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SA sold R70m weapons to Libya

2011-04-10 11:07

Johannesburg - The National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC) annual report for 2010 showed that South Africa sold weapons to Libya worth about R70m last year, the Sunday Independent reported.

This included Category A weapons worth R1.9m, Category B weapons worth R10.7m and Category C weapons worth R56.2m.

NCACC chairperson and Justice Minister Jeff Radebe said South Africa exported arms worth R80.9m to Libya between 2003 and 2009.

He refused to say whether more weapons went to Libya last year ahead of that country's civil unrest.

South African law prohibited the sale of weapons to countries where they may contribute to international repression, human rights violations or were likely to escalate regional military conflicts, endanger peace or threaten regional stability.

The NCACC was supposed to oversee weapons and military equipment transactions to ensure this did not happen.

Last year government approved the sale of more than R35bn of military hardware to 78 of the world's most repressive regimes according to the report.

In addition, it approved 345 weapons contracts with 83 countries to the value of R27.7bn as well as 3 536 arms export permits worth R8.3bn and allowed imports from 69 countries valued at R3.9bn.

Officially sanctioned weapons exports included: Algeria (R158.3m), Azerbaijan (R119.1m), Burundi's (R119.1m), Equatorial Guinea (R5.8m), Pakistan (R34.6m), China (R60.5m) and Saudi Arabia (R68.2m).

Comments
  • motsokwane - 2011-04-10 11:18

    So when did the uprising in Lybia start? Do you imply that South Africa sold them the weapons knowing that there will be what is happening there? I bet Lybia is not the only country that we sold weapons to right? so what is your story?

      Zip23 - 2011-04-10 11:22

      Simply that selling weapons to dictators, you know they will use it against their own people at some stage. Its irresponsible, and we should know better.

      Shadoz - 2011-04-10 11:29

      The fact that weapons where sold to a country that has had a dictator in power for 40 years is wrong and we have fueled his war against innocent people that want change in there country. This is why we are not doing anything about this tyrant.How can we, we gave him the weapons to kill innocent people so i guess this is our stand on governments that are greedy just like ours. Where is this money they paid? The 40 Million? I bet you in a fat cats pocket.

      Errol - 2011-04-10 12:25

      But they knew Libya was an oppressive regime - just apply a little logic.

      Sue - 2011-04-10 13:03

      Simple motsokwane, read the article. SA LAW ISPROHIBITED TO SELL ARMS TO COUNTRIES WHO MAY CONTRIBUTE TO REPRESSION. Lybia being one of the countries. Idiot.....

      piet.strydom - 2011-04-10 13:13

      "What is happening there", has been happening for the last 40 years.... At some or other level of intensity.

      PerciusJcksn - 2011-04-10 13:41

      ...Uhmmm no, if you read the article above it says it sold weapons to libya, but suppose you would have missed the more important statement .... "Last year government approved the sale of more than R35 billion of military hardware to 78 of the world's most repressive regimes according to the report." Suppose this answers all your questions When did the uprising in Lybia Start ? The revolution erupted this year, though it has been an ongoing struggle, Gadaffi has also been aiming to get his Son in the driving seat. SA sells weapons to Libya knowing that there will be what is happening there ? No, the SA government would never do something like that... ask the other 78 countries that we have supported. I Bet Lybia is not the only country ... ? you're right we sold to 78 other repressive regimes... No princess... what is yours. Read the article and think before you get defensive.

      SimonP - 2011-04-10 13:53

      motsokwane, South African law prohibited the sale of weapons to countries where they may contribute to international repression, human rights violations. Last year government approved the sale of more than R35 billion of military hardware to 78 of the world's most repressive regimes according to the report. You seiously cant see the story? The ANC have once again broken the law.

      A THEIST - 2011-04-10 14:22

      $$$$$$$$ Keeps South Africans employed !

      JuluisMalema - 2011-04-11 10:29

      Well I just hope the weapons went to the rebels and not to Malmoer Gadafi and his army, that would be just wrong!

  • Peter - 2011-04-10 11:21

    This stuff scares me, not only is the government selling weapons to bloodthirsty dictators, where does all that money go in the first place?

      Zip23 - 2011-04-10 11:25

      Money goes to Denel/Armscor. Gov still have to approve the sales though.

  • DerpyHooves - 2011-04-10 11:35

    Thumbs up, if you: think that South Africa had no knowledge of a future uprising and cannot be blamed for the weapon sales. Or thumbs down, if you: think that selling weapons to dictators is irresponsible.

  • BigMoose - 2011-04-10 11:36

    This makes the Firearms Control Act look completely foolish.

      John - 2011-04-10 13:59

      It also makes our government look completely foolish. Pre-1994 the ANC benefited from a worldwide ban on arms sales to the apartheid government. They simply cannot be trusted with anything.

  • Shorts1 - 2011-04-10 11:36

    Perhaps the main reason that Zuma and his ANC cronies are going to Libya is to pick up some additional military arms, ammunition & equipment orders from their mate Gaddafi ??????

  • Darter - 2011-04-10 11:45

    What exactly is wrong with selling arms? It's not as if they knew this would happen. The French and Americans (who are now bombing the place) have sold ten times more arms to Libya than we have.

      Davorin - 2011-04-10 13:16

      So we are justified in selling weapons to oppressive dictators because others are doing it? Nice logic bro!

      Francois - 2011-04-10 15:33

      Darter, what is right about selling arms to repressive regimes?

      Francois - 2011-04-10 15:33

      Darter, what is right about selling arms to repressive regimes?

  • Darter - 2011-04-10 11:45

    What exactly is wrong with selling arms? It's not as if they knew this would happen. The French and Americans (who are now bombing the place) have sold ten times more arms to Libya than we have.

      Sue - 2011-04-10 13:05

      Agree, but SA denied that they sold arms to Lybia, big different.....

  • Sanity_Check - 2011-04-10 11:53

    I guess the actual information I would like to know...are we still selling arms to Lybia at this point in time?

      Shakes - 2011-04-10 12:37

      NO WE ARE NOT, ALL THE ARM SALES HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE ON-GOING CONFLICT IN THAT COUNTRY.

      Shakes - 2011-04-10 12:37

      NO WE ARE NOT, ALL THE ARM SALES HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE ON-GOING CONFLICT IN THAT COUNTRY.

      Sue - 2011-04-10 13:06

      @ Shakes, how do you do know?

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-04-10 14:00

      Well, technically, the DEAl and transaction took p[lace last year. The arms don't arrive there the instant the money is transferred. The question is: when did the arms from that deal arrive there?

  • Wernerkwane - 2011-04-10 12:11

    No wonder Zums doesn't take a against Gadaffi! He's hoping for another sale.

  • Bill - 2011-04-10 12:42

    3 Weeks ago they blatantly denied selling weapons to Libya.....yet now we find different...... Lying conniving people, with no morals and not an honest hair on their heads!

  • Skotepetoors - 2011-04-10 12:47

    MANDELA and his big mate GADAFI belongs in jail. Robin island is suitable for them. There they can continue their friendship, a relationship which all of a sudden is not talked about. The legacy he is leaving for our children is sad...

      Sue - 2011-04-10 13:08

      Don't blame Mandela, it's Mbeki, Zuma and co......

  • magszinovich - 2011-04-10 12:49

    Hey, look at the bright side. Less guns in our country. Either way, Libya would have gotten a hold of weapons. Its a shame that some of them came from our Government. Just another sublime example of how the ANC continues to uphold its proud name. VIVA ANC! VIVA OPPRESSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS! VIVA GENOCIDE

  • marco - 2011-04-10 12:55

    Hang on a minute here.In his recent report from Cairo regarding the Egyptian protest,Foreign Affairs editor for Sky News,Tim Marshall,said in his report that the weapons,ie tear gas and rubber bullets,used on protesters were American.And that at the time,The Pentagon has said it has no plans to halt weapons deliveries to Egypt in the coming months...My point is this,if America who is usually regarded as the "country that usually takes the high moral ground standing" in the world sold weapons to Egypt that was to be used later on it's own people then why aren't some you clowns here on News24 having a go at the Americans too while you at it instead of just South Africa? When it comes to selling Arms to Libya bear this one thought in mind please:The USA Far Outstrips South Africa in Arms Sales to Dictators regardless of what these dictators decides how to go about their business with it.From 1989 to 2006,the US provided Egypt with billions of dollars worth of fighter jets,tanks,missiles and other arms. Arms sales(agreements),by Supplier, 2002-2010(in billions of constant 2010 U.S.dollars) Supplier+Total Sales in US Dollars(billions)and Percent of total sales. United States 166.278(billions)40% Russia 73.965 18% France 35.175 8% United Kingdom 29.379 7% China 13.652 3% Germany 19.742 5% Italy 12.531 3% Other European 43.752 10% Others which includes South Africa 22.459 5%. So yeah every other nation does the same K@K selling weapons to dictators.So we have nothing to be ashamed of.UK Sheds Crocodile Tears Over Arms Sales to Libya says Robert Farago editor of The Truth about Guns.British lawmakers issued a critical report showing that Britain approved sales of shotguns and tear gas to Libya,machine-guns and sniper rifles to Bahrain and military technology to Yemen over the last three years.Parliament’s foreign affairs, defence, international development and business committees said in a joint report that ministers failed to consider the implications of weapons sales to the Middle East and elsewhere. “Both the present government and its predecessor misjudged the risk that arms approved for export to certain authoritarian countries in North Africa and the Middle East might be used for internal repression,” the report said.Maybe the Ministers signing off on the sales didn’t give a toss whether or not the recipients of British-made sniper rifles, shotguns,missiles and other military goods and services were repressive regimes.

      Orca - 2011-04-10 13:08

      Irespective of what other nations are doing, we should be ashamed of selling weapons to nations which are knowingly oppressing their cistizens.

      red_rooster - 2011-04-10 13:16

      Umm Marco, of course we have to be ashamed by this! What has been happening in Lybia goes against what South Africa stands for. With the actions of the arms deal, it makes me worried that if ever the ANC had to create a dictatorship here, would they act the same way that Lybia is acting by killing its people!?! If this isn't how they would react, then WHY are they selling weapons to a dictator? No they didn't know that this civil war was going to happen, but they knew what Gadaffi was like!

      nick - 2011-04-10 14:45

      Whew !!

  • Alfred - 2011-04-10 12:59

    R70 million? Well, how else is Showerhead supposed to renovate his house?

      nick - 2011-04-10 14:47

      Now now Alfred....he's only going to spend R27 million on his house, not ALL of it ?

  • Benny66 - 2011-04-10 13:03

    "South African law prohibited the sale of weapons to countries where they may contribute to international repression, human rights violations or were likely to escalate regional military conflicts, endanger peace or threaten regional stability." Whew! For a moment I was worried that we may have broken our own laws. But NONE of the above applies to Libya. So we are still conducting our business with integrity and mindful of ZA and International laws - right?

      Clive - 2011-04-10 16:17

      dude there are always loop holes

  • AJ - 2011-04-10 13:03

    Unless there is an actual UN Arms Embargo, you can assume our govt will see weapons to anybody regardless of the moral guidelines. However most countries dont operate in an all that dissimilar fashion either it must be said. so is our govt lacking a moral backbone in return for foreign arms income? Absolutely! Do others do the same? Absolutely...

  • Orca - 2011-04-10 13:06

    SA has completely lost its moral compass. It sells anything to anyone who can produce revenue.

      A THEIST - 2011-04-10 14:25

      @orca, Made in South Africa, proudly South African !

  • The Wasp - 2011-04-10 13:08

    I hope some of those weapons are used to protect Libya from the lying , corrupt , thieving Puppet organization called Nato, who so claim they are global police and are helping the "slaughter " of civilians. Whatever. if you believe these lies , you probably also believe in the tooth fairy. The CIA is getting their way and on track for their Middle east domination campaign. Sorry Iran, your "tyrant" leader and masses of threatening "nuclear weapons" is the reason for your next downfall. Just like your poor neighbor Iraq, where over 1 million innocent civians have died in the illegal occupation. Yes first is was WMD, then it was spun into a operation "Iraqi Freedom" More like operation mass murder for resources and power.

  • Peter.James.Merrington - 2011-04-10 13:27

    Thoroughly disgusting. Our SA government's parastatal that was set up in the old days of the 'total onslaught' continues to serve as a cash cow for the state, making weapons for killing and destroying, and selling these to an easy market of low despotic tyrannies. This is the crudest cynicism possible. Why not rejig our arms factories to manufacture tractors, ploughs, solar generators, diesel generators, wind generators, cheap small motorcycles and bicycles for mass transport, a 'people's car' like the old VW Beetle, innovative prefab housing and classroom structures, irrigation equipment, pumps, things with which to build and not kill, maim, and destroy.

  • Rhulani - 2011-04-10 13:30

    What can we really sell to the Chinese government that they don't already have. Considering the Libya transaction; SA did nothing wrong, it is not their duty to go their way out and predict the future of Libya.

  • Thabo - 2011-04-10 13:31

    People who have authorised this, should tell us how does it feel to have innocent civilians blood on their hand!

      BigMoose - 2011-04-10 14:23

      R 70 million buys a lot of handcleaner.

      A THEIST - 2011-04-10 14:24

      @thabo ask the ANC gov !

  • Clive - 2011-04-10 15:10

    guys business is business, but i think the real question is when are South African companies and the Goddamn Government gonna be open and say we did. Denying it and then it coming out is showing you are cowards. I am Proud to be south african. STOP TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER OUR EYES AND SHOW TRANSPARENCY

  • Thabo - 2011-04-10 15:15

    It's shame that many people lost their loved ones due to guns coming from SA. If I was one of these monsters I will have sleepless nights. Shame on you!

      JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-10 16:05

      well thabo, a lot of ak-47s come into this country, causing untold grief. the suppliers do sleep peacefully. no matter how much shame we may heap on them, it will simply do nothing!

  • Monique - 2011-04-10 16:15

    ANC = money....thats all!

  • manchabora - 2011-04-10 17:01

    Zuma is going to collect the money for weapons sold to Libya last year. He can see that this dictator is about to fall.

  • manchabora - 2011-04-10 17:07

    This team of African leaders to Libya is to seek ways to protect the dictotor Ghadafi from being ousted. The SADC mandate is to keep bloody dictators in power, it is not for ordinary citezens. SADC = Southern African Devil's Congress.

  • Joe - 2011-04-10 18:49

    "Last year government approved the sale of more than R35bn of military hardware to 78 of the world's most repressive regimes according to the report." Typical hypocritical ANC modus operandi.

  • beicime - 2011-04-10 19:04

    South Africa is not supporting democracy and human values. Does it mean that the ANC is democratc while sure of being in power? What if the ANC loses elections because one day in the future it will?

  • Eugene - 2011-04-10 19:49

    R36 billion is pocket change compared to what America makes from wars...

  • Jason - 2011-04-10 21:20

    Every nation does it, as the joke goes Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, how do you know.. "Well we looked at our receipt"

  • The Wonderer - 2011-04-10 21:42

    I would love to know about the "hidden" costs...?? The fine print that's not printed but spoken amongst those involved in the procurement of the deal...

  • The Wonderer - 2011-04-10 21:43

    I would love to know about the "hidden" costs...?? The fine print that's not printed but spoken amongst those involved in the procurement of the deal...

  • lakhan7 - 2011-04-10 21:43

    hey! wheres my gun?! :( ...SA has such tight gun laws, but they sell their stock to everyone ( non-SA ) so freely.

  • lebogang molamu - 2011-04-11 05:56

    does it matter 2 whom u sold 2

      sbhennops - 2011-04-11 07:14

      Yes because one day the UN is going to have to step in, in South Africa unless South Africans start growing brain pretty soon !!!! SA is stepping on the wrong toes and we don't have the Military to back our bravado !!!!

  • cmsnyman - 2011-04-11 07:39

    Was it too much to ask from our dear government to wonder for one second WHY Libya suddenly required R70m worth of weapons last year?

  • mosali - 2011-04-11 08:29

    am i mistaken or did princess sizulu not deny this sale but a few weeks ago - i smell a rotten rat here!

  • kolz - 2011-04-11 08:54

    I think we should be carefull when expressing our views with regards to this article, USA,France sold weapons to Lybia ten times than South Africa, secondly last'year sales we are not informed when the deal took place,the question we should ask is when did weapon arrive in Lybia because you must also remember that some of the weapons had to be manufuctured and that takes a bit of a time before delivery.Lastly Government is a middle man between the buyer and the manufucturer.

  • wmutahi - 2011-04-11 09:06

    Isn't that peanuts?, what kind of arms were these?

  • wmutahi - 2011-04-11 09:06

    Isn't that peanuts?, what kind of arms were these?

  • wmutahi - 2011-04-11 09:07

    Isn't that peanuts?, what kind of arms were these?

  • Chris N Greenland - 2011-04-11 09:30

    I attended All Africa Basketball championships in Mozambique in November 1982. The Libyian delegation intimated long and hard that they were not free and that, apart form North Korea, it was the most repressive environment. 1982 is 29 years ago. That is how long there have been no true freedoms in Libya.

  • Kelly - 2011-04-11 13:58

    i think we need to think about what this goverment of ours has done in their years in power! all our oil reserves that we had have been sold off!..for what i am not sure! when the aparteid ban was lifted we did not owe half as much money to the world bank as most other countries!we are GIVING away power to other countries while we have to deal with constant warnings about" please conserve your power!tell you what! STOP GIVING IT AWAY! we are the ONLY country in the world that allows prisoners to vote! uhm ......why would they want that?seems kinda obvious to me! if memory seves me correctly our President Zuma was caught or named in selling arms ILLIGALLY to other countries and not to mention the other disgusting things i have read,heard and seen !what took us hundreds of years to build! the A.N.C. HAS LAID WASTE TO ! in just over 15 years!umemployment is higher now than it ever was! crime is rife! i know this chat is all about the arms sold to libya but it all goes back to the fact that our goverment seem to have no concept of right and wrong! we are the laughing stock in the political world!I AM WELL AWARE THE THE U.S.,FRANCE ,U.K. ANF ALMOST EVERRY OTHER COUNTRY DO THE SAME THING!but the fact is that S.A. is no longer run by decent men and women!black,white,pink,blue or lumo green! we ALL need to stand up together!and tell these .....POWER HUNGRY WARMONGERS that we will stand for this no longer!S.A. is our country! not yours!

  • gerhard fourie - 2011-06-19 21:59

    WHAT ABOUT OUR BIGGEST BUYER, USA , THEY JUST CALL OPPRESSION " WAR ON TERROR" GERHARD

  • Jean - 2011-09-07 07:32

    The story is it goes against everything our constitution stands for and the mandela legacy the ANC is clearly in cadaffi and china pocket

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