Stats SA officials made mistakes

2013-01-27 10:25

Johannesburg - Two senior Stats SA officials are facing disciplinary action for allegedly refusing to correct errors in the census, City Press reported on Sunday.

A deputy director at Stats SA, Jairo Arrow, and a senior statistician, Marlize Pistorius, had apparently made mistakes that would have provided wrong figures of the census by province, as well as an incorrect national figure.

"The evidence is that the results they presented were totally wrong and there were methodological and computational errors in what they presented to me," statistician-general Pali Lehohla was quoted as saying.

He repeatedly asked them to find the problem and correct it.

"Ms Pistorius and Dr Arrow argued that the results they presented to me in July would not change," he said.

Disciplinary hearing

Arrow presented a written apology to Lehohla and went on early retirement last Friday after facing a disciplinary hearing for "dereliction of duty and gross incompetence".

Pistorius was also facing a disciplinary hearing, which would resume in February.

She was responsible for the post-enumeration survey. This is a second, smaller population count used to determine by how much the initial census results have to be adjusted.

University of Cape Town statisticians, Tom Moultrie and Rob Dorrington, had publicly raised concerns about the integrity of the post-enumeration survey and the reliability of the final count.

The census cost R3.4bn. The results are used to allocate about R350bn in government funds each year, City Press reported.

  • diran.pillay - 2013-01-27 10:36

    Someone is in big big trouble

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2013-01-27 10:40

    Incopetence has no colour, idiots just lied to the whole nation. Unbelievable.

      jimmy.kawa.1 - 2013-01-27 10:52

      you are right. incompetence is colour blind. but those that are of colour AND incompetent get away with it.

  • Justin - 2013-01-27 10:48

    Statistics are not an exact science, there is a degree of error. Besides does anybody believe the hogwash inflation basket published/compiled. We all wish general cpi was where is has been for the last 10 years - fiction - pressure cooked to keep govt funding costs down

      trailblazer2010 - 2013-01-27 11:02

      Justin it is said there was "methodology" error.

  • matthew.patrick.925 - 2013-01-27 10:49

    Not the 1st time Stats SA has made mistakes. Just look at the inflation rate.

  • - 2013-01-27 10:51

    They had put the white population in Mzanzi at 25 million.

      bless.boswell - 2013-01-27 11:01

      That's 5 times the national figure!!

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2013-01-27 11:07

      3 times

      Ronald - 2013-01-27 13:27

      No, 5 times. White population determined by census 2011 at 4,8 Million.

  • Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-01-27 11:03

    We put our country's trust in the hands of all forms of leadership positions, from the little guy down here to the big guy up there, there is a ladder of mis trust, lies, greed, theft, from the bottom of this ladder till the top. After all lies, greed, theft only one thing happens, the citizens of SA get upset and start "fighting the war if the words" with each other. They get upset with what the other one said and start calling each other names. If someone in a responsible position whether he or she is at the bottom if the ladder or on top as a president then that person must be held responsible for doing wrong to the SA citizen. Someone must always play with our future and make us get upset with each other, people that plays with our future must be held accountable for there actions. Tomorrow mr presidents turn

  • jeffrey.d.walker.9 - 2013-01-27 11:11

    A point in question in my mind, was what they put as the "average" white income/month. It's so far off base is laughable ! I wish, Eisch.

  • innodrake.maque - 2013-01-27 11:12

    this is not about colour.but if mistakes were there, that were surpose to be corrected before were dished to the public,so let them dance their jazz that they cause,

  • adrian.k.andrews - 2013-01-27 11:20

    Why do all apparently think the officials are white? There are many non-whites who have the exact same surnames... Unless u've seen them... If not, don't just assume.

      solo.mathe.5 - 2013-01-27 11:39

      Lol... White unless proven otherwise... This is news24... You don't get to change the rules cos it now suites your kind. Hypocrite much? - 2013-01-27 11:52

      Andrew phutsek k? close ur ass u dnt anythng to say

      Toni Krige McQuillen - 2013-01-27 12:00

      Skin colour shouldnt matter - if they are guilty they should be reprimanded. end of story.

  • winston.jan - 2013-01-27 11:24

    Typical government employees.........

  • celeste.delange1 - 2013-01-27 11:25

    Well I certainly did take part in the census. As a matter of fact, no one in the complex I lived in at the time was counted... so much for the stats!

      Irene Kambo - 2013-01-27 17:31

      What about all the stats that were erased and replaced quite openly with what they wanted to have on them

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2013-01-27 11:36

    A question I have, if he knew of the error, why did Pali Lehohla not point this out and show them the necessary correction? Just amazing!!

      Smart Peace - 2013-01-27 12:33

      if read well, he did but they refused to make the correction indicating it will not affect the results. What I'm not sure of is whether they did it out of racism or just in subordination

      herman.letlalo - 2013-01-27 17:34

      be serious andrew, has your boss ever pointed out an error and solve it for you, I mean when did you c that, they always leave me to my own devices

  • colleen.erasmus.7 - 2013-01-27 11:38

    Pass the buck, game!

  • John - 2013-01-27 11:46

    R700 per census form. What a waste of resources!

  • herbert.plessis - 2013-01-27 11:52

    Everybody should see how this sort of thing is rife in the military. For the same "procedural anomaly" white personnel members are dismissed, where the PDI gets "training" to avoid future "mishaps". I fondly remember the incident where the jet fighter pilot was told on the radio that he is not allowed to roll the Gripen past 20 degrees because a PDI member had forgotten a screwdriver in the cockpit and could not find it. Was very funny. disciplinary action: PDI was told to keep a tool register. White member put a wheel on the wrong way around, was fired for gross incompetence. This after he had to pull a 24 hour shift because another PDI arrived drunk at work.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-01-27 12:11

      I think I can beat that. After installing a tracking system at a governmental transport department a strange situation occurred. A few vehicles where found travelling a lot more than they should. After investigation it was discovered that these vehicles where used in transporting illegal substances. The matter was reported to the police. Nothing came of it but the transport manager (white) was suspended for not following procedure because it was supposed to be handled “internally” – draw your own conclusions. After about a year the ex manager just gave up. Not going into more detail but I have a few more stories like this to tell. It is not uncommon. Hell I have been told more than once straight to my face that the cANCer doesn't want any whites working in any governmental institutions.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-01-27 13:15

      mondli.botha : And that is the exact mentality we have in governmental structures. Now tell me Mondli, how can you tell and 18 year old white guy “You apartheid people don't deserve any training because you had an opportunity to train for many years”? He didn't know apartheid nor did he have anything to do with it. I’m so glad you said that. Now people will know it is the truth and it is what is said and done.

  • Edison Nyamayaro - 2013-01-27 12:05

    maths issues across the board

  • lee.brand.73 - 2013-01-27 12:10

    looks like the patsies are being taken out. What difference does their colour make? Nett result is that the nett result is wrong!

  • desmond.s.leaner - 2013-01-27 12:22

    Lol@fools here. One is white, one is black. And they get the same treatment...Racist!!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-01-27 12:38

      LOL you need to read between the lines Dez. One goes on retirement (black) leaving the other open for persecution (white). There is no doubt in my mind that it was planed like that. Make no mistake, these people are smart. They are not dumb by any measure... well at least when it suites them.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-01-27 12:42

      P.S. just for the sake of fairness I should add that there is another scenario. I have only seen a black man being persecuted for one reason and one reason alone, when he/she falls out of favor with management. Common example: Director employs his brother. Director leaves new director wants to employ his brother so gets rid of old directors brother or employee doesn't want to shear spoils (bribes, thieved money or stolen equipment) with boss. Those 2 are the most common scenarios.

  • stein.dewet - 2013-01-27 16:36

    Maar die hele bliksemse ANC ape is verkeerd in parlement!!!! Hoekom word hulle nie sommer toegesluit nie?

  • Samora Mdhluli - 2013-01-27 17:23

    the more you get paid ,the more you lie lyk this senior official ,fire them dan 2 waste more money 2 take them 2 court

  • musa.kamashobane - 2013-01-27 17:40

    These numbers were rushed, pressured to meet the deadline and to a certain extend they were political compromised. For me, what a waste public stunt

  • kobus.laubscher.3 - 2013-01-27 22:44

    Pity the journalist could not clearly state what the statistical error was. At least then we as readers can speculate more accurately. Can hardly imagine that the deputy director of stats SA, clearly with allot of experience and a senior statistician can make a mistake. Where as on the other hand?

  • luna.moon.5243817 - 2013-01-28 08:06

    the errors are not exactly a surprise!

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