Sasco disgusted by universities

2011-01-13 16:57

Johannesburg - The SA Students' Congress (Sasco) expressed "disgust" on Thursday at the turning away of students by universities.

Sasco president Mbulelo Mandlana said: "We are extremely disgusted by the irresponsible behaviour of turning away students by the University of Johannesburg and Wits University in particular."

He said Sasco structures at UJ and Wits would "turn the screws" in reaction to this "nonsensical behaviour, even if this includes strikes and protests".

To the question of universities having a limit on how many students they could accommodate, Mandlana said the institutions "need to make more of an effort to maximise the extent to which students can be registered".

He claimed some universities would prefer not to admit a student from a disadvantaged background.

"To admit a student who will not pay immediately doesn't go well with cutting costs... they would prefer to take someone who is not on a loan.

"The big five universities, Stellenbosch, Wits, University of Cape Town, and so on... want to keep competitiveness by not sharing in accommodating students who come from a disadvantaged background and who don't pass as convincingly as others."

Mandlana also commented on free education for South Africans.

"We cautiously welcome assertions by the ANC president that this year will result in the incremental introduction of free education for the poor. The ministry of higher education must now answer questions of when and how this will happen," he said.

He said Sasco's 2011 Right to Learn campaign would be officially launched on January 21 with a rally at Stellenbosch University.

Congress of SA Trade Unions general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi was expected to address students.

The Right to Learn campaign aims to ensure access to higher education for all potential students, as well as free education.

  • ebdg3000 - 2011-01-13 17:08

    Tertiary education is not a right, you monkey.

      Singo - 2011-01-13 17:18

      they have a right to learn not to be turned away you moroon.

      Kristi10 - 2011-01-13 17:29

      @Singo. Wrote matric last year? Everywhere in the world (not just SA) going to uni is not a right but a privelage... something you earn by passing matric very well and applying on time at you uni of choice. Sorry sweety did you not get in?

      Pete_Tong - 2011-01-13 17:30

      @Singo spelling moron, moroon makes you one.

      rade8408 - 2011-01-13 17:36

      @Singo its not as simple as that. They cannot accomodate the increased number of students without expanding thier lecture venues, residences and all the associated facilities/staff such as kitchens/kitchen staff, building maintenance, sporting facilities, dining halls, etc. All these students are going to need more lecturers, decent lecturers (You do want decent lecturers right?)want a decent salary. What im getting at, is that there are incredible costs associated with each and every student, costs the university incurs. If these students cant pay for thier education, where does the money come from? HOW is the university supposed to fund the neccessary expansions accepting EVERY person that wants to go to university will require? When you and SASCO can intelligently answer this question, then we can think about free tertiary education for everyone that gets the necessary marks.

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 17:40

      @ebdg - in many countries it is a right, so it is just your perception, and your perception is not really valid in the real world

      Sparxi - 2011-01-13 17:47

      @ebdg - Keep the "monkey" comments out of this, please. Uncalled for. You might not personally understand any of the racial sensitivities around it, but presumably you actually do and use this word deliberately to provoke. @singo - tertiary education is NOT a right and there are only so many places available for students. You can't wish that away. Furthermore, a country does not need everyone to have a degree, in fact giving everyone a degree in an environment that cannot afford degreed employees will devalue tertiary education in the long run.

      Kaapie - 2011-01-13 18:02

      Singo is jy dom of wat.. if u dont have the qualifications you cant enter, if you didnt apply you cant just rock up and expect to enter. Every institution has rules and one ha to abide by them

      john - 2011-01-13 18:11

      @Singo, they don't have a right to learn. They must qualify first. Or maybe you feel that someone who gets a G in matric should not only be given a spot at Tuks medical school, but should also be given his degree automatically because "pass one, pass all"? You might want to be treated by a doctor like that when your life is on the line. Most of us don't.

      ebdg3000 - 2011-01-14 16:25

      @Sparxi: OK, Dad, I'm sorry (but remember, a monkey in dress is monkey no less ...)

      NO-BULL - 2011-01-19 09:02

      My mother is a teacher and told me that there were 5 students in her class last year that never ONCE got more than 20% for a single test the entire year, yet with our new marking system they all passed matric... So if the government simply passes people because they WERE disadvantaged then what is to stop them from getting into Uni? Not even 30% understanding of Matric, what the hell are they going to do in Uni? But of course, they were disadvantaged so they will surely get their doctorates by the end of year 2. Anything less than a degree is already worth close to nothing at all, now they are just making it all worthless. I guess that is the plan. If nobody's qualifications mean anything then any form of education is useless in terms of finding employment as a person with 3rd grade will be on equal footing with someone with 3rd year BSc. I wonder, "Free education for the poor". My wife earns peanuts. We are not rich by a long shot... would she qualify for free education or hasn't she been "poor" for long enough... i.e. since her grandparents were born?

  • gmck21 - 2011-01-13 17:10

    will it be free for whites is the question

      Kristi10 - 2011-01-13 17:31

      No the blacks will strike...

      Kristi10 - 2011-01-13 18:38

      The black student want to strike. White student have applied long before the deadline to go to uni. I worked hard for the education that I got. I did not get it for free. My parents were very poor and I had to make a plan myself to pay. I went to a school in a bad area and still passed matric well enough to go study. I worked evenings as a waitress and also made clothes to sell at markets over weekends. I never had the attitude that the world owes me anything... Sympathy would be for those whose deserve it not the lazy ones with the attitude of I just passed now give me a degree. Not racist it is reality

  • Zion - 2011-01-13 17:11

    I may be as dumb as SASCO but cannot for the life of me think where those thousands of students will be accommodated. It is as pointless as holding the bus back because it is full and cannot handle another 100 passengers. Africa, Oh Afrika.

      Dave - 2011-01-13 17:36

      You "need to make more of an effort to maximise the extent to which students can be registered". Come on Zion, lateral think here, make an effort. Roof racks on top of the building maybe?

  • rick.stroud1 - 2011-01-13 17:18

    What part of "full" don't you understand. Everything has a limit. Once that limit is reached then it is full.

      Shistirrer - 2011-01-13 17:25

      Except of course the brain cavities of Mbulelo Mandlana and that other bastion of higher education and intelligence, Julius Malema. It seems to have an endless capacity for bullshyte. Oh, sorry I'm wrong, they too have limits. That's why they have pressure release valves: their mouths. When their brains are full of BS their mouths release it.

      Barry M - 2011-01-14 16:28

      Nasa and other institutions spend billions looking out into space to locate and sudy "black holes" - whate a waste of resourses - we have Malema right here - look inward Nasa, look inward!

  • Kristi10 - 2011-01-13 17:19

    You need to pass "convincingly" to get a degree? I thought that degrees are free... Silly me

  • Jean - 2011-01-13 17:20

    And why did all the students wait so long? Now the University is blamed and as usual in SA the guilty is praised and protected. Instead they must take responsibility for their future and not act as lame pathetic ducs. Unfortunately that is how our people in SA is taught. It is always someone else's fault and someone must compensate you while you sit on your ass doing nothing. Give me give me country.

      Sizwe - 2011-01-14 00:36

      @Jean your logic is flawed, if you are talking of capacity then applying early or late will not affect the outcome, mainly that most will not be accomodated. This is the argument, should SA institutions still be working on the framework and capacity of pre-1994 when the majority were not expected to form part of the mainstream Higher Education? The answer is invariably no. Thus most have missed the simple point that capacity has to be upped to accomodate the large influx of matriculants with a university enrance, after all you cannot enroll unless you meet the LEGISLATED minimum criteria for higher education. As such whilst they(SASCO) have structured their argument poorly the reasoning is rather sound, after all to improve our economy we need a highly skilled professional workforce and not blue collar workers.

      gary.gecko - 2011-01-14 16:59

      @Sizwe - while your argument re. increased capacity is sound, it costs money. You need lecture halls, lecturers to use them, laboratories, computers, etc. The list is long. You cannot increase capacity overnight, and admitting students who can't pay will not help you afford the extra infrastructure either. So, while the capacity is still limited, they admit the students who have the best chance of passing. Should they admit thousands who have little to now chance of passing even the first semester, and an even smaller chance of being able to pay for their tuition, and turn away students with the potential to excel?

  • KarinWalker - 2011-01-13 17:21

    So the University was just supposed to let in 30 000 late applicants? Just because you have a minimum "bachelor's pass" matric ( which would be a total fail in the real world btw)doesn't mean that you automatically have the right to just walk into a university. And your chances of passing your varsity subjects with 50% would be nil! So you would be wasting the time and money of the university and the taxpayers that subsidize varsity students. universities are for the academically gifted and hard-working. Most learners DONT have the ability to pass academic subjects at varsity. And if every Tom, Dick and Harry was given a degree, degrees would become as worthless as our matric has now become.This country needs artisans, electricians, plumbers, draughtsmen, and motor mechanics. Not 1 million B.A ( Zulu and Anthropology) graduates!

      Pete_Tong - 2011-01-13 17:49

      Agreed Karin. The problem however with non-academical people, and intelligence in general, is that one requires it to be able to comprehend it. For a person to understand exactly what 'being intelligent / being intelligent enough for...' requires a certain level of intellect. If thats lacking then the individual assumes he/she has the capabilities to run, say... a company or a country, because there is an inability to fathom what this responsibility entitles. We can compare it to a mentally handicapped person that doesn't realise that theres something wrong with him and perhaps to him the rest of the world seems strange but everything in his mind makes sense. Children and animals are no different, except that children by course of the normal flow of aging, develope mentally.

      fluffy - 2011-01-13 17:50

      they must acept them then when they fail they must pay well the gov will then they might wake up and see they cant just taking anyone on

      Pete_Tong - 2011-01-13 18:00

      @fluffy ... Are you drunk?

      Sizwe - 2011-01-14 00:43

      @Karin, you logic or lack of is astounding! A bachelors pass means that you qualify for University entrance. Anything to the contrary would nullify the need for the requirement. All things being equal there exists no impediment for a candidate with a bachelors pass to succeed in tertiary. If you know of any other requirement that all the educational experts who made the framework then please do inform us, I for one would like to know about this extra special ingredient of yours that exceeds the minimum standard?? .

      KarinWalker - 2011-01-14 13:16

      @Sizwe. god! When you have 59 000 learners competing for 8 000 first year places, and 8 000 learners have 6 distinctions, dont you think that the learners with 6 distinctions should be given preference over the learners with 5 D's ! The basic minimum requirement is simply the cut off point below which you will not even be put on the list for consideration. THAT'S ALL! It DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE THE BRAINS TO COPE WITH VARSITY MATHS AND CHEMISTRY or any other subject!!If you only achieved 40 % for Maths for matric, do you HONESTLY think you can pass varsity Maths at 50%? . You are the one with no logic! And where the hell are the 59 000 students going to sit! must the government build universities that can hold 59 000 students. You need to get a brain. The "secret" requirement is "INTELLIGENCE"!

      gary.gecko - 2011-01-14 17:07

      @Sizwe - A bachelors pass means that you qualify to apply for university entrance. It has never meant that you are automatically accepted into a university. Even back when only whites qualified, you still had to go through an approval process before you were accepted. That is how universities the world over work and have always worked for hundreds of years. Saying that a bachelors pass allows you to automatically succeed to tertiary education, is like saying that if you meet the requirements for a job, you get it - no need for interviews and short-lists. Universities cannot accept everyone. They only have limited capacity. Being taught to read and write is a right. Tertiary education, however, is a privilege.

  • Skottie - 2011-01-13 17:21

    Idiot. Making asumption that they turn away students who are black. What a lot of crap. Let him / university release the stats on how many students are registers and their race. Himself has limited brain functions by not thinking clearly that all universities do have limitations in terms of capacity but he / they much believe everything must be overdone.

  • Joe_Public - 2011-01-13 17:21

    Ever heard of planning in advance? It seems your brothers only have the capacity to live in the moment. I'm quite disgusted that you're disgusted. It's called the merit system. Where the best get the positions? I know it's part of history in this country. One day when you abandon BBEEEEEEE and stop being so affirmative maybe your brothers will realise that they need to apply their brains in order to be allowed the *privilege* of gaining skills and employment. PS: Malema is not a good mentor in this aspect of life

  • Faiker - 2011-01-13 17:23

    The comment about not paying immediately is nonsense. NSFAS financial aid is a guaranteed payment, unlike the self-paying student who might default on his account. The institution doesn't make the loan, NSFAS does and only required repayment once the student has qualified.

      Pragmatist - 2011-01-13 17:49

      If NSFAS is backed by the GVT, it is no guarantee of payment... the money has been stolen already!

  • dannybfree - 2011-01-13 17:28

    I live in SA for about 12 years. I do come from Switzerland. In Switzerland everybody is allowed to study who passes with at least 66.7%. AS a long as SA makes studying for free available to everybody not just the poor, then I think that is the right way to go. Especially when we also think that the young people who start studying now, are people who have been born after apartheid, then they are not anymore previously disadvantaged, they could only be newly disadvantaged, so then it should be the same for everybody.

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 17:45

      @danny - I agree everyone that does get good enough marks should get access to university no matter your race or financial status, but I prefer the Polish system where your year of study is only free if you maintain a certain average for all your subjects. I believe if it is made free without responsibility we will end up with more students than workers

      Sparxi - 2011-01-13 17:53

      And exactly how does Switzerland afford this? If the funding model would work here, maybe that's something to consider. But apples with apples and pears with pears, please.

      Smk - 2011-01-13 18:44

      Danny. The problem is here the minimal pass mark required is 30%. less then half of Switzerlands 66.7% Also I was born during Appartheid but I got off my ass and worked. Which is not what happens with the majority in SA as they get grants etc so they don't need to work as people like me ensure they get a free house ( iahve to buy mine) free lights/water etc (I pay for mine) Africa is a nation of handouts and if the world was smart they would stop giving to force them to learn to work and be productive instead of sitting on their rears begging.

      piet.strydom - 2011-01-13 18:52

      The way that Switzerland can afford it is by sitting on Billions and Billions of dollars that corrupt people all over the world has stashed into their banking system. Mugabe, Ghadaffi, Saddam, Marcos' to name a few. This is on top of hundreds of years of being the bankers for Europe's conflicts. This has enabled them to have a low tax rate, so now lots international trade flow through Switzerland. According to the paper work at least. Meaning that by using transfer pricing, the profits are recorded in Swiss entities, and the low Swiss tax rates apply, depriving other countries from much needed revenues. Especially think of mineral rich third world countries. That is why I am an abolute supporer of mine royalties. Profits are a figment of accountants imaginations.

  • Shelley Pembroke - 2011-01-13 17:30

    Of course the universities want to accept the people who can pay fees directly, they're sure as hell not getting the financial support from government that they should be.

  • Wishbone - 2011-01-13 17:32

    Anti-logic rhetoric again - all for personal gain at the end of the day.

  • fozzie - 2011-01-13 17:35

    Mbulelo Mandlana's rantings seem to fail to consider basic logistics, since in reality full time tertiary educational institutions can only accomodate a limited number of students and as such they require early registration and acceptance which I'm sure many of those who were turned away failed to do. He also fails to consider the fact that UNISA is not restricted by capacity concerns and the students in question are likely to be accepted there. In terms of the free education for all concept, maybe he should be paying attention to the fact that to a large degree many employment markets in this country have become saturated with graduates whilst the traditional trade environment (which may suit those students "don't pass as convincingly as others")offers vacancies both locally and internationally. Regretably finances and studies are always a problem, but claiming that students with loans are turned away is just daft... maybe he means students who haven't paid and are occupying the place of a potential student who will, in which case one really should inform SASCO that every choice comes with responsibility sacrifice and that counts for all students not just the disruptive bunch associated with SASCO.

      Heibrin - 2011-01-13 18:00

      I agree about the trades. Sadly most of these youths believe this to be below them, instead of realizing that a trade is actually one of the few occupations which guarantees that you'll be able to become self-employed... and that might lead to you creating jobs for others. Ahhh crap, just realized my mistake: they all know that self-employment means they'll actually have to work for a living.

      Sizwe - 2011-01-14 00:51

      @Heibrin, as a young black professional who works hard, and even harder than my white counter parts, F%$k U! You cannot lump people together indiscriminately, I would have thought your peoples rantings about not all being racists would have taught you a lesson!!

      Heibrin - 2011-01-14 01:17

      @Sizwe, where did I even mention race??? It would seem that you assumed that I meant black youths, whereas neither fozzie nor myself distinguished between races. The comment applies to ALL youths, not just blacks. I'm a self taught computer engineer, without a degree, and have been successfully self-employed for a long time. Dare I say that the only racist in this is conversation is you?

      Smaal - 2011-01-14 08:28

      Sizwe, remind me never to employ you or anyone named Sizwe.

  • Keshlen - 2011-01-13 17:37

    Sometimes i get flabbergasted with peoples' mentality. Meneer sascoc president, when de bus is full, she is full!!! Which part is not clear to you??

      Dave - 2011-01-13 17:51

      Dont ever tell that to a taxi driver!

      Smk - 2011-01-13 18:45

      You forget we can hang people from the roof and windows. She's not full till we pop the tyres :P but then we going no where slowly

  • Irie Fairie - 2011-01-13 17:41

    I would not want to be in an overcrowded lecture theater... the horror!

  • Pragmatist - 2011-01-13 17:46

    These morons have been going on about this since I was at WITS in 1988. NO ONE CARES! If you cant pay go and get three jobs like I did!

  • Pragmatist - 2011-01-13 17:47

    I remember pre-registering in STD 9, then confirming registration by paying a deposit and handing in a copy of my matric certificate.

  • Shorts1 - 2011-01-13 17:48

    There is no, and never can be such thing as, free education. Someone, somewhere, somehow has to pay for it. Once again, the taxpayer?? The more things that are expected by the population at large to be provided 'free of charge', the greater the demand for these things and the greater the expectations become that they will just be there. This should be obvious to those even of limited intelligence. Why too did these 'students' wait so long before trying to register for this year?? Probably because unfortunately many of them do not have the ability to think about anything beyond one day ( possibly a week ) at a time. The ANC is nothing more than an enormously large band of hollow drums that constantly make an incredible amount of meaningless noise about what they are going to do, but to date appear to be totally incapable of effectively delivering on any of their 'promises'. Why does this Sasco crowd not openly and heavily criticise the 'teachers?' and their Unions as well for that crippling strike that effectively closed down the 'education?' system during the second half of last year, most of whom are their black comrades.

  • Sparxi - 2011-01-13 17:49

    How's this for a headline we assuredly won't see: "Ordinary citizens disgusted by SASCO's failure to grasp the obvious".

      Shorts1 - 2011-01-13 18:08

      What about ' Ordinary citizens blown away by (dis) gust of hot air eminating from a group of uneducated individuals that claim to represent previously disadvantaged learners in South Africa '????

  • Allin - 2011-01-13 17:59

    Where did this moron fell out of?

      ex-pat - 2011-01-13 21:52

      A tree, like the other baboons.

  • andrelouisw - 2011-01-13 18:00

    By the way! Who is going to pay for all this free education, the poor overtaxed working stiff!

  • Makutu - 2011-01-13 18:01

    Free education is not a bad poll but who is it free to? Someone will have to foot the bill, who will it be?

  • andrelouisw - 2011-01-13 18:03

    By the way who is going to pay for all this free education? The overtaxed working stiff again! Man! these people are liveing on Mars certainly not on Earth!

  • Stryder - 2011-01-13 18:05

    And I think the universities are disgusted by Sasco for not educating their members on how it works!

  • Nina - 2011-01-13 18:08

    Sasco - why dont you fund all those late-comers? And if you cannot pass 'convincingly', what do you want to do at a university? Come on, this is real life!

  • GT - 2011-01-13 18:14

    why not throw out all the dead would SRC types who hog space and money and always FAIL. The dumbest kids are the SRC crowd spending R1000's on parties.

  • Catie - 2011-01-13 18:14

    Sasco president Mbulelo Mandlana - has the IQ of a spider's web!

  • Boetman - 2011-01-13 18:38

    Mbulelo, you go boy! Who are these children of White People that dare turn away disadvantaged students!!! It is your right to be at University. Let UJ take them all in. The stingy buggers. While you at it, force them to stop apartheid style, neo-colonialism, euro-centric exams as well. Just pass all. Viva ANC! Viva South Africa! Viva free everything! Vivaaaa!!!!!!!

  • Chimanyika - 2011-01-13 18:43

    Sasco, what are you doing? Please understand that universities all over the world decline under-qualified applicants. So instead of getting belligerent and militant, why not serve your members better by identifying and facilitating alternatives, of which there are plenty in SA? You people are embarrassing the nation and damaging its global credibility. Wake up, guys! Matsekeza, Sasco member, University of America in Dubai

  • piet.strydom - 2011-01-13 18:55

    In the bad old apartheid days, I worked during the day, and studied at night... I never complained, because it was what God gave me in life, and I made the most of it.

  • cnlguy001 - 2011-01-13 19:22

    People here need to get over these 'the world owes me everything' sentiments and get in touch with reality. Nothing is for free in the world. And if you want to achieve, you have to work hard. You cannot be a lazy fool who sits on his arse, smoking dagga and drinking cider before class (as another article claims some kids are doing) and then just expect universities to accept you in to tertiary education programs that require a lot maturity and intelligence. Also, a university course requires a lot of funding, planning and effort from the uni staff. Firstly, if we are to grant free tertiary education to all 'previously disadvantaged people', how are we going to pay for the courses/textbooks/staff. I suppose it will be the white, money earning, economy contributing tax payer who suffers again. Secondly, who will account for the huge losses that will be incurred when these people fail their first year and drop out? A lot of people here say that they should just make exams easier and lower pass marks. Think of the disastrous consequences this could have if we start giving incompetent people degrees and they enter the workplace without having a clue what they're doing. Think how this could affect fields such as health care and engineering? I don't think SASCO have fully considered the consequences of their demands.

  • d54 - 2011-01-13 19:54

    "He claimed some universities would prefer not to admit a student from a disadvantaged background." The race card again.

      Gaina - 2011-01-24 08:03

      Why not make it easy for the disadvantaged (those who do not qualify for a uni education) organize a central office in every town where they can just have degrees printed off the net. Then no more money will be wasted for people who are ignorant of the fact that you have had a good education to get into varsity, the government closed down training colleges, Schools were people where taught tradesman skills, look to the ANC for f****** up!

  • Wonderboy - 2011-01-13 20:02

    I wonder if we have not got it wrong. Maybe they mean that the students just be registered and do not have to attend classes. In that way all the infrastructure and logistics need not be increased and at the end of the year the students just get a pass to go onto the next year. Much like the people who are elected to parliment but do not attend. In this way billions will be saved and after 4 or 5 years South Africa will have a large number of graduates. Quite brilliant actually.

      ex-pat - 2011-01-13 21:56

      Heh heh heh. Then you will have the Malawi scenario back in 1970. Guy turns up at lawyer's office and demands a job. "Sorry, we already have a tea boy". "I don't want a job as a tea boy, I want a job as a lawyer." "Show me your certificates then." "I don't need such things; if I tell you I'm a lawyer then I'm a lawyer, so give me the job, you racist."

  • Sizwe - 2011-01-14 00:44

    This is the argument, should SA institutions still be working on the framework and capacity of pre-1994 when the majority were not expected to form part of the mainstream Higher Education? The answer is invariably no. Thus most have missed the simple point that capacity has to be upped to accomodate the large influx of matriculants with a university enrance, after all you cannot enroll unless you meet the LEGISLATED minimum criteria for higher education. As such whilst they(SASCO) have structured their argument poorly the reasoning is rather sound, after all to improve our economy we need a highly skilled professional workforce and not blue collar workers.

      Heibrin - 2011-01-14 01:37

      Where does it state that blue collar workers cannot improve the economy?? Job creation, and by implication, a lower jobless rate (meaning less state handouts, more taxes - either personal or corporate), is what improves the economy. What your saying is that you'll rather have a hundred out-of-work graduate lawyers than a hundred employed mechanics?? You need to re-think you're attitude towards the 'blue collar' workers. Without them the graduates won't be anything, and the economy won't exist.

      Heibrin - 2011-01-14 01:43

      And as a last aside, before I leave for my un-graduate job: with the Uni entrance requirements as low as they already are, coupled with the Matric pass requirements as low as it is, what chance, realistically, does these youths have of obtaining a uni degree? The capacity increase that you're harping on about, does that include teaching them the basic language, math and other skills to a standard where they can actually pass their uni studies, or are you happy with them failing for x ammount of years before dropping out? How would YOU feel if the standard for the degree you obtained gets lowered, simply to let more of these youths pass?? If SASCO wants to change something, let them start by demanding a higher standard of education in schools!!

      Gazza Boy - 2011-01-14 08:18

      Sizwe maybe if those people from a disadvantaged backround stopped breeding like rabbits the universities would be able to accommodate all the deserving students.

      gary.gecko - 2011-01-14 17:11

      You are right about the need to increase capacity. Unfortunately you cannot have free education and increased capacity, because capacity costs money. And students who protest and cause damage (that costs money to repair) to campuses when they can't afford the fees, is not conducive to being able to afford the needed extensions.

  • Yaw - 2011-01-14 05:52

    Do you think ANC is responsible for all South African problems? please I need your comment below at

  • peacelove - 2011-01-14 08:22

    I read this argument and it really saddens me that after 15 years we are still going on about race. Take race and government and apartheid out of it. Yes education is a right we however live in a third world country that is still growing developing - free tertiary education is on a long list of improvements next to healthcare and housing. The reality is that the tertiary institutions do not have the physical and financial structures to allow all students in. And just because one passes matric with 30% does not give them the right to get a tertiary education. We need people who are going to work hard and help build up our country. You have students learning in a classroom of 65 kids and atill achieving high grades for matric. These kids fight for their future. I work at UJ and I watched as these kids queued but I couldnt help wondering why did they not apply last year? Just because the government lowered matric standards does not mean the universities have to lower their requirements. A university only receives so much government funding, only has so many lecturers and can only accomodate so many. This is not a racial issue. This is about an individual fighting for their future and isn't it about time we work together instead of fighting about race? Where is the unity the soccer world cup brought? Gone already? We are all africans and we need to start acting like it.

      Kirsty - 2011-01-14 15:56

      Thanks for the awesome comment! Def agree completely

  • Kirsty - 2011-01-14 15:55

    Tertiary education is not a right but a privilege. Meaning, considering how limited the places are, a student will need to meet (and sometimes exceed) the qualification criteria just to get a place.

  • Barry M - 2011-01-14 16:23

    And we are disgusted by SASCO - bunch of w@nkers!

  • afroduckk - 2011-01-22 00:51

    Where do I 'sign up' for this 'FREE EDUCATION’....? Oh wait, I might be told I am not 'DISADVANTAGED' because I am not black. For how long are the blacks going to be ‘DISADVANTAGED’?????

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