SA not facilitating Gaddafi exit

2011-08-22 10:13

Johannesburg - South Africa is not facilitating Muammar Gaddafi's exit from Libya and knows that the Libyan leader will not seek asylum in South Africa after rebels entered the capital Tripoli, Foreign Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane said on Monday.

Nkoana-Mashabane also denied at a media briefing in Johannesburg that South Africa had sent aircraft to Libya for Gaddafi's exit and said Gaddafi's current whereabouts are not known.

The only South African plane that was near Libya was in Tunisia to evacuate South Africans, Nkoana-Mashabane said.

This comes following claims that two South Africans planes were spotted at Tripoli airport on Sunday night.

The minister also said that it will not recognise a rebel government should Gaddafi’s regime fall.

  • AntiRacist - 2011-08-22 10:20

    I pray the ANC gives him asylum, would love to see how our prized clowns will handle the West dishing out hidings here, If only! ;)))))

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-22 10:45

      Is it just me or doesn't Gadaffi look like a cross between me and Mickey Rourke?

      tshepo.theman - 2011-08-22 10:50

      Viva to the rebels VIVA.... Amandla to the revolution.... we support the rebels!!!

      Lee - 2011-08-22 10:54

      Tshepo ain't you die hard ANC. You did read the bit where the minister said we will not recognise the Rebel government. Guess your going to loose your ANC membership.

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-22 10:55

      tshepo, you and the ANC do not see eye to eye. Having said that I don't think anyone would be able to see eye to eye with you fish face. The ANC doesn't support the rebels, and you do ??? Which side are you on?

      Risen Ape - 2011-08-22 11:06

      In the moment of excitement thsepo.theman forgot he's a troll. Hahaha ... that's so funny.

      tshepo.theman - 2011-08-22 11:09

      the ANC will support the rebels eventully..... this is a positive change for africa that gadaffi is gone,,,, the ANC will realise this and support them.... Nkoana-Mashabane is not the ANC

      cliffarc - 2011-08-22 11:10

      - Nobody has ever been able to see eye to eye with tshepo.

      Yar - 2011-08-22 11:29

      @Ron Which of you is the father

      Netherlands - 2011-08-22 14:51

      Cliffarc... not even Tsepho sees eye to eye with Tsepho.... even if he stares at himslef in a mirror..

  • saabnut - 2011-08-22 10:22

    Place your bets, fello South Africans. Same as Charles Taylor and Jean Bertrand Aristide- I'll put money on it he will be here, hosted by our maladministered taxes!!!

      YasButIDunno - 2011-08-22 10:57

      Saabnut, I doubt he will come here, he probably decided that it's safer in Tripoli. However, if the ANC does persuade him to come help squander our tax money they may offer him accommodation in Juju's new house with the bunker, since Juju won't be needing it for a few years while he's on a sexual factfinding mission behind bars.

      Netherlands - 2011-08-22 14:53

      I tend to agree with you on that one... must be the reason the govt is tidying up the old Aristide residence.... and sent the old Valiant in for a service!

  • Underwhelmed - 2011-08-22 10:23

    HAHAHA - what ever!

  • Grant - 2011-08-22 10:24

    "The minister also said that it will not recognise a rebel government should Gaddafi’s regime fall." Still supporting the dictator then are we? Reading between the lines: "South Africa...knows that the Libyan leader will not seek asylum in South Africa." To my reading of this, he has been offered asylum and has rejected it!

      world-weary - 2011-08-22 10:59

      @Grant - the reason the south african government will not recognise the rebels is because they were not elected demcratically - duh! Even though Sa has some messed up internal policies, our foreign policy remains inline with international law and is regarded as one of the best. The ANC has got something right!

      Grant - 2011-08-22 11:07

      Why then have numerous European countries and the UK kicked out the Gaddafi envoys, recognised the rebel Transitional Council and released previously frozen funds to the rebels?

      cliffarc - 2011-08-22 11:14

      - @ world weary - And of course Gadaffi was democratically elected. Here's a duh for you.

      john - 2011-08-22 11:21

      world-weary, China's government isn't elected democratically either. So I presume that our govt refuses to recognise theirs?

      world-weary - 2011-08-22 11:51

      @john the UN recognises china. NO?

      john - 2011-08-22 12:08

      So are you saying that the UN isn't in line with international law?

      john - 2011-08-22 12:12

      Your point was that the rebels weren't elected democratically, and that's why we aren't recognising them. My point is simply that we recognise other governments who aren't elected democratically. So obviously that aspect alone is not the reason. The govt has other reasons for not recognising the rebels.

  • daaivark - 2011-08-22 10:26

    A politicians promise is worth less then the hot air expelled in making it.

      saabnut - 2011-08-22 10:28

      True- she is puking in public again...

  • RVQ - 2011-08-22 10:27

    Gaddafi must have some serious dirt on the ANC!

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-08-22 10:32

    "The minister also said that it will not recognise a rebel government should Gaddafi’s regime fall." WTF? So the official stand within the ANC is that a dictator such as that clown is good for Africa? You guys are a complete joke, and a laughing stock of the world.

      phumlanim - 2011-08-22 10:45

      who is the world, Europe of ASIA, in palestina, Hamas worn democratical elections, were they recognised by the so called world no. so whats the fuss

      Uncle_Tom - 2011-08-22 10:47

      So lets say Malema start a rebel army with the support of the uneducated masses, over-throws the current (useless, but legitimately constituted) Govt and turns us into Zimbabwe. Should his rebel govt be recognized???

      tailormade - 2011-08-22 11:02

      I watched some international news stations this morning & it was shocking/sad to see the negative perceptions they have about the role that the AU and Zuma has played in this whole debacle. They see South Africa as fence-sitters and supportive of Gaddafi....

      Mike or Mpho - 2011-08-22 11:16

      @phumlanim and Unlce_Tom. Very good and valid comments you both make. My issue is that we as part of the AU and the biggest player within the AU should have a better understanding of the current political turmoil in Libya (and for that matter all the other politically unstable states in the north). Unfortunately, out foreign affairs MP's and JZ are incapable of proposing any solutions to the above. They market African Solution to African challenges but all they have done so far is ...well... nothing. Lots of speeches and meetings and the use of big words, but the AU seem to have absolutely no backbone, a toothless beast.

      phumlanim - 2011-08-22 11:48

      @Mikr or Mpho, i agree with yuo then, i just hope Africa in future will elect leaders who can make and implement decision not elect leaders by how good can they talk and sing

      Uncle_Tom - 2011-08-22 12:35

      @mike/mpho - It is true that our govt is struggling to provide effective answers to the questions posed to us as members of the AU. But what exactly is an "African Solution". International politics is based on eurocentric political theory, and to diverge from this is, in terms of the global economy, suicide, unless you are India or China... I suspect that the problem with our country's position is that initial decisions and statements made by the office of the pres. are illegal and conflict with Ms. Nkoate Mashabane, and she has to date probably been caught between a rock and a hard place thanks to internal ANC politics. Still, I don't think we should get involved in any of this beyond initiating discourse, we have enough of our own issues to deal with and are no way obliged to sort out other peoples messes.

  • mlucejko - 2011-08-22 10:32

    That's interesting "The minister will NOT recognise a rebel Government" ?? So the ANC can fight for years against oppression, then be recognised by ALL democratic countries, but when the Lybian people do the same thing it won't be recognised ??? Idiot !!

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 10:48

      The nationalist government was not legitimate, but we will see who complains when Europe does not qualify for prefered supply of Libyan oil.

      Lee - 2011-08-22 10:58

      Komasa i'll think you'll find that was one of the terms of supporting the rebels......As a contractor i will also let you know the Libya gold rush for PMC's is about to start. That oil is well and truely secured already.

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 11:07

      @Lee won't be surprised you guys would sell your mothers for the sake of dominance.

      world-weary - 2011-08-22 11:18

      @Mlucejko. you forget that the anc was democratically elected. IDIOT!!

      cliffarc - 2011-08-22 12:05

      - world weary- you're confused smartar@se. Read his comment again before making your ludicrous conclusions. Sorry to say, you're the idiot.

      john - 2011-08-22 13:02

      Komasa, which country do you think received the most oil concessions from Iraq? I bet you think it was the US. China got the lion's share of the Iraqi oil concessions, they'll get the lion's share of the Libyan oil concessions too. This is where China is so clever. They don't spend a cent in military or humanitarian causes, they just wait for everyone else to do the heavy lifting and then ease in afterwards, outbidding everybody else for contracts. China recently defended its approach by stating that it has given $14m in food aid to Africa. Wow, a whole 14 million!! Who'd've thunk that such a small economy would be so generous!

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 13:58

      @John the agreement signed between the Blair government and the Libyan government was that BP would manage the Libyan oil fields and the EU would have a guarenteed oil supply in crude oil and refined fuel. That was the deal signed in a swop for the Lockerbie bomber. The Libyan government also had to pay the British government billions of dollars for setting up the deal. The rebels have since formed there own oil company and are as yet to state their policy on oil supplies. Watch the space.

  • phumlanim - 2011-08-22 10:33

    SA! Please give brother leader asylum. i will not be suprised if SA does not because it supported the UN resolution and within a day turnarround not supporting NATO act. thats a shame SA has no international affairs policy, at least yuo would expect to have african policy, seemingly our policy on africa is to sell Africa to the west not sure in return for what. may be JZ can assist

      Dmitri - 2011-08-22 10:36

      Whatever this government says, I do not believe. 10 to 1 this bastard will arrive in SA with all pomp and ceremony, just like Aristide and we taxpayers will pay for his lavish lifestyle.

      M. Khoza - 2011-08-22 10:45

      @ dmitre, I don't believe anything you say

      Dmitri - 2011-08-22 11:03

      @Khoza. Does not surprise me as you live in a fantasy world believing the lies that you have been taught. Hopefully one day you will see the light. I really hope so.

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 11:13

      @Dmitri and what is happening your land of your ancestors. No corruption or thieving going on their. If you could pay your debts you could jump on the platform and voice your opinion without bias. Living on handouts at the moment without a hope in hell of ever being able to pay it back.

      Netherlands - 2011-08-22 17:37

      Which land are you refering to Khoza? Greece? Israel?

  • Warren Hinton - 2011-08-22 10:37

    Who cares whether our idiotic no brainer government recognizes a rebel government or not.what do they think they are so important in the global plan that their rocognition is required?Moron minister concentrate on sh..t at home and not in someone elses country.

  • 1nawty0 - 2011-08-22 10:39

    mmmmmmmm...... The people of Libya have spoken....!! they are happy with the result....!! Good luck and hope all goes well in the future....!! ...... pie in the face for the ANC and Julius for backing Dictators...!!

      phumlanim - 2011-08-22 10:48

      they are dictators to yuo, heroes to us, we have freedom because of their contribution, they gave us shelter when no one was willing, VIVA liberation heroes VIVA!!

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-08-22 10:54

      The huge party they're having in Bengazi which is spreading all over the rebel held territories is evidence enough of the peoples will. I just hope the remaining Armed forces don't form into some sort of resistance movement and try to disrupt everything the new goverment does to try and rebuild the country for EVERYONE.

  • veld66 - 2011-08-22 10:40

    Inept diplomacy by Jacob shower Zuma....., Gaddafi will be killed by the rebels

      Dmitri - 2011-08-22 11:04

      Jacob shower zuma - brilliant :)

      Netherlands - 2011-08-22 17:39

      Veld66..... lets HOPE he gets killed and the Rebels parade his "NUT" on a stake thru the streets of Tripoli!

  • Vrijheid - 2011-08-22 10:40

    I wonder sometimes if these "ministers" IQ's reach 75.

      Smindlo - 2011-08-22 10:48

      I htink its just above room temperature, if not below. 75 is too high!!!

      Netherlands - 2011-08-22 17:40

      Jeez Bru.... your expectations are WAAAAAAAY to high! COMBINED, maybe 75... induvidually approx 6-15!

  • Stevie - 2011-08-22 10:42

    Two possibilities here. 1. AS the ANC has denied it, its probably true. 2. If it is not true then "Lord be praised" you do exist after all.

  • nosiphom - 2011-08-22 10:43

    "The minister also said that it will not recognise a rebel government should Gaddafi’s regime fall." And guess who will be getting contracts from the new governement - not us. What if the UN recognises the new lybian governement, we will still not recognise it. Our foreign policy is non-existent, incoherent, does not make sence. She would have been better off not making such a stupid comment.

  • Komasa - 2011-08-22 10:43

    Another article to get all the brain dead speculation going. Maybe he is going to live on George W Bush's farm.

  • Uncle_Tom - 2011-08-22 10:44

    Lol, people on this forum never fail to expose their lack of knowledge and readiness to swallow the jizz spewed by the media... Nkoana-Mashabane is actually acting inline with the Constitutional mandate to recognize international law. Whilst the Libian Govt is in effect a dictatorship, it's legitimacy is still recognized by the UN, and we are in no way offering asylum to Gaddafi. This is 100% by the book. But watch, the honorable minister will be slated by the YL etc. for acting against the "african agenda".. Well done Nkoate-Mashabane, glad to see that some people in govt are willing and able to do their jobs properly! Hellen, get rid of de Lille and get this lady in, she knows what she is doing! Just look at the job she did as MEC for Housing, best performing Housing Dept. in the country in the pre-ZUma Govt.

      Grant - 2011-08-22 10:53

      Why then have numerous European countries and the UK kicked out the Gaddafi envoys, recognised the rebel Transitional Council and released previously frozen funds to the rebels?

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 10:57

      Thanks @Uncle_Tom well said, she is also well respected internatioally, by the likes of Hillary Clinton and so on.

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 11:00

      Talking about the media she is the Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation not the Foreign Minister.

      willieman - 2011-08-22 11:02

      " Well done Nkoate-Mashabane, glad to see that some people in govt are willing and able to do their jobs properly!"You fail to expose your lack of knowledge the SA goverment voted with western and european countries and she never consulted with dictators in AU to make matters worse she did not even consult our partners in BRICS>so what is your take Mr Expert in international affairs.On top of the whole thing members of BRICS did not even vote some abstained.Pull the other one.And this matter is GOT nothing to do with Mrs Helen Zille and Mrs de Lille

      world-weary - 2011-08-22 11:11

      Finally THANKS UNCLE tom. It would seem that people are too busy criterising our government. Sometimes they get things right

      Uncle_Tom - 2011-08-22 11:25

      @Grant, the transitional council still has to ensure that "democratic" elections are held to legitimately constitute a govt, until that has happened, the rebels cannot be recognized. Thereafter, should we not recognize that govt, we will be acting in contravention of international law. Gadaffi is being charged with genocide etc. hence the kicking-out of his envoys. And I'ma white DA supporte btw, but think that, as Malema and the media have proved, our fickle electorate are easily swayed by the propaganda spewed by entities who benefit from causing racial divide...

      Komasa - 2011-08-22 11:41

      @Grant until the UN resolutions are ratified, we like everyone else in the world will wait for that process to take place. We cannot act unilatereally.

      Grant - 2011-08-22 11:50

      Uncle Tom. If the NTC is not recognised and Gaddafi is not recognised how does the International market continue to do business with the country? Does everything just go on hold until elections? The NTC have committed to free and fair elections as soon as possible after the removal of Gaddafi and they should not only be supported, but monitored to ensure this takes place.

      Uncle_Tom - 2011-08-22 11:52

      @willie - I'm no expert, I just repeat how the facts (as available) relate to the laws, it's the likes of you who "interpret" the facts and "read between the lines". Wrt to voting without consulting the AU, this is a lie. Wrt to the Brics statement, i'm not sure, but to my knowledge these countries have a "business is business" policy and couldn't really care less about politics...

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-22 10:46

    The South African government always talks in riddles. Can they please make a conclusive statement whether they would accomodate him if he were to seek asylum? Why doesn't the South African government make it clear that they distance themselves from Gaddafi and that he doesn't have their support? We have the most useless government that sit on the fence keeping their options open for bribes no doubt.

  • letsee - 2011-08-22 10:47

    We shold have no problem having Gaddafi in South Africa but it would not help him since we would have to adhere to the ICC warrant. As for recognition of a rebel government I agree with the South African government for now but if free and fair election take place the winning party will have to be accepted internationally. This concept is of course not the one Africa is used to where the will of the majority means nothing.

  • willieman - 2011-08-22 10:48

    "it will not recognise a rebel government should Gaddafi’s regime fall" so you still encourage dictators in the continent to stay in power.You voted with western countries for no fly zone when it becomes hot you try to spin doctor your blunders.Actually you should resign from your post Mrs international affairs minister.

  • ZumaGabe - 2011-08-22 10:51

    Where are your African solutions for Effrican problams now ? Bunch of ANC retards !!! And you won't recognise a rebel government ??? LOL, watch out they may very well not recognise your lazy, corrupt and incompetent guvvermint ?!?

      Kevin - 2011-08-22 11:06

      That's guvvermUnt

  • ChrisW - 2011-08-22 10:59

    Because he never took the exit offer when made and subsequently thousands have died as a consequence - he must now swing from the gallows in Tripoli in my opinion.

  • tailormade - 2011-08-22 11:00

    If I'm not mistaken, South Africa is one of the African countries that do abide by the ICC. If so, it makes a whole lot of sense that we won't offer him asylum and/or that he won't seek it here. He'll probably go to an African country that doesn't recognise the authority/mandate of the ICC.

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-22 11:02

    The conflict started months ago...why are they only sending planes to evacuate South Africans now?

  • RemoteMedic - 2011-08-22 11:03

    If only. Then SA can be declared Axis of Evil and invaded by NATO and returned to Colonial rule... Ha Ha. Man this Government is joke really, do they really think that the World is so stupid. Of course Gaddafi will be protected in SA, hell this will take the heat of that other clown Malema.

  • Ingie - 2011-08-22 11:03

    He will come here. SA has hosted many an asylum seeking crook and who live here on our Tax mone. If he is not here then where ishe. Zuma has been helping and meeting with him for a long time now so who knows maybe in Zuma's household

  • Darwinian - 2011-08-22 11:06

    Then cANCer supports him, then cANCer doesn't support him.... Which one is it now?

  • SkerP - 2011-08-22 11:06

    Minister, I think you're lying. I know this because your lips are moving.

  • struth - 2011-08-22 11:15

    I watched an interview this morning on Al Jazeera and the comments from the Libyan guy in the studio was of utter astonishment that South Africa support Gaddaffi. He asked the pertinent question. Why??

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-22 11:32

    I find this comment strange. "The minister also said that it will not recognise a rebel government should Gaddafi’s regime fall." The minister supports despots? Of course, silly me. She also supports Mugabe.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-22 11:33

    Hopefully Gaddafi has gone for good. Next on the list, Mugabe?

  • MSGRule - 2011-08-22 11:56

    There were talks in 2009 of the renaming of Pretorius street to Fidel Castro Drive and Schoeman street in Pretoria to Gadaffi drive. Reason as they were freedom fighters. More like power, money, greed hungry like the cANCer. Well now I wonder if that is still on the cards.

  • Elaine - 2011-08-22 13:27

    Hon Minister is very right, how does one recognize a a group of rebels with no leader, eventually they are gonna start another war amongst themselves, so if SA distances its self from this chaos is very right and I support it.

  • ruben.maistry - 2011-08-22 13:49

    The ANC got play their cards very carefully.Soon the ANC leaders may find themselves in a similar position.

  • Kenko - 2011-08-22 13:57

    If we ever wanted confirmation that Gadaffi will end up here, this is it.

  • slg - 2011-08-22 17:02

    This is good news. Some maturity and pragmatism at least, notwithstanding it's coming at the 11th hour.

  • Dominic - 2011-08-22 17:52

    Maite Nkoana-Mashabane is surprisingly articulate and quite pretty. A nice change from her predecessors. Unfortunately SA is still two steps behind the wily foreign strategists of the west, mainly because of the fragile African ego. International media's only commentary is that they financially benefited from Gaddafi's handouts. Typical is BBC reporting of the Kenyan assistant foreign minister: "Kenyans have seen Col Gadaffi as someone who has done very positive things - especially for the liberation movement in Africa. He played a big role in the struggle against apartheid and colonialism." He also said Col Gaddafi's apparent overthrow was bad news for the African Union, which he had helped to fund and which had sought a negotiated peace deal.

      Dominic - 2011-08-22 17:56

      Zuma made a serious miscalculation when he doubly insulted the TNC by visiting Tripoli to speak to Gaddafi twice, but each time didn't bother to visit the TNC in Benghazi.

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