Several cops around when teen killed - ICD

2012-02-17 10:08

Johannesburg - There were several policemen in the vicinity where a Soweto teenager was shot dead, allegedly by a student policeman, the Independent Complaints Directorate said on Friday.

"As our investigation progresses so more information is coming to light," ICD spokesperson Moses Dlamini said.

"If this was a raid by the police, then where was the supervisor?" he said.

These were questions that needed answers so that, in the event of an arrest, the ICD had sufficient proof to guarantee a conviction in court.

"There are a lot of unanswered questions," Dlamini said.

Investigators found seven gun cartridges at the scene where 16-year-old Thato Mokoka died on Tuesday.

He had been shot three times apparently while lying on the ground on his stomach. The incident happened outside the home of his grandmother Sybil Mokoka in Braamfischerville Phase Two.

The boy apparently lived alone in a shack at the back of the property. A senior delegation from the ICD would visit the scene and pay their respects to the teen's family on Friday.

  • Martin - 2012-02-17 10:16

    police are the enemy now days in my books, il deal with criminals before seeking police help,

  • Tammy - 2012-02-17 10:16

    why did this young man live alone? Where was his family?

      Jason - 2012-02-17 10:20

      He lived in a shack at the back of his families property!

      chris.z.dube - 2012-02-17 10:22

      he lived with his grandmother,just he was living at the back of the house.

      Seri - 2012-02-17 10:35 the last two comments/paragraphs in the article hun...

      Gail - 2012-02-17 12:04

      Get real Tammy. Go to the townships and see just how many child headed families and orphans there are in this country. And they receive no help from government

  • debbie.koekemoer - 2012-02-17 10:19

    Welkom in South Africa.........What's new............

      Fredster - 2012-02-17 15:12

      I smell a cover up coming...

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-18 01:58

      I remember a police chief telling his people "shoot to kill". We probably all remember that and I aggree. Remember this "poor youngster was flashing an fire arm around at school.. from there the complaint. As far as I'm concerned there must have been probable cause. We dont know all the facts yet but it's of no concern to me. I see it as "another one bites the dust"

  • Shirley - 2012-02-17 10:20

    Something is not adding up...doubt wether truth will ever be known.

      Martin - 2012-02-17 10:22

      even if he did have an illegal firearm, he was face down on the ground, no reason to murder the boy, its plain police ego and murder. nothing more

  • John - 2012-02-17 10:25

    Let's not just blame the cops, how does a teenager end up with cops after him......the parents have a question to answer here and someone know what this boy was up to.....

      zamom - 2012-02-17 10:54

      Still no reason to shoot an unarmed child...

      tha.ndlovu - 2012-02-17 11:00

      John, it doesn't matter for what reason the cops where after him for but simple logic tells you that you can't shoot a man laying on their tummy. That's without doubt MURDER!!

      Manford - 2012-02-17 11:08

      have you ever been a teenager, or you did a shortcut to adulthood, if so being a teenager you pass through dif situations and it depends on environment and it does not give the crooked police a licence to kill innocent people

      John - 2012-02-17 11:26

      Let's hear the whole story the cops shot a criminal who happened to be a teenager, this same teenager would have raped or killed someone with no remorse as they tend to do to make matters worse some idiots are trying to defend him. The cops were looking for a gun and this criminal would have shot the cop first...lets hear both sides of the story full stop....

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-02-17 11:45

      John you’re a real relic from the past criminality does not cling to colour.

      Pieter - 2012-02-17 15:32

      So John, by your standards the police should be allowed to shoot anyone that is accused of having done something criminal? Maybe someone will accuse you of something tomorrow and we can all judge and sentence you before you are even found to be guilty. Neighbours called the police and claimed the boy had a gun. Maybe he had one or perhaps he didn't. The police certainly did not find one. Also, there is a big difference between being accused of being in possession of an illegal firearm (again something the police need to prove) and being accused of shooting someone with it.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-18 02:05

      @ John.. He was not unarmed.. thats just the point. He was lying on his stomache but still aiming at the Police with his fire arm. Waite till we get the full truthful events and then decide.

  • Larry - 2012-02-17 10:25

    Who do we really need protection from. If there is not a cover up, this guy should be jailed for life.

  • kgomotso.radise - 2012-02-17 10:25

    In another article there was complain of absenteeism by police officer now they are present and what the hell did they do?

  • Kusleg - 2012-02-17 10:32

    And what was a trainee officer doing at an operation? Is he not supposed to have been at the training camp?

      Heiku - 2012-02-17 11:51

      No he just watches Police Academy 1 - 6 marathon on etv and he was ready to go,.

      Sharon - 2012-02-17 13:29

      Maybe too many reruns of "Lethal Weapon"?

  • candice.raley - 2012-02-17 10:32

    Sorry have to say it but this is F**ked Up

  • Vic - 2012-02-17 10:32

    unbelivable,these are the same people we expect protection from. how strong or violent was this 16 year old, that they had to shoot 3 times.

  • Silvana - 2012-02-17 10:43

    How can the cops uphold the law, if they don't know the law. Like bloody chickens without heads.

  • Manford - 2012-02-17 10:58

    the police spoke person said only 2 officers were involved now its said several police were in the vicinity what a cover up, hey guys , THE UNIVERSITY OF SHOOT TO KILL, is now on the graduation mode, thanx to B C.

  • Klipkop - 2012-02-17 11:03

    He had been shot three times apparently while lying on the ground on his stomach, F me that is WRONG!

  • dumisiledee - 2012-02-17 11:10

    Oh and from 7 to 5 now its 3? wow!! well done SAPS, we feel really protected around you...........NOT!!

      Deon - 2012-02-17 11:20

      7 shots was fired, only 3 hit the mark. Bad shooting or was he running away and then shot at?

  • criticallyhonest - 2012-02-17 11:20

    As far as facts go we have very few...leaving lots of room for speculation. Despite that it is pretty obvious to me that we are living in a lawless and morally bankrupt society.

  • Barefoot - 2012-02-17 11:21

    Hope the whole thing gets investigated thoroughly, and to people saying he's was only 16 and young, may i remind you of 4 school kids arrested this week while wearing school uniform they had a gun- they allegedly hijacked a lady and murdered her after forcing her to give them her card pin only to buy clothes there. and oh one of them was a girl. this doesn't give police the right to kill though! too bad he had to die, what ever he was accused of might never be solved

  • Natzi - 2012-02-17 11:22

    why exactly does a STUDENT police officer have a gun out in the first place if his life is not in danger?! this so called police force is actually disgusting! Shooting a child so many times for no apparent reason you should be ashamed of your selfs(police officers)

  • Johan - 2012-02-17 11:22

    See the coverup coming!

  • Jackky - 2012-02-17 11:25

    guys lets not 4get that yesterdays report said that,the neighbors brought a report to the cops that this teenager had a gun in his house... now tell me what the hell can a teenager be doing with unlicensed fire arm,secondly leaving alone in a shack at the back of the house,to me the villagers,ve had enough of him.who knows how many helpless girls has fallen victim to this young monster and how many lives that must have taken by this young monster...i think this is sweet justice for most of those his voiceless and helpless me GOD used that student police to deliver instant justice.

      Perfume - 2012-02-17 12:04

      And then again only to find the child did not have a gun. If he was lying face down, could indicate he was unarmed. Why was there no warrant of arrest???

      Thabo - 2012-02-17 14:26

      What!!!!! this happend in a township,and it was a black teenage boy..16 years of age..Imagine if the race was changed and the neighbourhood a suburb..The country would have come to a standstil...this is pure abuse of power by the SAPS...a nd they would have handled the situation differently if a white boy had been suspected to have an unlicenced firearm...The officer must pay..Instant justice must come to him.

  • Serame - 2012-02-17 11:36

    The cop in question is clearly not fit to possess a firearm.

  • Andre - 2012-02-17 11:43

    They are supposed to protect lifes....

  • Perfume - 2012-02-17 11:49

    If he was lying on his stomach then this is MURDER. Have the cops been arrested. I read an article yesterday, that the student cop was 41yrs old.

      Perfume - 2012-02-17 12:11

      The Sowetan gives a more detailed account of what actually took place.quote "Thato Mokoka, 16, was pinned to the ground by an officer when he was shot in the head by another policeman at his home in Braamfischerville. The shooting happened just before midnight on Monday."I saw his brains splash out," said Thato's grandmother Sybil Mokoka."unquote

      Thabo - 2012-02-17 14:33

      Thank you perfume

      Perfume - 2012-02-17 14:45

      You welcome Thabo :)...I find that the Sowetan has revealed more as to what actually took place.

  • Brenda - 2012-02-17 11:53

    Please let me remind those who are shouting about him only be 16 years old, the Waterkloof 4 were 15. There is no age limit to becoming a criminal.

      Thabo - 2012-02-17 14:32

      This boy was SUSPECTED to have had an unlicensed firearm..this was not confirmed neither found on the scene.Imagine this was your relative who had mistakenly been accused of having a firearm and the same actions were taken..This boy was a child who was at the time weaponless,he caused no threat to be murdered.

      Perfume - 2012-02-17 14:49

      And he said to the policeman out of respect "Father I have no gun on me" why did the cops pin him down, did he pose a threat to the 41yr old student cop. They went on "hearsay" that he was part of a gang terrorising the people and that he had an unlicensed firearm, yet no firearm was found on the child. Why was he not arrested, why was there no warrant of arrest, or a warrant to search the house??? He was a grade 9 pupil. Imagine the trauma his family is going through, having to witness a family member being MURDERED in front of them. Bheki Cele said "aim for the head" and this is what these spineless cops did, whilst the one pinned him down, the other SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD. To me this is murder, and the FAMILY MUST SUE!!!!!

  • Gail - 2012-02-17 12:05

    Get real Tammy. Go to the townships and see just how many child headed families there are and how many starving orphans. AND they get no assistance from government

      criticallyhonest - 2012-02-17 12:13

      Gail, what assistance do you think they should get? Where do the handouts stop? Sure, be humane, but more handouts do not solve the problem.

  • elsabe.wessels1 - 2012-02-17 12:06

    Why was he shot three times? While lying on his stomach. Was he a danger while lying there on his stomach? This does not make sense, honestly. What were they thinking??

  • Murechen - 2012-02-17 12:39

    We the tax payer will have to foot the bill AGAIN for the actions of this idiot, because this child's relatives will definately sue the SAP.

      Thabo - 2012-02-17 14:29

      lol..yha they should sue the SAPS for everything they can...

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