Tau-SA lawyer: Hanekom an evasive witness

2011-04-18 13:05

Johannesburg - Deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom was "an extremely evasive witness", TAU SA counsel Roelof du Plessis told him during cross examination in the Equality Court on Monday.

"You answer questions like a politician," said Du Plessis.

Hanekom was testifying in the hate speech trial against Julius Malema, which entered its second week on Monday.

The ANC Youth League president is being tried on a charge brought by the civil rights group AfriForum, which contends that his singing of a struggle song containing the lyrics "awudubhule ibhunu" (shoot the boer) constitutes hate speech.

On Friday, Hanekom, who is also a member of the ANC national executive committee, suggested a national dialogue on the matter.

Mantashe, Chabane expected to testify

He told the court the song bore no reference to an ethnic group, but referred to a system of racial oppression.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and Minister in the Presidency responsible for performance monitoring Collins Chabane were in court on Monday, and were expected to testify in Malema's defence.

Malema is expected to take the stand sometime this week in the South Gauteng High Court, which is sitting as the Equality Court.

ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela was also at court on Monday.

She has been at Malema's side since the start of the case, which has been set down for 10 days.

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-18 13:11

    It was not the state that labelled Hanekom an evasive witness, but the TAU's lawyer. Jeepers...

      GT - 2011-04-18 13:12

      It is mindbogglingly how these headlines are written

      Michael - 2011-04-18 13:16

      Must be nice for Winnie to sit there for two weeks whilst we pay her. How they can say Boer has no reference to an ethnic group? I am going to create a new song.... Hey Baaas dont call me Boer....rofl hahahaa

      Green Oaks - 2011-04-18 13:28

      I have never seen more inaccurate reporting and basic mistakes ANYWHERE than on the News24 web page. Don't the reporters read their work before the press the enter key.

      zulufox - 2011-04-18 14:06

      give reporters a break... they are working around the clock to give your news appetite (obsession) satisfied... And News24 is free... You ain't paying for this service, so stop complaining...

      Nexus6 - 2011-04-18 14:16

      Winnie should be on Trial as well. Remember Stompie?

      Joe_Public - 2011-04-18 14:24

      I agree with Green Oaks. Time to muzzle this media house.

      daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:24

      I am no longer even vaguely surprised by misleading headers. They are now more common than meaningful ones. @ Michael - apart from the obvious attention-seeking addiction of Winnie, she has absolutely no reason to be there. And you're right, she is chronically unable to perform parliamentary duties, but she is able to swan around grabbing stompies from Malema - pun most deliberate.

      daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:26

      @ zulufox. No one is complaining. We are dismayed at the appaalling use (rather abuse) of language so prevalent on our news pages. We may not be paying for the service, but the editors are being paid quite good salaries for overlooking glaring nonsense.

      daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:27

      Pardon..... appalling.

      To The Point - 2011-04-18 16:15

      People do not mention that that ...... pathetic winnie who is constantly in the poo ... she is a poison has-been and still stealing from the taxpayer.

  • ji - 2011-04-18 13:19

    whats new , he works for the ANC , they all well trained liars .

      Together - 2011-04-18 13:31

      It's not so much a scandal as really really sad - the ANC are in charge, they have access to the entire budget and they still feel oppressed. Freedom is an attitude, anger is a chain.

      Nexus6 - 2011-04-18 14:19

      @ji:Let me rephrase...a well paid liar.

  • Mpendulo - 2011-04-18 13:26

    "You answer questions like a politician," lol! um mr Du Plessis do you perhaps want to rephrase that?

      IandI - 2011-04-18 13:33

      That's a polite way to say to Hanekom:" You lie like a cheap carpet"

  • Rudi - 2011-04-18 13:29

    "You answer questions like a politician," said Du Plessis. Thats not what he said... Ahem "Please answer my questions like a witness and not like a polotician"

  • Born To Fish - 2011-04-18 13:33

    Uhm Was some other banned words not part of our heritage? But we do not use them any more cause we have the future in our sights?

  • Born To Fish - 2011-04-18 13:34

    And O yes! Kak piece of writing, Maybe you should delete this article like you delete some of the offensive posts.

  • onetickie - 2011-04-18 13:37

    If you took time to watch the proceedings on eNews you could have heard and seen for yourself just what an evasive witness Hanekom is!

  • GeorgeSA - 2011-04-18 13:43

    One word - HENSOPPER

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-04-18 13:52

      Hensoppers were people who surrendered. I think Hanekom can be more accurately described as a HANS-KAKIE, or actually Hans-K*r.

      Bob - 2011-04-18 13:52


      daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:31

      It's not a war!

      Doorboot - 2011-04-18 14:53

      I think you mean "joiner"

  • JMan - 2011-04-18 13:43

    This whole "story" is summed up in the heading: State: Hanekom an evasive witness. The rest is just a repetition of previous stories. Seriously.

  • MoZaHo - 2011-04-18 13:45

    Hanekom is raciest. I blame apartheid. How can the black...oh wait, he's from the ANC, oh nevermind.

      daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:32

      Racy, racier, raciest......

  • Andrew - 2011-04-18 13:46

    Quote:"He told the court the song bore no reference to an ethnic group, but referred to a system of racial oppression." I suppose the "BOER" War was also not a war against an ethnic group but was a war against a system of racial oppression. What rubbish this Hannekom is talking!

      mursebul - 2011-04-18 14:30

      I agree, maybe he should go live on a farm and become one of the stats, then his whole family might change their attitudes

      daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:43

      Well actually, the "boer-republics" were at war with an exploitative colonial regime, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

      Andrew - 2011-04-18 15:03

      Okay, daaivark, you are right...but I would argue that for over a hundred years the word "boer" has been used to describe an enthnic group.

  • huts25 - 2011-04-18 13:49

    He was told that he answers questions like a Politician...he's a deputy Minister no $%## sherlock!

  • Iron John - 2011-04-18 13:53

    Winnie, haven't you got something better to do with your time? Or, is Julius Mampara your next gravy train ticket?

  • Gooofy - 2011-04-18 13:53

    Hanekom says that he has never felt threatend by the "Shoot the Boer" song. Well .. if I were a politician with guards then I would not feel threatend. What about the REAL people of SA who have to look over their shoulders wherever they go ?????

  • Gooofy - 2011-04-18 13:53

    Hanekom says that he has never felt threatend by the "Shoot the Boer" song. Well .. if I were a politician with guards then I would not feel threatend. What about the REAL people of SA who have to look over their shoulders wherever they go ?????

      Zooma Lema - 2011-04-18 14:12

      He was anyway on the other side of the shooting - JOINER

  • drjohan.gouws - 2011-04-18 13:53

    I feel the times of struggle is over, we now need to heal the country. how can our country be healed when people sing songs like these which is actually confusing to everyone. If it si a struggle song, why sing it now, we are not in a struggle situation anymore, we're in times of reconciliation. Let us all, black, white and brown stand together in unity and rather sing songs that bring us together ... the new South Africa certainly needs new songs .. songs of hoep and reconciliation, not of killing and murder and agitation ...

      MoZaHo - 2011-04-18 14:00

      Good luck with that. Have you met the ANC?

      mursebul - 2011-04-18 14:33

      Dok, that will be the day after the second comming, before that, crime, corruption, greed and poor service delivery will prevent that, we have to pay taxes and keep our cool just because it is the right thing to do, whilst a militant "youth" leader get tenders worth hundreds of millions and not deliver on them whilst sitting and drinking expensive champaigne, come on . . .

  • Gorilla - 2011-04-18 13:55

    Malema supporters dance around outside a court singing this nonsense, drawing their thumbs accross their throats in a throat slitting action and pointing their fingers in a shooting action. Do they really want us to believe that the song is not aimed at stoking the fires of violent confrontation? Do they think we are stupid?

      JMan - 2011-04-18 15:09

      Its not that they think you are stupid...its that they know that they can get away with it.... like a "in your face" kind of thing. Because lets be honest. Nothing (constructive) will come of this "fair trial". Malema will walk away again smiling. Like always with ANC crooks.

  • golferspal - 2011-04-18 13:57

    Affirmative Action South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favor of the MAJORITY, who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others.

      Psalm - 2011-04-18 15:07

      *sigh*...No, Malaysia applies affirmative action in favour of the MAJORITY which has political control....

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-04-18 14:03

    Hanekom, Kortbroek, etc. they are all an insult to the white man.

      Xavier - 2011-04-18 14:34

      so are you

  • Kakabooi - 2011-04-18 14:03

    Some blacks thought they insulted me on various occasions by calling me a "Boer" and definitely not in the context of an occupation, but simply by label of my complexion. I never understood it to be an insult really, but judging the conflict situation and their expressions of clear hate aimed at me, I realized they were actually using the term to insult me. I still never thought much of it until the interpretation of the song revealed it's meaning in early 2000's. It became clear why some blacks fancied the term as some form of insult against whites, but even more so, to call for terminating whites? I never heard any white "insulting" another by calling them a "Boer" and it never happened to me. Now maybe Hanekom has a different version and experience, but I lived my experiences. Needless to say I view anyone who participate in singing about their own demise as highly suspicious. And I view those who sing this particular song as a menace to my well being and react to defend myself. I judge the song in terms of my experience. If we are indeed a society of reasonable people within diversity, why can't we respect each other and the sensitivity of some issues in particular? Why is this case before a court in the first place? Why is it "wrong" to take words at face value? There are times when maturity to tolerate diversity supersede historical cultural aspects. Even if this song is not judged as hatespeech, for many it will always be unsettling, even if black and white sing it.

  • Ruben Rheeder - 2011-04-18 14:05

    State? What State? it was the lawyer, wonder who the editor is to n24 however it only states my opinion to this case, any-one who refuses to give a stright clear answer should normaly not lead, evasiveness gives to lies and lies gives to corruption its like the saying: "Behind every great fortune, hides an Equally Large Crime..." See my Point?

  • onetickie - 2011-04-18 14:09

    ANC member Derek Hanekom, ANC deputy minister of science & technology maintains “Shoot/Kill the Boer” song is not offensive. His defence was that when the WHOLE song is sung it is beautiful! It was put to Hanekom that the ANC today is NOT THE ANC OF YESTERDAY. It came out too that previous ANC member Prof. Sutner had said the ANC had NEVER declared "NON-VIOLENCE" as Hanekom had said. Hanekom says the ANC today ‘supposedly’ does not support violence in any form and upholds peace. & that the song is an historical "struggle" song. In cross examination it was put to him that Malema's chanting of just "shoot the Boer" ONLY was entirely different to the singing of the whole song. Hanekom was asked many times why Malema did not sing the WHOLE song but only "shoot the Boer". Hanekom also could not answer when & when at rallies the WHOLE SONG was sung. Hanekom didn't answer this. ANC member Hanekom could not even give the meaning of the word "DEBULA" Regrettably the meaning was not mentioned as I watched so cannot give it here. Just before the court adjourned it was put to Hanekom that in 2002 Mandela, Tutu, Shivambu, Patrick Craven, Neihaus, Mbeki & Motlanti (excuse error in name spellings)had said the ANC was now about non-violence. After break: 12noon Hanekom was asked: does malema have same views about ANC policies regarding violence. Hanekom response "not entirely". It came out that malema had said that he would "kill" for zuma. Adv. Roeloff Pietersen pointed out to Hanekom that when malema chants his "shoot the boer' song he sometimes holds his hand with thumb & index pointing showing he's "shooting" and end of his chants makings the sound of a pistol shot.. Adv Pietersen said malema had also sung about "beating the boers". Hanekom said it meant "beating the system". Pointed out to Hanekom that malema had said to a Mr. Roots "what happened at Shell house will happen to you". Adv. Pietersen also pointed out malema's comments "this is not SABC election debate. If you disagree with us I will sort you both politically & physically ....." Adv. Pietersen has said the Court has to decide WHY malema is singing/chanting these words. malema has an aggressive approach about killing people. malema he added chanted "shoot to kill, kill a man". On Friday, April 15th outside the court house malema was chanting "kill Afriforum". Hanekom denied knowledge of these chants/songs. Adv. Pietersen pointed out the stats on farm murders. Hanekom responded he was not in court when evidence was given and no, he did not know the numbers/stats of farm murders.

      Paul - 2011-04-18 14:45

      well done for posting this...I think the hole Hanekom thing back fired on them....

      chris van rensburg - 2011-04-18 16:07

      I think Hanekom has given the answer.If It means they refer to a system and not a specific racial group they must change the words of the song to reflect it as such eg;Kill the System kill the oppressor than everybody can join in and sing as and when it suits them.

  • daaivark - 2011-04-18 14:14

    Irrelevant in the final analysis. None of what he said can be called evidence. We are being subjected to editorialising from a plethora of so-called experts.... pals who claim to have some sort of special abilities to dredge up non-existent meanings. A complete waste of time and Mr Hanekom has now shot what remained of a notion of integrity firmly in the foot.

  • Trevor - 2011-04-18 14:15


      Zooma Lema - 2011-04-18 14:20

      No not black and white, but Civilised and Barbaric.

      Nuraq - 2011-04-18 14:24

      A Black Boer? I can see how you feel left out here. Perhaps if you were to shoot yourself you would be involved at both ends? Just kidding (for the record).

      Zooma Lema - 2011-04-18 14:30

      No not white and black, rather Civilised and Barbaric.

  • Gatvol - 2011-04-18 14:15

    An evasive witness.... Don't really want to answer Ariforum's questions. Hanekom seems to me that he is somebody who sold his sole to the devil

      JohannV - 2011-04-18 14:49

      And his soul?

  • Silk24 - 2011-04-18 14:19

    Struggle songs?? hmmmm..... Why are they still struggling when the struggle is ova

  • Bigman - 2011-04-18 14:19

    only those blind and pathetic whites/boere feel threatened they are an embarrasement to themselves and to those who know they can offer better to this country. let it no be missed those unrepentant whites have overstayed their welcome and our reconcilling hand. its enough we want a non racist country. we want to be one. Let us start encouraging and promoting mixed couples or relationships than surely they can know blacks better.

      Paul - 2011-04-18 14:47

      MR ....Fir

      gizzy - 2011-04-18 15:02

      I'm not an Afrikaaner or a boer and I feel threatend by that song. Any song that encourages shooting has me threatened. So racist Bigman, go and take a hike!

      Zooma Lema - 2011-04-18 15:06

      WOuld you not like a non racist black only country.

      Kakabooi - 2011-04-18 18:24

      See the first reference to whites/boere by big(mouth)man. I rest my case. The rest of the utterance can be redefined as gutterance.

  • bill - 2011-04-18 14:21

    There is nothing lower than an Afrikaner that votes for the ANC . Hanekom makes you want to take a shower.

  • Joe_Public - 2011-04-18 14:23

    Consistently shocking reporting...

  • GrannyC - 2011-04-18 14:24

    It's one of the requisits to be an ANC member/associate - a good liar. Hanekom you are as thick as the court bench you are sitting on. Trust me, when push comes to shove, you will mean nothing to the ANC so stop trying to score brownie points at Malema's trial.

  • onetickie - 2011-04-18 14:25

    eTV are having technical problems and cannot show the Hate Speech Hearing live at present. Sounds fishy............... somebody tampered/tampering with their equipment so the public cannot hear "live" and judge for themselves???

  • isabelm - 2011-04-18 14:35

    It is shocking when journalists use the exact same copy for an article in two opposing newspapers. The exact duplicate of this article also appears on Either they used the same freelancer or someone stole someone else's work. Either way it is deplorable.

  • AgPseDaddy - 2011-04-18 14:36

    Malema is winnies new little "Stompie" she is training him up for the new revolation he is always shouting about. But it is going to be a black on black revolution anc on anc! Watch???

  • Motsoari - 2011-04-18 14:40


  • gizzy - 2011-04-18 14:52

    Hanekom, was made to do the batting for the ANC. As an ANC sheep he is not allowed his own opinion, to think for himself and has to do what his maters say. That is why he tripped up.

  • Psalm - 2011-04-18 15:03

    I, for one, must admit that I was not aware of what Derek Hanekom suffered in standing up for the oppressed in SA. Mr Hanekom, I salute you for your courageous and principled stand during Apartheid. I do wish you'd get your farm back, as the Apartheid regime essentially dispossed you of it.

      chris van rensburg - 2011-04-18 16:30

      At least the apartheid regime ESSENTIALLY dispossessed him but did not allow him to be murdered like more than 3000 farmers under the current regime.Give him one of the farms that has been abandoned by a family where one or more of them has been killed.See if he will take it.

      Psalm - 2011-04-18 17:00

      @ chris van rensburg, You sound so angry and bitter... I think you should see a professional. Honestly, I am not a shrink and will not be able to assist you in this regard. As for your support of the Apartheid regime for dispossessing Hanekom of his farm... You sound like the type that probably sat salivating at mounth as Hanekom mentioned the torture endured under Apartheid. As I said, get professional help.

      chris van rensburg - 2011-04-18 20:43

      I love your name and trust that you are like David the psalm writer a man close to God's heart.As the word says it is not for a man to judge another man but for God alone.I would say he is the professional to go to and could recommend him unless you are referring to another kind of professional.

      Derek Gerber - 2011-04-18 22:21

      What the hell is your point and what does it have to do with this case and background leading up to it? I think if anyone needs professional help it is you. Just a joke, but maybe Hanekom must go and speak to Mr Block of the Northern Cape, he has recently acquired a new farm for free.

      Psalm - 2011-04-19 08:37

      @ Derek Gerber, Read my comment again and this time try to understand it, will you? Hanekom took a principled stand - unlike those who supported Apartheid.

      Psalm - 2011-04-19 08:42

      @ chris van rensburg Yes, I love God. But as I cannot grasp how a person can make the kind of vile statement you have just made. To actually (sarcastically) suggest that Hanekom take property over the bodies of a family? It is a vile accusation. This is the kind of vile mentality of the Apartheid regime and the Nazis.

  • Judge Dredd - 2011-04-18 15:52

    Ja, the ANC/SACP cadres are all evasive en pervasive - a lying, coniving, and scheming lot of paloekas, all of them.

  • To The Point - 2011-04-18 16:10

    Hanekom and Martinus "what’s his name" is representative of the less intelligent Nats who sold weapons to Malema and his lot hoping to get rich quick and flee the country - sadly, it failed - now they hiding in the ANC kraal for safety.

  • kevinmet - 2011-04-18 19:18

    "Shoot the boer" bears no reference to any ethnic groups?! Idiot! Hanekom, Malema, Zuma, the whole lot disgust me! Over 15 years since our 'rainbow nation' was born and we have parasites like this making headlines everyday.. Hope the rest of the country wakes up and starts to look at an alternative to ANC, I thank my lucky stars I am living in Cape Town.

  • Farmer@Zulu - 2011-04-19 10:28

    I personally believe that there is nothing wrong with the "shoot the boer" song. Its a revolutinary song. This song has got nothing to do with the farm attacks as most of the Afrikaans-speaking people may think. I work and stay on the farm, I am an African. I am UmZulu. I have been the victim of farm attack not once but twice. The only problem is for the song to be sang in public. This song should be kept at the museum, same as the old SA flag. The next day in the Sharks-Lions game we will see the rugby fans waving the old SA flag. What are we going to say? To ask them to stop it? That will be so unfair to minority.

  • The Patriot - 2011-04-19 10:59

    Interesting that all these members of parliament, can spend two weeks of taxpayers time and money sitting in court. Should doc their pay.

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