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Rhodes Must Fall campaign gains momentum at UCT

2015-03-23 21:34

Cape Town - University of Cape Town students are demanding that management make public its stance on their calls to have the statue of Cecil John Rhodes destroyed.

According to City Press the students are also demanding that Vice Chancellor Dr Max Price convene an urgent council meeting on Friday to discuss their request to have the statue razed to the ground.

These two demands are contained in a memorandum that the students submitted to the university’s management this afternoon, following a mass meeting. The meeting, he said, was attended by more than 600 people.

Student Representative Council member Ramabina Mahapa said: “The vice chancellor should call a special meeting on Friday. We also need management to give us their positions on the matter. Do they want the statue destroyed or what.”

As the campaign to have the statue moved enters its the third week, students have now upped the ante by occupying the Bremner building, the university’s administration block. The occupation began on Friday, and Mahapa said the staff had to use a different building this morning.

Calls for the statue to be destroyed surfaced three weeks ago after a student had tossed the statue with human excrement. They claimed that it represented what Rhodes stood for: racism and white supremacy.

Price said that, personally, he thought the statue should be removed from the centre of the university because it gave the impression that the institution is proud of Rhodes and his achievements.

But Ramabina said Price’s personal opinion was little comfort.

“The VC has given us his personal view, but it is not binding and it doesn’t assist. He can go to council and change his views. They need to show us commitment. We have been talking to them about this for a long time and nothing has happened; we need to know their stance on the issue.”

Facebook group

Students have created a Facebook page called Rhodes Must Fall. They are also driving the campaign through Twitter, under #RhodesMustFall.

The campaign has spilt over to Rhodes University in Grahamstown, in the Eastern Cape. Students at Rhodes are calling for management to change the university’s name. They have complained about institutional racism, an alienating culture and lack of transformation.

Last week the students met with Vice Chancellor Dr Sizwe Mabizela and discussed some of the issues.

Student Representative Council president Siyanda Makhubo said, based on that meeting, students would submit a memorandum of demands to management on Wednesday.

“The name change is a serious issue. Rhodes is a symbol of our past. But it looks like the university is not committed and not ready for transformation. Rhodes was a genocidal racist. He exploited the people of Southern Africa,” Makhubo said. The institution’s culture and curriculum were exclusionary in nature.

“We demand curriculum changes; we want to learn about Robert Sobukwe, Steve Bantu Biko, Thabo Mbeki and South Africa’s aspirations.

Last week, Mabizela told City Press that the issue of changing the name had not come before council. He said he would not express his personal opinion because it would compromise him when the matter came up for debate.

 

Comments
  • Sarah Montague - 2015-03-23 21:45

    They can protest all they want, UCT needs permission to remove the statue because its a monument. People need to stop rehashing the past already. The guy is dead and gone and everything he lived for failed. Celebrate it.

      Beckie Knight - 2015-03-24 08:21

      Really, Sarah - take off your blinkers!! If it weren't for colonialism (and apartheid) there would BE NO SOUTH AFRICA. You don't need a university degree to understand THAT!

      Claus Mog - 2015-03-24 09:21

      If they feel that strongly about it they should simply leave the university to make space for people who want to learn. After all, that's what a university is there for, not to demonstrate for their skewed view on the world.

      Jonathan Woods - 2015-03-24 10:03

      Having read through the comments one has to ask, are the diametrically opposing views simply on racial loyalty or are we really utterly so different that even our minds work in completely different realities. And not just with this article but most where there is free comment, one group's general understanding , logic and interpretive abilities appear to be so completely different from everyone else. This is actually been of such interest that many renowned scientists have been struggling with this for years, but so far have not been able to pinpoint a specific factor that causes it. So at the moment all we know is that it exists. Then I would also ask whether this has been responsible for the constant development of most races except for the African races. But whatever it is the differences obviously are much more than mere colour !

      Michael Steynberg - 2015-03-24 10:22

      Although jumping sounds like an easy way out of this mess, our forefathers knew that this was not an option for them. They hung in there even though, percentage wise when it comes to population quantities, the odds were exactly what they are today. The difference is, they were not waiting to be pushed... THEY PUSHED BACK, and may I say, with MUCH success. You will find that the majority of the British-ancestored South Africans have a somewhat dividing influence among the caucasian population here. This is not their fault however. It stems from the British loosing the war against the Boers and since then they were working quite hard at undermining this country. As time passed it became a mindset and NOT A CONSCIOUS EFFORT. So, my hope is that the more "liberal" caucasian South Africans will see that they are not immune to the typical xenophobic behaviour of the so-called indigenous population. They will be attacked based on their skin colour and NOT based on their heritage or allegiances. May this common threat unite us finally. PS: PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS COMMENT IS IN NO WAY MEANT TO OFFEND ANY BRITISH FOLK.

      Gideon Van Der Walt - 2015-03-24 11:22

      Why don't they say anything about Shaka Zulu, who killed, tortured and enslaved the black people for his own gain, but no he can have a whole memorial site in KZN. What about Zulu privilege against the Xhosa's? Why aren't the Xhosa's making a scene as well? Hypocrites to say the least!

      Dunte Devante - 2015-03-24 14:03

      This idea that blacks need to be grateful to their oppressors is extremely offensive and insensitive to say the least. But then again, most commentators on this site have never been oppressed, they've only ever been the oppressors hence they will always speak from a perspective of superiority and ignorance instead of addressing the real issues. A statue is something erected to honour and remember a person... Rhodes was not honorable, nor is he worth remembering, so why preserve his stupid statue? Big-ups to the color-blind UCT students of all races standing united to move SA to a point of true reconciliation and integration. Continue to show this arrogant older generation of whites how race-relations should be solved - by tackling issues head on, not telling the previously disadvantaged to go on with their lives as if 300+ years of colonialism and oppression can be erased and forgotten in just 21 years of democratic rule. Those who have a problem honestly need to take their statue and migrate with it back to where it belongs, Europe.

      Bruce Mills - 2015-03-24 14:05

      This is just an ANC politically inspired racist attack to place negative attention on the Western Cape. The timing - 20 years on without pause or issue nor a glance at the Voortrekker monuments everywhere - then this and only in one place. Tactic stinks to me of low down petty ANC politics. These students have no idea what a legacy is even if you , like me, don't like the man who left the legacy, you can't take it away. Just up the hill is the Rhodes Memorial with another statute to Cecil John Rhodes and his mandate to rape the wealth fron this country for England - but these students are not up there are they ? No, not newsworthy. This is a political stunt in my opinion.

      Louis Olivier - 2015-03-24 17:00

      I don't know what that jack is trying to protect in that hollow head of his

      Jurgen Hartmann - 2015-03-24 17:05

      Rhodes for president, all the gays will be happy. They must add statues of Verwoerd and Anthony next to Rhodes' statue, or I will go back to the bush.

      Jacob Zumaasak - 2015-03-24 17:39

      This is just stupid, they are getting education invented by westerners, but they deceive westerners? This is like someone saying "I Dont like living with blacks" yet he lives in Africa. I bet you the ruining party is behind this, only they could be that stupid.

      Lance Elliott - 2015-03-25 13:53

      Question: Is black on black violence/oppression ok ? Shaka Zulu was a "warrior", he killed and conquered all that were not Zulu like himself. He killed whites as well..He now has a statue in Durban and has an airport named after him. Must Shaka go or can he stay because he is black ? Shaka and Rhodes wereboth evil in their own way, the only difference is that the one had bullets and gunpowder which allowed him to steal and plunder more. Please accept history for what is its, because I am struggling to see the difference between these two "leaders"

      James Edwards - 2015-03-25 13:54

      Government incompetence and corruption, kings demanding wealth, Eskom failing, crime rate escalating, SA'ns being lazy, and all the students can think of is something a man did 100 years ago ??? OMG talk about having their priorities right....not!! Sense of entitlement, play the race card, demand this demand that, no work and all play the black south African way.

      Babalaas Witblitz - 2015-03-28 18:23

      Hahahaha and what a bunch of idiots. When I see this I have to wonder how these fools managed to get into the university in the 1st place....then I remembered, the minister brought the pass mark down to 30%. No friggin wonder... What about the Cecil John Rhodes education trust which grants study bursary's to those who are unable to afford their own tuition. Oh wait, I know, refuse the chance to get an education as it comes from a colonialist.

      Babalaas Witblitz - 2015-03-28 19:08

      This comment was made by my 12 year old daughter. 'Laughing' daddy where do these people come from? Dont they know that history cannot be re-written? Statues are there to remind us of the good and bad that people have done. The good so we are reminded and can try and follow in their footsteps, creating a better world for everyone and the bad to remind us never ever to let it happen again. Sometimes I just dont understand stupid people.

  • Rick Becker - 2015-03-23 21:45

    "We demand curriculum changes; we want to learn about Robert Sobukwe, Steve Bantu Biko, Thabo Mbeki and South Africa’s aspirations" Well, we all know AIDS denialist Thabo Mbeki denied HIV positive pregnant women drugs leading to the deaths of an esitmated 300 000 BLACK babies, so perhaps his aspiration was to be the AWB'S secret weapon?

      Mark Hanesworth - 2015-03-23 21:51

      LOL. That is so funny Dude. We could learn about how Zuma conned the SA taxpayer out of Nkandla money. We could learn about how Mugabe turned Rhodesia into the poorest country in Africa. I could go on and on.

      Jonathan Woods - 2015-03-24 09:39

      But guys, they wouldn't want the true version, they would be wanting the zanc propagandist version. But really in this information age you can pretty much study anything you want and from a multitude of different persectives, So the only thing that is stopping these guys is their own inadequacy and lack of ability to investigate and learn. I'd love to know how some of these morons ever manage to compile a thesis. Or is that something they just copy and paste these days like all their fake degrees ?

  • Frederick Blake - 2015-03-23 21:46

    "They have complained about institutional racism, an alienating culture and lack of transformation." - What about the cullture that has been existing for hundreds of years? Why must everything transform?

      lacrimosewolf - 2015-03-24 00:05

      There are over 500 universities across the African continent. Other Africans constantly enrol at all our varsities with zero objection to the garden sculptures or names of halls. So if these people are so offended, they are equally free to go to any other university on the African continent with acceptable garden ornaments - or any other continent for that matter. Although it is unlikely, I'd like to see any of these protestors turn down a Rhodes scholarship!

  • Daniel Raviv - 2015-03-23 21:46

    Stupidity comes for free, I don't agree to Apartheid past but destroying everything of the past destroy history. instead, education and remembering will always make sure things like that will never happened again. hate breeds more hate.

  • Hlekanezitha Nxumalo - 2015-03-23 21:47

    Symbol of devil must fall now!

      Johan Arno Cilliers - 2015-03-23 21:56

      Cool,so when will you be falling then??

      Marius Kannemeyer - 2015-03-23 22:07

      The biggest devil was Mandela, so he must fall too then!

      Kirsty Prinsloo - 2015-03-23 22:12

      I totally agree Hlekanezitha - Nklanda should go.

      Hendrikje Freeze Hartwigsen - 2015-03-23 22:29

      He is one of the reasons UCT is in existence from his legacy. Appreciate it and say thank you to him instead of wanting him gone.

      lacrimosewolf - 2015-03-23 23:13

      But let the killing, chopping up of body parts, abduction of children and rape of virgins continue because that is traditional bedevilment and FAR less important than a statue.

      Sean Wolf - 2015-03-24 00:01

      @Hlekanezitha Nxumalo - Symbol of the Devil and destruction is the criminal running the country !! Off you go , go through some more s@#$t around !!

      Arma Geddon - 2015-03-24 00:07

      Intelligence just oozing out of this one.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 03:53

      So must mandela

      Robert Moergabe - 2015-03-24 06:11

      Time for the devil statue at Santin square to be pulled down ans sold foe scrap

      Maggie Ross - 2015-03-24 13:11

      Are you referring to the current President of South Africa, Hlekanezitha?

      Louis Olivier - 2015-03-24 16:57

      That includes zuma as well.... symbol of the thieves

      Jacob Zumaasak - 2015-03-24 17:42

      Symbol of evil? Your mother must fall, she's a symbol of evil to me.

  • Franco Ollewagen - 2015-03-23 21:49

    I can bet a MILLION bucks all these protesting idiots are already failing their degrees and will never finish their studies.

      MadDog Morgan - 2015-03-23 22:05

      That guy who gave Zuma the finger and started this destructive substandard behaviour, how long has he been at UCT, does he have a degree?

      Kirsty Prinsloo - 2015-03-23 22:17

      Or their parents have taken out student loans, working two jobs or making huge sacrifices to help them have the life they never had and they are more interested in this than getting a good education and becoming a positive force for change. I was working three jobs to pay for my university degree - I did not have time for theatrics such as this.

      ingwe - 2015-03-24 08:41

      Sly is that why there were so few students at the monument when the poo was being spread?

      Dunte Devante - 2015-03-24 14:42

      @Sly don't bother, the supremacists on this site are so thick and united that anything that doesn't promote or at least preserve their supremacy just bounces off their thick skulls and reveals them for exactly who and what they are, a bunch of losers who need to catch the next flight back to Europe together with their beloved rhodes statue. The students protesting for the removal are from all race and age groups at the varsity, their generation is where a racially united SA lies. N24 is a haven for faceless racists, not objective debate.

      Evert van Staaden - 2015-03-24 15:50

      I can bet you another million they will be blaming apartheid as soon as their marks come back.

      Christiaan Van Schalkwyk - 2015-03-24 17:38

      @Martin That is where the grave is since Mugabe said that it will be a tragedy to remove his history. Laing, Aislinn (22 February 2013). "Robert Mugabe blocks Cecil John Rhodes exhumation". The Telegraph (London). Retrieved 1 April 2013

      Jacob Zumaasak - 2015-03-24 17:43

      That's exactly why they protesting, looking for excuses to fail. Then blame on the statue and apartheid lol , when will Africa progress

      James Edwards - 2015-03-25 14:24

      @Dunte Devante...N24 is a haven for faceless racists, mmm.. bit like yourself?? Campaigning for the removal of the statue does nothing to bring together or unite the nation, keep smoking ur weed.

  • Altus Kirsten - 2015-03-23 21:52

    So glad I studied at Maties.

      Mary Couster - 2015-03-25 08:40

      Yes Maties - where the only interest students have is to get blind drunk. At least at UCT there is some intelligent debate. Must be why they are so much higher on the list of international universities?

  • Jan Kuhn - 2015-03-23 21:52

    You can't erase history. It's edged into stone (mind the punt), and destroying a statue will never change it. If this is allowed to continue, then what's next?

      Lance Elliott - 2015-03-25 13:59

      Keeping the statute is a sign of victory because students of all races now study there and that's not what the old man would have wanted. Else we have to look at Shaka and his statue..He also murdered, stole and oppressed everyone who was not Zulu. His statue was put up recently, Rhodes was put up about a hundred years ago...History repeating itself ?

  • Motofogo Mulilo - 2015-03-23 21:53

    Symbol of greed, gluttony and murder.

      Motofogo Mulilo - 2015-03-23 21:57

      Thats his problem not mine.

      OKennedy Rademeyer - 2015-03-23 22:02

      Are you referring to the Aurora mining debacle? Oh Sorry you are talking about a statue that stood there for years before some bright spark suddenly decided that it must go.

      Motofogo Mulilo - 2015-03-23 22:10

      If it bugs you that much then do your march against Zuma numpties.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 06:17

      Zuma i agree

      Chris Pieterse - 2015-03-24 10:17

      Symbol of Greed - Are you referring to Nkandla?

  • Ashanzi Afrika - 2015-03-23 21:54

    My word, you South Africans are pathetic little people. You cannot change history - accept it, embrace it...and LEARN from it to make your future better. You are acting like spoilt little children. Grow up!

      Martin Macphail - 2015-03-23 22:02

      Well said

      Sugan Moodley - 2015-03-23 22:12

      It is our snort kop younger generation who attend university for the wrong reasons. To disrupt and cause mayhem. WtF... They can't seem to concentrate on there studies cause the statue of Rhodes is a distraction. Memories of apartheid. Yeah right. 20yrs after democracy and they realise this now. Who cares what this freaking Rhodes did!!! He is dead and gone. Let him burn in hell.

      Lisa Gibson - 2015-03-24 08:20

      Well said. These kids have more than most and they should be studying towards a bright future, not wasting their parents money.

  • Dave Schoeman - 2015-03-23 21:57

    Firstly I agree that Rhodes played a huge role in this country but it wasnt always good. He hated afrikaners as well and they hated him. But we need to acknowledge our past and learn from it. Im not a supporter of Rhodes at all, he was an evil man but really to waste all this time and money on removing a statue and building a new one is useless. I bet in Germany you will still find statues of Hitler.

      Motofogo Mulilo - 2015-03-23 22:05

      I dont think you will find statues of Hitler in any public place anywhere in the world bru. Your grasp on world history is a little weak.

      George Raluswinga - 2015-03-23 22:06

      We don't care if Germany has cities named after hitler,this is SA.Germany is not our moral guide.

      Dave Schoeman - 2015-03-23 22:12

      Motofogo i never said there was i said i bet there is but if im wrong then its only because they never had time to build one. The point im trying to make is black people always want white people to remember the past but yet we dont learn abiut people like rhodes and verwoerd in school anymore instead we learn about mbeki and shaka who himself was just as evil as rhodes if not more so. These people are trying to erase a part of history. Nobody forced them to go to uct. Why didnt they go to nmmu?

      Motofogo Mulilo - 2015-03-23 22:23

      Why nmmu? Any particular reason why you think they dont deserve going to UCT? You also wrongly assume its black students only who dont want that statue there. Your example or logic about Hitlers statue in Germany is also warped. Then Rhodes statue would be at home in England not here. Imagine Hitlers statue in France or ENGLAND or Poland? Get real.

      Dave Schoeman - 2015-03-23 22:32

      Rhodes did alot for civilisation here in africa wether u like it or not. So he has a place in history. Hitler has a place in history. I didnt say they didnt deserve to go there but if they were unhappy with the statue why go there in the first place. They are attentiin seekers. Because nmmu is named after Mandela whi according to this student is a Hero so why not go there?

      Lacrimose Wolfe - 2015-03-23 22:44

      @George Raluswinga - so what is your moral guide? Because your democratically elected leadership sure loves German cars, German finance, German tourists and German imports. And Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, Chinese etc. So what is your moral guidance? Revenge? Revenge in the face of all reason? What does guide this thinking? Because it sure as heck isn't logic or reason. But keep going. You have almost 2000 years of history and an entire failed continent that proves you will be forever followers, never leaders. No matter how many statues you fell or roads you rename. Or how many billions your leaders send to the evil West. Whilst you're distracted by statues and other futile causes. Graveyards. Graveyards are all you're going to be able to show your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. But that is the African way - death and destruction are revered above all else.

      Motofogo Mulilo - 2015-03-23 23:15

      @Dave of course he has a place in history just like anything has a place in history....but that statue must go in a museum. And this love of Hitler you seem to have is a litte worrying but it does not surprise me seeing your angle of argument here.

      Francois Jordaan - 2015-03-24 10:28

      @Motofogo maybe no statues of Hitler, but there are of Shaka Zulu, Mandela and so forth. Streets are named after dictators. So unless you actually have the same approach to those statues and names, this is all just about him being white. You think you were mistreated by him? Do you even know how many Boers were killed, how many of their families died in concentration camps because of the role he played? But you do not see me flinging poo on his statue. Because I do not live in the past but in the present and for the future.

      Neriah Pather - 2015-03-24 10:56

      They usually stop responding when you mention Shaka Zulu. Or they try to avoid it. Not once have I hard anyone addressing the Shaka Zulu matter. I guess to them it's okay if a black man causes genocide but it's not okay when a white man causes genocide.

      Christiaan Van Schalkwyk - 2015-03-24 18:00

      @Motofogo: Hitler refused to have a sculpture made of him, because he thought himself ugly. Someone decided in 2001 to erect one in Warsaw, Poland. There is also one in Amsterdam, Nederlands in a museum. Funny that you mentioned Poland. Funny that Zimbabwe (Rhodesia South) still keeps his grave intact on order of there president. I always thought he was the biggest hater of Colonialism. He founded UCT, specifically giving that part of his personal estate for the university grounds. So if you really want to remove his legacy; burn down UCT!

  • Sugan Moodley - 2015-03-23 22:00

    I'm reminded of Jonty Rhodes running out Inzamam ul Haq. That was a memorable day. #ProteaFire

      Dave Schoeman - 2015-03-23 22:04

      Good thing they didnt demand for him to be dropped. Jonty what a legend!

      Xavier7034 - 2015-03-23 22:07

      Good one Sugan - we need a bit of lightheartedness here :-)

  • Marius Kannemeyer - 2015-03-23 22:05

    If Rhodes statue must fall, then so must all Mandela, the terrorist and killer of innocent children, statues also be removed. I will spit on the next Mandela statue I walk past! They want the Rhodes grants and bursaries, but not look at his statue while they study with his money. Hippocrates! If they remove the statue, then they must not grant any black person a Rhodes bursary!

      Mary Couster - 2015-03-25 08:38

      What does medical ethics have to do with your point? These guys are not expected to take any oaths? Unless there are medical students amongst the protestors?

  • Kirsty Prinsloo - 2015-03-23 22:08

    To be honest you can change a places name and put a carrot up in place of the statue - IF the university has a culture of institutional racism, alienating culture and lack of transformation - no matter what they call the university you are not going to have a change in the environment. This is like everyone getting upset because a building is purple and not about the fact that its housing dangerous criminals.

  • EXPAT-SINCE 1973 - 2015-03-23 22:09

    Now that's what you call, biting the hand that feeds you! You students are ungrateful and rotton to the core! There are many hundreds of Blacks students who have successfully won RHODE SCHOLARSIPs and become successful Blacks. Whats the matter with you idiots? Why are you afraid of a dead stone and so ungrateful for the funds RHODES left YOU as means to a much sort after education and better future. YOU ALL need a jolly got hiding and expelling from civilized education. Because you don't want to be educated or to become a citizen that contributes to society. YOUR goals in life are revenge, hatred, destruction and ruination of those that do care and want a better future. SHAME ON YOU !!!! You are behaving like despicable Hyhenas !!!

  • John McBurn - 2015-03-23 22:10

    Want Mbeki's life in the syllabus? Sup. He never fired a minister, no matter how incompetent. He delayed the provision of ARVs, causing more than 300 000 mainly black people to die. He allowed the Arms Deal, which was not only a corrupt transaction, but one which handicapped the SANDF for generations. On his watch, he allowed Mugabe to steal an election and did nothing. Mbeki was a paranoid dwarf, and leaves a disastrous legacy.

  • Mark Hanesworth - 2015-03-23 22:12

    OMG.Has Jonty Rhodes gone into hiding or what?Will he come under pressure to change his name? Watch this space for the ongoing saga.

  • Stalin Rudolf - 2015-03-23 22:15

    Damn, some blacks are really embarrassing. When will you cross the divide. Creates uncomfortable situations for our kids who do not see color. You cannot deny or reconstruct history you bloody fools. Destroy destroy destroy is what some of people are good at (black white & Indian) disgusting habits.

  • franciek1 - 2015-03-23 22:18

    Why destroy, why not just move it elsewhere? It's because all you ever think of is to destroy whether you gain or loose

  • Owen George West - 2015-03-23 22:20

    Anybody celebrating Hitler's statue no, so get rid of Rhodes who did so much harm forcing people off their land

      Carl Dean - 2015-03-23 23:09

      Part of History.

      Sarah Montague - 2015-03-23 23:12

      No but you don't see the Jewish people bringing it up decades after his death... People choose to accept the past for what it was, the past, and live their lives the way they intended... and Hitler murdered their people in the millions.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 03:49

      Shem feel sorry for you

      sthembize.zulu - 2015-03-24 05:09

      Jews don't bring up Hitler?? Under which rock have you been hiding all along? Or are you just 6 yr old?

      Lanfear Eshonai - 2015-03-24 19:04

      Have to agree with Mageba on this one, the Jews bring up Hitler and the Holocaust whenever they can. Even research on the Holocaust that differs from their version of events are called anti-Semitic. Hollywood Jews frequently fund movies about the Holocaust. The Jews also famously said "we'll never forget or let anyone forget". So Sarah your point is really moot. Put the Rhodes statue in a museum if it offends so many all of a sudden. He will always be part of history, nothing can change that.

  • Ian Murray - 2015-03-23 22:20

    This is an insult to the white contribution to building south Africa. The ANC must represent all communities. Tell these idiots to respect their joint citizens.

  • Frank Mbonisi Khumalo - 2015-03-23 22:21

    Biggest thief ever. If you thought Jacob Zuma is a thief wait a minute its only a portion of fraction compared to Cecil J Rhodes. The man stole looted plundered murdered the whole continent

      Pieter Traut - 2015-03-24 00:41

      Zuma is stealing from his own, Rhodes pillaged conquered land.

      Justin Slabert - 2015-03-24 14:42

      False sense of entitlement that Africans possess. It is not and was never your'e land. KHOI SAN (also butchered by Africans just by the way). And as for these students, stop wasting you're parents money and do what you are meant to do at varsity.

      Lanfear Eshonai - 2015-03-24 19:05

      @ Pieter - and that it makes it better?

  • Daniel Spengler - 2015-03-23 22:25

    We demand curriculum changes; we want to learn about Robert Sobukwe, Steve Bantu Biko, Thabo Mbeki and South Africa’s aspirations. Then how about you take African History modules? Then how about you take African Philosophy modules?

  • Hendrikje Freeze Hartwigsen - 2015-03-23 22:26

    To raise an historic artwork to the ground?? And these students want to lead the country and be counted one day? If it weren't for Cecil John Rhodes UCT's campus would not be here today. Give the man some credit. The past is in the past. Move on and become one nation and get rid of this colonialism and apartheid chip on your shoulders for Pete's sake!!

  • Alex Heath - 2015-03-23 22:28

    After reading through the comments, it appears to me that this campaign does nothing but divide people.. The way the campaign is demanding action, without inclusively coming to a mutually beneficial outcome is disturbing and certainly rubs me up the wrong way. Is it just me, or does the sign around his neck not make any sense? Exhibit White @ Arrogance UCT ??? In all of this, I cannot help but feel that the campaign has missed the point of the statue (but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong). I understood that that the statue was erected to thank Rhodes for his contribution to the Institution, not as a shrine to worship his colonial endeavours? Lets hope that logic and reason will prevail.

  • Rollingstone Brown - 2015-03-23 22:28

    DA bla bla blaa tsk there is a mass grave in durban who killed those comrades? is thr frfathers tshk

      Deon Rudolph - 2015-03-23 22:39

      No words for you ! Never, no wait seen such stupidity before! Don't open your fist! It's a long way down!

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 03:47

      Your mother

  • Ian Bulpitt567 - 2015-03-23 22:28

    Why are these morons getting so much publicity ? Six hundred attended , so what. Let me know when 100 000 plus are there instead of this tiny minority of idiots !!!!

  • Rollingstone Brown - 2015-03-23 22:33

    Maimane is selling the black people does he knows exactly what whites apartheid did to the black majority of this country?

      Dave Schoeman - 2015-03-23 22:41

      Why bring up Maimane we are discussing rhodes. The Bible says forgive and forget. Anc killed more black people during apartheid than the NP did anyway. Black people can be very lucky de Klerk wormed his way into presidency otherwise there wouldve been a huge war all because the anc killed other black people and used terrorist attacks on innocent white people just like isis are doing to non muslims today but black people conveniemtly forget that

      Mark Hanesworth - 2015-03-23 22:41

      TROLL ALERT.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 03:46

      Not alot really just left you on other side of tracks

  • Frikkie November - 2015-03-23 22:33

    If you are ashamed about your history, for what your forefathers contributed ( or not ) to the country, for what it was pre-1994. I guess one would want to destroy what we know of history. Not only to hide the fact that how thing got handed over on a silver platter, but also that one can't compare the hard work of the people who build the country to the ones that is running it now.

      Arma Geddon - 2015-03-23 23:21

      Get over yourself luks, go grab a tissue. The way you people carry on you would swear no white person has ever been murdered, raped, tortured or maimed by a black savage.

      Jaco Van As - 2015-03-23 23:28

      Luks Jozi you have no idea what you talking about. Rather go and study history before commenting on here. You are a stupid idiot that knows nothing. Go to hell Luks Jozi. Go get an education.

      Al-Stash Abdul Hussein - 2015-03-24 00:00

      God will judge this one day.

      Andre Henning - 2015-03-24 00:06

      Luks. If you know your history, you'll know that thousands of Afrikaans/Dutch people where killed/murdered by both English and black people. After all was set and done, the Boere still gave credit to the people that was worthy enough to mention. You call it ruling the country, where the rest calls it what it is, ruining the country. You my friend, walk with hatred inside you about the past and you don't even know why.

      Andre Jacobs - 2015-03-24 10:07

      @Luks-Globally nothing happens in isolation any more with this new order in progress. The guys behind it are mostly white and they form part of the illuminati and free masons. They are after the resources and energy. Look around you --yes fighting and disorder and beheadings. It is all their doing and planning. These 'protesters' are paid. You will be a slave to them and the super rich when the new order is pulled off. Apartheid will look like a picnic in comparison. Just this time we are all in trouble --white pink black purple. Fight the new world order idea.

  • Lukes Sibza - 2015-03-23 22:39

    I appeal to all fellow Afrikaaners and English in this Country SA to be realistic at times. You need not argue on News24 or any other social platform for that matter just for the sake of racial lines BUT Facts. There's a past one need not be reminded with coz is ungly and negative. For such to be part of our history doesn't mean to live with or displayed. Cecil John Rhodes is nothing but a cursed spirit. The statue must come down. Rhodes name at Rhodes University must be removed. All this will definately happened soon.

      Dave Schoeman - 2015-03-23 22:48

      I agree Rhodes was evil but so is zuma and malema. Yet maimane is called evil by other blacks just because he is in a majority white party. All black people see are black and white. They dont see reason and that is what is getting white people worked up and longing for the days of apartheid.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 03:45

      Haha and you still want the money build your own things and study there go to uwc give back the degrees want want want jirre stop being so lazy renaming or breaking the african way not going to fix anything

  • Lukes Sibza - 2015-03-23 22:39

    I appeal to all fellow Afrikaaners and English in this Country SA to be realistic at times. You need not argue on News24 or any other social platform for that matter just for the sake of racial lines BUT Facts. There's a past one need not be reminded with coz is ungly and negative. For such to be part of our history doesn't mean to live with or displayed. Cecil John Rhodes is nothing but a cursed spirit. The statue must come down. Rhodes name at Rhodes University must be removed. All this will definately happened soon.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 06:14

      So must bomber mandela hani mokaba

  • TheOldCynical - 2015-03-23 22:39

    All the Boer agree. Rhodes had a hand in the murdering of thousands of Afrikaner women and children. Go for it ANC. Support the Boere. The Boere wants this more than any black man. More Boere where killed by the British empire and Rhodes than all the blacks killed by apartheid. Go for it ANC and EFF. Go fight for the Boere. First time you do something worthwhile. The Boere support you.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 07:27

      True story they throwing crap at something we dont want he wronged boere more than them so go for it lol

  • Hlobani Bam - 2015-03-23 22:44

    I like change abd what is rite but I thing students should be concetrating on their studies and dual perfomance cause some of them who are doing semester cause are writing in june and I know the people who enchourage other studends to do this kind of thing are those in SRC and those in SRC enjoy the money they share and u can find out they have been studing for more than 8yrs for a degree,that sucks guy really

  • HappyDays ToBe - 2015-03-23 22:46

    One can only wonder what OUR country would be today if not for the Dutch, french and English history. its amazing how they are willing to be educated by the systems that white historians brought to Africa, but yet any symbol must be destroyed. so when all is gone and South Africa is a wast land it will be blamed on apartheid. destructive creatures they are.

  • Pieter Burgess - 2015-03-23 22:48

    If you don't like Rhodes and want to remove him, then also make sure that you remove his trust and trust funded bursaries, back to the crown! I think he would have approved. By the way, how many Cadres studied with a "Rhodes" bursary?

  • Carl Dean - 2015-03-23 23:05

    Stop worrying about the statue, get an education that's what you there for, honestly. First apartheid now colonialism, what's next?

  • Makha Mac Ntsele - 2015-03-23 23:07

    Oh how I long for constructive comments on this platform.

      Margaret Cox - 2015-03-24 15:37

      I'm afraid you will be in for a long wait!

  • Tina Butler - 2015-03-23 23:11

    600 Students? Seriously, are 600 student holding a whole university hostage? No magtag man.

      Brent Kohn - 2015-03-24 04:50

      Of which about 500 will fail

      Andre Jacobs - 2015-03-24 08:00

      There seems to be a pattern with unrest all over the world-this one can also be a result of the super bright capitalists creating an environment for their new order for the world. If you look at Diego Garcia island you will see the manifestation of the super brights. You get true capitalists and those with an agenda for world domination with no remorse for the consequences. True capitalists will build up a business from scratch with no special political or secret society connections, and build it into a huge success and will be of moral value to society. Rhodes was sent and he was clever and he did a lot for society but he falls in between the true capitalist and the super brights. Later he started the round table and that merged into the illuminati. He was a globalist capitalist. It is with mixed feelings one views this protest--yes he did a lot for the community and then he was part of these secret societies that is now actually running America and the free world via their banking system. They have a new global order plan that sounds more like genocide and enslavement. The new order seems to create social and economic chaos ALL OVER and then they will present this"solution" for the world via their United Nation,-- 'Peace and prosperity' ?

  • conrad.beukes.9 - 2015-03-23 23:23

    I also don't like Rhodes, as he was a war monger in pursuit of wealth and fame. The wars he created resulted in the death of thousands of Afrikaners. Maybe you should honour him for this as you hate the Afrikaner/whites so much? Bottom line is, the likes of him brought education to this savage continent. Why indulge in his legacy if you don't want to be reminded of him?

  • conrad.beukes.9 - 2015-03-23 23:23

    I also don't like Rhodes, as he was a war monger in pursuit of wealth and fame. The wars he created resulted in the death of thousands of Afrikaners. Maybe you should honour him for this as you hate the Afrikaner/whites so much? Bottom line is, the likes of him brought education to this savage continent. Why indulge in his legacy if you don't want to be reminded of him?

  • conrad.beukes.9 - 2015-03-23 23:23

    I also don't like Rhodes, as he was a war monger in pursuit of wealth and fame. The wars he created resulted in the death of thousands of Afrikaners. Maybe you should honour him for this as you hate the Afrikaner/whites so much? Bottom line is, the likes of him brought education to this savage continent. Why indulge in his legacy if you don't want to be reminded of him?

      Zwino Ndo Sea - 2015-03-24 01:51

      You are an idiot. We don't have whites/afrikaners. We have CJR. He didn't doate land since he came with guns in Africa not land. You won't force us to like his 'good' deeds and appreciate the pain he inflicted to Africa u idiot

      Andre Jacobs - 2015-03-24 08:35

      @Swino--you are being manipulated again. This is an organised protest by people EXACTLY what Rhodes was. They use cultural differences to create unrest. The protesters are paid or well indoctrinated but that is the purpose to create chaos. Look carefully at Africa now. UNREST, terrorists kidnappings, Boko Haram. I am actually with you on this as to fight against manipulation. But the terrorists behind this is a group in America now trying to enslave us. Not just you and me but Africa and the world and its people with the resources. Americans are good people and a bit arrogant but they are also led by the noses by the group for a new world order. We are part of brics and we denounce the dollar--that makes us the enemies of the new order group. Why all this fighting in Africa and the AU does nothing-----??? They have been bought by these guys like what happened in the past with slavery. The head of the black tribe actually sold his own people to the slave traders--It s happening again. They have been promised GOOD positions and a kingdom in this new order. Please read about it.

      Andre Jacobs - 2015-03-24 09:04

      And Zwino--what Rhodes and the British did then was to use opportunity to become rich--exactly what Zuma and mugabe and other leaders in Africa are doing. It is their turn 'AT THE TROUGH' as you reason. They feel little for you unless you will be of USE to them. And more on the new order for the world--that church building that was destroyed of Joshua was a planned demolition as to break the religious foundations of groups and to empower a new religion, of a more sinister nature.

      Andre Jacobs - 2015-03-24 09:46

      And Swino--This new order is a slow process that will gain momentum now with a pro muslim as head of America. Remember Ghaddafi --he was an obstacle to this plan and he was removed. Tunisia is an obstacle and the leadership will change. Zuma is an obstacle here and they will remove him. He is siding with Putin and Putin is also against the new order. They tried twice to assassinate him already. Zumas life may be in danger because of Obama and his association with this new order. He must be protected or we will fall into a civil war and chaos as the new order terrorists want.

  • Koketso Maropefela - 2015-03-23 23:26

    Well then we can say goodbye to this statue, the battle is already won... I wonder if they'll it move next to the men's toilet or maybe garbage area. Probably some wealthy art collector will buy it. People are strange enough to buy a poo covered statue. I wonder what the future of Rhodes Memorial is... hmm

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 03:41

      Shem give back the money and degrees

  • Johann Serfontein - 2015-03-23 23:32

    Raizing a bronze statue to the ground?? Please let them try. Obviously their intellect must lie in other fields...

  • Pack Age - 2015-03-23 23:34

    Shaddup and get back to your studies...that’s what you there for! Take your racist attitude and dump it then you might succeed where others have failed dismally!

  • Danie Louw - 2015-03-23 23:38

    Okay fine, let's exchange the Rhodes's statue for all heritage referring to Dingane. A blatant murderer, pure African evil!

  • Andrew Stone - 2015-03-23 23:46

    W%{kers with nothing better to do with their time. Selectively latching on to one thing like sheep because one Mugabe type character throws faeces, while conveniently ignoring thousands of other wrongs. Brain-dead idiots.

  • Madelein Laurence - 2015-03-24 01:41

    Even the youth have an inferiority complex. When a man fears, he destroys. Can't change history no their inferiority.

  • Teko Mohaeka - 2015-03-24 01:58

    People may do their wishes but if we really practice what we preach I think we must retain our history,good or bad.Our history did not start with Madiba.We must have the likes of Verwoerd in our history,we must have Nongqawuse in our history we must have Shaka in our history.We must tell our kids what those legends did and they will decide what is right or wrong

      Berhalet Beukes - 2015-03-24 02:53

      We we should do is focus on erradicating anarchy over statues,street names, town and city names and wasting MILLIONS to replace it. We should focus on building a nation instead of breaking down what we didn't build. And then, maybe, we can leave our children a legacy of democracy because we don't have anything of the kind at this point in time. We have a circus parliament and we are a joke to the entire world.

  • Zwino Ndo Sea - 2015-03-24 01:58

    Is not like Afrikaners are forgiving and have let go of the pain he inflicted from him, no. They simply copied his evil deeds and took revenge upon native people and did worse to the native than what he did to them. They took justice to the native.

      Jim Smith - 2015-03-24 06:08

      Shem he told you to move he declared war on us big difference but you will always feel sorry for yourself and sit at robot expecting a handout

  • Emmanuel Roodt - 2015-03-24 02:08

    And we call on these same students to not use only african text books