Sanral: Untruths spread about tolls

2012-03-08 20:29

Johannesburg - Political and civic leaders were misleading South Africans about the payment of e-toll fees, the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) said on Thursday.

"Sanral has noted with concern untruths being propagated by some political and civil organisation leaders trying to gather support for their grievances around e-tolling," it said in a statement.

Sanral denied it would have access to the private bank accounts of registered e-toll users.

The Independent Online reported in January that a clause in Sanral’s terms and conditions stated it was authorised to obtain information from any institution where the user may have held an account, or from any credit bureau. This clause had consumer organisations, trade unions and some politicians up in arms.

Sanral said the automated credit card payment system did not give it access to account-holders' bank accounts. Rather those who registered for this type of payment could regulate their account by setting pre-determined top-up threshold levels.

Job losses

If motorists were unsure about giving their credit card details for payment of toll fees, they could use a pre-paid e-toll account, it said. This meant they could top up their e-toll account at a customer service outlet or via electronic funds transfer.

"This is already widely used by other organisations," Sanral said.

The national roads agency also warned that 1 200 people stood to lose their jobs if the e-tolling system was scrapped.

During its nationwide strike on Wednesday the Congress of SA Trade Unions called for e-tolling to be scrapped.

Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan announced recently that the tariffs for Gauteng's e-tolls had been reduced to 30c/km for light motor vehicles with an e-tag.

Tolling is scheduled to start on April 30.

  • David - 2012-03-08 20:36

    Hulle melk ons droog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Peter - 2012-03-08 21:45

      The only lying is coming from government, who are yet to explain where all the money from our fuel levies designated for roads has gone. 20 billion liters of fuel pumped annually with around R1-70 / liter of the fuel levy going straight to the treasury could pay for all our national road upgrades cash.

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-03-09 01:53

      that 30c wont last for long...

      SarelJBotha - 2012-03-09 07:43

      Jip en hulle doen dit omdat meeste mense nie op hul regte staan nie...selfs nie dit eers ken nie.

      methedex - 2012-03-09 07:49

      Ek betaal vir niks!! F#%k jou E-Toll...

      Omrisho - 2012-03-09 10:24

      billions have been stolen from the tax paying, road using vat paying citizens of this country, greedy fingers in the state coffers, money that should have been used elsewhere, so in other words, they are asking the motorist in gauteng to pay for their thieving - for the people... please spin some more BS

      Daan - 2012-03-09 11:13

      Dieselfde met die tolhek tussen Middelburg en Witbank. R 40.00 per voertuig. Om my motor te laat diens in Witbank kos R 240.00 aan tolgeld, want my vrou moet saamry met haar motor en my terugbring Middelburg toe, en weer soontoe vat om die motor te gaan haal. Haar koste = R 160.00. My koste soontoe en terug is R 80.00. Hierdie cANCer (kanker) gaan ons almal finansieel verwoes.

  • Mark - 2012-03-08 20:37

    This is an old story flighted on other news services early this afternoon. News24 whats up?

      Piet - 2012-03-08 21:53

      news24 only fly toll road articles at night. Much less readers.....

      markvanrensburg - 2012-03-08 22:04

      Yeah might be less readers at night, I will put this on Facebook for ALL my DAY friends to read this and spread all over Facebook. After all EVERYBODY is just about on Facebook!!!

  • David - 2012-03-08 20:41

    No one told them to build these toll roads

      Ronald - 2012-03-08 21:56

      Leonard, my point exactly. The 20 Billion cost of the 180km of roads in and around Jhb and Pta is more than double the budget for the upkeep of existing and building of new roads for the whole of the country for 2011-12.

      SarelJBotha - 2012-03-09 07:45

      Yip, no-one asked you if you wanted this service, nor did they contract with you. Now comes the question, if this did not happen directly, is there some hidden, but implied contract? If so, they need to produce it as evidence.

      Steve - 2012-03-09 08:02

      does anyone realize - these were the most expensive roads ever made in the world - these were not new roads - we only got one (1) extra lane !! So - let them toll that extra lane - let us keep on with the 3 lanes we have already paid for !!

      werner.smidt - 2012-03-09 09:36

      Is it true that R7 billion is toward "administration costs"?

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-03-08 20:45

    To hell with e tolling .... m broke as in now

      David - 2012-03-08 20:50

      For sure!!!!!!

  • Enhle - 2012-03-08 20:48

    "The national roads agency also warned that 1 200 people stood to lose their jobs if the e-tolling system was scrapped".....These peaople will only be earning 10% of what we will pay on the road and the rest will go to the big fishes #SCRAPPED

      thabangq - 2012-03-08 21:28

      And SANRAL how many people are going to lose their jobs because they can't afford to make it to work???

      Tom - 2012-03-09 07:47

      I concur with you Enhle what about them?

      Daan - 2012-03-09 11:22

      The time has arrived for the electorate to get rid of the cANCer that will soon destroy this beautifull country.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lacrimose - 2012-03-08 20:50

    Too little too late SANRAL. There's been WEEKS of hype leading up to yesterday's protest and you've had plenty of time for rebuttal. What you do not answer is the allegations that one third of tolls will go to the administration, that the tolls will pay for the upgrade costs in the 1-2 years and that the subsequent bounty, after the upgrade costs have been recouped, will be leaving the country

      Daan - 2012-03-09 11:26

      I agree. "THEY" are so stupid, (not wanting to contract whites) that they contracted an offshore company to manage the system. Has anyone calculated how much money will leave the country after the debt is paid?

  • spookhuis - 2012-03-08 20:55

    "The national roads agency also warned that 1 200 people stood to lose their jobs if the e-tolling system was scrapped" so this system only employs 1200 people, so if 1 million cars travel only 1km per day they will rake in 300k per day........high way robbery.

  • Mashilo Philly Molele - 2012-03-08 20:59

    Considering the fact that there are about 4 million registered vehicles in Gauteng Province, each vehicle is liable for about R5000, therefore the loans will be settled within 10 months. Who's going to pocket the profits for the next 19 years @ our expense? To hell with the e-lotto.

      Piet - 2012-03-08 21:54

      and where did the 4 million licence disk fees went to?

  • Mashilo Philly Molele - 2012-03-08 21:01

    Considering the fact that there are about 4 million registered vehicles in Gauteng Province, each vehicle is liable for about R5000, therefore the loans will be settled within 10 months. Who's going to pocket the profits for the next 19 years @ our expense? To hell with the e-lotto.

  • Mashilo Philly Molele - 2012-03-08 21:01

    Considering the fact that there are about 4 million registered vehicles in Gauteng Province, each vehicle is liable for about R5000, therefore the loans will be settled within 10 months. Who's going to pocket the profits for the next 19 years @ our expense? To hell with the e-lotto.

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-03-08 21:05

    Losing a job in Mzansi is not something new...if you don't know ask former president Thabo Mbeki

  • Danie - 2012-03-08 21:05

    You take our money truth or not....

  • Mzwandile - 2012-03-08 21:08

    Listen to the vultures. They have already counted their bonuses and commissions from the operator.

  • Yolisile - 2012-03-08 21:10

    I dont care about the lies but I want the etolling be done away with

  • Charles - 2012-03-08 21:13

    Sanral has lied all along. We would be owning up to being idiots if we all of a sudden started to believe their BS now. Please continue paying tax! If you have a grain of sense do not buy etag and do not pay tolls!! Stop feeding incompetence!!!

  • Yolisile - 2012-03-08 21:16

    cosatu organise the strike even here in pretoria nest tyme and N1, N3 should be closed for few hours on the next strike. I m travellimg between Randburg abd Pretoria everyday for sure I will always clock the R550 mark

  • rowdypat - 2012-03-08 21:30

    What amazes me is how much money we had lost during the roadworks in the first place, then to add insult to injury we have to pay for it, and don't think that if you don't use the highway you wont be affected, who do you think is going to pay for the higher transport costs ?

  • Tony - 2012-03-08 21:34

    When will the Goverment understand that these toll charges are simply unacceptable?

      Daan - 2012-03-09 11:30

      When will "they" understand that "they" are stupid and needs help?

  • Herman - 2012-03-08 21:40

    This is irrelevant. Rather tell us how the toll as calculated and who the contractors are. This is where the real problem is. Anyway if you are paying back a loan the process should have a start and an end. This will carry on into perpetuity. And the beneficiaries will be UNO WHO.

  • Benjamin - 2012-03-08 21:47

    All this is, is leagelised THEFT. a Bunch of parisites if you ask me..

      Daan - 2012-03-09 11:31

      Incompetent parasites

  • Piet - 2012-03-08 21:52

    Hehehe! The ANC voters must feel happy about the decision they made last voting day. Hopefully they will start to realise now that they are not for the people. They have not fought in the struggle to be poor. And for Sanral, be transparent and tell us how the R20 000 000 000.00 was spent?

      Sav.Demetriou - 2012-03-09 07:24

      Unfortunately SANRAL are excluding "public transport" (taxis, that is) from paying tolls, therefore protecting the vast majority of their voters. Nice hey?

  • daleinn - 2012-03-08 21:58

    Its the most absurd and worst though out toll road plan in history, and I hope all citizens unite together to bring an end to it. With an economy struggling with high unemployment,fuel prices and levies, this government is clearly out to sink the ship in GP. Theres also a myth that a proper public transport system is only required in townships and CBDS...what a joke.The ANC government is only concerned with holding office, while they lack infrastructure to root out the millions of corruption, this is all brushed under the carpet.Tendering out contracts to their families. All that money that vanishes, can create jobs, add more to welfare, educate on family planning.The truth is the government does not have the proper resources and all the right people to govern, just a few. Beware, the poor will suffer even more and the middle class that pay taxes,will also fall with such a system. Imagine a toll plan that keeps citizens like prisoners in their homes, because people will not be able to travel freely, and go anywhere. Only the blue light brigade will be exempt. The Taxi association is selfish for itself and its drivers cause the most accidents, traffic vioalations on the freeway,they are the typical freeway bullies. Build more gautrains to all areas, not just elite main routes, more reya vaya bus systems. A 1200 jobs lost is SANRALS cheap desperation to save a system to that will ruin an entire economy.

  • masenya30 - 2012-03-08 22:00

    it is totally unacceptable away with e toll away

  • Karmah - 2012-03-08 22:05

    All the comments so far are against E tolling. Is this uprising agains e tolling perhaps creating the UNION OUR NATION should have had all these years? A person can still dream right?

  • Johnathon - 2012-03-08 22:06

    Sanral is almost becoming hysterical, that its magnificent toll road scheme is being so vehemently resisted by the public. As admin cost on this monster amount to 40c in the rand, some people, organizations and both foreign and local experts and contractors, are going to make so much money, that the whole arms deal costs will be absolute peanuts in comparison. Is there the slightest possibility that some palms have been greased, and those involved are becoming very nervous as they see the endless billions of profit, evaporating before their eyes. Please note that at present all parties involved are totally squeaky clean, and not one single thread of evidence exists to backup my statement. Secondly, any idiot that ever buys an e-toll is completely insane. Just imagine any thinking person wanting to give Sanral access to your personal bank account and funds. Of course this is the only thing they are punting for, as it will be the only source of income, should the rest of the public take their computer generated invoices, and just throw them in the dustbin. Further, is this all not just a pilot project to milk South African motorists dry. If they make big bucks on the Gauteng tolls, they then will expand the system country wide. Every town and freeway in South Africa will have these sinister gantries erected. Imagine the profits generated then. The Government pockets 25% in tax per litre of fuel sold. How more greed can they display? If allowed, these tolls will stay forever.

      Piet - 2012-03-08 22:14

      Agreed, it must be killed now! For bying a etag, I got one and drilled a small little hole into it and injected some pool acid into it. So i have one and it is fitted to my car.....

  • Gail - 2012-03-08 23:23

    We are scrapping it! Nobody wants it, and we are not going to pay. Finish and Kla! As for my credit card details....... in their dreams boet!

  • ajcvdw - 2012-03-09 06:12

    1200 people to lose their jobs... what on earth do they need so many people for?!?!

      Sav.Demetriou - 2012-03-09 07:26

      To count all the money they plan to steal? :)

  • Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-03-09 06:57

    So they have tried scare tactics and bullying, and now they are trying to appeal to us through a sense of moral obligation ... 1200 jobs... really? is that 1200 ordinary people, or 1200 SANRAL execs and governmetn ministers being deprived of their huge bonuses... SANRAL, you can go an f*(& yourselves... NO TO E-TAGS!!!!!!!

      kenneth.roselt - 2012-03-09 12:24

      Yesterday i left Randburg @ 1610, and got to Boksburg @1830. And i used 1/4 tank of fuel for that - this normally lasts 2 days, now i must pay for tolls as well, well SANRAL, why don't you go F yourself... I will NOT PAY.

  • Munchk1n - 2012-03-09 07:11

    Do NOT buy your etags and do NOT pay your tolls, we will collapse the system by not paying.

      Sav.Demetriou - 2012-03-09 07:27

      Hi Munchk1n <3

  • malcolm - 2012-03-09 07:12

    They have every right to toll non tax payers, who do not contribute to the builing and maintenance of roads. Tax payers should be allowed to use the roads for free. Produce a tax clearance certificate, and you should be given a years credit for a full tax year. If you cant produce one, pay the toll.

  • Snoopy.zn - 2012-03-09 07:15

    They are concerned about 1200 people loosing their jobs, what about the majority of the poor and middle class who simply CANNOT AFFORD THIS TARRIF.. If we can't get to work, we loose our jobs as well. Food prices are going to go up as a result, everything is going to be more expensive. I will not pay a cent! Why can the Government through parties for how many million, but don't have funds to pay for their pathetic way of thinking?? F@ck you government! I will not pay! Besides, had the government not dive so deep into the coockie jar, and steal out tax money, perhaps I would have considered it. BUT NO! NEVER!

  • Mike - 2012-03-09 07:36

    One of the roads they upgraded was the R21, it was done so badly and lacks proper drainage that its fast becoming one of the most dangerous roads in the country, I estimate there's about 7 serious accident a week, so why should i now pay for their cr@p?

  • sardick.davids - 2012-03-09 07:40

    Who said they must employ 1200 people before consulting with the public. Now,are we supposed to be feeling bad about 1200 people losing their jobs. Once again they have have made promises to 1200 people at the publics expense!

  • Jacks - 2012-03-09 07:42

    How come I have to pay R 2.00 PER KILOMETER for the section between the N1 and N4 interchange and the Stormvoel offramp?

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-03-09 07:43

    Let a SANRAL boss or the relevant ministers make an affidavit, stating that it is not the right of a traveler to use the roads on the land mass of South Africa, free of any charge and without any interference. While at it, let them add that all people are in fact drivers and not travelers. I dare them.

  • tim.jordaan - 2012-03-09 07:52

    I own and run a plumbing business, these tolls will simply puts us out of business, all of our rates will have to go up and it will put us out of competition for work in areas outside the ring road because our travelling will be to expensive. Therefore less work = less staff, adding to the already unemployed. The Government has not thought this whole process through, we as the public are not going to be able to afford all these extra taxes. We simply cannot keep passing the costs over to the consumer, they cannot afford, its not like salaries will go up because of the tolls.......... SO WHAT NO MR ZUMA????????

  • Chuck - 2012-03-09 07:59

    Ja. Like we can trust that what you buggers are saying isn't lies?

  • makesuthink - 2012-03-09 08:02

    the liars in government say that one pays 30 cents /km. That is if one has a e-tag if not one pays 58cents/km. Another question will SANRAL be charging in Arrears or in advance oat the toll plazas eg if you come on the N3 north at Van Buuren Road the tollplaza is about 500 metres in front of you. do you pay for the distance from the previous tollplaza or for the distance to the next one. to compound the issue and to get SANRAL in a corner there is a tollplaza about 300 metres before the Voortrekker Road off ramp on the N12 east in Alberton. Either way we are getting screwed.

  • Michael - 2012-03-09 08:04

    I heard on the radio that in New Zealand they also put up gantries to pay for new roads but once paid for the gantries were removed and through the whole process the motorist was kept informed as to how much had been collected and how much was still needed through electronic boards , personally this could work here but we know we will pay those tolls forever

  • Jonathon - 2012-03-09 08:12

    Pravin Gordhan is a puppet of the ANC's lies and a rubbish!!! Why are these people (supposed to make a Better Life For All) milking us dry??? We need to stand up as a nation and show these greedy animals that We elected them and We demand service uninfluenced by corruption!!!

  • patrick.pillay - 2012-03-09 08:15

    200 People will lose their jobs ? What about the millions that would go below the breadline because they have to cough op this extra money for toll fees. Also note that the cost of all food and services will rise steeply due to the toll fees. I think somebody needs more money to buy new cars and houses and to pay for flights for their families and bodyguards. VIVA Cosatu keep up the pressure.

  • Warwick - 2012-03-09 08:21

    sanral = lies, deciet, corruption. Jail Ali & Co. Don't get tagged people, then they have your number. Resist this outrage.

  • J.p. - 2012-03-09 08:32

    It started off at 66 cents/km. Now down to 30 cents/km. Can you imagine how badly they were going to screw us initially? SANRAL has lost all credibility and I believe even at the reduced rate, they are going to make some fat cats even fatter. I also want to know how much money would leave the country through this crooked e-tolling system. What a farce!!!

      Russell - 2012-03-09 09:23

      Agreed, but do some calculations, no part of your journey will cost 30c, it is much much more because the gantries have fixed amounts assigned to them. For some it could be as much as R6.00 a km

  • Russell - 2012-03-09 08:51

    Guys, do some calculations, If I get on the N12 at Klipriver and off at Camaro, a distance of 3 km's, the trip should cost me 90c, I went onto the SANRAL website and used their trip calculator and according to them this same trip will cost R6.00 with out a etol tag and R2.24 with a tag, this means the cost per km is either R2.00km or 75cents km yet they tell us that the cost has been reduced to 30cents, they are lying to us !!!

  • Wayne - 2012-03-09 08:54

    SANRAL are dishonest !!!!! I am concerned about giving them my bank account details, so I put them to the test and registered a dummy prepaid account with phantom details. At the end of the registration process I was required to pay an initial registration fee of R50, and the only way that I can do this is by providing my credit card details. Yet they say that bank account details are not required. What hypocrisy !!!! Once again this proves how dishonest SANRAL is. How can I trust them with any of my information

  • makesuthink - 2012-03-09 09:27

    How do we know when Mr Ali (CEO OF sanral) lies to us In fact anybody to do with Sanral and the forty thieves His lips move

  • Hermann - 2012-03-09 09:30

    Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan announced recently that the tariffs for Gauteng's e-tolls had been reduced to 30c/km for light motor vehicles with an e-tag. How much will the out of towner who only visits occasionally have to pay?

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-03-09 09:39

      depends if the out-of-towner is stupid enough to buy a day pass or not... if they resist too, then nothing!!!!

  • Warwick - 2012-03-09 09:36

    Don't get tagged, they will own and rape you from there - resist this unjust & unfair taxation. Bad things happen when good people allow it too. Be proactive - resist the corrupt anc & sanral, they serve their own interests.

  • werner.smidt - 2012-03-09 09:39

    I still don't get why people that contribute massively to the economy should be punished by a toll system.

  • shawnbrownphoto - 2012-03-09 09:54

    SCRAP E-TOLLING!!I agree with you Peter, where is the money for the fuel levies?? The money that has been paying for our roads for how long? want to say not to Corruption? Say no to e-tolling!