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Storm over new open mosque in Cape Town

2014-09-15 12:29

Cape Town - A planned open mosque, which will be gender-equal and welcome non-Muslims, is causing a storm in Cape Town, according to reports.

The Cape Times reported on Monday that the Open Mosque is due to open in Wynberg on Friday, despite fierce criticism from parts of the local Muslim community.

Its founder, Cape Town-born academic Dr Taj Hargey, is a professor at the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford in the UK.

He told the newspaper that it is time for a "religious revolution" in the province, and the new mosque will be gender-equal, interracial and non-aligned - meaning Sunni and Shia Muslims can attend the same service.

The Islam preached in the mosque will be enlightened, erudite and egalitarian, he said. Women will be allowed to lead prayers, and gay people and non-Muslims will reportedly be welcome.

'Heretic'

However, members of the Cape Town Muslim community have taken to social media to criticise the new mosque, with some labelling him a "heretic" or "non-believer".

The Muslim Judicial Council (MJC) will have no authority over the mosque. Its deputy president, Riad Fataar, told the Voice of the Cape (VOC) radio station that the MJC is investigating the new mosque and has noted concerns raised by the community. He added that he would call it a place of worship and not a mosque.

"Anything that goes against our deen [faith]... will be in total condemnation from the Muslim Judicial Council," Fataar told VOC.

Hargey has threatened to take action against those spreading lies about the mosque, adding that the MJC does not want to be challenged on the theological monopoly it has, according to the Cape Times report.

The Voice of the Cape reported that a local advocacy group, The Inner Circle, which raises awareness about homophobia in the Muslim community, has been subjected to threats and intimidation after rumours spread that it was associated with the new mosque.

Rashied Omar, the imam of the Claremont Main Road Mosque, told News24 that there was a lot of confusion in the community about the new mosque, and not enough information about it at this stage. He declined to comment further.

Comments
  • Enig Ma - 2014-09-15 12:31

    FANTASTIC. Huge advance. Islam finally evolving!!! RESPECT!!!!!!

      Made-In SA - 2014-09-15 12:34

      I guess they wont be inviting ISIS.

      Enig Ma - 2014-09-15 12:38

      Cannot wait to visit. I have been refused entrance to mosques in both Zanzibar ( Stone Town ) and Khoja Shia Ithnaasheri Jamaat in Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania before, as I was deemed to be "unclean" I am visiting this mosque asap, in good faith only!!!

      Yvonne Pietersen - 2014-09-15 13:05

      A positive move, well done. I heard the talk on 702, apparently nowhere in the kuhran does it demand men have beards and women close up.

      Bradley Kecskes - 2014-09-15 13:30

      Ok fine...you do not want a mosque you arrogant few...then no churches! nothing affiliated with religion, it is only fair.

      Andre Jacobs - 2014-09-15 13:42

      The problem with ease lam is that it states that infidels must be destroyed for ease lam. So that means the presidents life is in dang er where they are present. So it must be an illegal organization and must be banned from SA.

      James Dowden - 2014-09-15 14:09

      So why did they deem you unclean...

      Dawood Bawa - 2014-09-15 14:46

      wrong mosques you going to.....choose the correct ones...you most welcome to visits our mosques in Johannesburg.... no one will turn u away.,

  • Jenny Anderson - 2014-09-15 12:31

    Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Enig Ma - 2014-09-15 13:34

      Gerrit, I am a devout atheist, as devout as they come! I do not suffer ignorant cult followers from any religion.

  • Beastley - 2014-09-15 12:34

    Never did quite understand how any practice, of the religious kind, that excludes people can be deemed to have been born from "a higher power". Only Man creates exclusive clubs, a Higher Power, supposedly having given life would include all. But lets have a fight over some concrete structure ...

      etienneenanneline.gouws - 2014-09-15 13:12

      Man made rules! ;)

      Moos Liem - 2014-09-15 14:39

      Every week there are several local africans, Somalians, Nigerians, etc, and a few white people in the Friday prayers. So whats the big deal with the multi-racial comment? On many occasions an interested non-muslim comes along to observe the prayers and lecture as well. I have never seen anyone being questioned at any mosque about their sexual orientation and asked to leave? Yes, Islam is against homosexuality, but no one has been attacked or expelled from a mosque for this. There is a seperate section for men and women in all mosques so how are women being excluded? The only thing that is supposedly revolutionary is allowing women to pray in the same area as men.But this is just asking for trouble. Imagine standing in a row shoulder to shoulder with women on either side? Or prostrating and a woman prostrating right in front of you. I leave the rest to your imagination. Dr Hargey is making false statements to create the impression that cape town mosques are exclusive and intollerant. I challenge any non-muslim to arrive at this Fridays prayers at any cape town masjid(especially women), say you are interested in participating and see if you will be turned away.

  • Brad Smith - 2014-09-15 12:36

    More Muslim tolerance, I see.

  • Winston Whitehead - 2014-09-15 12:40

    Respect to Them evolving

  • Michael du Plessis - 2014-09-15 12:42

    Hypocrits

  • Thabisi Hoeane - 2014-09-15 12:42

    What does this mean exactly worship" ...will be interracial"? Does it mean that the convention in Mosque's is that people worship on a "racial basis"? Can somebody please clarify this!

      Rayzor Wire - 2014-09-15 13:00

      dats a load of BS. Muslims are of all races from the beginning of Islam. There are European, Africa and Asian Muslims all around the world including South African, so I would like to know what inter racial he is referring to

  • Alan Robertson - 2014-09-15 12:44

    This sounds like islam. God will bless this open mosque. ..

  • Alan Robertson - 2014-09-15 12:44

    True islam

  • Us3rname - 2014-09-15 12:46

    Do they expect this mosque not to be bombed by radicals?

  • Francesco Aglioti - 2014-09-15 12:51

    Haw des is nice well done Dr

  • Web Perfect - 2014-09-15 12:51

    Please excuse all the puns - but Watch Cape Town explode with intolerance. You can already hear the rumblings of intolerance within their community. Any bets that there will be explosive repercussions - in both senses of the word!!

  • Nicolas Broodryk - 2014-09-15 12:57

    Any muslim who stands in opposition to this mosque does not have a place in our democracy. Radical Islam is the unfortunate but inevitable symptom we have to suffer when society gives Islam preferential treatment and the Western Cape Government has given plenty. If Islam is the "religion of peace" that it's practitioners claim, then this mosque will test the truth in that claim.

      Sterling Ferguson - 2014-09-15 13:25

      The Muslims religion has never been a religion of peace since it was founded the same way the Christians were not a religion of peace.

  • Bradley Schultz - 2014-09-15 12:59

    What's the betting odds on it being bombed?

      Sunette Smit - 2014-09-15 13:03

      1 million to 1

  • Alex Bax - 2014-09-15 13:09

    One small and brave step for man one large and significant leap for Islam

  • Samantha Neves - 2014-09-15 13:11

    I'm suprised not many comentors here are moozlim. Let's here what the moozlimz have to say.

  • rushdi.toefy - 2014-09-15 13:11

    Finally out of the Stone Age

      Stephen Townshend - 2014-09-15 14:50

      Not quite. Only when entire societies are truly secular will they be out of the Stone Age. Religions are a large part of what's keeping us there.

  • Nawhal Majiet-Armien - 2014-09-15 13:12

    I THOUGHT THE PROPHET LOT (LUT IN ISLAAM) WAS ONE OF THE CHRISTIAN PROPHETS, AS IN ISLAAM WE UNDERSTOOD THAT ONE SHALT NOT PRACTICE SODOMY, THE PROPHET WAS ADAMANT ABOUT THAT, HE LOST HIS WIFE( TURNED TO A PILLAR OF SALT) FOR HER BELIEFS

      Sunette Smit - 2014-09-15 13:14

      I'd like to turn you into a pillar of salt for typing that rubbish in CAPS.

      Enig Ma - 2014-09-15 13:18

      Yip, the turtle in the sky turned her into some kind of salt pillar, but most certainly not because she was "guilty" of any form of sodomy. The loving, peaceful god turned her into a pillar because she dared to look behind her! Apparantly looking behind you is a terrible sin!

      Leigh-Rose Jenkins - 2014-09-15 13:31

      Shame Bob, best you get back to your buybull... your intolerance and ignorance is starting to show.

      Web Perfect - 2014-09-15 13:37

      And you were there to witness that PILLAR OF SALT. How backward can you get.

      Sunette Smit - 2014-09-15 13:44

      LOL ^^ this comment will self destruct in 1 minute.

  • Dewald Jonker - 2014-09-15 13:21

    hope this mosque doesnt wake me up at 5AM like the other one in wynberg does

      Bob Van Wilder - 2014-09-15 13:27

      play metallica in reply to that gibberish

  • Amina Badat - 2014-09-15 13:24

    Its sad to read the comments that many of you are making about Islam evolving.It will come as a surprise to many of you that Islam is one of the religions that has been practising things for ages ,things that have only been scientifically proven in recent years.I have no clue why we are all bashing each others religious beliefs,we should all just respect each other and respect the fact that some things like homosexuals and free-mixing between the opposite gender in Islam is not permitted.And trust me,like everything a muslim does,there are good reasons for that also.

      Berthold Willemse - 2014-09-15 13:37

      Things like what exactly? Circumcision and fasting was practised by the Ancient Egyptians and other cultures millenia before the advent of Islam. I can go on all day about these "supposed" Islamic scientific miracles. All religions took concepts from older religions/cultures.

      ian.r.mcnee - 2014-09-15 13:44

      ISIS is a good reason?

  • Bradley Kecskes - 2014-09-15 13:30

    Ok fine...you do not want a mosque you arrogant few...then no churches! nothing affiliated with religion, it is only fair.

      Bob Van Wilder - 2014-09-15 13:33

      buddy do you know what is going on in the world? islam doesn't want freedom for people. google islam ruled countries - they execute everybody - including you if you come with that no religion nonsense. this is far beyond just one mosque - this is a stand against oppression.

      Theo Martinez - 2014-09-15 13:39

      Mr Bob, ur memory is very shortlived. History has conquerors of all kinds using all types of religion to kill and slave other people. From the Conquestitadores in Latin America, to Hitler using Christianity to explain his invasion of the Soviet Union, to Apartheid SA finding "solace" in church for its insanity, to Bush Jr finding "guidance" in the bible to start bombing, to all those M.East Muslim states using Islam to enslave women,.... and the list goes on till eternity.

      Bob Van Wilder - 2014-09-15 14:05

      did you mofos live 2000 years ago? because i don't. i live in the real world which is now. now - where the crusades are long gone. no religion can chop a head off - today there is no excuse - and do tell me in what PRESENT DAY countries do people get their asses handed to them on a daily basis? can a humpty dumpty like you comprehend the present world? maybe you should stop playing world of warcraft and go try to get some - you know wake your senses to the world which surrounds you at this point buddyboy.

  • Theo Martinez - 2014-09-15 13:30

    the ISIS and Al Quada supporters in the CApe must be going bezerk

  • Theo Martinez - 2014-09-15 13:31

    dear Enigma, if they refuse du access to some mosques cuz u were "unclean" you should give the presidential hotline a ring as JZ knows all about shower power.

  • Deon Pretorius - 2014-09-15 13:38

    They will more than likely have some world class speakers to call the flowers to pair. There goes the property values.

  • Beicime Olfsun - 2014-09-15 13:41

    I support this approach to religion including in my religion.

  • Zahir - 2014-09-15 13:42

    Not enough info is known at this stage to condemn the mosque and followers

      Bob Van Wilder - 2014-09-15 13:51

      it is probably the only mosque that you can't condemn, this guy obviously saw the storm isis created in the view of islam. smart man, but hey wena, his brothers frown upon the infidels - biggest infidel being the one who covers his face when he beheads an innocent man.

  • Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2014-09-15 13:44

    Tolerance or intolerance? I know what I think

  • Everton Bouwer - 2014-09-15 13:47

    I've always wanted to see the inside of a Mosque.I hope its a spectacular design with lots of old school Islamic architecture and fancy ornamental finishes!Say what you want about Islam,they build amazing mosques that dazzle the eyes.

  • arthur.motsamai - 2014-09-15 13:58

    Wait till this Islamist bomb you,

  • Ben Jaycee - 2014-09-15 14:00

    Here comes another egalitarian ISIS in Mzansi

  • Prince EA - 2014-09-15 14:04

    Boko Haram live in SA.

  • Moos Liem - 2014-09-15 14:04

    Every week there are several local africans, Somalians, Nigerians, etc, and a few white people in the Friday prayers. So whats the big deal with the multi-racial comment? On many occasions an interested non-muslim comes along to observe the prayers and lecture as well. I have never seen anyone being questioned at any mosque about their sexual orientation and asked to leave? Yes, Islam is against homosexuality, but no one has been attacked or expelled from a mosque for this. There is a seperate section for men and women in all mosques so how are women being excluded? The only thing that is supposedly revolutionary is allowing women to pray in the same area as men.But this is just asking for trouble. Imagine standing in a row shoulder to shoulder with women on either side? Or prostrating and a woman prostrating right in front of you. I leave the rest to your imagination. Dr Hargey is making false statements to create the impression that cape town mosques are exclusive and intollerant. I challenge any non-muslim to arrive at this Fridays prayers at any cape town masjid(especially women), say you are interested in participating and see if you will be turned away.

      Moos Liem - 2014-09-15 14:21

      @TheOverview: As a man with the natural inclination between men and women it would be difficult yes. If you are honest with yourself (assuming you are a male too) it would be challenging for you as well. Visit a mosque and see how we pray. We literally stand tight against each other in rows, shoulders touching, regardless of race.

      Enig Ma - 2014-09-15 14:23

      Come on Moos, that is sexist, probably illegal and definitely not acceptable, like the burqa etc! Get a life!!!

      Moos Liem - 2014-09-15 14:26

      @Enig Ma: What exactly is sexist, illegal and not acceptable?

  • Justin Kemp - 2014-09-15 14:12

    Once again, religious fundemantalists prooving that they arent the most tollerent bunch. Its thne moderates fault for letting things get like this!

  • Justin Kemp - 2014-09-15 14:13

    Once again, the religios fundamentilists prooving that they arent the most peace loving tollerant bunch. Its the moderates fault for npt condemming the extremists

  • Fortunate Mbizi - 2014-09-15 14:22

    In the name of Jesus Christ the son of God, Alpha & Omega amen.

      Dick Fred - 2014-09-15 14:27

      You are mistaken ...this is unfortunate.All the comments here are so sad bashing islam seems to be the new norm on social media....

  • Anthony De Lucchi - 2014-09-15 14:36

    ...This is just attention seeking, this guy has not got the authority to actively change the form of worship of Islam itself. He may be able to open a forum, but not a mosque....unless he plans on starting a whole new sect of Islam, he is in for a torrid time!

      Sunette Smit - 2014-09-15 14:38

      He's in for a bombing or decapitation if you ask me.

  • Marc-Andre Daniels - 2014-09-15 14:36

    What a bold and brave move! SA could really lead the way in a revolutionary direction for Islam -- if they can withstand the ignorance and intolerance, from both within and without!

  • Ismail Vally - 2014-09-15 14:41

    look up in the sky you will see the sun and the moon doing their jobs everyday.look at your children that come out in perfect form from their mothers.look at all the signs and the system of nature and the beauty of the world.the same god that is in control of our daily lives is going to be the one to take us to task.we all are going to die oneday.be not fooled by those who deceive!!every man will stand on their own that day.truth will be truth,wrong will be wrong! BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT,EVERY MAN HAS CHOICE BUT REMEMBER CRITICISM AND DECPTION WONT TAKE YOU NOWHERE.THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!!

      RuudAwakener - 2014-09-15 14:45

      ismail.vally: you mean as long as the truth is the version you subscribe to? Because for every sect that claims to know the truth, there's another that says it doesn't.

  • Wheaty Bix - 2014-09-15 14:56

    Taj doesn't even sound muslim. We are sunni, he is ahmediya. Why can't he leave us alone? Or go and annoy a jehovas witness or something

      joannekc1 - 2014-09-15 15:21

      Is Cape Town for Sunni only? How inclusive of you....

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