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Satanism, drugs blamed for family killing

2013-05-27 08:44

Johannesburg - A 14-year-old East Rand teenager who has been accused of butchering four family members to death with an axe was nearly killed by members of the community in Springs, according to a report.

Eyewitness News reported that community members decided to spare the teenager’s life so that he would be able to provide answers to the horrific murders of his mother, grandmother, 7-year-old brother and 3-month-old sister.

A neighbour said the boy was involved in Satanism.

“This guy said he is a Satanist. If he kills he is sacrificing his family for the boss,” said Andries Dlamini.

Dlamini said the teen believed a “higher force” told him to kill his family.

“He said it came from his mind and told him to kill them because of the full moon.”

Drugs

Two sisters, aged 8 and 9, managed to escape the attack early on Friday and alerted neighbours.

An uncle who was not named said he thought drugs could be involved.

“I cannot say what kind of child he was. Because he smoked things like dagga. It was harmful drugs.”

Dlamini said there was no financial support for the family and he was helping them raise funds for the funeral.

Beeld reported that the teen was arrested on Friday afternoon and spent the weekend in a place of safety.

He is expected to appear in the Benoni Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Comments
  • Matthew Swanepoel - 2013-05-27 08:49

    Wow, so easily influenced by an invisible force?

      TlholoDEE - 2013-05-27 09:00

      Because it is real...Satan exist

      Miguel Capelo - 2013-05-27 09:03

      Poor ole devil... gets blames for everything. Never the individual's fault...

      Carling Blacklabel - 2013-05-27 09:07

      goddam voices at it again

      Charms - 2013-05-27 09:13

      No...it's drugs and the environment.

      Teancum Smith - 2013-05-27 09:26

      If this force is to be served then why did he serve him? He is being loyal to satan and expecting loyalty in return but the very nature of the force he believes is dishonesty and sorrow. What an idiot!

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-05-27 09:56

      Lyle, you still don't seem to understand the difference between Horror-Flick-style satanism, and LaVey Satanism.

      Alex Inyanga Dowding - 2013-05-27 11:43

      Wow a drug has never made me or millions of other people want to kill our entire family. Typical authorities wanting to lay the blame everywhere other than with the individual.

      procold2 - 2013-05-27 11:56

      no guidence, no values, no respect, no education, plainly another washout on his way to maturety, feel sorry for this family or whats left of it.

      TlholoDEE - 2013-05-27 12:04

      @Chez, I neva said anythng abt Antony.

      James Blacksmith - 2013-05-27 21:13

      @DB Rational atheist? That's an oxymoron. How can you call anyone rational who resolutely denies the possibility of the existence of God?

      Monsta Ronis - 2013-05-27 23:43

      It's obvious he is schizophrenic and needs medical help! But SA is in the dark ages with dealing with this medical condition.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 10:02

      http://westcoastfiya.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/orig-20816879.jpg

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-05-28 10:12

      Atheists don't deny the possibility that there might be a god. We are just pointing out that you have no good reason to believe your god exists, based solely on the bible.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 10:39

      This whole Satan blaming cr@p is really ennoying now.wether you belive or not (dont care to be honest). A while back now,there was that kid that said he was posessed by demons because he loved to listen to SlipKnot all the time. Low and behold takes a sword to school kills a few kids (that probly bullied him at one point of his life etc) and we all know the rest of that story. Now with the slipknot thing,as deranged as it was,at least there was some ,lets call it "Satanic credibility" because he's listening to music in full tilt (i personally love their music,and it dosnt make me do jack. and i have loads of swords,punga's,batons etc. but aint killing no one) But with slipknot comes that association etc. So as far fetched,he made it stick (the voices are the best lawyers) Okay.so this kid who is said to have a disturbed history and all that. And also the issue of him soking Dagga.okay,so what? that makes any normal person chill the F out. Unless of course,hes not normal,and has mental issues.then smoking the stuff (but only over a long period of time) can cause psychotic effects. and even so,not enough to do what he did. So take blaming Dagga out the picture completely. The article is vauge,so it could mean that the other stuff he was on/taking (being harder stuff) was doing the damage upstairs. But this whole with satanism,blaming the devil. Oh please. Did this child even go to church? (open question) Realizes what he's done. panics trying to think of a way out

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 10:56

      So this kid just goes with "Satan made me do it" And everyone jumps the Gun,Because someone said Dagga,now weed is the devils lettuce again =/ ,egged on by religous fanatics and so on. fueled more when athesists try debate the reality of it and so on and so forth. This kid is probly mentaly disturbed,case and point. Satan was probly chilling in Hell on his armchair watching Die Hard 5,when he hears he made some kid kill his family and said "WTF?! well i've been here the whole time,so i didnt do jack sh*t.but hey" Get what i'm saying? This kid needs to be punished,but also understood for future cases of similar disorder/mental illness,so that such events can be avoided or at least prepared for. Satan wasnt there,otherwise he would be arrested for doing this and not the kid. And dagga....well maybe if smoked better quality or just more,he would've hugged instead of killed =/

      Wickus Deysel - 2013-05-28 22:57

      Agree fully with you Tlhologelo we are living in terrible times.

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-05-29 10:42

      "Terrible" relative to what? Forced arranged marriages? Burning/stoning people to death? A war once a year? Slavery? Life expectancy of 30?

  • Yanga Ndita - 2013-05-27 08:51

    he must rot in jail.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 10:41

      Maybe,in the fullness of time.but he needs to be examined. determine his mental health and take it from there really. Think we both agree that the satanism thing is hoo-haa

  • Roux de boy - 2013-05-27 08:53

    Why not just blame the Easter Bunny and Unicorns while we are at it as well?

      Neil Croeser - 2013-05-27 09:07

      I dont know whether to applaud this comment on the fact that you have equated religion to the easter bunny and unicorn, in the realm of fantasy where it belongs, or absolutely loathe this comment, because you can equate the easter bunny to religion but not see the grave danger the latter poses

      James Blacksmith - 2013-05-27 09:45

      I don't know why every person blames Satan when they get high on drugs and slaughters an entire family. Start there I guess?

      James Blacksmith - 2013-05-27 21:17

      @DB Ironically I venture the plausibility of the existence of the Eastern Bunny is actually greater than that of the existence of a self constructed lego base.

  • Julie Bingham - 2013-05-27 08:57

    Neither drugs nor Satanism is an excuse!!

      Lerinda Muller - 2013-05-27 11:19

      Just a thought.... perhaps the marijuana triggered and activated schizophrenia within this boy and hence he is hearing voices ..... This is not a diagnoses as the boy has probably not yet been seen by a psychologist, but it is a theory!?!

      James Blacksmith - 2013-05-27 12:17

      When someone sees dead people, they are hallucinating? When someone hears voices, they are schizophrenic?

      AnyTimeis420 - 2013-05-28 08:54

      @Lerinda maybe if the mother and father could actually Parent their child... he wouldnt have had to use "marijuana"

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 11:29

      And who are you to say that they were all in all bad parents? You wernt there.you didn't raise the child. So how do you actually know? please tell me? truth is you have no idea. no one here does. As for the Dagga. Okay,from experiance here people: You don not ever hear voices from smoking Dagga. Not dagga by itself anyways. Trust me it dosnt happen. if it does,speak to your dealer or double check what medications your on otherwise,cause theres then something wrong there. But Dagga would not trigger this over night. For Dagga to be the cause of this mental-moment it would have to be a case of the child been smoking it for years and years already. Thats how,and when it starts making you koo-koo (and for some,absolutely nothing,lucky buggers.) and again,dagga dosnt make you crazy even then. It makes you hug trees,talk as slow as a sloth at times,but really. Some people will just connect anything they can and go on about it Anti weed people are already lapping this up and saying "this is why weed must stay illegal" and the bible bashers latching onto,"this is what happens when you dont follow God,he leaves you to the devil and his Lettuce". so on and so forth. Its just a case on a mentally ill child that had an outburst. We need to understand what happened to the child so we can learn from it,rather than shout blame at whatever/whoever and demand justice.

      Mike Bundy - 2013-05-28 20:57

      So you are suggesting that allowing a 14 year old to smoke dagga makes you a good parent? Perhaps you are also hallucinating mate.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-29 11:48

      @ Mike Bundy: really dude....thats what you got from that....*facepalms* Thats not at all what i'm suggesting. Did you or anyone else ,thats calling them bad parents,actually know them personally? If yes, did you go over to their place alot,and see first hand how they were as parents? Thing is,answer is probly No,as for most here commenting. So are people able to conclude how these people's parenting capabilities were based on the story the news paper tells us.... did the reporter know the people before the tragic incident? probly not. so the same goes to him Apparently they knew he smoked (the neighbours did) and why they didnt address it,or didnt address it enough,who knows except for their persoanl family. He smoked grass,dosnt mean they allowed it. Dosnt make them bad parents. Dosnt mean that dagga can be blamed for the whole thing,nor the devil. All i'm saying

  • Mbuso Siera - 2013-05-27 08:58

    God help South Africa......this kind of barbaric acts where never in this country before

      Logan Young - 2013-05-27 09:13

      As a matter of fact, this "Satanic Panic" has been a fixture in SA since the 70s after the official opening of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan in the US in the 60s. The murder has always happened, just the demographic has changed some in the last 10 years or so. Now it's young kids committing them and apparently it's become fashionable to blame a religion that everyone's too scared to learn anything for it. Convenient though... Because everyone's too scared to learn anything about Satanism, they blindly accept whatever they hear about it as fact so what better excuse. Even in Christian schools it's a popular excuse "the devil made me do it" and this is accepted... It's all a mechanism for avoiding having to take responsibility for the atrocities committed.

      James Blacksmith - 2013-05-27 12:32

      @Logan Devil worshipping and witchcraft existing centuries long before LaVey. See Manichaeism as an example. It just so happens that Satanism as a public 'religion' could not take office until the mid 20th century with 'freedom of religion'. As for 'devil made me do it', yes in most cases that is an easy excuse, no-one likes to take responsibility. When however we see a person (who claims to hear voices or see things) murder his entire family, or find a group of kids that sacrifice one of their own to 'the devil' by burning them, perhaps trying to rationalise 'that which we can't understand' isn't the greatest idea. That is 'being too scared' to learn anything. Either that, or we need to do something more serious about Dagga and other drugs, than simply pretending it is a recreational drug.

  • Kanya Lwanele Ntshongwana - 2013-05-27 08:58

    This boy need some prayers,the devil is the liar.Taking the boy to court only wont help,so if a pastor could be asked and pray for the boy,his life will change completely.God bless the family mourner.

      Pulverturm - 2013-05-27 09:04

      Yes, that's right, lets completely absolve him of his personal responsibility and pray for him cause that's just. Please, Satan is a fairytale, that is quite conveniently used as an excuse to get away with the most hideous acts!

      Neil Croeser - 2013-05-27 09:10

      Pulverturm hit the nail on the head!!! Prayer is about as useful as stopping a flow of magma with an ice block

      Chez Kri - 2013-05-27 11:07

      @Kanya. Stop with the religious nonsense. Where was your god when he was axing his baby brother to death? NOW we must pray? Is the devil that much more powerful than god? wow! How sad for god!

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 11:46

      Imagine the politicians starting using religion again for excuses,sweet jumping jesus on a pogo stick,this will be even more of a Jerry-Springer country than it is already =/

      Crab Spotter - 2013-05-28 22:05

      @Croeser But on the other hand you don't know prayer, so your argument is likened to your imagenary ice block.

  • Rezaan Petersen - 2013-05-27 08:59

    14 years old??? WTF!!!

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-05-27 09:58

      Mental instability knows no age.

      Matthew Jones - 2013-05-28 11:57

      Your comment is like your name,blind =P Dude,again,no one here knows who or how the kid was raised. And no one knows if they were or wernt bad parents,so its really stupid for anyone to comment/claim that "the parents should've raised him better" "Obviously terrible parents if he was smoking dagga" And random babble like that. its stupid and no one here can back it up (yet). The thing is,parents get a kid with a mental problem,and its either easy to figure out his needs and how to raise him apropiately (best way you can)Or its Not. but its only easy if you have money,because sad reality is mental illness can cost quite a pretty penny in the medical side of things =/ So maybe the didnt have the time or money to investment in understanding their child as much as they wanted. Parents all over struggle to understand things like this for years,and some never quite do in the end. But it dosnt make them bad people. They didnt ask for this,but hey,they tried non the less. If people want to blame the devil,dagga or the parents, they can add one more to the list: God. His divine plan etc, everything happens for a reason that is his divine will and all that. yeah well,that also means,he ment for this to happen and he made that kid born the way he was,and he knew the kid would do what he did. So now we can blame The Devil, The Devils Lettuce,The Parents and God. So either blame all of them or none of them. I'm not blaming ,so it makes me think about it out the box.try it...

  • Kimmy Jooste - 2013-05-27 09:05

    LOCK HIM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!! That is all I can say, it is so easy to BLAME a Religion or claim insanity when in actual fact you , yourself are a screw up.. looking for attention .. HACK HIM so he can feel what it feels like!!

  • Cndo ZaMakhwemte ZakwaHogqoyi - 2013-05-27 09:05

    community is never there for such situations,he should've died next to the them because this is unsolvable situation so solution the killer must be killed.......that's it,murder rate will decrease by doing so...

  • Logan Young - 2013-05-27 09:09

    Rather than assigning blame (on drugs or Satanism), I'd want to look at the victims, the perpetrator and the relationship between them. The reason for him having killed them is in there somewhere. My bet is the mom said/did something that pissed the teen off, so he killed her, then killed his siblings because they were young and would most definitely have been freaking out (and making a noise), so in his blind rage, he'd likely have killed them out of opportunity to silence them That's what I think anyway...

      Adele Coetzee - 2013-05-27 09:31

      How can u take the side of a killer!!!!! He deserves what's coming to him! No good reason can be given for what he did. And why innocent children? He deserves the worst punishment he can get!

      Lanfear - 2013-05-27 10:05

      What?! How dare you excuse what this monster did? He is psychotic to say the least and should be locked up in an asylum for the criminally insane to say the least. I do agree however that drugs and/or satanism cannot be blamed and shouldn't be used to absolve this killer of responsibility. Yes, he is only 14 years old, yet at that age one knows the difference between right and wrong, and if you don't then there are serious psychological issues at work.

  • Lerato Linda-rae Malamba - 2013-05-27 09:09

    At this rate all the country needs is the death penalty.

      Phae Rayden - 2013-05-27 11:09

      Even if you had it the law would not allow a 14 year old to be put to death. What if with proper medication, nutrition and a healthy environment he could be more stable than half the people commenting on this forum?

      Tichaona Ngoma - 2013-05-27 13:05

      @Phae Rayden - How about we task you to take in the axe wielding youngster into your care & see what happens. The world would definately be a good place without this monster.

  • Buzz - 2013-05-27 09:14

    It's sad to see dagga being dragged into some more Satanism gobeltygook again. Yes, kids should not be smoking grass. But surely it paints a bigger picture about the family's circumstances when the kids are smoking grass. Perhaps dagga use is a symptom and not a cause in this tragedy?

      Odirile Seemise - 2013-05-27 09:32

      And too many people are going to take what is said about dagga in this article as fact. More people to hate the herb based once again on pure speculation and nothing factual.

      Irene Kambo - 2013-05-27 09:35

      No money?? Where did he get the Dagga????

      Willie Van Tonder - 2013-05-27 10:34

      Please google "effects of cannabis". You will see that the use of this plant does not make one aggressive, doesn't make one hallucinate, isn't physically addictive, and actually increases longevity. STOP blaming "Dagga" if you are not fully aware of what the plant actually does.

      Annelene Meterki Minnie - 2013-05-27 11:37

      tried my best to find the fact in this article that he was high when he committed the murder, but all I see is the version of the neighbor that he's a druggie. so no actual facts then, news24? yet, so many people believe that this was his motive for the murder, along with the evil spirit...

  • LostAndDamned - 2013-05-27 09:20

    where was jesus?

      Gert Vermaak - 2013-05-27 09:34

      where were you?

      Bontle Gape - 2013-05-27 09:35

      You need help

      Kim SaiyanPrincess Murison - 2013-05-27 09:52

      - Ignoring children and women in the rest of Africa

      Neil Croeser - 2013-05-27 10:55

      I'm sure there was some sporting event he had to tend to because the players prayed before the game...

      Pdevillet Patrik - 2013-05-27 12:28

      driving a taxi downtown L.A.

  • Michael Demesmaeker - 2013-05-27 09:24

    Terrible story!

  • rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2013-05-27 09:25

    satan only come to destroy,kill n to deceive but my personal serviour master JESUS said any one who came through before me will be saved.pls my fellow south african sensetize ur children n every one around u about the dangers of being a devil worshipers..::ONE::

      Chez Kri - 2013-05-27 11:32

      So the 3 month old baby was not religious enough to be saved? Nor the 7 year old? What rubbish you speak

  • Zoheb Hassan - 2013-05-27 09:28

    All excuses, no drugs or devil made him do anything!! He is a murderer plain and simple and he should be punished for his crimes!!

  • Lebogang Mashifane - 2013-05-27 09:31

    They should lock the devil n throw away the keys, what he did to his family is horrible how can a human being think of doing such to his own family. We should not blame drugs or feel pity for this boy he deserve whats coming

  • Daedroth - 2013-05-27 09:31

    We are going to have yet another case falsely labeled 'Satanic' by the media, without a shred of evidence and based on nothing but a rumour and a neighbour's speculation. The media seems desparate for a Satanic Panic.

      Naome Mokeki - 2013-05-27 10:00

      According to daily sun he spoke abt satanism church nd he drank the sista's blood

      Melody Dawn Storm Louw - 2013-05-27 15:06

      If he drank the blood, does that not make him a vampire???

      Spaceygirl (Melanie Diesel) - 2013-10-12 16:02

      Really Naome? You're going with the DAILY SUN??? If this boy killed in the name of "Satanism" then he knew bugger all about the religion. Satanism is NOT about "worshiping the devil"

  • Samkelo Sam Tyeku - 2013-05-27 09:32

    Arg death penalty thats what he deserve hang him!! Slogan of my village you kill we kill

      Phae Rayden - 2013-05-27 11:04

      Sounds like the story line of a horror movie of a forgotten village run by uncivilised crazy people.

      DanielDennett - 2013-05-27 13:52

      Sounds like your village is filled with children of the corn.

  • Ross Scott De Souza - 2013-05-27 09:32

    Well said... dagga doesn't make you crazy

      Jean Steyn - 2013-05-28 17:02

      Not 100% true. It is a medical fact that dagga can cause schizophrenia in an individual that is prone to develop the disease. Schizophrenia is caused by too much dopamine in the brain while Parkinsonism is caused by too little. One of the symptoms of schizophrenia is "hearing voices" that gives certain orders. 1% of the population suffers from schizophrenia and it is often prevalent amongst sangomas and street preachers.

  • Sean Potgieter - 2013-05-27 09:34

    The regularity of these killings is revealing a picture of a nation that is desperately sick, physically and spiritually.

  • Patrick Thapelo - 2013-05-27 09:34

    bad news is in abundant in south africa

  • Daedroth - 2013-05-27 09:36

    It is pathetic how Christians can use a tragic murder like this to fuel their own agenda's. That is the purpose of Satanic Panic after all. Remind everyone their one evil mythical character is on the loose and then claim that only their god can offer any solution to the problem. 'Satanic Crime' really makes no sense whatsoever. The purpose of such fear mongering seems to reflect a Christian agenda of driving people back to church. Note the Satanism angle in this article is nothing but a rumour.

      Gert Vermaak - 2013-05-27 09:47

      say what?...are we reading the same article? Its pathetic that morons like yourself look past the fact that 2 children and 2 adults were murdered. Take your "agenda" and get tanked

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 10:01

      Gert, the fact you need to resort to name calling says a lot. I clearly called this a tragic event and no one is looking past the fact that this was a terrible crime. But blaming Satanism where none exists and then telling people to pray and warn their kids about the dangers of Satanism - that is having an agenda.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 10:45

      What are the FACTS? The whole story is severely lacking in any actual facts. What we know for sure is a terrible family murder took place. A neighbour Mr. Dlamini was the one who speculated about Satanism and other influences. Since Christians believe in Satan and have myths about violent Satanists out to get them and corrupt the youth and since most people in South Africa are Christians, I suspect it is only reasonable to assume that Mr. Dlamini is a Christian who buys the Satanism myth. Not to say that Dlamini is the one with the agenda, rather it is the media who focus on this angle. The agenda may be sensationalism but plenty of comments here on the article tell people to pray and warn their children about Satanism and accept Jesus etc.

      Gert Vermaak - 2013-05-27 10:54

      lol...I love the " It's REASONABLE to ASSUME " ....and its then also reasonable to assume the kid was involved in Satanism. And as for the comments, you can then also argue atheists have a agenda, because every second comment bashes Christianity, in FACT, there are more non believers commenting on this article that believers. So, your argument is a baseless as your so called facts on a hidden agenda. The eyewitness stated the kid himself said he was a Satanist, so unless you KNOW otherwise, the FACTS as they stand, cannot be altered or wished away by you. You should really learn when to walk away.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 11:13

      Gert my facts on a hidden agenda is based on more than one article. There have been plenty of articles with speculations about Satanism involved recently - all of them based on rumours and speculation. Do you deny that the devil is a tool the church uses to frighten people and keep them in line? So is the Satanism myth and the very apparent calls to turn to God and statements that Satanism is on the rise. This has happened since the Harmse and Van Eck murder cases. This happened in comments on articles and in quite a few articles where religious leaders spoke. We had the Gauteng MEC of Education speaking out against Satanism recently and of taking action. We have a SAPS unit which blames the occult for crimes. Clearly there is an agenda to further the cause of Christianity by reminding people of the devil and keeping them afraid. I am not saying this is a conspiracy theory it is simply the way Christianity operates. The only maliciousness is that they have to lie about minority religions and create threats. It is far more reasonable to assume Mr. Dlamini is a Christian based on his utterences then it is to assume the killer is a Satanist based on a mere rumour. Since the kid's actions do match up with LaVeyan Satanism and most Theistic Satanists would condemn his actions - he is at most a legend tripper, a term coined by Folklorists.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 11:21

      It does NOT match up with LaVeyan Satanism and most Theistic Satanists would condemn such actions.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 11:38

      You are correct in that everyone has an agenda. The atheists want to convince others of their views as well. What is different is that there is no institutionalized prejudice against Christianity as there is against minority religions. Atheists are also quite upfront that they don't like religion. Christians tend to want to demonize other religions and involve their devil. They lie about other religions pure and simple. My agenda is to debunk nonsense and a Satanic Panic.

      Gert Vermaak - 2013-05-27 12:19

      Please stay on topic. You original statement said. : " It is pathetic how Christians can use a tragic murder like this to fuel their own agenda's" I still would like to know where this murder was used by Christians to further their belief system or a hidden agenda. You are stating that Christians are pushing an agenda. What exactly are you doing that's different from what they are supposedly doing? The boy made a statement to the witness. If he said that the tooth fairy made him do it, would you also get on your 3 legged horse and blame Disney and the cartoon industry? You do know that people of no religion make the third largest group of all religious groups in the world? So your minority theory really has no basis. Christians make up 32% of the world's population, so its fair to say the Catholics, Muslims, Jews etc etc are all in on this conspiracy? If there was a pastor at the scene , jumping on his soapbox and crying the devil was responsible, then I would concur, that someone ( singular person ) was pushing an agenda, but I am sorry, you are using the death of an infant, a toddler and two adults as a platform to get your own point of view across, and insulting people of faith at the cost of 4 people's lives. You are no better than any other person using this issue for personal reasons.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 12:27

      Read through the comments and you will clearly see what I mean. Plenty of Jesus is the way comments. I am not sure if I can share links but go read Volkblad and Die Burger articles dating from the Van Eck case and you will see plenty of articles that state South Africa must be on its knees and turn to God and Satanism is a worry. Read all articles about Kirsty Theologo and you will see articles that say The devil did not win etc. It is so clear that there is an attempt to attack minority religions. The very fact that crimes are labeled Satanic, based on rumours confirms this. One comment here said satanism should be illegal. We have an SAPS Occult unit to fight Satanism and the occult and not a Christian crimes unit. We have the Gauteng MEC for education calling occult and Satanism harmful practices and we have a media labeling crimes occult or satanic and not labeling crimes Christian. I admitted everyone has their own agenda. But Christians lie about other faiths to further their agenda's

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 12:35

      I would never blame Disney or the tooth fairy for someone's or my own actions. A crime is a crime and should be persecuted. Only Christians can't accept responsibility and blame the devil or external forces for their actions or expect an external force to die for them.

      Gert Vermaak - 2013-05-27 12:35

      People blame the tokoloshi in the comment section. So the basis for your argument and point of view stems from the comment sections of third rate publications? And you say Christians are ill informed and in the dark. Have a nice day. My work is done here.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 12:36

      And more than 80 percent of South African identify as Christian. Clearly a majority.

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 12:42

      And your argument against me holds no water whatsoever. You nitpick a few points and ignore half of my statement. I don't blame only comments, as I said there are plenty of articles and pastors warning against Satanism, following articles. It is not something just in the papers either. There is institutionalized prejudice even from government bodies.

  • Daniel Rademan - 2013-05-27 09:38

    5 kids no money and they aware he smoked dagga - hmm maybe parents should be more responsably

  • Nurse Helenk - 2013-05-27 09:42

    Has the suspect said anything? Misleading headline based on the speculation of some other people.

      Naome Mokeki - 2013-05-27 09:54

      Yes,he said a certain man recruited him to a certain 'church'.he drank the blood of the sista

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-05-27 10:00

      And the symbolic drinking of blood, and eating of flesh during communion?

  • Bongisa Shumane - 2013-05-27 09:43

    Did he go for psychiatric evaluation, maybe he could be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia; it presents in early or late adolescence and would explain the 'higher' power theory

      Sanette Dewet - 2013-05-27 14:38

      I agree Bongisa, he will be submitted to psyciatric evaluation.....paranoid schizophrenia was my first thought!

  • Lanfear - 2013-05-27 09:43

    Yah yah, the devil made me do it. Lamest excuse in the known universe.

  • Bon Quisha - 2013-05-27 09:47

    It was the Tokoloshe !!!

  • Evildino Six Six Six - 2013-05-27 09:47

    this is how I see it. Satanism is a religion just like every other religion.just like how u get some idiots killing for Christianity or some idiots killing for islam like the latest uk case just proves No matter what religion u get some nuts that are gonna do idiotic things.crazy people! plus drugs play a role anyway. so I think it's unfair to blame satanism. just like it's unfair to blame Islam for all violence committed by it's followers and to blame Christianity for the violence committed by it's followers. I'm an atheist by the way. don't follow religion.

  • Andre Nortje - 2013-05-27 09:48

    Why people would jump to Satanism boggles my mind! This kid was obviously mentally ill. Cannabis and other drugs is well known to cause hallucinations and predisposes to schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. That said, if this was my family, I would also wish him harm, but to act on that would make me no better than him!

      Christopher Robin - 2013-05-27 10:11

      >hallucinations no ps if this was your family you'd be dead

      Willie Van Tonder - 2013-05-27 10:38

      Please google "effects of cannabis". You will see that the use of this plant does not make one aggressive, doesn't make one hallucinate, isn't physically addictive, and actually increases longevity. STOP blaming "Dagga" if you are not fully aware of what the plant actually does.

      Joe Soapie - 2013-05-27 11:25

      Actually, enough doobie can cause hallucinations.

      Joe Soapie - 2013-05-27 11:28

      Effects include: * speed up the pulse rate * drastic blood pressure drop * Dry mouth * In certain cases it causes hallucinations * Serious thirst * Munchies * Aggression ^ * Light headedness ^ * Forgetfulness ^ * Cases of synaesthesia (music is seen and colours heard) * Brain damage * Amnesia * Sterility * Emphysema / Lung deceases * Emotional and Spiritual problems * Lowered Libido * Weakened Liver functions * Overall deterioration in health * Negative effect on the short-term memory, which leads to anxiety and possibly paranoia. ^ especially when it is used together with the consumption of alcohol

      Joe Soapie - 2013-05-27 11:29

      Note: Everyone experiences different effects, the above effects can happen (not necessarily will).

      Charles_McDonwald - 2013-05-27 12:42

      Joe Soapie you are just copying and pasting the tripe you will find on politically correct web sites. You are a fail along with the BS they feed the McDonalds civilization. Get a life for the love of Satan.

      Joe Soapie - 2013-05-28 10:19

      I've had several of the experiences listed above, including -but not limited to- a hallucinogenic experience. My own research actually supports those P.C. websites I copy/pasted from so unless you can provide evidence discrediting what I posted, rather just keep quiet because all you come across as is a stoner stuffing his fingers in his ears and chanting "lalala..I can't hear you because I'm so hungry." I'm not actually against weed at all (I just really hate the smell, lol); it would just be nice if people commented from a position of non-ignorance. Interesting aside though, here I thought "a life" was about breathing and having a beating heart yet it seems that in order to have one I have to agree with your opinion. Fascinating.

  • kimster - 2013-05-27 09:49

    ive read an article/stats how many australians are mentally ill - but i think south africans beats the aussie stats

      Bon Quisha - 2013-05-27 09:58

      What has the Australians got to do wit this baba? Hey? The tokoloshe came to me last night but lucky my bed its high on bricks. The tokoloshe it told me to stop eating the chicken. Now wot must I do hey?

      kimster - 2013-05-27 16:53

      mental illness plays a huge part in the failure of YOUR country - you beat australia by far in that category

      kimster - 2013-05-27 16:54

      poor bed and poor bricks - you need a diet ASAP :)

  • Hoxane-O'Mnyama Mawemune - 2013-05-27 09:52

    Swa chavisa

  • Riegardt Steyn - 2013-05-27 09:54

    Bwaaahahahaha... you are blaming a ritual murder on dagga?!?! Mr reporter, are you sure YOU'RE not high? I pity you

  • Matome Lucky - 2013-05-27 09:57

    News24 was it @Springs or Etwatwa(Daveyton)?

  • Natalie Sayers Ellis - 2013-05-27 09:59

    Could be that his family abused him and using dope made him crack.

      Bon Quisha - 2013-05-27 10:06

      It could be that the crack made him dope too.

      Natalie Sayers Ellis - 2013-05-27 11:13

      It's evident that in S.A. many children are abused. Statistics prove that verbal, psychological and physical abuse can attribute to a teenager murdering family members. It is most likely that the parents also abused substances. Before we blame it on the moon, satanism and the tokeloshe, let's try and be a bit more broadminded.

      Natalie Sayers Ellis - 2013-05-27 12:52

      Bon, that was a wise crack by the look of your likes.

  • Thukhe Ndlovu Farmer - 2013-05-27 10:01

    The fool, he should have blamed apartheid, it is reasonable.

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 10:14

      Amazing he ended up killing his own kind. So if start blowing people away all I have to do is blame AA and BBEEE. It is reasonable after all...

  • Lwando-Lwazi Maya Yanto - 2013-05-27 10:06

    Buya Nkos' uJesu konakele eMzantsi emhlabeni.

  • Charles_McDonwald - 2013-05-27 10:06

    Lol... religion at it again Hmmm.

  • Tobie Schalkwyk - 2013-05-27 10:09

    Someone must have his/her facts wrong. We've been assured again and again by the atheists sharing the News24 Comments forum that Satanism does not condone the killing of human beings... So - please explain this one (no different from the other similar cases from the past)? And please explain why Satanism should not be declared illegal, like in the 'good old days'?

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 10:17

      Along with all other religions. Period. Science should be declared God then.

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 10:22

      If you believe in Judeo-Christianity you should know that your God created Satan. Ironic?

      Daedroth - 2013-05-27 10:24

      ...And yet again this is called Satanism based on rumours and community speculations. We don't blame all Christians if a mother drowns her child claiming God told her to. Should Christianity be made illegal for all the crimes done by Christians - you have double standards. I seriously doubt this child had anything to do with any real form of Satanism. At the most he could be a legend tripper acting out this self-fulfilling prophecy which Christians actually love so much.

      Sean Rossouw - 2013-05-27 10:41

      Tally up the amount of people killed in the name of 'god' and the amount in the name of 'satan' and I bet you will notice something. Which one should be declared illegal?

      Phae Rayden - 2013-05-27 10:43

      Tobie you are another hysterical superstitious person. It's time to educate yourself and take an interest in the medical discoveries of psychological disorders exacerbated by malnutrition and poverty. Updating your understanding of atheists would also be a recommendation. Google is your friend.

      Spaceygirl (Melanie Diesel) - 2013-10-12 16:07

      If killing in the name of a religion is a reason to make the religion itself illegal then surely Christianity would be the first one to be prohibited? You do KNOW how many THOUSANDS of people have been killed in the name of your God right?

  • Willie Van Tonder - 2013-05-27 10:11

    Satan doesn't exist.

      Jammies Jamneck - 2013-05-27 10:45

      Wow...Willie and you know this because....then you don't believe in God as well...scary man! Hope you see the light my friend..really!!

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 10:15

    God made Satan. Satan made me do it.

  • Christina Engela - 2013-05-27 10:16

    Wow - the kid has been using drugs, but somehow that's not the reason his mind was so fried he murdered his family? The "devil made him do it"? Really?

  • Phae Rayden - 2013-05-27 10:18

    Satanism and dagga, the two most popular cries of accusation from the uneducated and superstitious. When are our people going to have access to decent information to eradicate this type of hysterical reaction? This child's actions sound like the tragic outcome of an unstable mind created by poverty and undetected by ignorance and neglect. I fret for the surviving sisters because we have such a useless government they will probably be allowed to return to the same poverty ridden circumstances traumatised, alone and unsupported believing in Satan and the ridiculous idea dagga causes violence.

      Ian Murdoch - 2013-05-27 14:09

      When apartheid is no longer blamed for the failings of a government in power 20 years plus?

      doug.evans.56863 - 2013-05-29 10:43

      Exactly !!! And how are you going to educate the masses ? How are you going to make a difference? I would love to say that I could ... but I am too busy chasing my tail trying to afford petrol etc ... All I am saying is that this is a reality of our society .. so we need to work with it or around it we can't eradicate it ... thoughts? Even with access to information people are superstitious and stupid.

  • Willie Van Tonder - 2013-05-27 10:21

    There is no such thing as a problem child. Only problem parents. A child is a blank canvass when he/she is born. Parents choose what colors to paint on that canvass.

      Phae Rayden - 2013-05-27 11:35

      Not true, kids may have psychological disorders which need psychiatric support. Certainly no Satan involved, and if any drug is involved it's meth.

  • Shelley Jennings - 2013-05-27 10:30

    Condolences to the deceased. Very sad indeed:( I hope this 14-year old will burn in hell one day for what he has done!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 10:40

      If you believe in hell you believe in God. Nice to hear there's forgiveness amongst Christians. Ever consider what factors lead to this and how you and all are intrinsically involved. Live in a nice bubble?

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 10:44

      Also. Nice God that keeps his own personal torture furnace around. With his personal stoker Satan. The one He created with the intention to ensure death. Clever Sociopath.

      Tichaona Ngoma - 2013-05-27 13:10

      How about he starts now. I have got an idea, a couple tyres a bit of petrol and a lighter.

  • damonleff - 2013-05-27 10:31

    The Editor: News24.com Kindly note that Satanism is a constitutionally protected religion in South Africa, and that unsupported and unsubstantiated allegations of violence linked to Satanism constitute libel. This story is yet again more evidence of how South African editors and journalists deliberately ignore the right of Satanists to reply to incorrect allegations of harm. Your article publishes hate speech by a member of the public as if it were verified news. It is not! Your publication has contravened the Press Code ! Damon Leff Director: South African Pagan Rights Alliance http://www.paganrightsalliance.org/

      Spaceygirl (Melanie Diesel) - 2013-10-12 16:09

      Well said Damon. If I were a Satanist I would be demanding a retraction and an apology!

  • Liz Rudy - 2013-05-27 10:41

    It is possible that this teen is suffering from some kind of mental illness. It will be interesting to see what his psychiatric evaluation says.

  • Mokgadi Motau - 2013-05-27 10:42

    Really??? "The devil made him do it"????

  • fredpotgieter - 2013-05-27 10:56

    There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.

      Phae Rayden - 2013-05-27 11:31

      Exactly fredpotgieter. If only they had the intelligence to understand the lessons of history and keep abreast of scientific discoveries instead of allowing superstitious mob hysteria to guide their thinking.

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-27 11:50

      Yeah. That was the era when the 'church' killed/murdered of millions. When granny's and thousands of others were raped, drowned, ripped apart, flayed, burnt with prongs, bones smashed, hanged, left to die of hunger in shackles, crushed, burnt at the stake, beheaded, guts ripped out and endless other atrocities were committed in the name of your God. You want that back? Yeah effen right...

  • Charles_McDonwald - 2013-05-27 10:58

    And BTW - I am yet to meet someone who was rendered "Violent" by smoking Cannabis. It ALWAYS has the exact opposite effect on people if not combined with any other form of mind altering substance. Pure stoners are very humble, peace loving people. Fact.

      Sanette Dewet - 2013-05-27 14:50

      Right back at ya, bro!