Stop lying about lotto winnings - Gidani

2010-12-06 22:33

Johannesburg - Lotto players must stop trying to defraud the lottery system by claiming to have won when they have not, national lottery operator Gidani said on Monday.

"There has been a trend of players buying tickets using winning numbers from a previous draw and wanting to pass them (off) as legitimate," Gidani spokesperson Thembi Tulwana said in a statement.

In one instance last week, a woman working as a financial advisor with a big banking institution called Gidani’s head office in Midrand alleging a client had won R3.352m.

“This was an anomaly to us as the only payment points of any amount above R50 000 are the Gidani offices.”

Financial advisors were also only called in once a ticket had been validated as a winning one.

He said the festive season was financially demanding on people and thus tended to lure them into deception.

Attempting to pass off a non-winning ticket as valid was tantamount to fraud. The National Lottery's elaborate security system could not be cheated, she said.

  • thambomz - 2010-12-06 22:54

    Attempting to pass off a non-winning ticket as valid rather jinxes your chances of ever winning.

  • April - 2010-12-06 23:55

    Mmmm, why havn't I thought of that! Perhaps because the date is printed on the ticket numb sculls! What do you think they are just going to hand over the money without checking and then double checking. Bright Sparks!

  • phillie - 2010-12-07 00:09

    If they put big names in prison for fraud why not do the same for these fraudsters. It is because we assume that there is a difference between big and small fraud that the country is in the state it is.

      robertgunning - 2010-12-07 07:55

      What big names are in prison for fraud? As far as I recall, all big names even if convicted don't spend time in jail.

      Lynne Croukamp - 2010-12-07 15:17

      The only big names involved in fraud I know of, are in government......

  • Mr D - 2010-12-07 00:30

    What they should do is publish the winners name and photo dont give them an option. If you want to play and you win your name and photo goes in the news papers..To many wins but nobody knows who is winning, meaning the "winning" money is going into someones pockets. And U know who.....

      MR.SCEPTIC - 2010-12-07 02:40

      I AGREE 100% with you Mr D.!!!!--"To many wins but nobody knows who is winning, meaning the "winning" money is going into someones pockets. And U know who.....!!!"--How is it possible that in other States and Country's, the lotto rises to MANY MORE Millions and most times only got won once or twice A YEAR!??? Those Lotto's is also 49/6 number lotto's any MANY MANY MORE poeple are playing them?? THE SA LOTTO ARE DEFINITELY THE BIGGEST SCAM EVER!!---(It's the ANC-REGIME'S LARGEST MONEYMAKER!!!POINT!!!)

      wdvilliers - 2010-12-07 04:22

      Idiot, what will your life be worth if you win 50 million and people know who you are...

      nouveaudes - 2010-12-07 06:06

      I think it is time that the Lottery Board and competition should be investigated.. I have been following the trend of winners for a while now, and, it is so funny that when the powerball is ''Won"" the lotto follows the next day. And the winning numbers are always so bizarre.I can just imagine who the so called winners are.....remember there is a election coming next year,and money is needed. Amen

      grant9 - 2010-12-07 06:08

      I would want to keep it quiet, especially from my ex wife.

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 07:50

      I agree with WDVilliers and Nouveaudes. Only and IDIOT would want to be published in the paper to the entire country that they just won R50m. Secondly I also agree with Nouveaudes. I have, by using a set of mathematical equations, figured out that the SA LOTTO is cheating. I decided to start studying the patterns the first year after its inception. It has only gotten progressively more obvious. The SA LOTTO is cheating. It is mathematically proven.

      April - 2010-12-07 10:01

      LoL Green Goblin. I like that. Imagine all the friends and relatives that would come crawling out of the floor boards if it was published you had one the lotto. I would try and keep it very quite, howeverI would let my spouse in on the secret.

      alphias mhlongo - 2011-02-28 10:59

      ok guy's listen to this conspiracy theory! The lotto draw takes place an hour after the close of sales. All lotto machines are linked to one server so all that is needed is about 5 or 10 minutes to filter all the combinations to find the sequence with the lowest payout.i.e. find a combination that does not payout the the jackpot or even 5+. One can even buy a ticket with that combination seeing as the winning tickets (and winners) are never ever seen by the public.................... I stopped buying tickets for over a year now but decided to buy one cos' iy was my birthday.....and gues what when i checked the results i see that the lotto and lotto plus had the same 4 numbers repeated in both. THe chances of this happening is as rare as catching the lotto itself. I guess the system found this combination. Which makes sense because we all take the same combinations for lotto and lotto plus when we purchas our tickets. I dont know if any of this makes any sense to you but it sure makes sense to Alphiasm.

  • Xram62 - 2010-12-07 06:43

    The stupid way Gidani is doing these draws is now costing me R2,5 million per month on average. I can't afford this any longer. Scrap the Lotto.

      Donovan Banks Music - 2010-12-07 07:54

      Exaggeration is a MILLION times worse than fraud...

      robertgunning - 2010-12-07 07:58

      If you spend R2.5 million on lotto, you've got some really big issues.

  • AJ - 2010-12-07 07:15

    "It's easy, we just change the 3 to look like an 8 and then VOILA! We get the 5 million rand." "Brilliant, how come no-one else has thought of this before?" They walk among us...sigh..

      green_goblin - 2010-12-07 07:57


  • Phoenix - 2010-12-07 07:44

    I disagree with Mr. D. That would open the winner to people trying to scam them or steal from them of even kill them, depending on how violent people are willing to get, and I have heard of people killing each other over a R5 coin. So what do u think will happen to a lotto winner. However, it is time for the SA LOTTO to stop lying to the public about the way the LOTTO is RUN. There has been plenty of things happening in the background that the SA LOTTO wants to be kept quiet. LOL. Unbelievable. They have the audacity to tell the public to stop lying and scamming, when they do it themselves. Using mathematical equations, I can prove on how to cheat at the lotto, that meaning the SA LOTTO. I have not once in all my time that I have played the lotto since its inception, I have not won a single cent or rand from the lotto. The LOTTO is nothing but a bunch of crooks, trying to make money out of the public in a so called "legal" manner. Maybe they should trying Mathematical equations, and science and they will see what I am talking about. But then again, I don't think I need those now do I, SA LOTTO?

      Neil_Murray - 2010-12-07 08:58

      I'd like to know what formulas and equations you used to prove the Lotto are cheating. I spent 2 years trying to prove it was a scam. There's no discernable pattern that I could find. The patterns you "see" is you mind trying to put order into the chaos, which is an automatic response

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 09:50

      @Neil_Murray. I started with the same thought first as well. I also thought at first maybe it was my mind trying to create order from chaos. This may sound strange, but the answer came to me in the form of a dream. What is chaos. In your own words it sounds as if you are applying the Chaos theory, which by the way is a good explanation, but still lacks parts. As the Chaos theory explains that, Chaos theory is a field of study in mathematics, physics, economics, and philosophy studying the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. This sensitivity is popularly referred to as the butterfly effect. Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for chaotic systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general. Therefore in common usage the chaos you refer to would not apply here as much as believed. If you wish for me to explain the entire chaos theory to you I can, otherwise u can read up on it. The "chaos" u refer to is in fact not "chaos". There are patterns. Its finding the right elements to prove the patterns.

      Magoo - 2010-12-07 10:09

      Well, all you did with that "little" explanation was to confuse everyone including yorself, I suspect. What is the saying: "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh1t!". You did not even answer Neil's question. If you can prove that SA LOTTO is cheating it's subscribers then prove it. You'll have a lynch-mob of roughly 45million citizens to rectify the problem!!!

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 10:27

      @Magoo. I have already sent my findings to them and the Newspaper, but I suspect that they have just squashed it and/or very well tossed it out the window. They are at present just ignoring me. But that does not phase me, I released my findings to the DA. Maybe if they can follow up on it like all the other things they do follow up, u will see it in the papers or on Facebook, and a list of other places. However, I did not confuse myself. Maybe u are confused. Neil was stipulating that there was too much chaos in the SA Lotto. I merely proved with that piece that the Chaos Theory cannot apply in what he referred to as a chaos.

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 10:27

      However there are a couple of other theories that can apply to the SA Lotto and the way things are being done there.

  • NO-BULL - 2010-12-07 07:55

    I did the maths a couple of years ago when the lotto just started and calculated it would cost around 2.6m to play every single combination out there. Time to fill in all the tickets and the time it would need to process all of them aside, it would be a sure win. Spend 2.6m to win 7m. Awesome idea... Just two problems... First, getting the 2.6m in the first place and hoping and praying that someone else doesn't win with you and share your cash... :P

      Graydon - 2010-12-07 08:30

      Dude... in a 49-ball game, there are just under 14 million combinations. Gonna cost you a bit more than R2.6mil. And here's another thing... if you played every single combination, you are no longer playing a game of chance, so your winnings would be taxed (at roughly 40%). AND you don't get a deduction for your ticket costs. Thanks Govt.

      Nebkad - 2010-12-07 09:17

      @NO-BULL However you might have done your "calculation" you definitely got it wrong! 6 combinations out of 49 is 13983816. That is 49!/((49-6)! * 6!), the ! is the n! button on your calculator called factorial. So 13983816 * R2.5= R34959540, i.e R35 million!! ( the R2.50 is the ticket price an Lotto's inception, I think). Or R48943356 = R49mil if you use the current R3.50. So just how did you do you calculations?

      Nebkad - 2010-12-07 09:21

      @Graydon Meneses You say " your winnings would be taxed (at roughly 40%)." Where did you get this information, I mean that lotto winnings are taxable in this country? As far as I know the tax-man considers lotto as a game of chance pure PERIOD! Please provide more information, if you don't mind?

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 09:59

      @Nebkad. Although he may have calculated it a little wrong, he is still right in principle. I have worked it out that the SA Lotto is cheating. There is a discernible pattern, if u know what to look for and where to look for it.

      siren703 - 2010-12-07 10:55

      @ Nebkad lotto winnings are tax free

  • Orosman - 2010-12-07 08:07

    Lotto is gambling so if someone tried to pass off a "so called winning ticket" then they are taking a gamble or is that skelm. On a more serious note the people that take the numbers after the horse has bolted is down right stupid if they think it would work.

  • Angel~Eyes - 2010-12-07 08:22

    Some people are a joke..

  • Leonie - 2010-12-07 08:29

    I really wonder whether this whole lottery thing is not just one big scam by itself

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 08:43

      IT IS. I mathematically proved it.

  • Leonie - 2010-12-07 08:31

    I woonder if this whole lotto thing is not a big scam by itself....

  • croix - 2010-12-07 09:25


  • Valkerie - 2010-12-07 09:55

    Why is this even news? It's happened quite often in the past. Players don't understand the rules, read dates wrong, get the winning numbers print-out etc. And yes, you'll have your chancers. The Lotto system has been designed with many checks and failsafes. Just laugh and send them on their merry ways. Really now, why is this news at all?

  • Rick - 2010-12-07 10:02

    The lottery is a fraud.

      Phoenix - 2010-12-07 10:29

      Yes, I agree.

  • - 2010-12-07 10:26

    How could you win when we know who and when the winning numbers are to be done. just another day in Africa corrupt and wild eeeeish. never mind the dates and codes dummy.

  • yeldarb - 2010-12-07 11:59

    lotto is easy. Ive won it twice and now going for my third and it does not cost much

  • Made_In_SA - 2010-12-07 13:13

    There is NO cure for stupidity!!

  • Beetroot - 2012-01-13 07:54

    stupid people dont realise they up against intelligence!

  • tim.singiswa - 2013-01-31 07:59

    they must also not move fromone operator to the other with the same ticket after the first operator paid them then hand the ticket back to them then run to another operator to claim for what they have already been paid...

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