State aims for zero alcohol limit

2010-12-16 21:20

Johannesburg - New legislation might ban alcohol brands from advertising, place a moratorium on new liquor licenses and make any drinking before driving illegal, Beeld reported on Thursday.

"We need drastic legislation to combat alcohol abuse and to regulate the industry more strictly," Social Development Minister Bathabile Dlamini told reporters in Johannesburg.

Dlamini and Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi, who was also at the announcement, said their departments would initiate steps to draw up the legislation next year.

A moratorium on liquor licenses would mean no new restaurants would be able to serve alcohol and no new bars could open, the newspaper reported.

The current blood-alcohol limit when driving is 0.05mg per 100ml blood - about two glasses of wine, two shots of hard liquor or two beers. However, the government wanted the legal limit to be reduced to zero.

"A drunk driver that causes someone's death cannot get away with a fine," Dlamini said.

'Message not strong enough'

The Phuza Wize (drink safely) campaign, a partnership between the government and the Soul City project, was launched at the media conference.

Motsoaledi however felt that the campaign's message was not strong enough.

"The message should go further than to tell people to drink responsibly. It ought to be that they should not drink at all."

In response, spokesperson for Association for Responsible Alcohol Use, Adrian Botha, said there was no factual proof that alcohol advertising led to alcohol abuse.

"A ban on alcohol advertising is not the answer. Half of the alcohol that is consumed worldwide is not advertised. The only thing the legislation will achieve is to strengthen famous brand names."

The proposed ban on alcohol advertising could also affect sport sponsorships.

SA Breweries was one of the biggest sports sponsors in the country. The company spent R23m in 2009 for the British and Irish Lions Rugby tour to South Africa. SAB also sponsored cricket and soccer.

SuperSport's head of acquisitions and legal matters Brandon Foot said suggesting a ban of alcohol advertising was not new, but would have a serious effect on sport and supporters.

SAB said in a statement it had teamed up with the social development department to encourage responsible drinking. Spokesperson Vincent Maphai said the alcohol producer believed it had a responsibility to prevent harmful alcohol use.

"Producers are ready to start a partnership with groups and organisations that fight alcohol abuse."

  • caymanbul - 2010-12-16 22:16

    Alcoholism is a problem, yes.Drunk driving is a problem, yes, but forcing producers not to advertise will not stop people from drinking and driving. Not allowing new outlets to sell liquor will not stop people from drinking. Tell me how they are going to force that law into the townships when they at the moment cannot control who is selling what and to whom. Illegal shebeens is a big problem and will be a big problem until the government can sort out their act their. To force legal institutions into new laws, will only make the problems faced with shebeens worse. I can see shebeens in backyards of well affluent areas. A bigger problem on our roads that government needs to look at is the number of unlicensed, non-roadworthy vehicles driving around by idiots who does not have a license. They need to look at private as well as Taxis on the road, and stop the killers from driving with overloaded taxis, skipping stop streets and robots. Campaigns should focus on responsible driving, responsible drinking, and responsible living.

  • lizelle.plowes - 2010-12-16 22:17

    Why not rather make it an immediate arrest if you are found over the limit? Also why stop new restaurants and pubs from opening? Is that not hampering our economy that is not doing as well as we would like it to be?

      veebot - 2010-12-17 06:43

      as far as i'm aware u get arrested immediately once u r found to be over the linmit??? or am i missing something here?

      Mikemcc - 2010-12-17 08:03

      One can be (and many are) arrested even on suspicion of driving under the influence, the actual blood/breath alcohol content is determined by blood test or breathalyser. In the case of the blood test you are arrested and detained purely on suspicion as the results are only known many months later.

  • immelmap - 2010-12-16 22:33

    New legislation might ban farm murders from taking place,a moratorium on new farm murders, and make any new murders illegal.Money spend on election posters might be used for new posters to be put on farm gates to notify those that can read.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 06:35

      Focus, stick to the topic. I know the farm murders enrages you, it does me too, but lrt's try and stick to the topic at hand.

      Thangy - 2010-12-17 10:05

      What the hell are you talking about?? nowhere did this article make any reference to farm attacks

      gbrits2009 - 2010-12-17 10:38

      I get it immelmap ... well said Guys, what he is trying to say is, spend time and money on the REAL matters at hand, not at stupid things that will ALSO lead to worse economy, same as what farm murders do to our economy.

      d54 - 2010-12-17 11:56

      G MAN & Thangy you guys are as thick as a 2 by 4 plank.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 12:11

      @d54. How do you know how big my @@@@ is?

  • Radrodent - 2010-12-16 23:05

    What a load of rubbish. Only the responsible people will be affected by this. The braindead dimwits that drive drunk will not. 0.05mg of dop in the system is nothing. The problem is with the okes that don't care about the law that need to be taken to task. Make the limit zero and you may find that responsible people don't care anymore and will drive even if they are under 0.05mg but above 0. If I go to a restaurant, I like to have a glass of wine with my chow. No wine, means no chow in restaurant which means restaurant can close down and jobs will be lost. I will then rather eat at home, spend less anyway and contribute less to the GDP of South Africa. Whoever suggested this bill should pay me a visit so that I can smack them upside the head and put my foot squarely in their poefpyp. Morons!!

      Dave - 2011-10-18 00:31

      Fully agree - no wine - no more going out for dinner. No beer - no more going down to the pub to hear the lads rockin out or visiting the mates for a braai. No more Christmas parties, no going to sporting events, bye bye to my hobby - I'm a home brewer - all the club members meet once a month to share brewing war stories and taste each others brews - great idea - but wont be able to get home in future. Life as we know it will come to an end. Not sure I'll want to stay in such a place. I'd rather move somewhere where you can catch a bus or train home after a good night out. No more tax money to pay the government idiots who thought up this insane proposal.

  • BobbyKotz - 2010-12-17 01:49

    Will never happen. Just some putz trying to catch a shine with a clever suggestion that can't be taken seriously. Just sounds soooo impressive. 0% indeed - dream on

  • MartinFord - 2010-12-17 02:46

    If they want to reduce drunk driving they need to improve public transport and reduce crime so that people don't use their cars when they go out. Unfortunately, as long as there is no easy alternative people will drive drunk no matter what ridiculous legislation they pass.

  • Sluggo - 2010-12-17 06:31

    "We need drastic legislation to combat alcohol abuse and to regulate the industry more strictly," Social Development Minister Bathabile Dlamini told reporters in Johannesburg. I LIKE this minister. He must get together with Patricia de Lille and together, come up with a plan to BAN ALCOHOL ADVERTISING and ensure that the following label is placed on cans and bottles of alcohol, in large, bold red print: "THIS LIQUID IS POISONOUS!"

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 10:41

      Having a glass of wine a day, won't kill you! Many Studies say that a glass of red wine a day is good for your heart. Broaden your horizen, things are not always black or white.

  • G_MAN - 2010-12-17 06:50

    A o tolerance ban will affect our GDP. What is wrong with having a glass of alchahol with your meal, I agree with Radrodent. no glass of wine with my meal, i might as stay at home, but a bottle of wine and enjoy a meal for much cheaper. I think they should focus more on getting rid of shebeens and smokkies, that do not have liquor licenses and people driving around with unlicensed or unroadworthied vehicles!

  • Peter - 2010-12-17 07:53

    Just another stupid comment from our bunch of idiots in government......What's new.

  • Craig - 2010-12-17 08:20

    Our STUPID government can't realise that none of these 'interventions' will ever work! The simple (or not so simple) solution is TRANSPORT!!! Only once people don't have to pay R12 p/km for a cab (because that is the ONLY option at night) and have other alternatives will the drinking and driving start to drop. I hardly go out because it costs me almost R300 just to get to and from the places I hang out and I don't do the drunken driving thing so yes, stay at home - cheaper and safer! Guess the government is going to have to put another intervention in place for jobs that will be lost in the hospitality industry!

  • SaintBruce - 2010-12-17 08:21

    Zero tolerance is only as good as the enforcement. Other countries simply revoke your licence if you are drunk driving ( ie: Australia and the UK) so you start the process again to get a driving licence is what I have been told. Seeing we have so many clearly untested drivers on the road what should the solution be? Arrest, Impounded vehicles, immediate jail ( we have 150 000 awaiting trial prisoners already choking the system) or maybe some portable car crushers at roadblocks - over the limit - Ok destroy the vehicle immediately! Revoke the licence for 5 years and change the behaviour of our motoring public! Radical - you bet it is. Why - the morons just don't listen and cannot be reasonable. Raise the loss factor to modify behaviour is the only way I believe will curb the carnage on our roads because our drivers just don't care! I see irresponsible uncaring stupid driving behaviour every day so current methods are NOT working. Tough Love I say.

  • Paul - 2010-12-17 08:31

    Please can someone just verify that these two idiots actually have the necessary qualifications to be in the positions that they currently occupy.

  • CofiDrinka - 2010-12-17 08:48

    As far as im concerned, Alcohol can be banned, why is almost everyone so apprehensive on this, how often do you see people dying, family abuse, family break ups due to alcohol????? Dont tell me that no one has gone through that. BAN Alcohol altogether.

      Linz-e - 2010-12-17 09:13

      Seriously???? By drinking ONE glass of wine with a meal?? You have serious issues!

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 10:54

      Back to early 90's. People will just start smuggling alccohol (bootlegging) is what it was known as back then, causing more crime and chaos. Besides that how is one or two drinks going to kill you?@ Cofidrinka

  • retiefc - 2010-12-17 09:04

    Please find out what demographic group is abusing alcohol and control them before we all have to pay. Also I think taxi drivers cause more accidents sober than any drunk driver could ever cause. Rather get the taxi's off the road and watch the accident levels decrease.

  • mlvanwyk63 - 2010-12-17 09:07

    Most recovered alcoholics (more likely to have driven drunk) will tell you that it took some huge life-changing event in their lives to stop drinking (and driving under the influence). REVOKE DRIVING LICENCES , as just being arrested and fined clearly is not effective anymore.

  • Linz-e - 2010-12-17 09:17

    Just another attempt by our government to make it seem as though they are actually doing some work - enforce idiotic, unnecessary laws to give the public the impression that they actually have work to do. Here's an idea....why not ban government officials ONLY from drinking on the job, so that they wouldn't come up with STUPID legislations such as this.

  • gettingout - 2010-12-17 09:34

    I find this shocking and excruciatingly frustrating!!!!! let's look at this. 1- public transport? where is it ? a failure on the various councils and their public transport departements mean that we have to pay exhorbatant taxi fares. So if i should go out to fourways and i reside in northcliff it will will cost me R 120-00 to get home thats one way! so R 240-00 just for transport! meal plus drinks lets say three or four R 300-00. JUSTIFIED ? NO. If the goverment wants to ban alchol advertising and reduce the drinking and driving saga then why not make sure that all alternative transport infrastructure is in place before you make it law. provide us with alternatives to drinking and driving like drink and be driven at a fee that all people can afford. if i may be so bold as to ask the following question? When will the the local goverments see to it that there is no corruption within the traffic departement. Lets face it you know and I know that many a bribe has been paid to these ruthless good for nothing traffic officers. Are we not giving them the extra power now? bribes will go up in price and officers are the ones to score here. I get a wiff of communism!! No bars to open and no restaurants to open? Get real people our govt does not know what they do.

  • Matthew Wilke - 2010-12-17 09:39

    While we are at it, lets make all our women wear burqas and we will stone adulterers to death on the Grand Parade in Cape Town.... You want to curb drinking? Stop morons like Joooliiii-uuss from making it look glamorous and the thing to do if you want money to the ignorant yooooouth! And follow through big time with the laws that already in place. close pubs at legal times and lock drunk driving muppets up! don't punish the rest of the population that knows how to behave.

  • Barry M - 2010-12-17 09:59

    This is so typical of these brain dead ANC politicians – it reminds me of the Prohibition in the US during the 1920’s. Prohibition was also practiced in Finland, Canada, Russia, Iceland, Norway and Hungary. It was a resounding Failure in all these countries. Does this woman not realise she is risking killing one of the geese that lays the golden tax eggs? Everything these ANC politicians have touched has turned to sh!t. Where will it all end? Can they not just admit that they are less than useless and can’t their “followers” catch a wakeup call and actually vote for a political party that can deliver? But then again, that would mean voting for the DA and that means voting for a white woman and that won’t do – this inverse racism as practiced by the blacks against the whites will be their downfall in the end.

      AgentM - 2010-12-17 10:19

      RE: Prohibition - that is exactly what went through my mind, and who benefitted from Prohibition? Politicians and mobsters... hmm. Making alcohol illegal will never work. Perhaps the only thing that will work is creating a culture of responsibility and accountability in SA society. That won't happen en masse, sadly, without our leaders leading by example.

  • Dingo - 2010-12-17 10:13

    Measure how the anti smoking laws have reduced the sales of smokes, then decide if this will work. Tobacco sales still climb, and all the money wasted on the anti smoking drive has done little. The same applies here. Ensure better policing, thats the only solution as most South Africans couldnt give a damn about laws.

  • BigMoose - 2010-12-17 10:57

    That should keep the majority of South Africans off the roads.

  • mlvanwyk63 - 2010-12-17 11:30

    Drugs vs alcohol. (for those oblivious souls in government). drugs - illegal,alcohol legal. No retail outlets/shopping hours for drugs as with alcohol. Control shebeens?? ha ha.Drugs are freely available like alcohol. It's an idiotic assumption that limiting/banning alcohol is the solution. If government cannot control narcotics to a certain degree, how so with alcohol? Get real people we live in S.A.!!

  • AllHoliday - 2010-12-17 11:33

    WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH! Before every election, they come up with these rediculous "new laws" - If you idiots can read - let me tell you what and where the real problem is: 1. We have no decent PUBLIC Transport = work on that, it is your responsibility. (Stop buying expensive cars for yourselves) 2. Do someting about the illegal shibeens in the townships, who sell to anybody at any time = if you have the guts! Once you have solved these two "little" problems, you can use our tax money to torment us with other bull - the way you want to go now is to again only penelise lawabiding citizens to make yourselves look good, without adressing the real issues.

  • Hamie74 - 2010-12-17 12:12

    The problem is not the booze. The problem of alcohol related violence and abuse is as a result of poverty, unemployment, lack of service delivery and infrastructure. Making available affordable, safe and reliable public tramsport may be a better option than punishing offenders who drive under the influence. After all the death sentence did not stop murder happening. People don't think that way. Stop being idealistic as it will never be an ideal world. The government needs to stop with the smoke and mirrors and deal with the REAL problems facing our soceity!

  • Hamie74 - 2010-12-17 12:20

    The booze or access to it is not the problem. Alcohol related violence and abuse is as a result of poverty, unemployment, lack of services and infrastructure and loss of hope. Providing safe, reliable public transport is a better option than punishment. After all the death penalty did not bring a halt to murder. People do not think that way. Forget the Idealism as it will never be an ideal world. The govt. needs to start adressing the REAL problems facing our society and stop with the smoke and mirrors.

  • IceBlaster - 2010-12-17 12:38

    Heres a list of what 0 alcohol will do: More sick people - since alot of MEDICINES contain alcohol. (Who can afford to not drive when sick, even with just a cough) No more fruit juices - since alcohol is naturally occuring in plants, normal glass of fresh orange juice can naturally contain up to 0.5% alcohol. Plenty of other NORMAL LEGAL PRODUCTS CONTAIN ALOCOHOL so therefor will have to be BAN. What a load. There are drunk drives now when the limit is 0.05 you think changing it will change people drunk driving already. This act is just as stupid as the GUNS act, more illegal guns instead of less. This stuff happens to all countries just before DICTATORSHIP.

  • carlisager - 2010-12-17 12:47

    All they actually need to do, is create a good public transport system, then drinking and driving will most likely become a non issue. Punishing the sports or hopsitality industries or the public is unlikely to do anything except dampen tourism, the economy and fill our jails (which are already overflowing)

  • Jacqui - 2010-12-17 14:57

    I am all for reducing the alcohol level to 0 for drivers but first improve the transport system so if folks go out to drink they have a cheaper way of getting home safely since metered taxis cost a fortune and buses/taxis are damn dangerous.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 15:18

      What is wrong with having one glass of wine with your supper. Medication also has alcohol. Certain energy supplements contain alcohol. The list goes on. This is the reason for our present alcohol limit! Why change it?

  • Werner - 2010-12-17 16:44

    I suggest that our government looks at what happened in the states during prohibition years ... which is practically what this is. People won't take you too seriously if you don't have a death sentence :) However, I do have SOME sympathy with people going out, drinking and doing the idiotic thing of driving home. If our public transport was a little safer, they wouldn't need to resort to doing that. Also, in this current socio-political climate .. people resort to drinking to feel a little better. Having said that, apparently Luxembourg is the world's largest consumer of alcohol per capita :D

  • Totman - 2010-12-29 10:00

    There is something else that all are missing. I saw a lot of people buying alcohol before a long trip. They drink while traveling. Maybe the driver does not, but at some point he gets tired and who reliefs him?....or the other, that are now on their own station, becomes impatient with his speed and forcibly takes over. I saw some of these cases ending up in a sad result. I do not know how we going to stop that. They usually let the person drive and than takes over when they knows that the possibility of cops are nearly zero.

  • Colin - 2011-03-10 17:05

    Zero alcohol, that would mean there would be no more taxi's on our roads as most of their driver's/owner's are never sober. Will bring down the road deaths drastically but put a lot of panel beaters out of business.

  • - 2011-03-10 17:57

    Public transport is not the answer to the problem,nor is cancelling licences that many drivers don't have. The most serious problems I have seen occur within the townships where anyone can buy a quart of beer within walking distance of their home at any time day or night, every day of the week. It is a common sight to see young children with wheelbarrows collecting crates of beer from shebeens to take home for their mothers to resell to neighbours. Once enough beer is drunk the bottles are broken to be used as weapons in the inevitable fights that ensue. Injuries caused by broken bottles are truely horrific. Reselling beer is often the familie's only source of income. The police regularly raid these women & the shebeens that supply them. We confiscate their small stock & it is destroyed and they are fined the maximum admission of guilt fine, just R100 - the price of a crate of quarts! It is not the fault of the police, the courts are just not interested in prosecuting these women. A huge amount of injury could be prevented if beer was only supplied in small tins, not bottles. Also the alcohol level of all our beers and ciders is very high - more than twice that in most European and American beers! Reduce the alcohol level of beer to under 2% and wine to under 5% and increase the price and people will not be able to afford to binge drink.

  • baryn.leach - 2011-07-12 09:57

    Just wait till any members of parliament or persons that are high up to be caught drunk and driving. Then we gonna see what happens. They are quick to say that drunk and driving is bad but they need to set and example and not allow people in parliament to get away with it.

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