SA in talks with UK over entry visas

2013-02-28 10:00

Johannesburg - The government has renewed its efforts to convince the British government that South Africans do not require a visa to visit the UK, Beeld reported on Thursday.

The British visa requirements were introduced in March 2008, for several reasons including the fact that South African passports and ID books were found among the possessions of two terror suspects who were not South African citizens.

The department of home affairs said on Wednesday it was of the opinion that internal corruption had been eradicated and that South African passports complied with international security standards.

The department's communication chief, Ronnie Mamoepa, said South Africa was in talks with the UK government to revise its decision.

"Watertight measures have been put in place to eradicate any negative elements," he said on Wednesday.

He would not elaborate any further on the issue.

A spokesperson for the UK Border Agency would only say that it was continuing to co-operate with the South African government on the matter.

  • rob.martin.94402343 - 2013-02-28 10:07

    Their Prime Minister wants to make Visas more easy for India??????

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-02-28 10:16

      Guess there are less unwanted elements travelling with Indian credentials then with South African credentials.

      Mike Jones - 2013-02-28 10:32

      In case you have forgotten: South Africa is the little s in BRICs and India is the big I.

      Chris - 2013-02-28 10:46

      Tell that to the British public, Koos

      yaya188 - 2013-02-28 10:51

      Oh yes please!!! I am totally put off travelling to Britain! Visa: R900. Travel 300 kilometres to see the visa office. NO NO NO. Austria: R1000 visa. Travel 2000 kilometers to get the embassy. America even worse and as for Oz? tsei.

      Chris John - 2013-02-28 11:03

      Yes me too, Liam. See the game on Sunday? (I hope you're not from Cardiff). Need to get your flag sorted out as well..

      stirrer.stirrer - 2013-02-28 11:05

      Yaya, dream on. UK visa now R1170.

      bibi.vanzyl - 2013-02-28 11:56

      It is a pity that our passport is viewed with so much suspision even by other African countries and that says a lot.

      littlegiantn - 2013-02-28 12:47

      It's the rainbow, can't be transparent....

      bullet.proof.9400 - 2013-02-28 18:38

      The Government stooges in parliament should be banned from the UK as they are the biggest crooks and criminals

  • boerewors.braaivleis - 2013-02-28 10:08


      boerewors.braaivleis - 2013-02-28 10:49

      Why do read South African news then Liam?

  • veldt66 - 2013-02-28 10:12

    Why people want to visit UK? There is nothing there only rude immigration officers"

      Chris - 2013-02-28 10:44

      Not sure why this got thumbs down, but as a Brit I can only agree and point out that the majority are immigrants themselves - with strong suspicion that they "assist" their countrymen to come in.

      gavin.taylor.79 - 2013-02-28 10:51

      I take it you couldn't get in Veldt ? GOOD, give that immigration officer a Bells. Too many arrogant fekkers coming here and moaning about the weather, the price of goods, the beer, the British way of life etc etc. Too many SA 'clubs' around the UK, where all you lot do is sit around a braai, moaning about everything, singing rugby songs and wishing you were back in SA. Rather you didn't bother arriving.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2013-02-28 11:10

      Jealous, Gavin? It definitely sounds like it! FWIW, your beer tastes like cr@p. And the same goes for herbed instead of spiced horsemeat sausages.

      bruce.bennett.752 - 2013-02-28 11:27

      @gavin..I didn't bother. Thats why I moved to Oz instead.. Who in their right mind would want to live in the UK

      bibi.vanzyl - 2013-02-28 11:58

      They have always been fine towards me. businesslike but courteous.

      brendan.healey.315 - 2013-02-28 12:18

      Liam, I also have my British passport but geez bro with an attitude like that I'd rather save my SA brothers the hassle of having you go back home ! @ Gavin... I braai all the time boet come rain or snow, but never complain :-)

      Justin Smith - 2013-02-28 13:11


      Kosie Fires - 2013-02-28 13:26

      People who have children/relatives living there should be exempted from paying for a visa.

      Marcus Van Der Merwe - 2013-02-28 15:12

      @Gavin - What about all the brits in SA. The most recent poll showed that CT was the number 1 destination for Brits. Do you see South Africans complaining? I sure as hell hope you never come here.

      jimmy.walls.90 - 2013-02-28 16:56

      Checking your Facebook, I see you never went to UK. What a tos!

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-02-28 10:14

    That’s nice. Terrorists have SA ID’s book and passports. Wonder how that happened. A year ago I stood in front of a not so friendly lady with my ID book in one hand and my passport in the other while she repeatedly told me I don’t exist on the system. Took me 6 months to get a new passport.

      Roz Rose - 2013-02-28 12:28

      I am trying to get capitec bank accounts for our farm workers, and its a mission because they dont have , wait for it, cellphones! They cant get cellphones because they cant provide a bond account or services account to prove where they live. They cant.. it goes on.. . SO, how does someone get an ID or passport or visa successfully? Oh wait, they dont! it has to be stolen or a bribe paid. And the UK is getting assurances from our Gov? Come and live in a rural area to find the extent of corruption

  • - 2013-02-28 10:21

    Mr Cameron said that Britain was "incredibly welcoming" to inward investment by Indian firms and was making it easier for Indian business people and students to come to the UK. Not sure Cameron sees SA as a major trading partner?

      Omge Klits - 2013-02-28 10:29

      Well - our amazing government is on record that they no longer regard Europe as as our most important trading partner (depite the figures which show that they are indeed just that) . . . .

      bruce.bennett.752 - 2013-02-28 11:30

      Some of the biggest mining companies in SA are British owned!!

      Felix Lee - 2013-04-16 11:49

      BRIC to BRICS ... the 'S' is most probably pronounce silently or as a 'K' (BRICK) as SA was only included recently , maybe as an after thought because they needed an accronum that represented many building blocks instead of one.

  • jarred.opperman - 2013-02-28 10:30 would you want to trade with a country that has an ANC government, they are an embarrassment.

      7thAstroboy - 2013-02-28 11:10

      @T-bos I would have to disagree with you entirely. Firstly the situation is not far off in terms of chasing whites out of the country, like the Zim neighbors. Remember it's the white ligaments that are keeping the bones from falling apart. How can you honestly sit there and support the ANC when they are consistently stealing from the honest working people (including you). Now I don't necessary hate the ANC but I hate with a passion what they have become and if they had any integrity and honesty as they had when the likes of Nelson Mandela and Walter Sisulu were in the fold I would even consider voting for them.

      marc.ross.965 - 2013-02-28 11:12

      TBos hating the ANC is not the same as hating black people. I voted ANC myself, hoping they would give all of us a chance in life. Now when I see the state that most people still live in,(20years later) while they steal and party, I hate them. Not for my benifit but for the poor people who should be getting something good from their Government. Let me ask you something: Do Black people vote ANC for a better life or just because they are anti-white? We will not support theft, graft, corruption and racism towards minority groups. If you think that is pushing too far you are in for a big suprise. We haven't even started. I will vote for the best leader, black white or green. But I will fight the corruption in this coutry to the end (our country, ALL of us deserve better.)

      Slash - 2013-02-28 11:35

      @T-bos Man, I am a white South African and I agree with some of your points. Other's seem to be some lightly veiled threat through. I don't take kindly to that and it is absolutely in contrast with your statement, which says: "Come on guys let's build the nation and stop our lack of vision destroy us." I absolutely agree with that point. We (as a people) are quite capable of doing this, but unfortunately the current government derails the process with all of their corruption and lies. If we work together to build this nation, it has the potential to be the best place on earth and arrogant swines like Liam would be begging us for entry to SA. By the way Liam, my heritage is British. My Grandparents on both sides were from the UK, my parents have British passports, my wife has an EU Passport, so I could quite easily live there if I wanted to. I have been over there several times and I have family all over the UK. You know what? I would rather be here in good old SA (despite it's problems). And trust me, it is not like the UK does not have troubles of it's own. Once Africa is in your blood, you can't live without it, but you would never understand that.

      Chris John - 2013-02-28 12:07

      Slash, if you were a "true Brit" you would realise that Liam is just winding you up. It's an annoying habit that we have...

  • gavin.taylor.79 - 2013-02-28 10:44

    "Watertight measures have been put in place to eradicate any negative elements"..... So corruption has finally been rooted out ? No more fake passports, false documents, fraudulent applications etc etc ? I DON'T THINK SO. Try again. The other problem is that too many over-stay their visa and don't go home when their time is up.

      Justin Smith - 2013-02-28 14:31


  • Barry Smith - 2013-02-28 10:48

    Very interesting, lets hope they are successful.

  • Brad - 2013-02-28 10:49

    Hmmmm....this reminds me. My passport expires at the end of this year. Better get in early.

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2013-02-28 14:12

      Will get it within a month, mine took two weeks. Service is getting better.

  • JNaMolefe - 2013-02-28 10:57

    Awesome :)

  • Glenn Purcell - 2013-02-28 11:14

  • dominique.wood.14 - 2013-02-28 11:19

    I wouldn't blame the UK for tightening control. Look at our poor border patrol record. People from neighboring countries pouring in by the day. Some of these countries have sanctions imposed on them by the UK because of terrorist activity. The recent report of Nigerian and DRC terrorist rebels found in South Africa says it all.

      Themba Khumalo - 2013-02-28 12:28

      Nonsense. Of all the countries in the world, the UK should be the last to impose any sort of immigration controls. Its spawn is scattered and accommodated worldwide, and most of it settled illegally in those territories.

      Themba Khumalo - 2013-02-28 18:35

      Twakkie, Twakkie, that is the history you would have us believe, and we do not. However, dont you find it interesting that those who used to ship thousands and thousands of their citizens to foreign territories without hindrance now have the gall to block others. Quite frankly, former colonial powers like England should accept all and sundry that want to come in. How can they say no to all the descendants of convicts sent to Australia?

  • francesndave.williams - 2013-02-28 11:28

    Yes PLEASE and may it happen soon.

  • Olliebromley - 2013-02-28 11:35

    The best news I have heard all day

  • Glenn Purcell - 2013-02-28 11:48

    I think that politicians the world over are corrupt to some degree, the uk goverment isnt without its corruption allegations and look at berlesconi in Italy, I think there are many more people in sa that share the same dream as mandella both black & white and the politicians in power do everyone an injustice by their acts and while taking from the poor they will victimise the minorities to create a divide. its a way of keeping the majority on side so they can continue to go about their business, i think the anc have too much power and will be good when another party forms that stands for the country as a whole and that can erase the divide or more visionaries can get to the top of the anc and be heard, there are plenty of whites and blacks in the world but only one south africa, the jewel of the continent, your diversity is one of your assets, wouldnt want you to see you go down the zim route, if you can hang on to what youve got and build on it youll be all the better for it. I think that the uk goverment should give visa free entry to south africans as apart from being part of the commonwealth we have very close historic and cultural ties and hundreds of thousands south africans reside here and are very well educated and contribute to our economy and have families back home that want to visit

  • dtangocci - 2013-02-28 11:56

    Make the requirements stricter for SA citizens. Don't believe a word our government is saying. They continue to issue fake passports to dodgy Africans who want to go to Europe and suck the system dry and commit crime.

      Du Toit Hilda - 2013-02-28 12:59

      I fully agree make it more difficult because whilst living in Saudi Arabia I met lots of Syrians, Palestinians and Egyptians vir South African Passports for which they paid $10000 each. They also had South African Identity Documents and are not even shy how they obtained it.

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-02-28 13:53

      Exactly. Anybody under the sun can buy an ID and passport from a corrupt official. Its also worth noting that the UK high commission has even stopped issuing British passports from Pretoria. Guess why?

  • Du Toit Hilda - 2013-02-28 13:08

    Whilst living in Saudi Arabia I met Syrians, Palestinians and Egyptians who had South African Passports and South African Identity Documents. They paid $10 000 each and was not even shy how they obtained it. One Palestinian had a wife and 10 children and each issued with Passports.

      Justin Smith - 2013-02-28 14:34


  • DrGonzoSA - 2013-02-28 13:48

    The reason that the UK insists on Visas is because anybody under the sun can buy an ID book or passport off a corrupt official.

  • Anne-Marie Botha Lanigan - 2013-02-28 15:14

    Ever thought it might be due to the people who don't want to return after the "holidays" and instead decide that it is much easier to claim handouts in the UK and live the life of reilly than work odd jobs for a couple of rands. Britain has already let enough of those kind of peopl in hence the problems it now faces. #just saying

  • Paul Gellard - 2013-02-28 16:00

    The only reason South Africans have to have visas to enter the UK is because there were too many forged passports and ID books coming from South Africa. Some terrorism suspects were also in possession of South African ID books. But what I would say is that, if visa restrictions are relaxed for South Africans to the UK, then it should work the other way too. For too long the UK offered working holiday schemes to South Africans while British citizens couldn't have them for South Africa. Try and immigrate to South African as a British citizen and it's not exactly easy either. These things must work both ways...

  • kusleg.tjo - 2013-02-28 17:02

    Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair...keep your England we keep our South Africa....!

  • Richard Hingston - 2013-02-28 20:12

    Unfortunately the UK is full up!

  • Colleen Erasmus - 2013-03-01 07:24

    I think its a good thing to have visas. When applying for a visa a persons background is checked and if you have a criminal record yiu gain a big fat DENIED! It keeps that country clean from extra criminals coming in! It also allows Border Patrol strict measures to send you home! I don't have issues with visas! Hmmm a thought, u have a passport you can enter south africa and stay! Are they wanting to do the same thing with the UK? A tourist visa, valid for 3 months, no work and no study! If they do open there borders like SA they will soon be sitting with the same problems we are experiencing! UK keep your. Visas in place!

  • Themba Khumalo - 2013-03-01 07:39

    The UK's spawn is scattered all over the world, most of it settled there illegally. They should be the last in the world to impose visa controls. Alternatively, we should impose more stringent visa requirements for UK citizens seeking entry to SA to maintain a balance, and ease up restrictions on Cubans, Chinese, Africans and South Americans.

  • Catharina Conradie - 2013-05-23 14:31

    Would be good if they can just lower the money that gets paid, and also take away some of the stuff like your birth certificate.Where must I get my late 1960's birth certificate?Also why do they need my degrees as proof as well?I have a nice job where I get paid nearly as much as my counterparts over there, but man just make the requirements more humane? So that I can sometimes go and visit my brother and his wife and child there who became residents there in 2009. That's all nothing more...we have family over would you feel every time you want to visit your family to go through this ordeal...really bad stiff upper lips.

  • Brefo Kwame - 2013-07-30 15:24


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