Saab admits bribes paid in SA arms deal

2011-06-16 22:15

Stockholm - Swedish defence group Saab on Thursday admitted that millions were paid to clinch a South African contract for fighter jets but said its erstwhile British partner BAE Systems had paid the bribes.

Saab said R24m had been paid by BAE in the form of bonuses and salaries between 2003 and 2005 for the deal involving 26 JAS Gripen fighters.

The comments came after Sweden's TV4 television channel said it had evidence Saab had promised to pay Fana Hlongwane, then advisor to the South African defence minister and also serving as a consultant to the Swedish firm, millions of euros in bonuses if Pretoria did not back out of the Gripen deal.

Saab said R24m rand had been paid by its South African subsidiary Sanip, which was then controlled by BAE Systems.

Saab president and chief executive Haakan Bushke denied responsibility saying in a statement: "A person employed by BAE systems has without Saab's knowledge signed for us an unknown contract, signed for us up until now unknown transactions..."

BAE Systems said last week it had sold its stake in Saab for €170m.

The 1999 deal with South Africa provided for the sale of 28 jets for €1.6bn but this was later whittled down to 26.

The last plane is due to be delivered next year.

  • Sharkalaka - 2011-06-16 22:49

    Patricia was right after all, once again, our silly terrorist "government" can not be given a cent.

      1nawty0 - 2011-06-17 07:58

      SOUTH AFRICANS We know the ANC and "friends" are guilty... lets give them immunity from prosecution... go after the contractors, prove they guilty, cancel the contracts...... send their Submarines, Aeroplanes, Boats back then sue them(together with their governments) WE GET BACK 70 000 000 000.00 Rands (plus interest) we can then Build 2 000 000.00 houses for the poor and improve our economy.

      Dr Filemon - 2011-06-17 08:35

      @ Creeky You left Joe Modise off the list. He received the most and will probably be used as a scapegoat now that the skeletons are emerging from the cupboard - which is quite appropriate for Modise. Dead men cannot tell tales.

      Worldwise - 2011-06-17 10:09

      @ Creeky. I don't dee Thabo Mbeki's name either. One of the big deal clinchers. @ 1Nawt). How do you cancel a contract that has been paid in full? How much money do you spend to sue BAE Systems? In which court in which country? Are you going to give the crews manning those systems jobs? Maybe you can build each one a house with some of the money you THINK you might recover. Welcome to the real world, its a bit more complex than your reasoning.

      Shai-hulud - 2011-06-17 10:37

      @1nawty0.... why should the guilty "ANC and friends" get immunity? Every guilty person involved should face the music!!!

      Barry - 2011-06-17 10:47

      Should Fana Hlongwane not pay the monies back into the National Treasury ?

      alicia - 2011-06-17 12:30

      Whoopee, whoopee!! I am jumping for joy. Patricia has been vindicated. Guess why the ANC is feverously pushing through the Gagging Bill. And why did they close this can of worms? Zuma, your day will come. You know you received money....many did. A real man would take responsibility for their actions. All REAL men do this. Pitifull lot that is running this COUNTRY WHERE CORRUPTION IS KING! Good for you Ms. de admiration for you grows day by day by day. DA...please, now, go and get them. They deserve their day in court.

      shmangle - 2011-06-17 12:45

      @1nawty0 - screw that idea! Prosecute them! There needs to be a clear message sent that bribery and corruption will be prosecuted, not excused. A transparent and honest government will do more for this country than a lot of money would. That money would just go the same way anyway, into the back pockets of corrupt officials.

      cuz - 2011-06-17 23:02

      At last - little bits of truth of the SA Arms Steal are starting to emerge. For years, the ANC have ducked and dived, trying to avoid scrutiny as to what they spent over R70 BILLION on. They maintained it was all spent on buying Arms for the military - a few planes, a couple of submarines etc - which is true of course. BUT what they failed to explain is how everyone with their snout in the ANC trough got rich overnight after the deal was signed off. Even you-know-who, got a piece of the action. Just how these liberation fighters - hailed by the world for their convictions - thought that spending this amount of money on Arms instead of on the poor, jobless - which they claimed had been brutally treated by the Whites under Apartheid - is a mystery! I mean, would you have spent this amount of money on guns or on your own people? Well, the liberation fighters - they chose warfare and not a peep out of the international community. So, here we sit, 10 years after the ANC 'liberated' tax money from the tax payer and the truth is finally starting to emerge about how overseas companies bribed their way into having a slice of the 'free money' pie of the ANC.

  • Ross - 2011-06-16 23:01

    Beautiful aircraft though.

      Vlooi - 2011-06-16 23:13

      Especially when they are flying.

      Kleinboetsê - 2011-06-17 03:02

      Vlooi- Not when but if!

      Kevin - 2011-06-17 07:02

      So expensive with the extras package.

      Piet_Vere - 2011-06-17 07:25

      @Vlooi, they very seldom do. No money for fuel. All in some back pocket!!

      umlaut - 2011-06-17 08:46

      They can sell it to Gadaffi for oil for the next 10 years-it will be more useful then. If we are attacked by...........(no enemies yet)...say UFO's from outer space, then we can fire a few missiles from these aircraft from the ground. So luckely they are not completely useless. Or we can get David Copperfield to make them all disappear--have a big show and you pay R500 per ticket to see it.

      Flasheart - 2011-06-17 09:49

      Beautiful aircraft yes. And one of them is already "written off" (sitting in a storage hangar) with a mere damaged nose-wheel because there isnt enough money to send it to Sweden for repairs as it cannot be done locally.

      Vernon - 2011-06-17 14:49

      Woodworkers can't fly planes

      WarPig - 2011-06-17 22:56

      These superb aircraft will crash before take off. Just like the commue regime that steals from this country!!

  • Maiavan - 2011-06-16 23:01

    How many probes have there been? And all of them found no abnormalities in the arms deal? LOL

      umlaut - 2011-06-17 08:55

      Who did the probes??? Check their bank accounts.

      Dan - 2011-06-17 09:02

      No, all the probes have been cancelled. Do you remember the name "Scorpions". They went after the BEE rubbish in government and government simply closed them down. That is what you call Africa democracy.

  • jock van wyk - 2011-06-16 23:06

    It is strange that everybody admits to paying bribes but nobody admits to receiving bribes.

      Cynical Sci - 2011-06-17 09:08

      Not really,but valid observation

      WarPig - 2011-06-17 22:57

      True....but its the African way.

  • Benzo - 2011-06-16 23:11

    Seems an easy job....just find Fana Hlongwane and the rest is a piece of cake for the scorpions, sharks or any other renewed form of "investigation". Thanks the Swedish, they seem still remotely more honest than the British. Wonder how much will be unearthed on this "tip"

      alfred - 2011-06-17 00:39 Yes they are probably more honest than the Brits.

      Kevin - 2011-06-17 07:04

      Who will make the Brits give answers?Not our government.Like shooting yourself in the foot on purpose.

      GetReal - 2011-06-17 08:51

      Maybe I am wrong, but my understanding is that the Brits decided to stop investigating this after repeated unsuccessful attempts at getting information and support from SA law enforcement authorities. Not suprising ... we would hate them to prove someone paid a bribe cause the flip side would be someone accepted a bribe .. aka Shaik - Zuma!

      Dilika - 2011-06-17 12:02

      Benzo is this what you call honesty "Saab president and chief executive Haakan Bushke denied responsibility saying in a statement: "A person employed by BAE systems has without Saab's knowledge signed for us an unknown contract, signed for us up until now unknown transactions...". Iam happy I not a shareholder at SAAB. How do you allow someone to take R24m from you account on a contract and transactions you have have "no knowledge" of. Oh come on pull the other one.

      Point Blank - 2011-06-17 12:46

      @Dilika, after more evidence of corruption from South Africans you still trying to find fault with others? Sies man.

  • croix - 2011-06-16 23:43

    Not great reporting, in fact a bit confusing that "BAE sold its stake in SAAB" (should that read SANIP?) Sweden's TV4 says it has proof that SAAB promised to pay Hlongwane, But BAE paid the 'alleged' scoundrel R24m. Then SAAB says "A person employed by BAE systems has without Saab's knowledge signed for us an unknown contract, signed for us up until now unknown transactions...". Fact remains : Fana het met sy gat in die botter geval! The tip of the ICEBERG???

      laageen - 2011-06-16 23:50

      Why do you have question marks at the end of your comment? It should be exclamation marks!!!!

      Mikemcc - 2011-06-17 06:16

      @laageen, so how do you know that it was not meant to be a question rather than a statement?

      laageen - 2011-06-17 09:56

      @Mikemmcc. It was to exclaim what we all obviously know.This is only one of many mega corruption cases still to see some light. We obviously know it is the tip of the iceberg. No doubt. Hope my previous statement makes more sense now. Fully agree with croix!!!!

      Lauren - 2011-06-17 14:13

      The crazy stuff we find to argue about. Punctuation. What could be next?

  • Francois - 2011-06-16 23:50

    sous trein...TIA

  • GT - 2011-06-16 23:51

    and there is clear evidence that Fana paid Nyanda - a house and porche, all detailed and published in the mail and guardian... AND STILL NOTHING IS DONE. And the ANC wonders why taxpayers hate their guts.

  • Monica - 2011-06-17 00:19

    What did Jacob Zuma get out of all the deals?

      Donovan Jackson - 2011-06-17 00:29

      Just R500k per year. Lizardface's butt must be burning that he sold himself so cheap. Poor idiot knows nothing about high rolling. He was thinking in R50 and R100 terms when everyone else was talking millions.

      Kevin - 2011-06-17 07:06

      A nice shower

      Vernon - 2011-06-17 14:57

      And a fourth wife

  • Donovan Jackson - 2011-06-17 00:26

    Oh look confirmation of what we all knew anyway. But nothing will happen as the shameless ANC continues to steamroll ahead with the endorsement of a pusillanimous electorate happy to be kept in poverty.

  • Getsreal - 2011-06-17 03:03

    The saddest thing about this is that ONCE AGAIN Africa gets the short end of the stick! Money gets dangled and our resolve, morals and integrity crumbles! These large companies care nothing about Africa- they want the sale- and they'll do anything to get it! We're THEIR little puppets when we accept bribes!! But who to blame??? Blame ourselves- we've become amaterialistic society who wants, who consumes, who doesn't care, who doesn't have any integrity anymore! We have decayed into a society that will sell our souls. How much are you offering???

      hertzel - 2011-06-17 07:55

      ..u are so right.....Mbeki went on a " Africa Upliftment Drive " during his tenure.....whilst turning a blind eye on his Comrades. ...are we not all wasting quality time ?

      Kameomaua - 2011-06-17 21:00

      so much for the moral regeneration drive and the "African Renaissance"............

  • Kleinboetsê - 2011-06-17 03:05

    OK Maynier,go for the kill!

  • - 2011-06-17 04:23

    News 24. This is not news. Everyone knows that the omrades are rotten to the core. Not some but all. The whole bunch of them. Why not give us some news. Eg. News24 discovers honest comrade. Now that would be news.

      Creeky - 2011-06-17 07:05

      Honest Comrade??????????????????????? That would be like outrunning the 4 legged chicken.... Few and far between!

  • mollie.kruger - 2011-06-17 05:19

    Let us have the names please...

      Uno_Beche - 2011-06-17 08:31

      Wonder if Comrade Malema was involved?

  • John Wilderness - 2011-06-17 05:26

    Ja right the West does not interfere and meddle in African affairs hey. No wonder the continent is in the state it is.

      John Wilderness - 2011-06-17 05:34

      "A person employed by BAE systems has without Saab's knowledge signed for us an unknown contract, signed for us up until now unknown transactions..." The courrupt khaki line comes from a cushy office in Sweden and flows all the way into an office in Africa. Ofcourse it will only be the black africans that will be tarred and feathererd for this. The "prying" public will ofcourse turn the heat off the corrupt white western part of the deal and only focus on those corrupt black africans as usual.

      Protest - 2011-06-17 08:38

      Wow, your comments must be one of the most racist-we-are-not-guilty-blame-everyone-else comments I have seen in a long time. There are two criminals involved in a bribe. When politicians accept the bribe, they should be treated like the common criminals that that action makes them. If you bribe a traffic officer and get caught, you can end up in prison for many years. That is for offering the bribe. The traffic officer can also end up in prison. That is for accepting the bribe. Why should politicians be allowed to get away with the criminal acceptance of bribes? Then again, the politicians gang together to protect each other like the Gangsta regime the ANC has become. Call an investigation by a fellow Gangsta and make sure the findings are that the ones being investigated are found "no evidence of any wrongdoing" At the end of the day, the general public ends up being the victims. This is the same politicians who we are supposed to trust to make decisions that is supposed to be for the benefit of all South Africa's citizens.

      DW - 2011-06-17 08:46

      John it takes 2 to tango. The ANC has consistently denied that there was any wrongdoing. It is the white western country which is uncovering the whole can of worms and revealing what happened. I have no doubt that there will be fines to come for those companies from their governments(just like what happened to the French companies). But when will anything happen to the corrupt black Africans? The only person who has had any form of punishment so far, has been Shabir Shaik. No wonder he feels hard done by. Everyone else is licking the cream from their chops and his life has been ruined. Whilst you sit there and talk about how the "prying" public turns the heat onto the corrupt black africans, maybe you should just think twice - it is the "prying" public's money which was used to pay the multi billions for these jets and submarines. Bare in mind that these huge bribes were not paid out of the pockets of the corrupt white westerners. They were built into the price of the arms and WE paid for it - and it ultimately went into the pockets of corrupt black Africans who will never be punished for it. At least the corrupt white westerners will be held accountable for this by their governments. But of course you, as one of the corrupt black Africans, will never be able to see the wrongfulness of this, will you?

      Kleinboetsê - 2011-06-17 10:51

      The only Wilderness I like is Wilderness Kayaks! Thats besides "The Wilderness"

      DoublySalmon - 2011-06-17 11:09

      In order to do business in Africa you have to pay bribes. In the West this is not so common place. In China the guilty receive the death penalty. If the African leaders had integrity they would disclose the attempt to bribe them, ask for an audit to prove they didn't do anything wrong, instead of accepting bribes and disbanding the Scorpions.

      Lauren - 2011-06-17 14:18

      John, give it up, already. They were all bad bab boys and girls. So you are seriously going to insist that the outstretched little hands should not be slapped. That they are not to blame? You know that by constantly doing that, you are implying that black African people are just not capable of any indpendent thought and will. You are implying that black African people are forever doomed to follow the shiny baubles all goggle eyed. Is that really what you believe? Or can it be that these particular people are greedy and they grabbed what was being offered by other greedy people? No? Still only the fault of the West? Well, then, accept that black African people will forever by pitiful victims, incapable of looking after themselves. I'm not ready to accept that. Are you?

  • AJ - 2011-06-17 06:00

    Tell us something we dont know. If you think this country paid tens of billions of rands for arms etc, and the only corruption was a 300 K discount on a second hand 4 by 4, then you are in la la land. People made tens of millions of rands, some were in govt and some still are.

      Roy - 2011-06-17 06:37

      Very well said.It does seem as if these people live in la la land

      Dilika - 2011-06-17 12:10

      And those who paid the "tens of millions of rands"(sic) are still in business.

  • Roy - 2011-06-17 06:34

    After this has now been proved true,what happens to these people.Do they carry on and become more corrupt and use their constitutional rights to fight the case against them for years?

      Dan - 2011-06-17 09:09

      Look at Malema with his "Engineering" contracts in Limpopo. The bastard can't even write, count or talk sense and he is still climbing the ANC ladder. So - nothing will happen to the guilty BEE rubbish and we all know that.

  • Peet - 2011-06-17 06:35

    Why is it that most blacks are so open to corruption? It seems that it is part of their culture. Am I right or should I look at this from another angle?

      Protest - 2011-06-17 08:49

      You are right and you should I look at this from another angle. Most politicians, irrespective of colour, will jump to the opportunity to make a bit of money on the side. Just in the Gangsta regime called ANC they are protecting each other. We need leaders with the balls to clean house. We don't need more of the protect-the-criminal-politician-at-all-costs attitude.

      Lauren - 2011-06-17 14:23

      Haha, Peet, yes, there is another angle. The fact that the West is so open to offering bribes. Equally bad.

  • Yankee - 2011-06-17 06:40

    R24m? You must be joking! 5% min = R500m. BTW this was only the Gripen deal. +++ I reckon its fair to say that the bribery money floating around is more than a billion. Whoever was involved and read this must be laughing at this stupid statement. R24m eishhhh....

      umlaut - 2011-06-17 09:09

      Rather 24 m Pounds? ---OR--24 m to each person involved?? OR 24 m paid monthly for 10 years. You are right such a big deal once in a lifetime-the truth comes out, yes, but just to be clouded with more lies.

      croix - 2011-06-18 01:38

      "TV4 Nyheterna and Kalla Fakta, the broadcaster's main news and current affairs programmes, have come across an agreement and has been loose agreement between Sanip, Saab's subsidiary in South Africa, and the key advisor Fana Hlongwane. Sanip is a collaboration between Saab and British BAE. While the company is 100 percent owned by Saab, the Swedish defence firm argued that BAE effectively controlled Sanip on its own. The agreement between Sanip head Bernard Collier and Hlongwane was signed on September 10th 2003. It gives the South African the right to draw a salary and a bonus of at least $8 million on the completion of the major arms deal. According to a bank statement Sanip paid him a total of approximately 50 million kronor on 19 separate occasions between 2003 to 2005, according to TV4/ Kalla Fakta. In addition, documents show that it is about another 30 million that will be disbursed this year." The Local, Sweden, May 18, 2011. (as reported on Politicsweb). Other estimates had Hlongwane on the receiving end of +/- R200 000 000!

  • Slapper - 2011-06-17 06:47

    The Stench just wont go away.

  • Kevin - 2011-06-17 07:01

    Lets get the details and jail the scum for life plus

  • kezzy59 - 2011-06-17 07:45

    This bribery in South Africa is also the man in the streets fault we just sit back and let it happen rather than standing up and demanding that action be taken against those who commit this bribery. Aterall it is our money that is been used to line other peoples pockets, the problem with the South African people is that we are all to scared to rock the boat and the ANC know that they can get away with as much corruption as they want because nothing will be done, it will just be swept under the carpet and forgotten about. Oh! yes we will all squeal like a lot of pigs for a while but that will also quiten down after a while because no one wants to get invovoled in bringing the guilty ones to justice. Again in South Africa if you have enough money you can pay off the corrupt aofficials and guess what your file dissapears or the case is posponed long enough for everyone to forget about it either way you will beat the system and get off just loo at Shabir Sjeik be friens with thse high up and you will also get off. So when it come to the arms deal everyone is looked after in one way or the other so all this moaning and groaning is not going to help us at all the will get mightly rich and the man in the street will pay for it.

  • Stanley Black - 2011-06-17 07:59

    Stories like this one are issues that affect every South African. As a result I feel the best way to deal with them is with the sharing of opinion and thereafter the debate of said opinion. In the spirit of us we have created an opinion and debate site called WECANDOBETTER.CO.ZA. Submitting articles is easy and requires no registration. The forum system is just as easy to use and you can sign in as a guest or use your TWITTER or FACEBOOK accounts to log into it.

  • Dries - 2011-06-17 08:09

    Monica - June 17, 2011 at 00:21 There is quite a couple of pilots to fly these flying machines in the air-force. Go to an Air-Force Show. There is even a lady! Quite a couple is a loose statement, Monica. There are far, far too few, and they are looking for other jobs. I know. The Hawk is a good advanced trainer, but overloaded with unnecessary avionics and weapons systems that its empty weight has gone off the clock so that its effective weapons load is very low. The Gripen is way too expensive to operate(and only five pilots!) and will be mothballed as they come into the country. Once you mothball a modern fighter you can never fly it again unless it goes back to the factory. NOT one of the technicians that had been sent to Sweden to do the maintenance training passed and the Swedes sent all of them back. They do not know of BEE requirements there but simply have a minimum standard to pass and not a single one did. In the mean time we had the most logical and much cheaper upgrade proposal for the Mirage F1s, and the Cheetahs had just been upgraded. Absolutely excellent machines. Oh, and by the way... Who is the potential enemy we had to spend these billions and billions for? One only goes into this kind of posture if there is a real threat. Who in Africa wants to attack Mandela's land and resources? There is no one, yet this fool government spent these amounts on defensive fighter aircraft - as attackers they are useless with the small radius of action they have.

  • pcpcoetzee89 - 2011-06-17 08:15

    We all know they [government executives and high ranking politicians] pocketed millions and millions from this absurd and unnecessary arms deal ... we even know who got how much!! Yes ... never, ever give them public money ... you simply won't see it again! Its a proven recipe and modus operandi ... at least 300 years old!!!

  • umlaut - 2011-06-17 08:21

    Who is in charge of the Airforce--oh sorry no airforce--they were integrated with the GROUND forces.

  • Craig - 2011-06-17 08:22

    Sooner or later, your all going down! I hope it's much sooner. You can run but you can't hide forever. Sure wouldn't want to be living with that looming over my guilty a$$.

  • 50something - 2011-06-17 08:30

    What is it going to take to re-open the probe into the arms deal? With the secrecy law coming, everything will finally be sweapt under the carpet - again.

  • JadedJay - 2011-06-17 08:37

    We need to know who!

  • kevventer - 2011-06-17 08:38

    hmmm, you may be able to cover things up in SA BUT you will have more difficult time of it in the European countries... Proving once again that politicians are all corrupt and only out to serve their own pockets... Explains why Julius is so eager to get a turn at the feeding trough, as if his current wealth amassed through dodgy dealing isnt enough.

  • fozzie - 2011-06-17 08:48

    Good for SAAB to admit this, now for the important bit, who were the recipients of those bribes? Lets make this public since I think the crux of the matter is that bribes were sought by the very people who were supposed to ensure that the purchasing process was fair and in the interests of the South African public. So in short, GIVE US NAMES and make them public!

  • RIMRIM - 2011-06-17 08:49

    It takes 2 two to sign a deal. South African government as well as Saab are guilty and must be brought to book!!!! Why is it ok for goverment officials to get away with a crime?

  • Gandolf - 2011-06-17 08:52

    What is shocking is that the airforce does'nt even have the budget or funds to actually fly these pathetic aircraft equipping the pilots with real skills as well as keeping the aircraft in shape as they have been originally designed to be utilised and maintained. By FLYING in the SKY and not parked off looking pretty in the hangars. Wow boys, look at these lovely toys we have got. Added to this, the proper budget to actually pay the pilots the right salaries to keep them committed to the airforce instead of being whisked away by better salaries and eal flying time in the private sector.

  • anticorrupt - 2011-06-17 08:59

    and SAAB has been given a contract by Vodaphone/Vodacom to manage it's SA microwave rollout, they are the biggest crooks who exploit small contractors and act like an old apartheid Armscor with many ex-police/military. SAAB and BAE should be banned from doing business in this country. Vodacom, Telkom and the military should cancel all dealings with them.

  • elroy petersen - 2011-06-17 09:17

    This sort of "business bribes" happens everywhere in the world, and its just greed for money that leads those kind in that direction and who are the suffers? the ordinary people on the street. The sad think about it is either most government officials knows about it or they are involved to gain some of that millions or whatever asset.

  • anticorrupt - 2011-06-17 09:23

    and SAAB has been given a contract by Vodaphone/Vodacom to manage it's SA microwave rollout, they are the biggest crooks who exploit small BEE contractors and act like an old apartheid Armscor with many ex-police/military. SAAB and BAE should be banned from doing business in this country. Vodacom, Telkom and the military should cancel all dealings with them.

  • holmby - 2011-06-17 09:41

    Saab are equally to blame, but unfortunately the blinkered peanut gallery on News24 will never admit to it. In their jaded world corruption only applies to black folk.

  • Bill - 2011-06-17 10:13

    Sanip must disclose where this money went to and these people that received it must be charged...!! Bunch of corrupt officials!

  • World Traveler - 2011-06-17 10:35

    The anc government of our country lies! Zuma is a liar! Vota DA at the next election, get rid of the anc.

  • alicia - 2011-06-17 12:20

    Whoopee, whoopee!! I am jumping for joy. Patricia has been vindicated. Guess why the ANC is feverously pushing through the Gagging Bill. And why did they close this can of worms? Zuma, your day will come. You know you received money....many did. A real man would take responsibility for their actions. All REAL men do this. Pitifull lot that is running this COUNTRY WHERE CORRUPTION IS KING! Good for you Ms. de admiration for you grows day by day by day. DA...please, now, go and get them. They deserve their day in court.

  • TheSteve - 2011-06-17 12:46

    Corruption unless rooted out by independent people, will become the norm. Because we no longer have independant people investigating corruption, corruption is now the norm, Soloution, vote out the corrupt, join hands all South Africans and vote them out. Bring a Goverment subject to the will of people.

  • sefeddt - 2011-06-17 12:47

    Plenty of ANC cronies mouths in the feeding troughs, no wonder they do not want it investigated.

  • Garry - 2011-06-17 14:10

    So what is new, ANC policy is based on corruption and self enrichment.

  • Lew - 2011-06-17 15:58

    Everything the anc touches is tainted for evermore.This is just plain stealing and the government(if you can call them that)absolutely disgusts me. Manuel as, the then minister holding the purse strings, must be largely accountable for this fiasco. Comment please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Rajty - 2011-06-17 17:18

    So what has this got to do with us BAE systems are British- they got the does it tie the Sa government in, except through speculation. All these whites are crying because they weren't part of it- why don't you bitch slap Murray and roberts etc- no you say nothing about that...I never see comments form corporates because- believe it or not- this is how business works- you clinch a deal and you get paid for it- would we have done anything differently????The DA would have done what- build houses ( the same DA who tear down shacks and places of worship)...stop being naive.

  • Rajty - 2011-06-17 17:20

    Saab had promised to pay- where is the money- a promise- SAAB are covering their arses- BAE signed agreements on their behalf that they didn't know about- Saffers what to see what they want to see...I should rephrase- white Saffers.....the offspring of rascists and pilagers....

  • Hansie3 - 2011-06-17 19:20

    We now bought all this crap for unqualified pilots that are going to crash them anyway, what a waste!!!!. throw all these idiots including our president into the amercan's Guantanomo where they can be treated like the terro's that they actually are. I think Madiba's heart is aching if he sees what these idiots are doing with the country that he tried to build. the rainbow is turning darker by the day

  • WarPig - 2011-06-17 23:00

    Find an honest ANC comrade "en win 'n Datsun!!!"

  • Zebelon - 2011-06-18 01:46

    The justice minister has recently announced that the SIU has realised a 94% conviction in the cases investigated by them. Note that this is the same investigation unit that was sidelined in the arms deal probe when it was brought up by De Lille. The reason for that removal of the SIU now becomes clear: many of the heads of those we have in government would have fallen long ago.