Smoking rules 'will hurt shebeens'

2012-06-29 14:38

Johannesburg - The Township Liquor Industry Association has come out against proposed new anti-smoking regulations, saying they will hurt township-based shebeens and taverns.

"We are not sure how to implement the draft regulations, as township-based shebeens and taverns operate in unique circumstances," the association's president Tembile Ntlokwana said on Friday.

"We are also not happy with government for telling us how to run our business without consulting us."
Draft regulations proposed by the health department will criminalise smoking in any building, outdoor venue, public or private beach, outdoor drinking or eating area, park, walkway, parking area, or within 10m of any door or window.

The association said it was concerned about the safety implications for tavern patrons in high-crime areas, and about the effect the smoking ban on the livelihood of its members.

It represents liquor traders in Western Cape townships.


"By turning away our smoking patrons, or having to police them and essentially treat them like lepers, we will lose business [and] revenue, and will be forced to retrench our workers and shut our doors," Ntlokwana said.

The group has invited Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi to visit the townships taverns to appreciate the impracticality of implementing the new, more stringent anti-smoking regulations in such environments.

Current regulations governing public smoking worked well, and the association's voluntary regulations were effective in satisfying both smoking and non-smoking patrons.

The draft regulations disrespected their rights as business owners, and those of their smoking patrons.

The Free Market Foundation, horse racing business Gold Circle, and vending machine association Toba Vending have also made submissions contesting the department's proposals.

  • Shirley Van Heerden - 2012-06-29 14:44

    whoopppeeeee!!! Less drunks. What a loss;-)

      Squeegee - 2012-06-29 15:00

      The only time you should smoke is at your cremation.

      jowza1 - 2012-06-29 15:07

      You can get drunk and urinate all around the shebeen,but no smoking

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-29 15:15

      Yes drinking encourages smoking and vice versa shebeens shehasbeens who cares close dem down..

      tooka.loosh - 2012-06-29 15:23

      I get the feeling most patrons of shebeens could give a $#!t about any smoking laws.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 15:33

      Its simple, stop smoking!!!

      Bardy - 2012-06-29 15:38

      This new law is a clever way the government gets more funds into their pockets. I wonder what the fine would be if you were caught smoking in a public place... R100? R200? Times that by 100 000 (at least) fines daily... Make the sums yourselves. All these fines will go straight into the ANC's pockets.

      Kala - 2012-06-29 15:39

      What applies to the urban club / bar owner should apply to the shebeen owner. Welcome to the real world. And don't forget, you voted for 'em

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-29 15:53

      To whome it may concern:- I have spoken to Eugene about news24 deleating comments and He said he will be looking into it

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-29 15:55

      5 Time my comments were deleated

      Hermann - 2012-06-29 18:39

      @Jason. Good idea they should ban all tobacco products and will you then be happy with increased VAT and personal taxes to make up for the shortfall in lost tax income the state makes out of us smokers? Think guy think, all causes are not answers.

      shadho.storm - 2012-06-30 08:06

      Aaron you want to implement this Law huh... well listen up and BEST you stop / control the emissions from paraffin stoves, all the emissions from braai's, all the emissions from cooking surfaces in restaurants etc etc. The same goes for co2 gases and the like from enclosed public area's, etc etc. Not withstanding ALL the commercial and industrial and petroleum emissions which are engulfing South Africa AS WELL, or you can take your anti smoking/alcohol laws and place them where the SUN DON'T SHINE. You call yourself the Health Minister, huh? YOU SIR, are nothing but a arrogant, ignorant, corrupt, collaborationist, highly confused DESPOT! You and your Department go ON & ON and bloody ON about Cigarettes and Alcohol. HOW ABOUT TELLING THE UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC AND UNSUSPECTING CONSUMER ABOUT HOW HEINOUS, UNETHICAL, IMMORAL TO SAY THE LEAST THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE INDUSTRY IS, IN SOUTH AFRICA, HUH! Come on ARRON have the "GONADS" to face me in a PUBLIC debate that I have requested you to do for the last 3 YEARS. STOP HIDING IN YOUR HOLE,U COWARD! You and the Minister of Agriculture and the rest of your corrupt F&B Regulatory Departments KNOW FULL WELL THAT MUCH OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE PRODUCTS CONSUMED IN SOUTH AFRICA CAUSE AS MUCH IF NOT MORE DIRE ILLNESS AND DEATH THAN SMOKING AND ALCOHOL , FOR MORE YEARS THAN CAN EVEN BE GUESSED AT. SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR DESPOT COLLEAGUES DO NOT MONITOR AND OR ENFORCE LEGISLATION'S YOU KNOW THIS AND DENY IT AT YOUR PERILS!

  • terry.petzer - 2012-06-29 14:48

    And Govement cant manage to controll the present smoking law..... how do they think they will controll this - from a non smoker

      jowza1 - 2012-06-29 15:26

      i live on the highveld.we are surrounded by sasol,power plants and mines.the area we live in is one of the most polluted in the world.almost all newborn children suffer from respiratory problems.all the government is worried about is secondhand smoke.get your priorities right

      frikdt - 2012-06-29 19:37

      @jowza1: I submitted my comments to the Dept. of Health and mentioned the exact same thing you refer to. Obviously many of those commenting here haven't given it enough thought to realise the absurdity of it all. So now they want to forbid me from smoking in a parking area but they have no problem with everyone happily sniffing up the exhaust fumes from cars? Crime rate is out of control, education went down the drain, there is a shortage of housing, but this is what they choose to address? And even if these things are not the responsibility of the Health Department, then improved medical facilities and training of staff certainly are.

  • Jason Pearce - 2012-06-29 14:52

    As a country we will never find the unity we profess to strive for if we keep running different sets of rules for every other issue. It's ridiculous. It's not a 'unique' situation.. It's just the usual complete disregard for law.

      Warren - 2012-06-30 07:44

      Well said

  • burtfred.brown - 2012-06-29 14:58

    And lack of smoking laws hurts non-smokers. It is normal to be a non-smoker and abnormal to be a smoker, despite what most smokers might think.

      jako.merwe - 2012-06-29 15:08

      gfys. you communist

      burtfred.brown - 2012-06-29 15:19

      Jako, what an intelligent comment. What on earth has communism got to do with my opinion on the disgusting habit of smoking?

      tooka.loosh - 2012-06-29 15:19

      You poor downtrodden non-smoker you

      burtfred.brown - 2012-06-29 15:35

      @ Tooka loosh Just imagine how downtrodden and crestfallen you are going to feel one day when your doctor tells you about your untreatable lung cancer, or when you are lying in your death bed drowning in your own emphysemic sputum. Have a fabulous but shortened smoking life.

      jako.merwe - 2012-06-29 15:36

      It has to do with government making your decisions for you...did you really just ask me that question?

      tooka.loosh - 2012-06-29 15:42

      @ buttfred I don't smoke - I'm not crazy

      burtfred.brown - 2012-06-29 15:49

      Jako - you really are being quite thick, aren't you. Nowhere in the anti-smoking laws does the government say you may not smoke - if that was the case they would simply ban tobacco sales outright. No "decisions" are forced upon you. The laws are intended to protect the rights of non-smokers to clean air in public places. It is entirely your right to smoke as much as you like, in fact why don't you just stick a cigarette in each of your orifices and light them - you sound addicted and stupid enough to do it.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-29 16:02

      Smokes will then pay less tax than the smokers in the long run then. So what it better. Catch 22

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-06-29 16:20

      Keep smoking guys, I need a new Merc.

      Jako - 2012-06-29 16:24

      just messing with you man. trying to quit...

      frikdt - 2012-06-29 22:00

      Lack of smoking laws? Where have you been living the past few years?

  • rvbrink - 2012-06-29 14:58

    Now the police can legally go sit on the beach for the day citing that thet are enforcing this no smoking law instead of visibly policing the streets and combatting real crime. Can only be South Africa.

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-06-29 15:20

    Smokey Joe, smokey Robertson, smokey the bear hell even puff the magic dragon. Will there be enough room in the prison system to lock all theses criminals away????? Really,, I think there are more pressing issues we have to deal with.

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-06-29 15:22

    Like Sheneens will comply...get real!

  • thato.bikane - 2012-06-29 15:46

    This law wont work beside we need to monitor & control this law money will be spend to control or enforce this law money that south African taxpayers dont have by the I am a non-smoker

  • Rabbler.Rouser - 2012-06-29 16:00

    They can tell the patrons not to exhale.

  • Richard - 2012-06-29 16:14

    Come on guys. You are thinking about money when you should be concentrating on the health issues. I now live in Canada (ex: SA), where this law has been in force for a number of years (and it works). I used to be a smoker - for over 30 years but gave it up over thirty years ago. I had a triple bypass in 1998 and my surgeaon told me that, if I had still been a smoker, I would very likely not have survived the op. I gave up smoking because I cared about my wife and children and, healthwise, I am sure that I am the better person for having done so.

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