SACP: Selebi played crucial struggle role

2015-01-24 16:04

Johannesburg - Former police commissioner Jackie Selebi played a crucial role in the liberation struggle and would be remembered, the SA Communist Party said on Saturday.

"The SACP would like to send its condolences to his wife Anne, the family and all relatives and friends," said acting SACP spokesperson Mhlekwa Nxumalo in a statement.

"We will always remember the role that was played by the fallen hero in the liberation struggle and also in the post-1994 period."

Selebi died on Friday at the age of 64. He had reportedly suffered from diabetes and had kidney problems.

Selebi was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment on 3 August 2010, for taking bribes from convicted drug dealer Glenn Agliotti.

"Comrade Selebi played an important role in the repatriation of liberation exiles back into the country in the early 90's, which included ...members of the ANC and those of the SACP," said Nxumalo.

"He further played an important role when he was a permanent representative of South Africa in the United Nations in Geneva from 1995."

Nxumalo said Selebi also contributed to South Africa while director general of Foreign Affairs in 1999.

  • Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:10

    Who is this SACP...never heard about them before?

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:15

      The SACP might be a ridiculous organization and quite irrelevant organization at the moment but the role that they played in creating a country in which the law itself does not discriminate can not be downplayed. One could even make the argument that had the SACP not existed and not been so influential during the anti apartheid movement that South Africa could have turned into a place where both the law and the politicians discriminated against minorities. People might still discriminate but the law itself is not whereas the apartheid regime had both leaders who discriminated as well as implemented laws that discriminated.

      StormerHJ - 2015-01-24 16:17

      What a pity that Selebi made himself at the end liable to corruption and lies - or was there all the time something wrong with his integrity ?

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:20

      Pranish, the law and politicians discriminate against a minority, whites. Fortunately the bunch of communists weren't so influential, or else we would be sitting in the same boat as the north Koreans or cubans.

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:27

      North Korea are a de facto monarchy calling themselves communist. The entire purpose of communism is defeated by having hereditary lines of succession, something which Cuba has as well.

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:36

      Rubbish, the classic symptoms of a communist country is prevailing in those countries. .The state owns everything, the state muzzles critics, poverty, famine, militant, and delusional leaders

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:37

      The leaders of the ANC could have ended up as Black nationalists if it was not for the influence of the SACP. The SACP were extremely influential in changing Mandela, Tambo, Sisulu, G Mbeki and others perceptions about "whites." The law hardly discrimate a against whites. White South Africans still earn on average 6 times more than black South Africans so it is hardly as though white South Africans are actively discriminated against as compared to the system before. Also the SACP have had numerous leaders in both the past and present that were white so again they don't discriminate on the basis of colour.

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:51

      AA, BEE etc etc. .where did you get your average dude, six times more you say? Checked your profile, sorry but you are still a snot nose youngster that believes he is wise because he swots social sciences. A real aspiring commie you...

      Fred Tucek - 2015-01-24 16:51

      Pranish, not sure we're talking about the same country. Clearly you do not have much to do with the police in SA.

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:55

      Again I did not claim to be a know it all. I am merely saying that you cannot completely disregard the good and you cannot completely disregard the evil. It is much more complex than that.

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:59

      Rubbish yet again, tens of thousands were murdered and he didn't care, that bad outweighs the good many times. Yet he was also willing to waste millions In tax payers money to defend his corruption. Nah son, you still have to go around the block a few times to truly understand the big world out there.

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 17:00

      The figure is taken from the 2011 census. And what exactly do you aim to gain by combining what your opinion is and then implying things about me. We can have a debate without resorting to name calling. And so what if I consider communism to offer some decent ideas. I haven't attacked capitalism in any of my comments thus far I have just pointed out that you cannot deny that the SACP have done some pretty decent stuff for the country

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 17:02

      Actually Petrus, you will find that in a comment I posted at 4:53 on this exact comments page, I said that the wrong outweighed the right but it does not mean that you should disregard the other side completely

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 17:08

      What exactly did the SACP contribute to this country? Anthony, shut up please, we are not in the mood for your rubbish

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 17:15

      Pranish, apologies for the name calling, was uncalled for.. Anthony shut up son, educated people are talking nonow. .sjoe, go away

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 17:29

      Listen Petrus, if you think that the SACP haven't had anything of significance to contribute to the country then that's fine. I am under no obligation to tell you the reasons why the SACP have done some decent stuff for the country especially when you can do the research yourself. Again you don't have to agree with the side of the story presented by the people who acknowledge the SACP's role in creating a country that should not discriminate on the basis of superficial differences then fine, but as far as my opinion goes, the SACP did play a decent role in helping this country through a very difficult time in its history.

      Kenny Williams - 2015-01-24 18:33

      And Zuma will be remembered for his contribution towards lifting the poor out of their poverty. Zuma and Selebi can shake hands. both thieving scumbags who feel buggerall for anyone but themselves. The SACP are morons to try to elevate this scumbag when all he has done in his lifetime is to embarras all South Africans. Well at least they have named a street after Zuma and Selebi. Waterkant Street.

  • Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:10

    Yes he played a crucial role in the struggle. That doesn't not mean that he should not be criticized for his numerous mistakes which were driven by greed, something which the struggle was committed against in its peak. Also I have no idea how the SACP hardly acknowledging the conscious mistakes that Selebi made in the last 15 years of his life which undid the good he did before that.

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:23

      He didn't just make mistakes, he committed crimes against humanity by not doing his job as top cop and letting criminals murder south africans by the tens of thousands. In fact, he colluded with the worst of them to enrich himself. Watch how the ANC idiots go all ape shyte again, me being a racist etc etc.

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:29

      So did I not just say that he canceled out his good doings by committing crimes. I also used the word conscious before mistakes indicating that he knowingly committed crimes

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:37

      Again rubbish, you are trying to soften the evil deeds this man committed by calling it mistakes.

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:51

      Fine if calling them evil deeds works for you then great.

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 16:53

      The wrong May have outweighed the right but that does not mean that you do not acknowledge any of the good that he did especially from about1985-2000

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 17:03

      What good did he do, please don't just say he fought apartheid, some details please, and how it influenced the normal man on the street. All I see is a person that abused his position to enrich himself while millions still lived in poverty

      Pranish Desai - 2015-01-24 17:15

      Fighting Apartheid was something that benefited the country and a lot of the impoverished at the time because it meant that the system and the wrongs that occurred before that specific system was implemented were now gone. From there they would no longer by law be discriminated against by the law on the basis of something that they had no control over (their skin colour.)

      Cas Obs - 2015-01-24 18:30

      If someone "played a crucial role" or something is crucial to a given outcome, then that outcome would never have happened without that person or that thing. Never in anyone's wildest dreams can it be said that the struggle would not have had the outcome it did without Selebi. So, I think it is a gross overstatement of his contribution. I would go as far as to say that Nelson Mandela played a crucial role in the struggle. Full Stop.

      Kenny Williams - 2015-01-24 18:36

      Pranish, a mistake is forgetting to brush your teeth. Theft and corruption is no mistake. These are planned events. Selebi and Zuma will be remembered for their thieving and corruption. Scumbags both of them.

  • Monsternari@hell - 2015-01-24 16:11

    He struggled to stay alive

      Tersia Louw - 2015-01-24 16:22

      Not as much as he struggled to stay out of jail.

  • Trudi Potter - 2015-01-24 16:18

    Yes as a crook to ordinary people.

  • Tersia Louw - 2015-01-24 16:23

    What changed? How come we can NOW comment on a Jackie Selebi article?

      Petrus LeRoux - 2015-01-24 16:28

      The ANC moderator went home early

  • Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2015-01-24 16:26

    And then he became a crook

      Francois Vorster - 2015-01-24 18:29

      You have to be a criminal to be a hero in the anc

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  • Sage Wiseman - 2015-01-24 16:28

    Selebi distinguished himself and South Africa by being the first head of Interpol to be sentenced to jail. Like all anc & sacp leaders, he was a genuine crook, something I'm sure they are truly proud off.

      Tersia Louw - 2015-01-24 17:00

      Yep, another good story by the ANC.

  • Secrecy Bill - 2015-01-24 16:34

    Let's be realistic ! ... The good he did for the struggle was completely swept aside by the HUGE damage to SA's international credibility by his spell as crooked president of Interpol and subsequent damage to SAPS ! .... (Don't kid yourselves ! )

  • Adriaan De Lange - 2015-01-24 16:36

    Yes fraud!

  • Brian Dorning - 2015-01-24 16:39

    Criminal he was

  • Secrecy Bill - 2015-01-24 16:47

    The Zanc alliance needs to stop their habit of glorifying blatantly corrupt leaders who have abused their authority, public office and public trust and respect ! .... They will surely pay the consequences of sending misleading messages to the youth !

  • Ayanda Loyd - 2015-01-24 16:52

    Let he without sin cast the first stone.

  • Tiffiny-Jane Sutherland - 2015-01-24 16:53

    Yaaaaawn. A big fuss over a criminal.

  • Tewis Kuhn - 2015-01-24 16:53

    TRONKVO√čL ENS ENS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kevin Lowings - 2015-01-24 17:00

    Well he certainly didn't struggle later on. Very flush with money

  • Jadwiga Richmond - 2015-01-24 17:01

    At the time of Selebi's death he was a prisoner serving a 15 year jail sentence in the comfort of his own home, due to his illness. This does not make him anything other than a criminal, regardless of what he did before he became one. Any good he might have done before becoming a criminal gets wiped off his slate. He was not just a Jo Soap when he commited his crime, he was head of Interpol and head of the SA Police Force, this makes his crime ten times worse if it had been you or me. Now let's wait and see if the ANC government are going to give him a send off at tax payer's expense. May they be damned if they do!

  • Tracy White - 2015-01-24 17:02

    The only struggle is when the white man stood on his nuts and he struggled.

  • Pedro Schoultz - 2015-01-24 17:20

    No respect for him...not even his own people have...just another anc foefie...

      Tonie Tlangi - 2015-01-24 17:35

      you comment like he fired youe Ass at the SAPS and if he did its Job well done

  • Mary Milne Archibald - 2015-01-24 17:23

    Added to struggle by making mockery of the police service. Was this his role?

      Tonie Tlangi - 2015-01-24 17:35

      what was your role in this life

  • Mzwandile Japhta Magibitji - 2015-01-24 17:30

    Rest in peace comrade

  • Pedro Schoultz - 2015-01-24 17:32

    Comrade se gat..

      Tonie Tlangi - 2015-01-24 17:34

      for you

  • Pedro Schoultz - 2015-01-24 17:32

    His now struggling with the devil...

      Tonie Tlangi - 2015-01-24 17:34

      no you the one struggling with the Devil he is Resting In Peace

  • Luke Green - 2015-01-24 17:35

    Ja he struggled to be honest.

  • Kwanda Luthuli - 2015-01-24 17:36

    Selebi's story reminds me of a one Hansi Cronje.....good deeds ultimately shrouded in greed and corruption.....its a pity indeed.

      Sammy Masinga - 2015-01-24 19:23

      True, just hope most people will see the similarities without prejudice.

      Sammy Masinga - 2015-01-24 19:24

      True. I just hope most people will recognise the similarities without prejudice.

  • Tonie Tlangi - 2015-01-24 17:36

    Let he without sin cast the first stone.

      Kenneth Cairns - 2015-01-24 18:08

      And he who catches the stone throw it back to the idiot that cannot throw properly-listen not everyone who cries Lord Lord will enter the gate of heaven-so please stop going on about religion, and shut up!

  • Kaikai - 2015-01-24 17:48

    Shame. Don't you feel sorry for people who have hero's which are criminals. They must be really desperate for hero's.

  • Eddie Roberts - 2015-01-24 17:58

    Why is it that after the person has died, he's made out to be a hero? Meanwhile he's nothing but a criminal. take Joe Modise for instance, the list goes on. I suppose he'll have a state burial as well. Carry on paying tax to a bunch of crooks>

  • Brandon McCutcheon - 2015-01-24 17:58

    He was a criminal supporting drug dealers. He is an embarrasment.

  • Blane Blandon - 2015-01-24 17:58

    If the Berlin wall had'nt come down in '89 we would've ended up being a commie state , Mandela was on about nationalising banks and mines , but had a turn about when the wall come down. Reagon said " Bring down that wall Mr Gorbachev" I say Stop the corruption jz .

  • Craig Pedersen - 2015-01-24 18:07

    Ooh yes he did indeed. He taught the rest of the rotten anc crew that they could steal and get away with it. He was a corrupt scumball. End.

  • Cas Obs - 2015-01-24 18:14

    It seems that Selebi, like many, many others who are/were thought of as "struggle icons" had another agenda which the comrades fail to or prefer not to see... It is obvious that some were struggling for the easy buck and nothing else.

  • Evan Summerson - 2015-01-24 18:16

    Biased reporting. He is/was a criminal.... Fell from grace with a thud.

  • Evan Summerson - 2015-01-24 18:16

    Biased reporting. He is/was a criminal.... Fell from grace with a thud.

  • Andre Moreby - 2015-01-24 18:19

    He was supposed to be neutral. ...being top in police. ....sorry to say...if he was anything esle

  • Rob - 2015-01-24 18:29

    Why have so many people on this forum got so much time to talk rubbish? Go be with your families or go do something constructive with your time.

  • TheOldCynical - 2015-01-24 18:30

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! The skelm was instrumental in turning SA into a criminal state yes.

  • Ruane Nel - 2015-01-24 18:36

    This guy has no significance in any history whatsoever.

  • Semandie Gerber Renkin - 2015-01-24 19:26

    To do what????? How to steal and minipulate????

  • Jos Pike - 2015-01-24 19:50

    I hate to sound coldbut...when will people be judged on what they did for the people of South Africa in the last 20 years? It appears as if regardless of the bad some people do, that is all forgotten if they belonged to one of the liberation movements pre 1990

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