29 14:38

    When our president task is to run the country",you mean bring south africa right down in the ditches and stealing as much as he and his cronies can,then sure,he's busy runing a nation.

  • tom.vorster - 2012-05-29 14:41

    Viva the benevolent leader Josef Stalin, much admired by the YCL and murderer of millions.

  • rory.short1 - 2012-05-29 14:53

    The YCL is getting a different message from the painting from what the artist intended I am sure. It is most unfortunate that it is understanding it as a general smear on black people and their aspirations. In contrast I see the many individuals in government who practice corruption, who are slovenly in their work etc etc as the real smear on the aspirations of all South Africans.

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-05-29 16:14

      Exactly! Very thing is an attack on their color, can't see the satire in the paintings because most of them don't understand or haven't been taught that..

  • Provence - 2012-05-29 14:56

    If the ANC and Jacob Zuma were secure about who they are, they would simply laugh this off as a joke from an artist. Most artists are jokes looking to make a statement. Get a life, build a bridge and get over it.

  • Cadre - 2012-05-29 14:56

    ANC Majority Everyone else minority What you say matters...less!!!

      emile.marais - 2012-05-29 15:33

      Majority today, minority tomorrow. Be warned! This is not my words or my thoughts, but it is a historical FACT. Eventually, all empires fall.

      Cadre - 2012-05-29 15:43

      @emile.marais. True I agree 100%, just look at the apartheid government.

      emile.marais - 2012-05-29 16:03

      Yes, and the same can happen to the ANC government...

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-05-29 16:12

      So for you because your the majority what you think and say is what goes? No matter if it's right or wrong? Please. The wheel will turn it always does. Can't wait

      Cadre - 2012-05-29 16:15

      @emile.marais. Sadly (for some) not in our lifetime.

      Cadre - 2012-05-29 16:23

      @Emily-jane Elson. I think that is the basic principle in a democracy, the majority rules. Until you have a majority and we are the minority, you can resort to ruling and we can resort to the racist comments (like most comments on IOL and News 24). Voila...

      ro.jhb.1 - 2012-05-29 17:13

      It does matter... less - cause with that attitude we will continue drawing dicks with a person on it!

      emile.marais - 2012-05-30 15:46

      I don't mind if it doesn't happen in MY life time. FACT is, their 'empire' will fall, ONE DAY.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-05-29 16:26

    What all of the marchers are doing are a perfect picture of people following like sheep. So of the Rev or Zuma says, jump in the fire, they will probalby do that as well. As for threats! They have been doing it ever since before 1976, so why would it stop them now. Hell some people just never learn!

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-05-29 17:06

    Cadre and Zambezi - you are like little sheep on the way to slaughter. I have seen this before in independent Africa. Do you think its not by design that very few (Zimbabwe is one but almost finished) liberation movements are still in office. Sheep like you eventually get overtaken by intelligent people and you are left with nothing. Like 80% unemployed Zimbabweans will attest to.

      Cadre - 2012-05-30 10:47

      @ro.jhb.1. Well if I don't support your point of view it does not necessarily make me ignorant and unintelligent. Put forward an intelligent debate on what is the alternative for an average black person besides the ANC. Your interests and my interests are different. I agree with time when a viable alternative comes people will shift but for now the ANC will do. Until you guys learn to respect us Zimbabwe is inevitable....and trust me we both loose. Whilst you feel cosy with other commentators on news 24 and IOL expressing a certain view, i can guarantee you that the majority hold my point of view (they just do not comment on this platform, clearly this platform (news 24 and IOL) is for a certain demography)....

  • arne.verhoef - 2012-05-29 18:07

    We had such a beautiful country...

  • ninjacraig - 2012-05-29 18:27

    Sad part is these idiots will burn it down if promised an ANC t-shirt and 2 KFC chicken breasts. Thug mentality.

  • Neville - 2012-05-29 20:40

    I would like to respond in this fashion to people airing their viewpoints Isn't it amazing that George Carlin - wrote something so very eloquent & so very appropriate The paradox of our time is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider Freeways , but narrower viewpoints. We buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses & smaller families. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've added years to life not life to years. We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. These are the times of steep profits & shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, overweight bodies, & pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you, because that person soon will grow up Remember, to say, 'I love you', but most of all mean it. A kiss an embrace will mend hurt only when it comes from deep inside of you Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind. Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moment that takes our breath away

  • Jack - 2012-05-29 21:10

    Remove insults? Ok, you are all now white..ha ha ha

  • Clive - 2012-05-30 08:54

    What else could we expect from this totally irrelevant bunch? Clearly they hanker after the old Soviet Union days.

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