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SA rapture man apologises

2011-05-24 09:27

Johannesburg - It's back to the scriptures for a group of South Africans who believed the end of the world would start on May 21.

Johannes Coetzee, a supporter of American TV evangelist Harold Camping, said they would look to the scriptures to see where they got it wrong, and they would let themselves be corrected by the scriptures.

Camping incorrectly predicted that there would be a massive earthquake and the faithful would be taken away on May 21.

Coetzee said on Monday they were disappointed, but they were still well.

He believed that people who thought like him were in the same position that Jesus’s disciples had been in when he was crucified while they thought he would become king.

The end of days is near

He admitted they were wrong and apologised, but said this was only in some aspects, like the taking away of the faithful and the earthquake.

Coetzee is convinced that something very important happened in spirit. There was a worldwide proclamation that the end of days was near.

He referred to the Bible parable of the five wise men and five foolish maidens which spoke of the waiting groom. They were now trying to establish the reason for the delay.

Coetzee remains convinced that the final end of the world will arrive on October 21, when the Earth will be consumed by fire and sulphur.

He also said the group's hotel bill and every other bill had been fully paid.

Financially, he is poorer than before, but he says he now has wealth in heaven, and adds that he wants to serve no other God.

However, he will never go back to church - he is enduring the worst judgement and ridicule from churchgoers, he said.

Comments
  • Barry M - 2011-05-24 09:31

    Redicule from Churchgoers - now there's a surprise!! Its not only churchgoers you chump!

      grumpy - 2011-05-24 09:40

      Another Prediction.... here we go again...

      123online123 - 2011-05-24 09:49

      The Christians are at one another's throats again... how Christian of them.

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-24 10:37

      @123online123...In the end it's Christians who give Christians a bad name, same goes for Muslims, whites, blacks and any other collective you care to mention. So I think it is only fair for Christians to condemn (or ridicule?) 'false' Christians like this, no? I think you're taking a cheap shot. (Coming not from a Christian, I might add.)

      Flinger - 2011-05-24 10:38

      The world is going to enddddd NOW...No wait....NOW......no, NOW...waaait...NOW...

      Makutu - 2011-05-24 11:20

      LOL!

      Stephan - 2011-05-24 13:33

      10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Now! oh no not agaian...

      Me - 2011-05-24 13:39

      @PikeLee “Our love must not be a thing of words and fine talk. It must be a thing of action and sincerity (1 John 3:18).” “The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law (Galatians 5:22)” "Seek peace, and pursue it. (Proverbs 34:14)" " You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. "- Galatians 5:13 Yes it seems to me that the Bible tells you to be "tree hugging robots", or is this not the part of the Bible you like?

      Johncarlos Biza - 2011-05-24 15:48

      Thanks god I'm atheist :P

      sarelvdwalt - 2011-05-24 16:05

      LOL... seriously, this is making dumn people look even dumber! Wonder if we could get Siener van Rensburg's opinion on this.

      Hjominbonrun - 2011-05-24 20:22

      yes, Jews, Muslim, Hindu, Atheists, Agnostics, Heathens and Buddhists must be laughing their asses off.

      Digit - 2011-05-24 22:10

      @Johncarlos Biza ..... Thank who ? ... I thought you said you were an athiest ..... you contradict yourself in 4 words !!!

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-05-24 23:29

      @Digit But he made sure to spell God with a small "g". He's a propper atheist ;p

      capetonian - 2011-05-25 08:40

      IT's just like all religions, These so-called "holy" books resulted from the work of poorly informed and extremely superstitious individuals, and are therefore open to many interpretations, and we know exactly what Islamic fundementalists want to do with "infidels", don't we! You would think that with all the accumulated verifiable information available to us now about our planet, the solar system and the Universe, that this nonsense would die out.

      Helen - 2011-05-25 09:20

      @johncarlos.... We'll see who you will be "thanks" ing when the end really does come...

      Blackup - 2011-05-25 11:29

      Maybe he should stay locked up till Oct 21st.

      GT - 2011-05-25 15:06

      @digit - are you dof boet? That was the sound of sarcasm flying over your head

  • saabnut - 2011-05-24 09:33

    Obviously taken WAY out of context. i wonder how much money they made...

      jdeeathome - 2011-05-24 11:17

      enough to pay the hotel bill

      Johncarlos Biza - 2011-05-24 15:48

      They got $18 million in donations! Thanks god I'm atheist :P

      cgg034 - 2011-05-24 19:03

      If you atheist, why you "thanks"-ing God?

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-05-25 17:48

      Shees is it that hard to grasp blatant sarcasm?!

  • CorbZA - 2011-05-24 09:36

    Oh, the irony of churchgoers ridiculing someone for their crazy beliefs! They should try forgiveness... Seeing as it's a massive part of their religion!

      PikeLee - 2011-05-24 10:44

      Who said he was not forgiven? Who are the church goers? Why cant church goers laugh with the rest of the world at such stupid things that people say and do?

      Aish - 2011-05-24 12:24

      @CorbZA, it states no one will know the date/time in the bible, why these people call themselves Christians then try predict the end baffles me. It just puts all Christians in a bad light.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:37

      Nobody has to "put christians in a bad light" They manage to do that all by themselves!

      DolceNiente - 2011-05-24 19:07

      Corbza- it's in no means ironic. Being a church-goer does not make you a Christian. I believe that Christians do not ridicule; however- all of us are fully entitled to express our disapproval when a man corrupts the lives of vulnerable illiterate people in the name of Christianity.

      Tracer - 2011-05-25 09:09

      the churchgoers are the same as these idiots, just on a smaller scale.

  • james strawson - 2011-05-24 09:38

    Has he also wrongly predicted that there in a god?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 10:58

      You have a certain level of knowledge. Is it possible that a god exists in the part of knowledge that you don't know about?

      x - 2011-05-24 11:06

      No. Not possible.

      x - 2011-05-24 11:08

      Oh sorry I still wanted to ask; which one of the 300 gods invented by man so far are we actually talking about here? Any chance, Matt, in the parts of knowledge that you are talking about, that Thor and Ra actually exist and are watching you?

      x - 2011-05-24 11:09

      Sorry for the spam - I meant 3000.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 11:13

      Matt, LMAO - that is your answer? So then, by your reasoning unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster also could exist?

      RVQ - 2011-05-24 11:56

      @SaintBruce - "man made gods" lol, good thing you met the "real" god, great to see he uses his power to start wars, disease, natural disasters... oh wait! I'm sorry that's not him, right? He's only responsible for curing disease, rescuing the trapped, giving birth...

      PikeLee - 2011-05-24 12:04

      @ james strawson: http://www.sockroll.com/Scientists-and-Spirituality-Thoughts-from-Kansas/x/fq5hkz

      x - 2011-05-24 12:13

      Matt do you agree it 'is possible' that the only real and only god is, in fact, Zeus?

      Rover_ZA - 2011-05-24 12:16

      @SaintBruce The answer is no one knows. If you were to know it would no longer be a faith, but a fact. Therefore by the very definition of what you believe you can't know for sure, but you can sure as hell believe ;-) @x Each to their own I say. There is a lot of good to come out of religion (not just Christianity) that doesn't rely on God existing, but rather in the principles coming out of religions. Of course this can also be manipulated to serve a purpose but then so can anything else. So even if he/she/other PC term didn't/doesn't exist, is it really so bad that some people believe?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:24

      @ X - is Zeus there for you when you have nothing left in life? Did Zeus create the entire universe? Did Zeus give us a manual to live by? Did Zeus say he hated it when people made statues of him? Did Zeus forgive sins? Did Zeus command Noah to build an ark and then flood the world (270+ flood legends around the world, all corresponding)? Did Zeus offer unwavering love for everyone, including those who rejected him? You can guess my answer hey :-)

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:25

      @ Rover_ZA - agreed.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 12:28

      Matt. You avoid the point. By your reasoning ALL IMPROBABLE things exist. And don't drag this to the whole big bang/evolution debate - another matter. Give me evidence that your god exists

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 12:39

      SaintBruce "I have encountered the spirit realm so my knowledge has been enriched and widened by this experience"... Please enlighten us and explain... I am genuinely interested!

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:55

      @ Ateis - giving evidence that God exists is like me asking you to give evidence that the Oort Cloud exists. In both cases one believes it is there but cannot give "in your hand" proof. But just a thought. If there are things in the Bible - which people love to relegate to being a fairytale - that CAN be proven, also regarding the creation, that would suggest that there is something there. Or if there are things that sooner support the Biblical account than the atheistic account, that would suggest the Biblical account is more plausible. In contrast, proof given for evolution, old-earth, have been hypothesised, proven to be impossible or even outright fraudulent, and are still punted as "fact" (not even theory anymore). Why are "gill slits" in foetuses still used as proof of evolution today (indirectly, proof against creation) when it was admitted to be a lie 137 years ago? To name one example. If the Bible had zero proof of anything, I cannot ask you to prove God exists. Now, given how there ARE at least some elements of the Biblical account which can be accounted for and are scientifically accurate; why don't you prove to me that there is no God? After all, you seem really sure of yourself. And in all honesty, what harm would it do you to believe there is a God? Would you keel over and die of leprosy? I know the answer, but I'll let you give it :-)

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:56

      @ NuttyZA - agreed, I'd also like to know what he meant.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 14:10

      You are repeating the same answer over and over Matt

      izaanb - 2011-05-24 14:21

      ALL YOU FOOLS REPENT! Be touched by his noodly appendages. There is only one god. And he is one of starch! Ramen!

      x - 2011-05-24 14:30

      Matt please argue YOUR point cearly. The question was: do you agree it is possible that the only and true God is Zues - considering YOUR question: "Is it possible that a god exists in the part of knowledge that you don't know about?" The answer to the Zeus question is either yes, or noand I would guess you answer 'no'? Before rambling on and on, please consider what just happened here.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 14:43

      @ X - well, had you read my post, I asked rhetotical questions. A God would be the supreme being, creator of everything, never contradicted. Zeus was... not that God. @ Ateis - I think I explained pretty well in the last post. God requires belief, nobody can tell you where He came from. Likewise, you cannot tell me what was before the big bang, that requires belief. But when one looks at the two - creation vs emergence - there are many factors that support the Biblical creation and do not support the "billions of years" story. Then, although not absolute proof, what does it point towards? Now, prove the existence of the Oort cloud please.

      x - 2011-05-24 14:54

      OMG trying to debate anything with you, Matt, is a sad affair. We both know what you meant and know that you realised the flaw in your argument it was suddenly rhetorical? LOL It was fun but I have to scream now. Bye.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 15:09

      Matt, Have you got ADD or something? Why the fetish with the oort cloud? "there are many factors that support the Biblical creation and do not support the "billions of years" story." What proof? What evidence? Please enlighten us? The old god of the gaps argument. Come up with something better

      Rover_ZA - 2011-05-24 15:14

      @x I'm interested in what you have established here. Have you successfully shown that religion is a faith? That has already been accepted. Have you shown that there are other possibilities? Given that there are multiple faiths that believe different things, it would appear clear that this is true. What is new here? Remember one thing here. A religious believer cannot prove what they believe in, it would be impossible given that it's a faith. Now to answer your question (as I understand it), Zeus cannot be the Christian god given that Christianity doesn't subscribe to the concept of multiple gods. If your question is one of academic interest regarding the possibility of Zeus being the "only and true God" regardless of different religious paradigms then the only logical answer would be no it isn't possible. If you accept the concept of an "only and true God" is that of a creator of all (given the context of the discussion I think this is a safe assumption), it would be impossible for Zeus to be the "only and true God" as he had a father, Chronos.

      x - 2011-05-24 15:36

      Rover. The whole point of this conversation is the following: Matt said that how would I (or one if you like) know for sure that there isn't a god (and we are specificlly of course talking about HIS god) considering that we don't yet know the majority of the body of knowledge of the universe. My point was that if you use that as an argument, I can argue that there is no way of knowing that Zeus isn't THE "actual" one and only god - something that I think most people would accept as not being true. The discussion had nothing to do with Christianity, but was to point out the 'tricks' that Matt likes to use in his debate. Then when he loses an argument he starts, he subverts the discussion by bringing in other concepts. Clearly it is not possible for anyone in the world to prove definitively that there is, or isn't a god or many gods... so these debates are fun while they last I guess?

      Johncarlos Biza - 2011-05-24 15:49

      @Ateis, the flying spaghetti monster does exist. I have seen the appendage in many a dream before. Hail FSM

      Matt - 2011-05-24 16:00

      @ x - when people ask me questions, I try to reply. When a few at the same time ask, I try to reply to them all. That's not bringing in concepts. And asking if God exists in a part of the knowledge that you don't have, that's not saying that is proof - that is trying to get people to think. Thinking is good... and when I do reply to a question, and the answer is not accepted, suddenly I'm not answering, covering up... is this how it works?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 16:44

      Well, let's evaluate - I've been asked about my belief, about the Bible, about other things, and I try to answer in defense. Whether or not I did a good job, that's up for interpretation. I at least tried. In contrast though, I am still NOWHERE near getting answers on how I am so grossly wrong about evolution, about the the idea that everything created itself - I've been told plenty of times there's proof, it's fact, how can anyone not believe it - but still, no examples for me to research and possibly be stunned by; no explanation of where I allegdly go wrong with the theory, no closer to discovering that which you allege to be the truth. If your ideal is to destroy people's faith in a God (any God), you'd not doing a very good job of it. Just saying...

      Matt - 2011-05-24 16:46

      @ Rover_ZA - I know we've had differences on other articles, but today, I agreed with you, respect sir. Just wanted to say that to you.

      Rover_ZA - 2011-05-24 16:49

      @x Your initial response of "No, its not possible" at the beginning was what made me think you were arguing against the possibility or speaking in absolutes with regards to this. I think (and this is just that, a thought) that (some) people don't realise that every "creation story" requires faith. A complete path (with proof) from the beginning to present day or even the start of recorded history can't be put forward based on any theories currently being mooted. People arguing for a scientifically reasoned theory appear to believe that they speak from a factual standpoint, not realising that by not understanding the intricacies of the theory, they are in fact merely another faith. A factual path doesn't exist in it's entirety, meaning presently it is still a theory, which when you think about it, is the same as religion.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 16:53

      @ Jeremy - I really do sympathise with you. My parents are both atheists, my grandparents are atheist, late relatives were atheist, and I face the same issue right now that you had as a child. Personally, I am not going to renounce something which I believe is the way because of what it tells me. I don't want to bash, but the Bible says that God loves us all, every single one of us, even our atheist relatives, all means all, and is reaching out to us. It is, however, our individual choice to accept it or not and there are consequences to everything in life. If I happen to be wrong about what I believe, on my head be it. I just hope that nobody else told you about your atheist dad going to hell as a child; it is for nobody to judge and if you encounter someone who judges, they're not judging in God's name, in my name, in anybody's name - they are desperately wrong and should know better. Peace sir.

      Daz - 2011-05-24 18:48

      @Ateis: why don't you give proof that God does not exist.

      x - 2011-05-24 21:54

      Rover: You state the folowing: "presently it is still a theory". Theory does NOT mean something that has not been proven 9as is used in common language). In science, theory means that in the ENTIRE body of human knowledge, there exists NO evidence that contradicts the theory - even in the tiniest way. For example, the Theory of Gravity - which I am sure most people would agree is correct; means that there is no knowledge whatsoever, that indicats that not all aspects of this theory of gravity is correct. The Theory of Evolution is no different, and does not imply it is some unproven idea. ALL knowledge that we have on earth that is factually proven supports this theory. There is NO human knowledge (and I don't mean faith or beliefs) that proves that this theory is NOT correct. That is what theory means.

      Kaliel - 2011-05-24 22:35

      @ Matt - dude you want proof of the phenomenal power of evolution, then read the scientific literature, study biochemistry, study zoology, the fossil record - layer upon layer upon layer of the most compelling and phenomenal evidence that we have developed slowly and surely, increasing in wonder and complexity. I find studying the real world far more interesting and exciting than a dull biblical story repeated over and over again, written down by people thousands of years ago who had no clue how phenomenal this universe actually is. Sometimes understanding glimpses of this universe takes my breath away in a far more profound manner than a dull biblical story about a miracle that no-one can really validate and everyone has to use "faith" to hang on to the old story. Nothing I have said above refutes God, I think it actually supports the existence of a creator in a far more mind boggling manner than your bible stories do. Many physicists, mathematicians and especially quantum physicists cannot deny the plausibility of a creator, it is the uber religious, desperately hanging onto their ancient outdated ideas and stories who are actually more of a stumbling block to revealing the awe of the universe and the possibility of `God to others. I think it is time religious but ignorant people caught a wake up and opened their eyes and ears and used their brains a bit, this is not the year 100AD my friend.You think god put all those thousand of dinosaur fossils in the ground just for fun

      Rover_ZA - 2011-05-25 08:47

      Throughout history many scientific paradigms have first been adopted as a theory before later being tossed out due to more complete information becoming available. Now I don't claim there is more complete information available, however the points of concern I have with regards the theory of evolution lead me to treat it with skepticism. The comparison between evolution and religion that I was trying to make I think still stands on the story of creation. I agree with your definition completely. However your definition requires faith that no new information comes to light to disprove it for you to accept it. If you look at scientific history this is a common enough phenomenon. At the end of the day, there is still an element of faith to the belief in evolution and that is the only comparison I was trying to make. I was just trying to show that as long as this debate rages, the two sides may not be so far apart in their following of their own theories. Personally, I'm undecided and waiting for more information. It is important to note I don't claim evolution isn't possible, or even unlikely, just that the complete facts don't exist meaning that you have to believe when the facts come out they will support the theory and not disprove it. Belief is a powerful thing.

      capetonian - 2011-05-25 08:48

      What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without proof. The only "evidence" of god is man-made, as god was made in the likeness of man, all hundreds of them down the millenia, to explain the inexplicable to the superstitious and, for many "religions", a good means of making a living!

  • Percy Higgins - 2011-05-24 09:38

    Coetzee not going back to church is much lke the footballers who abandoned his team to go it alone.

      DolceNiente - 2011-05-24 19:11

      Percy, what Coetzee has done is not far removed from the corruption and hypocrisy of the church.

  • Felix - 2011-05-24 09:39

    I wonder if he sits alone at night wondering if e just didn't make the cut? Shame must be crap to know Andy doesn't want to keep his toy.

  • David Costin - 2011-05-24 09:40

    "Coetzee remains convinced that the final end of the world will arrive on October 21" If you feel that strong that it is going to happen, transfer all your money and property to me.

      Achmed - 2011-05-24 11:01

      @David Costin: You are too late he had already promised his car to Rian on OFM radio last week. Lets see if he can keep his promises.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:04

      So publish your bank details here, everyone promises not to plunder it before then... hehehe

  • ruadrauflessa - 2011-05-24 09:40

    "and the faithful would be taken away on May 21"... well maybe there are no faithful left to be taken away :P

  • GallPill - 2011-05-24 09:43

    Why do idiotic fools like this get any airtime, in fact why are they allowed air at all !?

      Just Think About It - 2011-05-24 10:25

      Because it's funny, and God knows when we need a good laugh!

      Lauren - 2011-05-24 12:05

      Those people losing all their money is funny to you and your God?

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:38

      Lauren Must be - but then again the god of the bible is a sick, twisted megalomaniac of a character is he not?

  • Stanton - 2011-05-24 09:49

    Die mense is gepla met die nommer 21.

  • nyatiphotography - 2011-05-24 09:49

    Bunch of Half wits - Idiots !!

      Jannie - 2011-05-24 10:27

      Why do you compliment them by stating they are half wits? If you said no-wits more reality-guys would agree with you.

  • psydomx - 2011-05-24 09:50

    DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR............

  • RobinAL - 2011-05-24 09:51

    Please guys get your predictions right not on a Saturday like the last one now it's a Friday please leave the END for a Monday or Tuesday as not to spoil the WEEKENDS.

      Ching Ching - 2011-05-24 14:26

      Yes, I was worried the whole weekend, if you take into account the timezones, I didn't know when it was going to hit!

  • Freelance Writer - 2011-05-24 09:53

    You have "wealth in Heaven" do you? Are you sure about that? Seeing as how nobody knows the mind of God, implying that you do is something akin to extreme arrogance and vanity, wouldn't you think?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:31

      Depends what one means by wealth. One can be materialistically poor but have a loving family, that person is far wealthier than a chap in Sandton who has the Jaguar but not the family.

  • anna - 2011-05-24 09:53

    They really want the world to end it seems ... Don't they have ANYTHING to live for??

  • fieldforcesa - 2011-05-24 09:56

    CorbZA Spot on!

  • soldsoul - 2011-05-24 09:56

    Idiots like coetzee have been predicting the end of the world for 100's of years. The biggest causes of war and death through the ages have been politics and religion.One group of nuts are always trying to convince the other that their beliefs and views are right and everybody else is wrong. Inevitably this leads to war.

      mbossenger - 2011-05-24 11:21

      @Matt - what the hell is a "Darwin-wielding atheist?" Do you realise many christians do accepts the (proper) theory of evolution? Do you also realise you are trying to equate social darwinism with the theory of evolution.

      enrolics - 2011-05-24 11:28

      @ Matt grow a brain please. Seriously, if the crusaders had nuclear weapons and the military weapons of today, there would be NO humans left. Further more in that time, the population density of people were much smaller compared to that of the last 100 years. Those crusaders were barbaric in the least. And by the way Hitler was not a athiest.

      mbossenger - 2011-05-24 12:26

      @Matt - my point being that evolution isn't an "atheist theory"

      avaricesa - 2011-05-24 12:59

      @matt, what you forget to mention and what a lot of people don't realise when pointing fingers at Stalin and Hitler, what backgrounds were they brought up in? Christian homes? Hmm

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:05

      @ Mbossenger - yes, and there are atheists who absolutely don't care either - I was a bit like that when I was one, I believed evolution but honestly didn't care that much... some people who aren't atheist can also believe in evolution, but you know what - if an atheist does NOT believe it, they have no explanation for how they came to be - so if someone actually challenged them to think for once, what would happen? Either they will fight based on a limited amount of evolution knowledge "well everyone knows it's true, you're dumb", or it may dawn on them that maybe someone or something did create everything - but usually a passing thought as such people are more passionate in their denial and hatred of a possible celestial being than of thinking and maybe (or maybe not) acknowledging there may well be one. (besides, even the ones who don't care about what the origins are, still care a little... either enough to accept evolution as an unquestioned fact, or enough to make fun of people who believe otherwise)

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:41

      Matt, Just because you didn't "care" to read up on evolution (past your Kent Hovind collection) does not mean everyone else is like that. Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Not quite the same as ppl who follow where science and the EVIDENCE leads them now is it?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:44

      @ Ateis - just a question. The only bone in the human body that grows back when removed in a certain way is the lower rib. Why do you suppose that is? (btw this you can get from many sources, not just pro-creation sources)

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 14:09

      Matt: Not only the lower rib, but all ribs can grow back in this fashion if shortened the right way. What does that have to do with anything? Is that your "evidence" for genesis? You have a problem proving that your magician created the universe. First you have to prove that the universe had a creator. Then you have to prove your magician exists. Then, still, you have to prove that your magician as opposed to any of the other was the actual creator. So what have you got so far? Let me guess... *the bible tells you so?*

      Matt - 2011-05-24 14:48

      @ Ateis - if I said that a 2000 year old table had no creator, you would call me an idiot, even though nobody can prove who created it (obviously a carpenter). Yet we would agree that it was created. And yet you call people dumb for believing that the universe was created. Why? Going by the fact that for thousands of years, belief in a creator God (various religions) was the norm and the known fact, and your way of thinking was only popularised in the last 150 years or so, I would say the burden of proof is on YOU. So now please enlighten us with your newer theory that everything came from nothing and kinds magically transform into other kinds.

      avaricesa - 2011-05-24 15:02

      @Matt, can God create a crock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 15:07

      Matt, Why do you ask me the rib question, then when you don't get the half-truth you hold as the truth you ignore the post? "Yet we would agree that it was created" *sigh* So, by your argument everything has a creator? Who created your creator? "Going by the fact that for thousands of years, belief in a creator God (various religions) was the norm and the known fact, and your way of thinking was only popularised in the last 150 years or so, I would say the burden of proof is on YOU" What a bad argument! So, the fact that nature worship was done for thousands of years makes it the truth? Come on! Matt, you don't understand how the burden of proof works. You claim that god exists - therefore the burden of proof is on YOU. As for the whole "last 150 years or so" - you got to be kidding. Do you know how far we've come during the last 150 years? As for evolution being "magical" - no. It's science. And every day new discoveries are made that PROVE the theories. Have you heard of the Lenski experiment? Probably not as it's not in your bible.

      avaricesa - 2011-05-24 15:14

      *rock, woops

      Matt - 2011-05-24 15:21

      Ateis, what about the experiments done to recreate life in a lab, which had all the chemical elements required, yet only produced 2 amino acids, which were 98% toxic? (life requires a lot more than 2 amino acids btw). It needed oxygen to work, but oxygen would oxydise it. If, as is suggested by evolution, we are but a conglomerate of chemicals, then why can we not create life?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 15:22

      @ avaricesa - I'd say God is capable of anything, but go on and tell me ...

      Matt - 2011-05-24 15:25

      @ Ateis - I never said the growing back of the rib was proof at all! I just threw that in and got attacked for it. But as you ask and accuse, do please use your intelligence to explain WHY a rib would grow back - you really need your arms but they won't grow back if severed, why specifically the rib?

      avaricesa - 2011-05-24 15:39

      @Matt, you obviously didn't understand the question.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 16:49

      Matt I am growing weary of you. You don't answer posts but you expect answers to your questions. As for your mention of creating life - what is your point? That, because it's not been done it MUST be god? Don't you get tired of the god of the gaps argument? There are MANY theories regarding the creation of life, panspermia and abiogenesis being but two. Dr Venter in the USA recently did create life, but you'd probably say it's not complex life. My opinion? Something which will happen in science. Just give it time.

      BrixtonBriefcase - 2011-05-24 23:29

      @Matt - you're a junkie. Just like a drug addict or an alcoholic, religion turns those in it's clutches into twisters and turners of words and concepts in order for them to get their "fix". You talk about the theory of creation being accepted for thousands of years - thereby making it correct. Do yourself a favor and go and have a look at Christianity's track record and conduct over the last 2000 years - then you tell me whether you REALLY believe it really is what it pretends to be when it's all sugar coated and "feelgood". It's a con, and in no way a force for good in this world. Wake up dude. You're wasting your life!

      capetonian - 2011-05-25 08:57

      There is evidence linking the Vatican to the disappearance of leading Nazis after World War 11 ended. Hitler had support there; after all they certainly didn't like the Jews. Being blamed for killing Christ.....

      Enuff - 2011-05-26 11:20

      @ Matt & Ateis : Will it honestly make that much of a difference to your lives to just let each other believe what you want to believe?? Who knows maybe the truth is a little bit of both. Oh, the arrogance of man (the species, not the gender) - sigh.

  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-05-24 09:57

    Here comes another prediction: There's gonna be a whole heap more ridicule heading their way on October 22. But seriously folks - what kind of demented fool would look forward to the end of the world? If aliens tried to destroy our planet, you can bet your sweet bippy we'd put up a fight. But noooo, if God does it, it's The Best Thing Ever! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

      stoffels - 2011-05-24 10:07

      Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed!!

      Jannie - 2011-05-24 10:38

      If he was so sure he would be taken to the pearly gates, why did he not pay his hotel account in advance? Or was he thinking the hotel-manager would be so happy that the world did not end, that he would not charge them? Did they run up some bar accounts to be settled after 21st while watching the rugby? I think I now understand why they are unhappy that the world did not end.

      capetonian - 2011-05-25 09:01

      The power of brain washed delusion in many cases from childhood....that's what organised religion stives to achieve; converts for life. BUT its changing, as you can see from the many comments in these columns.

  • Anonymus - 2011-05-24 09:59

    man probably has a better chance of wiping himself out before this so called rapture occurs.......

      RVQ - 2011-05-24 12:01

      We will be our own destruction but the religious will say it was...

      Kaliel - 2011-05-24 22:47

      Man will wipe himself out, that's a given, its the natural process of evolution. 99.99% of every species that has ever existed on this planet is extinct, why should we be any different - you evolve until you dominate your environment, then your numbers explode, then your environment cannot support you anymore, it changes irreversibly and poof you are canned into the dustbin of evolution to make way for the species right behind you in the line. Methinks, a couple of million years from now a race of super cockroaches will rule the planet and they will dig up our fossils and our buildings and teach their kids about how stupid we were in just the same way we teach our kids about stupid dinosaurs. Life is just a long goodbye, enjoy the ride and live every day like your last - that is the secret.

      capetonian - 2011-05-25 09:08

      There have been several major extinctions of life on our planet. All to do with events that we have no control over. Nothing to do with evolution! And it WILL happen some time in the future: asteroid, mega volcano eruption or super nova explosion too close for comfort! The last is the most scary as there will be no warning! But not to get too worried, as the chances are mathematically extremely small.

  • LJ Graey - 2011-05-24 10:00

    Lol... that's it believers... turn on each other...

  • joy.termorshuizen - 2011-05-24 10:00

    " Organised religion is the refuge of scoundrels"

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:14

      Religion is poison - Mao Tse Tung. So go live in China and be happily religion-free...

      x - 2011-05-24 11:40

      Not needed. It is only a matter of time before the entire world is mostly religion free. Unfortunately it is going to take some time, but humanity will get there eventually.

      x - 2011-05-24 12:17

      It has nothing to do with being minority. It will just take the next significant scientific discovery - and poof goes your religion.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:33

      @X - so what was the first significant scientific discovery then? Oh if you mean the earth being round, well the Bible said that to begin with, that was the RCC's bad...

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:06

      Matt The bible states the earth is flat and that the sun was made after the plants. Scientific indeed.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:11

      Ateis - Isaiah 40:22: It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth Now, please explain to the readers why this does not mean the earth is round, but is actualy flat. Thank you in advance.

      avaricesa - 2011-05-24 13:18

      @Matt, circles are flat, SPHERES are round

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:43

      Matt, to add to avaricesa: http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm And how do you account for the weird account in genesis that I mentioned? Let me guess, snakes and donkeys can talk according to you?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:48

      @ avaricesa. Good point! Though, if you go in a plane and are 10km in the sky, do you see a sphere or a circle? BTW, both circles and spheres are round. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat. So what do you think the Bible's take on things would be?

      schmerz - 2011-05-24 13:51

      @avaricesa, you won't hear a thing if you don't pull your fingers out of your ears. Only way to understand is to go there with the intention of understanding

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 14:04

      Matt, I gave you a link with info on the whole bible flat earth thing. I see you choose to ignore it. As for the 10km up in the sky - did they fly up with jesus or just how exactly did that work?

      Neil - 2011-05-24 14:44

      @ Matt: You base all your arguments solemnly on the Bible. This is your source? A book which was written by man and not a deity (God). And might I ad written a couple of thousand years ago before science proved that the world was round. It's the same as a person uses the silence of the lambs book as a reference to cooking! How credible is that?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 14:54

      @ Ateis - I didn't ignore the link, I only looked at it now. All it achieved was pity. So "four corners of the earth" is meant to be an indication of a square? So if I visited Canada, Falklands, Japan and Australia, what would you call that? It's still a ball, but I went to all four corners (look at an atlas). Or, what would you call North-South-East-West - 4 directions that would cover everything, but doesn't mean we're in a square. As for being 10km above the earth - now you're just playing. My point is, if YOU are in a plane and look outside, you see it's round. Do you see a circle or a sphere? You see it's round.

      mbossenger - 2011-05-24 15:06

      "So what was the first significant scientific discovery then? Oh if you mean the earth being round, well the Bible said that to begin with" - actually the Greeks said it in about 6BCE.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 16:46

      Matt Its back to that magical silver bullet of "personal interpretation" of bible verse is it? How does a sphere have four corners?

  • BlackPoison - 2011-05-24 10:01

    Ag give it a freaking rest. This is pathetic. Everyday is Rapture day for all that dies so why the hell worry about some day nobody knows of.

  • illegalflowa - 2011-05-24 10:04

    No one will ever know when the end will come!!! It says so in the BIBLE!!!. and sorry to burst your bubble but we are already in hell. Hell is on earth and NO one but NO one will know when the actual time will be. Christians should have more faith and believe what the word says and stop listening to idiots like this guy that is only seeking attention!! .....and you call your self a Christian!! Pathetic!!

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:16

      What about the fire and brimstone, also in the Bible? Or the parable in Luke 16:20 onwards? Yes, life on earth is horrible for various reasons, besides blessings like family and Cadbury's ;-) but after all this, there's a heaven and a hell - the latter making the hell on earth seem like paradise.

  • esther - 2011-05-24 10:05

    does he not know history. does he not know that they changed the years? it is sad that nobody can do anything against these people seeing as they can create mass fear . i believe it is a scary person. secondly if the world would come to an end we mere mortals would not know in advance. so these "preachers" are false

  • Han Solo - 2011-05-24 10:05

    Has he ever considered that maybe... just maybe, the bible is complete and utter fiction? To think otherwise is just naive.

      capeman - 2011-05-24 10:13

      For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Cor 1:18, ESV)

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-05-24 10:34

      @ Hans - I'm a christian and don't exactly follow the bible 100% as it is man written after all, and there are versus that contradict each other. I do however believe in God, his son and the Holy spirit and when i need advise i pray.

      Han Solo - 2011-05-24 10:57

      I rest my case.

      Keenan - 2011-05-24 10:57

      Playing with fire my boym you';re gona get burn't

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:22

      @ Han Solo - complete and utter fiction? So, what about the stuff that is proven through historical account, or the stuff that gives science that "clever people" only discovered in recent years? I mean, you give with such authority the idea that it's completely untrue, but you wash your hands to keep clean because of Leviticus 5 ("discovered" in 1849"), you write your filth on a medium using Job 36:25 (electromagnetic waves, "discovered" in the 1840s)... just saying. Now before you make an "absolute" statement about something which is only your view, think about that. Now go back to your science book and read the verse that says you came from the priomorial soup. Now go to Checkers and kneel in worship to the soup aisle. Koo and All Gold are your gods. BTW, I take the Bible literally, marvel at that which can be proven and believe in that which has not yet been proven. I respect your right to believe in stories, so respect our rights as well, and stop making remarks that are clearly intended to insult believers. Otherwise, you will just expose yourelf to the readers as a hateful cretin.

      Terrence - 2011-05-24 11:27

      Agreed Han Solo. The only proof these guys ever have is quoting the bible. I should start quoting Star Wars as fact.

      Han Solo - 2011-05-24 12:56

      Arrrgh! I'm a hateful cretin! job:45:8 and Spermicidus 4:2 and Psalms 678 versus 5 through 11 Chapter 4c....... I'm sorry what? Get us outta here Chewie!

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:05

      Matt: "BTW, I take the Bible literally, marvel at that which can be proven and believe in that which has not yet been proven" What has been proven? Pray tell? You take it literally - so you kill your kids when they are disobedient, kill people who work on the sabbath? And then you believe the earth is +/- 6000 years old as well?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:29

      @ Ateis. Okay... imagine you are using a PC with internet, or a cellphone, to ask that question. The device needs to be powered with electricity (either a plug or a battery charger). You also need electromagnetic waves to send and receive messages (goes for Tv, radio, etc as well). Job 38:35: Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are? (is God saying one can use electricity to send messages, 4000 years ago?) Or, when you wash your hands under a tap. Water, washing, running water. Read Leviticus 5. Sounds elementary but till 1849, nobody knew about hygiene. But the Scripture said it to be so 4000 years ago. Another: Job 38:16: Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? Previously this passage was mocked to the max. Till they found springs in the sea in 1974. And just one for fun: Proverbs 30:33 ...the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood (it does, but hopefully you don't need a demo!) That's just off the top of my head - I had a Google after this and found some more, but I won't copy-paste. So check http://www.creationists.org/scientific-foreknowledge-in-the-bible.html - ignore the creationist part (which I know you would anyway), this is purely for a few more elements of modern-day science foretold in the Bible. Quite stunning. If you'll excuse me, I need to eat - sadly we haven't evolved a "prevent hunger" gene just yet ;-)

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 13:31

      Matt Job 36:25 All humanity has seen it; mortals gaze on it from afar. Where do you get electromagnetic waves from that?????

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:31

      @ Ateis - yes, I believe the earth is around 6000 years old, and that's another debate on its own (but rest assured my belief is not blind). And if you'd read the Bible, you'd know about Jesus fulfilling all kinds of laws and preaching compassion - no, I don't kill kids (mosaic law) and yes, the sabbath is still holy (commandment).

      avaricesa - 2011-05-24 13:42

      "Sounds elementary but till 1849, nobody knew about hygiene" Are you kidding me? ever heard of bath houses from the Romans?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:50

      @ NuttyZA - my bad, I keep getting the number wrong. But I posted the correct one here: 38:25. @ avaricesa - you may run water for a bath, but once it's filled, it is stagnant... now go read about Dr Ignaz Semmelweis.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 14:03

      Matt, You gotta be shitting me! Electricity? Out of that verse? What are you smoking dude? How about any real evidence that your god exists like a MANIFESTATION - the kind that happened all of the time in the biblical times, thinking here of fire pillars in the sky - MIRACLES, like ppl being ressurected, water into wine? Healed amputees? As for your cop out on the old testament quote, let me remind you: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." -Luke 16:17 NAB How typical Matt. You "believe" in the literal truth of the bible but yet you pick and choose WHICH verses apply to you?

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 14:12

      Matt Job 38:25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm Still not getting electromagnetic waves??? And you asked someone else in an earlier post, What the harm is believing in god? There is no harm believing in a god (as a general rule, unless it causes you to commit acts of terror etc) BUT that is like saying, what is the harm in believing in Father Christmas... there is no harm whatsoever, other than the fact that you are deluded yourself!

      Matt - 2011-05-24 14:56

      @ NuttyZA - having a bad day with numbers... but I did post it earlier in this strand: 38:35: Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 14:59

      Ateis - nice quotes, what's the point? Now give the Ctrl and C buttons a rest.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 15:15

      Matt... Still not getting electromagnetic waves... Lightning yes, and I am sure lightning was around when this book was written... The entire verse is about God saying to Job, I am god, I can do these things (like create lightning) and you can't... Funny thing is tho, that these days, we CAN create lightning!!!

      ex-pat - 2011-05-24 15:18

      Matt, you said you work. I'm glad you don't work for me; you're a bit of an idiot. An amiable one, but still an idiot.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 15:27

      @ NuttyZA - yes indeed. What does lightning consist of?

      Slayer - 2011-05-24 15:33

      Hey Matt... Tell them the story of the baby dinosaurs on the ark...

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 15:34

      Matt, so let me get this straight... the bible mentions lightning in a verse which is all about god telling Job that he is God and can do things like create lightning and humans can't, and you get from that Electromagnetic Waves which we humans didn't discover until the 1840's... So you don't think Lightning existed when the book of Job was written????? Lightning is electrostatic energy btw!

      x - 2011-05-24 15:49

      OMG Matt: the earth is only 6000 years old. ROTFLMAO!!!

      Matt - 2011-05-24 16:05

      @ expat - so I'm having a quiet spell. Glad I don't work for you either, I'll never flee SA again. I can go on about previous jobs and glowing references but honestly, why...

      lotus.lindi - 2011-05-24 20:00

      "complete and utter fiction"? That is a truly ignorant statement. The Bible is -at the very least!- an extremely reliable historical text. "naive"? Shame.

      Kaliel - 2011-05-24 22:56

      @Matt, dude you are doing the Christian faith more damage than good in these posts - take your zeal and chill a while, you are being a real d''s.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-25 07:27

      Lotus.Lindi. Is the Bible an extremely reliable hostorical text?? I do not think so. Lets take the book of genesis! 2 (differing) accounts of the "creation", which any logical, sane person will tell you can not possibly be correct. Then we have the story of Adam and Eve, again, a nonsensical story if taken literaly... Lets skip another 4000 years (on a creationist timescale) into the future and we have 4 differing accounts (admitedly on minor differences BUT they are there) of the Life a someone called Jesus Christ. Firstly, these accounts were written literaly hundreds of years apart and form 30 to +- 200 to 300 years after Jesus (supposed) death. Secondly, there is no other written texts from this time outside of the gospels which even mention Jesus and the Romans were pretty good at recording events of the time... the bible has about as much historical credibility as Harry Potter does!

  • Tired - 2011-05-24 10:06

    If you read Ecclesiastes 1 vs 4 : One generation passethaway ,and another generation cometh:but the earth abideth for ever? The 1000 years Millenuim will be on earth then the new heaven and New earth will come together.

  • cj.venter - 2011-05-24 10:08

    Deu 13:5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

  • Le - 2011-05-24 10:09

    For true guidance do not trust in the words of men but the power and the word of God. In the first book of the new testament is the answer: Mathew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Do not condemn God for the actions of men.

      avaricesa - 2011-05-25 11:28

      "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But the Son is the Father?

  • Le - 2011-05-24 10:12

    I don't understand why so many Christians are at each other over the prophesy that didn't happen when the answers is in the book we all claim to read so much. 1 Corinthians 2:5 so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power. Mathew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

  • RJ - 2011-05-24 10:13

    The bible says that no-one knows when the end will come, clearly these people are not following the truth - Mark 13 (NIV) The Day and Hour Unknown 32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Be on guard! Be alert[e]! You do not know when that time will come. The word of God also says that in the end times false prophets will rise up, so don't fall for everything you hear, look it up first!

      zistros - 2011-05-24 12:30

      what if, just what if these scriptures in the bible were 1 of these prophesies made ages ago and when they saw that it was not happening and they changed the scriptures to no 1 knows...

  • Jakob - 2011-05-24 10:14

    there u go, christian fill ur mind with all boohoopoopoo.. Jah Jah Jah! legalize it brotha's

  • freddie van eyk - 2011-05-24 10:15

    Don't take the bible too seriously , it was written by man after all.

  • elizekh - 2011-05-24 10:19

    Maybe stop trying to predict the date- we know its near but Jesus told us that only the Father know when this will happen. If your predictions made people take note of their lives then it is a good thing - all we can do is pray and hold on to Jesus as our salvation.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-05-24 10:20

    Uhm yes and Juju have a cum laude on his matric certificate!

  • Timothy - 2011-05-24 10:21

    No man will ever predict the end of time not even the angels in heaven will know the day nor the hour , so who are these idiots to say these things , NB the Meek will inherit the earth meaning the world will not end !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • zulufox - 2011-05-24 10:22

    He was taken out of context... He didn't mean it like what... It was a metaphoric irony juxtaposed as an oxymoron

  • Slayer - 2011-05-24 10:25

    To mr Johannes Coetzee: Next time you have a thought, just let it go..

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-05-24 10:27

    LOL....he apologised...obviously a problem with his network...

  • Gawie S - 2011-05-24 10:27

    Maybe Johannes you should read Mark 13:32 - The Day and Hour Unknown 32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

      snaily - 2011-05-24 11:00

      Did the father wispher that in man that wrote the book of marks ear?

      Barry - 2011-05-24 13:06

      @ snaily Learn to spell It is whisper and not wispher Now we can see why you have the name snaily (brain as slow as a snails)

      snaily - 2011-05-24 13:17

      I'm typing on a cell phone while I'm working, chop. Did I spell that right.

      zulufox - 2011-05-24 13:41

      lol... you guys make me laugh!

      Stephen Berry - 2011-05-24 16:33

      And the father hasnt felt like talking to people anymore like he used too in the biblical days. I wonder when he is going to inspire someone to write the sequal to the bible.

      Noname - 2011-05-24 20:45

      Shit, i called my father and he doesn't know anything about that.

  • Gavin - 2011-05-24 10:27

    Whew - at least it'll be after the rugby world cup. This begs the question: how many people have accurately predicted the end of the world......

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:25

      True... though be the World Cup before or after the Rapture, one thing is certain and doesn't need predicting - my home team (England) will not win it... Good luck to the Boks!

      Barry - 2011-05-24 13:07

      Nobody ever

      Hadaya - 2011-05-24 13:49

      @Matt: Do you ever work buddy?

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 14:24

      Sh!t Matt... not only do you post A load of Creationist Nonsense BUT you are also a traitor to England... shame on you!!! England have every chance of winning the Rugby World Cup (Don't forget they were runners up last time and Winners the time before that)... In fact, I would go as far to say that England are better at Rugby than at any other sport (i.e. Football or Cricket) at the moment!

      Matt - 2011-05-24 15:02

      @ Hadaya - yes, long and hard. @ NuttyZA - great, something else to attack me on... would it help to say I'm a dual citizen and could pick either side? No doubt if I said the Boks were rubbish, you'd complain about that too. Anyway, England were awesome in 2003, rubbish in 2007 and I have no idea how they got to the final, but they did. A lot of the old guard is retired now and I'm not all that hopeful - but show me an England supporter who ever is?

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-24 15:56

      I am also a dual national Matt... but will always support England over the Boks... Anyway, I'm not picking on you!!! You are quite entitled to support the boks... I do as well, Unless they are playing England!!! :)

      Matt - 2011-05-24 16:05

      @ NuttyZA - amen to that :-)

  • Rika - 2011-05-24 10:28

    God please forgive them cause they don't know what they are doing,only You know...we must be ready every day!All this will happen in Your time not ours!

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:26

      Amen Rika. Ironically it's the God-given free will that people are allowed to be idiotic like this Joahnnes Coetzee, and the God-given free will for all these atheists to come on here and tell the world how much they hate religion. Of course, they won't admit to that...

      snaily - 2011-05-24 12:18

      @mat. we don't hate religion. We also don't believe we came from rocks.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 12:38

      @ Snaily - not indirectly, I'll give you that. All I can say is, just read the theory of how the earth was formed and how life was formed, and you will see what I mean by "we came from a rock". If you all don't hate religion - why is it that at the first sign of an article relating to faith, there are immediately many comments stating that it's make-believe, phoney, fairytales, and some even say believers are stupid? Besides that being rather hateful, why would such people do this with such zeal?

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:03

      Matt, And you believe you came from dust?

      snaily - 2011-05-24 13:29

      @mat. I believe in a higher power jus not wot the bible thinks that higher power is.

      JMan - 2011-05-24 13:31

      God reads news24?

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:52

      @ Ateis - and what do you think the "dot" was? Or infintesimal region, nebula, call it what you want...

      Matt - 2011-05-24 13:52

      @ Snaily - ah ok :-)

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 13:58

      Matt Dot? What dot? Are you speaking in tongues?

      schmerz - 2011-05-24 14:21

      Being made out of the earth's soil, to me, means that we were made as carbon-based life. Scientific discoveries actually prove and support the viability of the Bible

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 15:02

      "Scientific discoveries actually prove and support the viability of the Bible" Only in your head, mate.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 15:03

      @ Ateis - I gave you 2 other descriptions of the dot that you will find in any textbook, what more do you want, spoon-feeding?

      Stephen Berry - 2011-05-24 16:37

      I hope god does not forgive in alphabetical order. By the time he has finished the A's, he will have to restart as some new sinners would have reappeared in A. So the B's and uunder will not get a chance.

      Ateis - 2011-05-24 16:45

      Matt: "I gave you 2 other descriptions of the dot that you will find in any textbook, what more do you want, spoon-feeding?" Please enlighten me as to what the hell you are talking about or admit you are a troll?

  • SuperCal - 2011-05-24 10:29

    Maybe there were no faithful to take away

  • Colline - 2011-05-24 10:30

    why doesn't this a$$hole just shut his pie hole instead of trying to incite panic. moron

  • Sapere Aude - 2011-05-24 10:30

    This American idiot has it wrong in anycase. Jesus said ''to God, a day is like a thousand years'' as a metaphor to show that God is eternal, untouched by time. Now he took this literally and came up with some stupid formula that showed May 21st as the Rapture. Not all Christians are as half witted as he is! Glory to God!

  • anne d - 2011-05-24 10:30

    Is the world only going to end for Christians? What does other religions say, like Allah, he has a lot of followers on earth, does he not get a vote in the matter, and satan, surely he needs advance notice to prepare millions of extra hot stones for the damned?

  • Generaal101 - 2011-05-24 10:32

    Mnr Coetzee Gaan lees wat sê daardie Byble van jou van die antichrist en valse profeet. DROL!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Mrs Daniels - 2011-05-24 11:01

      Lees jy ooit jou bybel, watter reg het jy om vir hom i D***L te noem?

      DolceNiente - 2011-05-24 19:16

      Nee mevrou Daniels- vertel gou vir ons wat die Bybel oor die woord 'drol' te se het?

  • rx - 2011-05-24 10:33

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  • Craig Edmondson - 2011-05-24 10:33

    Did it ever occur to the tit that he may not have made the roll call and got left behind!!!!!!!!!!!! he he he he ............cough.

  • Baba Keziah - 2011-05-24 10:36

    Coetzee, if you still maintain that the end will be realized on the 21 October, what reason do you therefore have to go back to Scriptures to see where you and the Camping team went wrong? You are misleading people. Just preach Christ, crucificed, risen and is coming back-no one knows the day or hour he is coming. Thanks

  • IvanS - 2011-05-24 10:38

    WTF???? This guy should be locked up, along with anyone dumb enough to believe him and/or this absolute crap about the end of the world. There is more of a chance of bumping into the Easter Bunny in isle 4 at the supermarket. Seriously, get a life.

      Matt - 2011-05-24 11:27

      Funny you should say that - I was at Montecasino a few weeks ago and there were many Easter Bunnies. My son had a ball getting chocolate from them.

      JesusChrist - 2011-05-24 18:24

      @Matt. "My son had a ball getting chocolate from them." OMG! Please tell me you don't have a child!!