Selebi's lawyer 'very worried'

2011-12-02 19:25

Bloemfontein - Wynanda Coetzee, the lawyer of former national police commissioner Jackie Selebi who collapsed and was taken to hospital when he saw on television that his appeal against his corruption conviction had failed, said on Friday that she was "very worried".

Selebi was convicted of receiving benefits from convicted drug trafficker Glenn Agliotti.

The former head of Interpol was watching the judgment of the Supreme Court of Appeals (SCA) on television when he collapsed and could not walk.

He has until Sunday evening to report to Johannesburg Prison, also known as "Sun City", to start his 15-year sentence.

However, if he does not recover in time, his lawyers will have to notify the registrar of the high court and provide a medical certificate to prove he was ill, otherwise he could be arrested, National Prosecuting Authority spokesperson Mthunzi Mhaga said.

Mhaga said the State never had any doubt the judgment would be in its favour.

"We had a very strong case and argument."

Mhaga said even if Selebi tried to take the matter further the State would oppose the move.

He praised the State's prosecuting and investigation teams, saying they deserved to be commended for their handling of the case.

The SCA ruled that the State had proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Selebi received payments from Agliotti on four occasions.

These included payments of R110 000, R30 000 and R10 000, as well as an unspecified amount in United States dollars.

The SCA upheld the trial court’s finding that there were four instances which constituted Selebi providing a benefit to Agliotti in return for the favours received by him.

These included providing Agliotti with a report by British law enforcement authorities, a 2005 national intelligence estimate, an e-mail implicating Agliotti in drug-related activities, and the attendance by Selebi at meetings and dinners, at Agliotti’s request, with his associates.

The SCA held that on all the evidence it was satisfied the State had succeeded in proving Selebi's guilt.

"The appeal is dismissed," Judge Kenneth Mthiyane said in Bloemfontein.

  • Larry - 2011-12-02 19:39

    Of course she is worried. She just lost a case and a client. No more gravy for her and a cushy hospital and a Golf course for Selebi.

      Atholl - 2011-12-02 20:38

      Wynanda Coetzee, the lawyer of former national police commissioner Jackie Selebi .... is also an 'officer of the court' The judgement indicates that the appeal had absolutely no merit and was 'not in the interests of justice' to uphold. As an officer of the court, Wynanda should have balanced the interests of justice with: ... the interests of her bank balance ... the interests of abusing the court process ... the severity of the crime -- corruption ... the abuse of the influential position that her client held - and was caught out ... the interests of the victims due to the ''game that her client was playing with a 'bizzare relationship' with known criminals'' 'officers of the court' should know this but some 'officers of the court' are blinded by $$$ dollars.

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:56

      No Larry, you are wrong, it is not the lawyer who lost the case, it is the client's case and the client testifies :)) Why on earth does the public think it is a lawyer's case??? If you do not know how a lawyer's professional services work, go to court and find out :)) The 'gravy' is fees she earned....a lawyer gets paid for her/his TIME, the same as a doctor....and with such a high profile case, it is not the run of the mill case, the lawyer needs to know what and how to cross examine for the court to get the whole picture..... :))

      Sean - 2011-12-02 21:09

      All sing along with me: The roof, the roof The roof is on fire We don't have no water let the muthaf8cka burn The roof, the roof

      frangelico - 2011-12-03 19:44

      Maggie absolutly right,when will they ever learn?I must admit though Wynanda need not worry at all they will look after him very well in prison,the inmates are waiting for him with open arms,can't wait to mother him.Poetic justice don't you think?

  • Andre Ernstzen - 2011-12-02 19:42

    Not even in jail yet and already playing sick...

  • Power - 2011-12-02 19:49

    Another Shabir Schaik ????? As top Police Officer he should have known better, or can we not trust goverment appointments ??? (Second one also suspect ???)

  • Bernusvdw - 2011-12-02 19:50

    I smell a Shaik.

  • tom.robbins - 2011-12-02 19:53


  • Piet - 2011-12-02 19:54

    There is a special place in hell for lawyers

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 20:06

      LOL. I would be too embarrassed to have my name linked to one of these criminals. But maybe this was a good career move for her, because a lot of business could be coming her way!

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:45

      Piet your intelligence is lower than a grade R student looooooooooool

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 20:55

      @Maggie. Your plight for the law fraternity isn't going to go down well on this particular forum. If a lawyer is representing a client of this nature, it is automatically assumed she lied with him to get him off the hook and in a round about way condones his actions. There will be no sympathy on here for you. So call a few advocates and plead your case. What amuses me is when these crooks (Maharaj & Zuma included) get legal representation, then there seems to be only one particular race they run to for cover, but the next day they all want to grab the white man's stuff all over again.

      Piet - 2011-12-02 21:02

      Maggie, you are probably the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you

      Sean - 2011-12-02 21:11

      That reminds, me How do you know when a lawyer is lieing? He opens his mouth.

      Piet - 2011-12-02 21:15

      What happens when a lawyer takes Viagra? He gets taller

      Carl - 2011-12-02 21:33

      What do you call 10 000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?... a bloody good start! Parasites

      Maggie - 2011-12-03 15:01

      @Ibhubesi, it is a free country and everyone can give his/her opinion....I do not need an advocate thank you :) @Piet, thank you for you comment, you are for sure one hell of a man! and you are correct, be on my wrong side and you will hate me... :))

  • Bennie - 2011-12-02 20:00

    Only reason a lawyer is concerned is they have big $$$$$$ outstanding !!!

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:46

      No lawyer will do such a case if he/she is not paid in advanced.....

  • Sharon - 2011-12-02 20:01

    Pay me and I will also be very worried

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:47

      All you people are really stupid, there is no other word for it

      Maggie - 2011-12-03 15:03

      @Steve, no I am not jealous and no there is not one born like me every day...I am one of a kind, there are very few people in the world that has integrity and is honest and I am one of them... :)

      Jenny - 2011-12-04 21:24

      Maggie - I'm not sure you're quite as intelligent as you imagine. However, one thing I do know is that your people skills are sadly lacking. You are also arrogant and that in itself is the worst kind of stupidity.

  • bongani.pasha - 2011-12-02 20:02

    This old man must be punished,he was a commissioner who was earning a decent salary,he became greedy and associated with criminals,he was worsening the crime situation in SA,he was supposed to carry out his duties with intergrity and arrest criminals,instead he let SA down.

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:48

      I just wish they clean out all the corruption in the Police now

  • Cracker - 2011-12-02 20:02

    On the TV news the mentioned lawyers seemed genuinely concerned about Mr Piggy. One guesses that legal fees - especially at the expense of the public - includes also sympathy staging. The more one thinks about it the more despicable the Piggy's criminal behavior. To wish a long jail term on a 61 year old who may not even be in the best of health is not a desirable reflection of what is supposed to be our better sides. But this rubbish had it all. Job and an income probably not even one in a hundred thousand could realistically dream of. Yet he goes out and disgraces everybody - except of course the other Piggys at the feeding trough. The reservoir of sympathy, empathy and understanding runs dry at the thought of what he did. His low mentality! At times so familiar in the ANC family and culture. His type and the others in the ruling party with the same inclinations must know that the wheels of decency and justice in this country has been oiled by the latest judgments of our courts. We as ordinary South Africans do no longer have to feel so isolated and helpless. The real enemies of the people must know that the wheels of justice are rolling a bit faster and a bit more smoothly and are being guided more purposefully. We have reason for small provisional celebrations and to hope that the unfairness of the Shaik parole will be reversed at some stage in the future.

      Gerhard - 2011-12-02 20:10

      Selebi, Mbekhi's buddy

  • amos.simelane - 2011-12-02 20:08

    Folks out there help to understand as to why Shiceka and Mahlangu-Nkabinde are still in parliament and not prison. I am worried that we the law abinding citizens have to be binded by Bills voted for by criminals. Parliamemt should not be the same as a police criminal identification parade.

  • frank.hartry - 2011-12-02 20:08

    I honestly feel sorry for Selebi. He is an elderly man and prison is surely not the right place for him at this stage of his life. It will kill him. Agoletti, who murdered Kebble is free and charges withdrawn against Zuma but Selebi is set for a prison. He had a fair trial and he is undoubtedly guilty but i cannot help feeling sorry for him.

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 20:17

      Where do you draw the line Frank? Was he corrupt or not? Forget his age. Criminality has nothing to do with age. If you steal at 60, you were stealing at 20.

      Cracker - 2011-12-02 20:20

      @ frank.hartry The solution must surely be for the ruling party to stop appointing criminals to responsible positions and to stop supporting them, even against the evidence of their wrong inclinations and doings. It will save us all and the culprits and their families a lot of anguish. Agliotti's evidence was vital to bring the chief of corruption to book. Just one of those consequences. Rather this result than having both walking free and Piggy still in control of the police with an even bigger criminal network benefiting him and his extended circle of cronies in the police. Criminal tendencies tend to develop a life of their own. Success actually breeds success. That the other mentioned criminal walks around a free man is unfortunate.

      pws69 - 2011-12-02 20:25

      If a 60 year rapes your daughter, would you feel the same way Frank? How many people were MURDERED because this piece of shyte protected these criminals. FFS man, think, it is not that hard.

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:53

      I agree Frank, 15 years is heavy for his age, he will for sure die in prison.... every case has its merits and a similar crime's sentence might be different...sentence depends upon a lot of circumstances, however, his position in the Police caused this sentence...he did it on duty

      Carl - 2011-12-02 21:35

      Would you have felt sorry for hitler?

      Peter - 2011-12-03 07:14

      Frank are you a crackpot or what feeling sorry for a person like selebi, this is why this country is in such the mess it is. People like you make me sick

      wilhelmdetlef1 - 2011-12-03 08:53

      i share your opinion 100%,it is for a man like him equal to death sentance,i am 70 years,and i know,i have not long to go.....

  • Gerhard - 2011-12-02 20:11

    After Selebi, Zuma will be next, no doubt

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 20:21

      I won't bet on that Gerhard. You would be horrified to know who really runs this country. It certainly isn't him, I promise you and all of these cases being brought to justice, is just a smoke screen for much worse things going on than you can ever imagine!

      Jenny - 2011-12-04 21:26

      Ibhubesi - Please tell us more. What could be worse than what is happening now???

  • proudlysa - 2011-12-02 20:18

    Correctional Services offer very good medical care. He must be moved to a hospital in jail asap...why a private hospital?? He should have fainted when he received illegal money and dented SA's name! Sick my a**....

      Maggie - 2011-12-02 20:54

      loooool, correctional services medical care?? you have experience?

      nspaynter - 2011-12-02 20:57

      I have spent time in prison and that included the hospital section at Goodwood in Cape Town. They are very capable of looking after sick patients. Yes, there are some facilities that are not up to scratch, but a prisoner like Mr. Selebi can be sent to a prison like Goodwood where he will be well looked after health wise. Alan Boesak and later Jurgen Harksen spent time in the hospital section at Goodwood.

      nspaynter - 2011-12-02 21:08

      @Maggie, yup I have had experience. Goodwood was one of the first prisons to roll out ARVs to their AIDS patients. They had a good psychologist that used to visit regularly. Accolades to Sister Visser and her staff. Prison is a terrible place to be and there are no luxuries even at Goodwood, but as a health facility, not excellent but very good. I would also like to pay tribute to the medical staff at Allandale in Paarl, including Sister Bester.

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 21:09

      @nspaynter. Sir I take my hat off to you. Coming on a public forum like this and saying what you have said, speaks of a man that has nothing to hide. I really respect you! I wish our national culture were as honest as yours.

      nspaynter - 2011-12-02 21:20

      Thank you, Squatter. It's pointless sweeping problems under the carpet where nobody sees them. Prison was a very valuable experience for me. I committed a crime and paid for it and never want to re-offend. I go back into prison to minister to and encourage prisoners. In fact I will be visiting at Drakenstein tomorrow morning. Prisoners are people, though they have committed crimes. Same as Mr. Selebi. He's still a person and I hope he regrets what he has done, serves his time, and sends out a valuable message to others who are also committing crimes.

      Maggie - 2011-12-03 14:52

      @nspaynter,I practice in Goodwood and I know of someone who was there and later in Pollsmore and he died in the medical care....a young I do not trust the medical care in prison. You are an example of being rehabilitated and that the system works. I just can't stand all this people thinking that a lawyer lies in court, the lawyer tells his/her client story ... the lawyer is the mouth piece of the accused, it is not the lawyer's story...and I do not care how many disagrees, they are uneducated of the ethics of a lawyer....

      nspaynter - 2011-12-03 15:53

      @Maggie: It's easy for us to generalize. I knew of a wonderful person who died in the medical care of a Medi-clinic! People point fingers at state hospitals, yet I had a triple bypass at Tygerberg and my experience there was extremely good. I do believe that some medical facilities in prisons leave a lot to be desired, one of them being Westville Prison, and that's where Shaik would have landed up. Westville Prison refused to supply ARV's and had to be taken to court before they eventually rolled out ARV's. There were AIDS patients who died as a result. I remember seeing video footage of an AIDS patient that had died lying on a blanket on the floor in one of our prisons.

  • pws69 - 2011-12-02 20:23

    Hope the f45ker pegs so we don't have to pay for his "state visit".

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 20:32

      We won't be that lucky. We will still pay for his 5 course meals, because you can be sure of one thing, he will get Royal treatment like the Mafia Boss in Durban got. Speaking of that piece of trash in Durban, I sat watching him and the one brother arrive at a restaurant one night, all the bodyguards in tow. They openly laugh at us South Africans. To this day they are still stealing us blind and it can never be traced. It is all safely tucked away in foreign accounts all over the globe.

  • Willem - 2011-12-02 20:34

    Just keep him on the viral cocktail and he will be fine.. abide a few stretch marks.

  • daniel.w.gie - 2011-12-02 20:40

    the act has started he 's dying, next the parole board and some dodgy doctor's certificate . ho hum ...

  • TawwaTienie - 2011-12-02 20:40

    Just another drama king of the sinking ship. Or is this now a drama queen?

  • nspaynter - 2011-12-02 20:50

    Oh No! Another Shaik illness problem!!!!!! This is a complete load of garbage. I have spent three years in prison, one of those years was in the hospital section at Goodwood in Cape Town (I am diabetic) Mr. Selebi will be well looked after if he was sent to Goodwood. Yes, there are some prisons that do not have good facilities, but on the other hand there are those who do have very adequate facilities. Mr. Selebi CAN be looked after in prison. Alan Boesak spend a short time in the hospital section at Goodwood, and so did Jurgen Harkson. There is no reason why Shaik could not have been kept in prison! They are nothing but a bunch if sissies.

  • Frans - 2011-12-02 20:59

    Zumafication has just been dealt another blow. Yesterday Simelane, today Selebi. Hopefully he does not become another Shaik, although he made a good start...

  • Dean Kenad - 2011-12-02 21:06

    OMW!!!! Is he going to jail for 15yrs for collecting ONLY 150k??????? What is this world turning into?????

      Dean Kenad - 2011-12-02 21:11

      How long for stealing 10mil?

  • Goliat - 2011-12-02 21:07

    Of course she's "worried"! What do you think she's being paid for?

  • Liezl - 2011-12-02 21:13

    Here we go AGAIN!!

  • velastardust - 2011-12-02 21:14

    The only financial winners here were the lawyers. R15m? Oh Please! Selebi did the crime, must now do the time. It is incredible that guys like Selebi don't think the process through. Did Selebi really think he would get off? Shame on his laywers for BS-ing him! Goes to show, symbiotic relationship between lawyers and politicians!

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 21:19

      @velastardust. Don't forget the one in Midvaal! Politician and lawyer. Same breed!

  • frank.hartry - 2011-12-02 21:17

    Retrospectively, all you guys that have criticised my comment about feeling sorry for Selebi are correct. It was my initial reaction but Zuma is even older than Selebi and i definitely believe that he should be tried for the allegations of corruption that were deviously withdrawn against him in order for him to become the state president. The NPA maintained it had a strong case against the wily Zuma when it was withdrawn.

      Squatter - 2011-12-02 21:29

      That is better! Now we have the intelligent man we know talking again. For I moment I thought you had too much phuza being Friday night!

      pws69 - 2011-12-03 06:50


  • Andre - 2011-12-02 22:26

    He's playing the Shaik trick..........terminal illness, parole please!

  • Hermann - 2011-12-03 07:44

    As per usual most of those commentating gets detracted from the real issue. The issue here is not lawyers' fees, but will Selebi clock into the government guest house tomorrow or will he be dodging by playing seriously ill in some hospital.

  • Kevin - 2011-12-03 08:00

    Only a stupid lawyer takes a no hope case and no hope of getting payment.

  • Ina - 2011-12-03 08:15

    We all worried! That he won't go to jail with Agliotti!!!!!!

  • Dean - 2011-12-03 08:25

    Sheik all over again. This joke will not spend a day behind bars.

  • Dean - 2011-12-03 08:26

    Sheik all over again........he will not spend a day in prison. He knows too much about the rest.

  • maretha.veldman - 2011-12-03 11:17

    THIS HANDS ARE CLEAN ....WAT NOU ????????????

  • Claudia - 2011-12-03 11:49

    justic prevails but let's hope it's not another shabir scenario

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