SA caught in Zuma, Malema war, says DA

2012-09-15 14:10

Johannesburg - The current wave of violence by South African miners is the product of a war between President Jacob Zuma and expelled ANCYL president Julius Malema, DA spokesperson Mmusi Maimane said on Saturday.

"It is pretty obvious that there is now open warfare between President Zuma and Julius Malema. It’s all about power, it’s all about their egos and South Africans are caught in the middle," he said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Democratic Alliance's Free State provincial congress.

"What is particularly disconcerting, is that Julius and his backers are willing to put the stability of the country and its economy at risk simply to score political points for [the ANC conference in] Mangaung."

He said Zuma should blame himself for the behaviour of Malema.

"By not delivering on his promises, by not showing decisive leadership, by dodging accountability and by taking the country in the wrong direction president Zuma has created a vacuum for Julius Malema and his backers to cause havoc," Maimane said.

"They are willing to sacrifice years of economic progress in their own pursuit of power. What power does Julius Malema have to change people’s lives? What influence does he have? What office does he hold? None.

"He is a powerless, unemployed young man with no power to help anyone. And yet he jets around the country, and stokes up fear and resentment everywhere he goes. And somehow the media thinks it should report on every word from his mouth," he said.

DA Parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said at the conference that Zuma was the creator of the "monster" that was Malema.

"Be in no doubt, the deployment of Malema at [last ANC conference in] Polokwane five-years-ago was no accident. When the president’s allies allowed Malema to roam the country stirring up division and chaos, they unleashed a Frankenstein monster," she said.

"Their problem is that the Frankenstein monster now wants to devour them. A party will always be judged by the leaders it produces."

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-15 14:23

    Very true. However there is also Malemas agenda to get his way,no matter who is president. Malema knows by using the poor and ignorant,filling their heads with sandcastles built in the clouds,he can drum up enough support to cause a civil uprising. The amc lack of leadership and ability to put Malema firmly in place years ago,instead opting to use him for political gain,has now come back to bite them. Damage is done,now we will see anc splinter and wither!

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-16 10:36

      Couldnt agree with you more, I dont think it's too late though, Zuma is just too spineless to deal with malema and in the end,it's us the citizens who will suffer.

  • max.reynecke - 2012-09-15 14:24

    This is giving a bit to much credit to idiots like Malema and Zuma. It might be that they hijacked the situation but to ascribe this whole situation to their influence is a bit far-fetched.

      peter.huxham.9 - 2012-09-15 14:31

      I must agree, is it not really as simple as the workforce of the mine`s seeking a better life?

      martin.melzer.988 - 2012-09-15 16:01

      I agree. There may be a war on but its not substantially between these two. They are both pawns of opposing economically powerful forces, Zuma perhaps less so than sweatyfatboy.

  • gideon.nel - 2012-09-15 14:27

    DA time to wakeup, Malema is a puppet for Zuma and the ANC, why do you think he had so much freedom to talk to miners and staff of the SANDF,???????

      max.reynecke - 2012-09-15 14:35

      I fully agree with you, this is just smoke and mirrors.

  • peter.ledger.902 - 2012-09-15 14:27

    ah yes. now we are starting to get closer to the real issue here; power. The reason the ANC have been unable to deal decisively with Malema and the mining debacle is that they themselves are deeply divided - the enemy within. There are those within the ANC who are no doubt supporting Malema as a means to an end - the removal of Zuma at all costs so that they may have their turn, or their right as they see it, to get their grubby paws in the cookie jar: lucrative tenders; business opportunities; massive budgets. The masses will always vote the ANC into power: because they are black. All these rotten politicians need to do is find a way to lead the ANC and automatic control of SA is pretty much assured. We need a new and independant party to be formed with non of the stigmas and stereotypes attached. One whom all South Africans can trust. One who may offer hope once again for all the peoples of this here rainbow nation.

      tw2066 - 2012-09-15 16:56

      lebobang - the ANC like giving these shortcomings - time and again. And its the job of the opposition to feed off of these. Oh wait, you wouldnt understand democracy anyway ...

  • kim.buren - 2012-09-15 14:29

    Well, I am not caught in the middle. I hate both of the idiots.

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-15 14:35

    Both of them are useles and a danger to SOuth Africa. Both should be neutralized with extreme prejudice.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-16 10:37

      In my opinion Malema is the biggest danger here,for the meantime I will take my chances with Zuma.

  • Stephen Radebe - 2012-09-15 14:40

    Power with no direction is always happens to the corrupt government of south africa.

  • jonas.mbedzi - 2012-09-15 14:42


      jonas.mbedzi - 2012-09-15 15:42

      let him(zuma) give de nxt person chance 2 lead itz tym 4 de new ideas

  • ben.thabang.7 - 2012-09-15 14:45

    they were friends.singing musheni wame today they blame each other.malema u won't fool us all.ur charmellion young guy

  • andile.vabasa - 2012-09-15 14:54

    Please everyone vote DA, they even have black people in the party... What is the issue here. They are simply the only non racist party who only has intelligent people individuals from all races.

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-15 15:09

      Come on andile, people know tha Helen is under fire for surpoting Lindiwe..

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-15 15:58

      I'm afraid there is a core of white racists still strongly active in the DA- probably from when the DP went with the NNP- short lived, but it did quite a bit of damage to the DP/DA. They are getting less and less though, thankfully (I guess they die out!) As far as intelligence goes: you are correct. You are screened and tested quite rigorously before being accepted as potential MP or even councilor. If you are not good enough, you won't make the grade. That's a fact.

      Alice - 2012-09-15 17:52

      I'm sorry Andile I have changed my mind about voting for DA due to the majority of racist ppl who support that party. I won't vote for ANC either. I'm going to reserve my vote at the back of my A$$. I voti lam ndizoli hlohla phakati kwentsula yam until I see change.

      tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-09-15 18:02

      I agree Andile. Even if the DA does not win the national elections, they simply need to get 1/3 of the votes. Then they will be able to sufficiently hold the ANC to account in Parliament.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-15 18:23

      @Alice; @Bobby; You are probably going to find a few racists every where, that cannot be avoided completely. But the whole point is I want to vote for a party that can improve the country, because at the moment South Africa is being destroyed by the corruption of the ANC and the only other party that has the potential at this stage to win is the DA. If they aren't good enough then next time I will vote for who ever I think will do a better job. But for now every vote not for them is just helping the ANC keep power and I can see SA ending up like Zimbabwe if we do not remove them soon! Anyone but the ANC. The thing about a political party is that they can be removed by the people, so if they are not good enough the people must realize that next time someone else needs a turn.

      emile.marais - 2012-09-15 20:14

      I don't believe anyone should be TOLD who to vote for. It is a personal decision, but maybe craig doesn't agree with me due to him being a Collectivist and all... The DA are not innocent, but neither are the ANC.

      ben.tigedi - 2012-09-15 22:14

      I don't think DA has done enough to deserve votes for black people. Many still regard the DA as a party for white folks. By the way how does DA intend to deal with inequalities created by years of aparthied? They need to convince black people how they will equalise their lives with that of white, otherwise everything is waste of time.I would like to see another party sending a wakeup call to ANC, BUT i don't think that party is DA, at least not now. DA is the second party in South Africa, but they are failing to live with reality, which is, their policies should prioritise on how they will help black people to be on the same level with white people. DA need to work hard to get black votes.

  • Poul Hillar - 2012-09-15 14:56

    Malema is nothing more than a HATE MONGER turning people against one another and reaping the rewards of discord. He is in the same class as Hitler, Pol Pot, & Mugabe. He knows how to manipulate the emotions of large groups of people to serve his own selfish lust for power. He is a drug dealer who sells hate. And hate like heroine is easy to get hooked on, but very hard to stop.

      emile.marais - 2012-09-15 20:14

      Well said.

  • thulani.ndlovu.3572 - 2012-09-15 15:07

    Mhhh,Interesting analysis...

  • bless.boswell - 2012-09-15 15:11

    Is there any truth in the rumour that the fight between Zuma and Malema started because Zuma stole Malema's girlfriend?

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-09-15 15:28

      NOT POSSIBLE ! Malema had a girlfriend ? I know you het stupid woman all over, but that stupid, no way! Eish

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-15 16:29

      Eish is that why Malema has only boyfrieds now?

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-09-15 15:13

    THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES...the struggle to govern, the struggle to loot the state coffers, the struggle to deliver basic services, the struggle to vote with heads, the struggle to live without fear, the struggle to deal with lawlessness and to cap it all - the struggle between two dingbats! Time for change! Lets vote for a satisfactory outcome for all South Africans!

      irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-15 15:17

      what a wonderful statement,i like your fact.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-15 16:04

      I second that!

      clinton.horner - 2012-09-15 17:26

      Truly this is the view of someone with a brain, I wish we could learn 4m each other, what positive input

      liana.loots - 2012-09-15 17:41

      I concur Tony, now to convince people to take the next step to real freedom

  • ndlovuvincent - 2012-09-15 15:18

    Without trying to take away someone's right to freedom of expression,it is very disturbing to hear Mnusi,saying that we are caught in Zuma,Malema war.It is clear that some people are joining the DA for the sake of balancing the racial presentation,not assisting the party to taking advantage of the vacuum left by the tripatite alliance.For the DA to be the strongestalternative to the ruling party,which is in a mess at the moment,they must the history of this country and talk when it is the right time to do so.The alternative to the ANC will come from the alliance,u like or not,unless opposition parties do their homework well.The current state of affairs in the country,so we do not see it a good idea to tell what we are witnessing,what do u offer us.

      tony.naidoo - 2012-09-15 15:37

      Sensibility before Sensitivity. ANY party - regardless of racial composition - which can assure and deliver decent outcomes for ALL South Africans - will save our country! Time to mobilise. We've wasted precious time and energy on selfish megalomaniacs. Power to the people!

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-15 16:09

      I agree. I find the DA's comment weak, and too late. They should have shown earlier what THEY would have done to solve this, what THEY would have done to prevent the bloodshed. This statement is offering nothing of the sort, what kind of opposition is that? Not an alternative gouvernment, that is for sure.

      martin.melzer.988 - 2012-09-15 16:27

      Ndlovu, I think your comment is fair, but I predict that you will come to a point where you have to decide between a party that is not your own people and a party that is made up of your own people, but is unable to deliver, not because of their race or their culture or their history but BECAUSE THEIR POLICIES ARE WRONG.

  • howard.komati - 2012-09-15 15:27

    Lindiwe Mazibuko

  • joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-15 15:31

    DA will remain official opposition until it marries other opposition parties except IFP,

  • david.lebethe - 2012-09-15 15:38

    From what I could gather, it appears the congress was seized with Malema and nothing else. If anything tangible said was Malema as both leaders had nothing to offer to their members. Knowing DA to be predominately white and that the two members who addressed the congress represented the aspirations of that party's members (read white), then it is easy to understand why is Malema a problem. For the young man is just ordinary among our people (read blacks).

  • rnieckau - 2012-09-15 15:43

    "Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important....They do not mean to do harm....They are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." -T.S. Eliot

      ndanduleni.makatu - 2012-09-15 17:53

      Emancipation of Mental slavery.

  • rnieckau - 2012-09-15 15:43

    Positional leaders focus on control instead of contribution

  • ndivhuwo.mudau.182 - 2012-09-15 15:46

    Zuma wont win this battle i can assure u that

  • comurray - 2012-09-15 15:46

    So why are the media giving so much publicity to Juju in the first place, he is a nobody just stirring sewage. Every time he opens his massive mouth out come tons more sewage.Shut him up or lock him up that is the only answer.

  • thapelo.teleki - 2012-09-15 15:47

    my anc my future viva anc viva

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-09-15 15:53

      I am sooo sorry to say you gonna have a very very bleak future. If Zim and the rest of Africa is anything to go by and the current SA situation I honestly feel for your suffering.

      Erna - 2012-09-15 16:02

      If your anc carries on in this leadership vacuum there will be no future.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-15 16:24

      That slogan sounds like what the NP used in the '80s. The ANC not only absorbed the NP, it also took over their marketing department.

      jerome.rothman - 2012-09-15 22:48

      I voted anc up until the previous 2 elections.I vote with intellect fact performance and not my heart

  • daniewilken - 2012-09-15 15:54

    How do we know its war. Maybe this is a planned strategy. Zuma and Malema are cahoots. If not why does he keep on protecting malema its time that we all wake up. Isn't this what the ANC wants thats why nothing is done about it. Malema is maybe doing the things the anc wants to do, but just at a faster pace. This is all in my opinion the anc plan. Thats why DA is so important to us who do not support the ANC.

  • DerekHerbst - 2012-09-15 15:59

    The sooner the people of South Africa ALL learn that power in a true democracy belongs not to the government, but to the people who elected them. The elected government are the servants of the people and not the other way around. These men may look like clowns on the surface, but they rely on the fact that the man on the street doesn't realise who calls the shots. The government doesn't.. You do! If you don't like your government, vote them out! If you're too apathetic to do so, you have no right to complain.

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-09-15 16:06

    New Hope for S.A youth of DA their see wrong @right new light for youth of this country

  • SLVimbani - 2012-09-15 16:08

    Here's the story-> @

  • SLVimbani - 2012-09-15 16:12

    Here's the story-> @

  • SLVimbani - 2012-09-15 16:13

    Here's the story-> @

  • Matlala - 2012-09-15 16:26

    I'm worried about DA statement. Violence has been triggered by the economic gap between the rich and the destitute people in this country. DA has the responsibility to encourage white males who hold more than 80% of the wealth of the country to consider redress by offering better salaries to their black employees. They should also improve living and working conditions of people like Mmusi. I strongly believe that violence in mining industry has nothing to do with tag of war between Zuma and Malema. Hellen Zille must also discourage her white males dominating the economy of this country to stop exploiting balcks for economic gratifications. ANC has the responsibility to deal with the debacle between Zuma and expelled Malema.

      ndlovuvincent - 2012-09-15 16:42

      Matlala,u have hit the nail in the coffin.I know precisely that a lot of ANC are not happy with the current state of affairs of their party but the opposition parties are getting hold of the wrong end of the stick and shout when they have done and fail to act to benefit the nation.The issue of the mines will be addressed through negotiations,not through Mexican stand off,with an intention to score political points.The opposition parties must wake up and do what will benefit us rather wasting time telling us what we know.We are no more kids,give us what we want.

      clinton.horner - 2012-09-15 17:00

      When will it ever stop being about black or white, both black an white are in big trouble if we don't stand for what is right 4 our country

      Sharmay - 2012-09-15 17:53

      Sorry but I think you got the wrong idea. 80% percent of the wealth has been stolen by your ANC fatboys and is currently funding their lavish and corrupt lifestyles. Since 1994 white males have been battling to secure jobs. There is no wealth to hoard..

      herman.coetser - 2012-09-15 20:02

      I must say that last year I was working for a company who after 9 years paid me R6000pm as structural designer. In Feb I started my own company with no more that a Daihatsu Charade 1983 model, R3200 in the bank and my computer and knowledge. Its September now and I have turned over my 2nd million. I have a BBE partner who actually doesn't do anything except be the face of our company. Even when you give a African the opportunity to make something better of himself they still expect that someone else do all the work while they get rewarded the same. In conclusion if the mentality doesn't change and people start looking after themselves I fear nothing will change and Malema`s will always have the power to play on idiotic mentalities.

  • errol.wagner - 2012-09-15 16:40

    It is so encouraging to hear that there are young South Africans like this who are balanced and who are committed to progress in our country. While we have such men and women we have hope. Why does the media not give them more coverage? Stop reporting on the rubbish Malema and company are spreading around. Just stop it.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-09-15 16:44

    This is so true I can't fault! I shiver when I realise malema has started engaging the defense force! We are all going to die.

  • luvuyo.bangazi - 2012-09-15 16:51

    Mmusi had a point until he said Julius is powerless. Justifying this by saying it's because Juju holds no office. Mistake: you are not powerful because of position only, intact The Prez has position, does he have power? Juju uses mobilization and influence, fact that Mmusi uses his party's conference platform to address Juju, there's power manifested. Lead from where you are!

  • Dlangalala Teddy Jabulane - 2012-09-15 17:06

    That boy Jzoo decided to bed with Juliu-ass before the Polokwane Mickey Mouse nonsense (Oooops conference) . So, the former must deal with his product. All, you, hereby declared political prostitutes and prodigals. I am young, black and gifted and I don't need anything from a white me. Success is not politically transmitted. I will punish Mamenen-&see (ANc) come next elections

  • khathutshelo.muafrica - 2012-09-15 17:12

    Take my hat off 4 u'ntwana'..true dat

  • pierre.walt - 2012-09-15 17:31

    The so called 3rd force my china. Don't recall?

  • bertus.spies - 2012-09-15 17:41

    Meanwhile police are being blamed because the shoot to defend themselves, farm murders is at an all time high and the ANC worry about 2 crappy douchbags who used to be so deep in each others asrseholes and now they've got some bad words to say about each other! Wow what a country to live in! Drive 234km/p on the freeway and get off free, kill someone and get 6 years imprisonment!

  • annette.vorster.54 - 2012-09-15 17:44

    How does anyone know thay are not two peas in a pot? I take the high road and you take the low road ... we will BOTH have power and wealth when the rest wake up from their slumber - voters are so stupid and naive!! . . . .john vorster

  • lekgalenelsons - 2012-09-15 18:00

    Sorry Mr. Maimane, I don't get your point, is malema at marikana? or you just don't know what to tell us. people are being shot at you blame Malema, I don't see any sense in your statement. Do you want us to believe that malema instructed people to kill miners? We all don't like what we see but voting DA is not an option.we rather vote for change in the ANC.

      bonaqua.delpero - 2012-09-16 08:28

      My brother truth hurts I know...DA its your last resort when coming to change and service delivery nad accountability....but when coming to struggle for power,self enrichment,poor service delivery, corruption,ill discipline and infights then I agree with you VOTE ANC and keep fighting for change only in ANC not for South you used to do the whole 18 years of democracy...!! And as soon we are like Zimbabwe then you can come with you Pangas and Knobkirries and take land with force...!!!!

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2012-09-15 18:02

    CTA is a true reflection of what DA would turn this country into if they where in power- No toilets for the blacks, no growth for blacks in careers as every second black person in CTA will tell that white people progress much quicker than a black person, rather the devil i know...DA will never gain my vote!!

      Sharmay - 2012-09-15 18:16

      Thank heavens for that. With such a pessimistic attitude, we don't want you either. As for the toilets, the ANC hasn't provided those either. And by the way, you actually have to WORK to progress in your career, not strike everytime you feel grumpy.

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-09-15 18:35

      Yes Yandisa, sometimes people like you don`t want to hear the truth about their useless ANC, because they don`t want their illusions destroyed. The future with a mindset like yours is truly sad.

      truthis.tway - 2012-09-15 19:54

      You do realise that the ANC has left far more people with no toilets?

      Zahir - 2012-09-15 22:16

      something to do with education but u never heard of cos u never stayed in school look to limpopo text book disaster for your anc future

      bonaqua.delpero - 2012-09-16 08:20

      Yandi have facts my sister....don't be angry be realistic...truth is infront of your eyes...!!! In all nine provinces in SA only Western Cape is performing better than any province, you like it or not it is an honest truth my fellow sister...!! I'm from Free State, I was born and raised there..ANC failed us decimally,I know that its an honest fact..!!! Look what is happening at Limpopo,Eastern Cape I can point all ANC lead provinces you only see lots of sister Western Cape is the best province when coming to service delivery,accountability and leadership..and I believe you know that...!!

  • Sharmay - 2012-09-15 18:19

    I wish they'd take their pissing contest elsewhere. The country is falling apart and all they can think of is how to stay in power. Its starting to smell like Zim.

  • maake.steven - 2012-09-15 18:21

    FOR once in my life i agree with DA ,this power hungry individual should be called into order ,there is so many people who fought 4 our country ,now 2 individuals who can not sort out their differences are threating the economic progress of the country just to prove a point that \i got more power than you\, the whole WORLD is laughn at us , because of these two \idiots\, infact both Malema and Zuma should be suspended 4rm d party malema should be banned for life

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-15 18:39

    Those who keep throwing insults at our DA and vowing that the blues will never rule south Africa just remember that pride and attitude comes before a fall. The more young people get education the more they realise how clueless the ANC government is.

      douglas.d.bird - 2012-09-15 19:03

      i thnk u r just mstkn we must fight together so tht ANC l kp ruling cuz DA is a racist party we gn face apartd again if WE SPPRT DA

      Sharmay - 2012-09-15 19:26

      Keith for president!

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2012-09-15 18:43

    So Shamy you glad not gain my vote lol you will never have it and you and your racist party will remain secondary to the revolutionary movement , a white ignorant man like you thinks all we do is protest when you whites have been robbing us for years in our own country is definitely ignorant... i dont think you have ever experienced poverty as maybe your father was in the forefront of stealing from us!!!

      Sharmay - 2012-09-15 19:06

      I'm a girl you moron. The ANC has been robbing you for the last 18 years and you are too infatuated with the past to care. Go down with them.

      bonaqua.delpero - 2012-09-16 08:09

      Yandi I believe you are well saying that it should be more vividly to you understand what is really happening....!! Is't all about Racism or Struggle Of Power!? Is't all about Whites/Black or egos..!? Is't all about being ANC/Government or DA...!!? Just answer all of those questions then I will understand if your brain really works...don't take it personal just want to understand your FACTS on this issue as South African or you just like your leader Juju,only power will prevail no matter what..!?

  • douglas.d.bird - 2012-09-15 18:48

    how cld i became part of DA tht thng is real for zille and her famalies il better be ANC i gvn all of me

  • sadrick.lottering - 2012-09-15 18:51

    Malema bigger than DA? Can someone please tell me who the idiots, moomish, etc. are? What do you call him again, say again? A GIANT!!! And that's the bottomline because Sadrick said so.

  • Michael - 2012-09-15 18:52

    Malema is tying to fight Zuma, not that the two are in a fight, Zuma expelled Malema from ANC very easily, Malema thought it was not going to happen, but it did, now he has been warned, again he will be dealt with without any fear. Just as it was during his expulsion. Zuma is way advanced to be in a fight with Malema in age, polotically and intellectualy.

      punungwe - 2012-09-15 19:13

      The bar for dealing with Malema outside the ANC is much higher than the bar for dealing with him inside. Remember it won't be a bunch of Zuma's buddies dealing with him now, but judges using a national law that is one of the most liberal in respecting individual rights in the world. For example, in terms of national law calling Zuma a dictator is perfectly legal. It is his opinion which the law protects through freedom of expression. I understand the feeling inside the ANC now is to get rid of both.

      Michael - 2012-09-15 19:43

      Malema does not calculate his risks, they will wait for him to break the law, i am afraid he is about to get himself in trouble very soon, so he will get himself in trouble and make it very easy for his enemies to nail him, like his interfearance with army, i hope he is well informed about do's and dont's related to SANDF rules.

  • douglas.d.bird - 2012-09-15 18:58

    do not think think tht DA is gn be a perfect party once voted , if u r matured ul vote ANC or other party except DA Y,ALL

      truthis.tway - 2012-09-15 19:56

      Absolutely vote for another party, doesn't have to be da. I mean if you are too racist to have a white president that's cool.

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-16 06:44

      If you have a brain you won't vote for the anc

  • Dlangalala Teddy Jabulane - 2012-09-15 19:10

    Them dakkies (thank godness I am wit otherwise it would have been considered a racist concept...lols -:... an offence that is only committed by settlers in RSA and punishable by HRC) let us give D&A a chance and see what changes they can bring in the democratic RSA that belongs to all those who live in it as enshrined in the Constitution. Vote D&A.... Just for a chance. Because Shikota a.k.a Cope let us down. NB! there's no political alternative for dakkies in as far as voting are concern. Perharps the settlers will stop talking too much. I am an African who is absolutely against farm murders, racism, crime, inequality and poverty.

      truthis.tway - 2012-09-15 19:57

      Exactly, and you can just vote them out if you don't like what they do. Isn't democracy wonderful?

  • catherineangelique.swarts - 2012-09-15 21:46

    Can anybody say, what will it take to get zuma to step down. What made mbeki step down. Was it force? Cant the people do the same, force him to step down. He is a real idiot.