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Striking miners clash with cops

2012-10-14 07:54

Johannesburg - Sacked and striking Anglo America Platinum mine workers petrol burned a police vehicle during an overnight protest near the firm's South Africa operation in Rustenburg, police said on Saturday.

A group of about 1 000 miners marched on Anglo's Khomanani shaft, before clashing with the police who tried to disperse them.

"The group resisted and we had to use teargas and rubber bullets to disperse them," said police spokesperson Thulani Ngubane.

"They retaliated with petrol bombs and set alight a police vehicle," he said.

Four people were arrested after the clashes, and will appear in court on Monday.

Ngubane said the workers intended to burn down the mine installations.

About 12 000 miners were last week sacked by the company after embarking on an illegal strike over pay increases.

They have ignored the dismissals and vowed not to let up on the strike.

On Friday the firm announced that it had lost $126m in revenues due to the month-long illegal strike.

Work stoppages in the continent's economic powerhouse started in August with workers downing tools at Lonmin platinum mine.

Since then, more than 50 people have been killed in rolling strikes that have frequently turned violent, including clashes with police.

Comments
  • lownabester - 2012-10-14 07:56

    When will they ever learn????

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-10-14 09:56

      What is wrong with these fools???? Why destroy property when you are striking???? Scr3w these miners and their barbaric behavior,bloody animals! They should all be fired and replaced with humane people.

      john.smit.121772 - 2012-10-14 10:44

      If they act like barbarics, treat them like barbarics. Do they still wonder why they are the subjects of racial discrimination?

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-10-14 11:08

      Eskom CEO Jacob Maroga got R416 000 a month and the workers they got very little, why did they not strike

      tc.convulvulous - 2012-10-14 13:01

      Agreed.. bring the real guns! Bring orderto this crumbling country!

  • buwaz - 2012-10-14 08:17

    The same police van they burnt is the one that suppose to serve them after the strike,they must never complain when they need police only to b serve after 3 hours bcoz they burnt the car suppose to serve them

  • philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 08:23

    @ lownabester , what do you expect them to 'learn' ? These people work hard for peanuts. They have nothing to lose. I condemn the violence but it will not end until they are paid a fair wage. If it is not possible to pay men a fair wage for hard and dangerous work then quite clearly SA Mining operations are either too inneficient or they are just unsustainable. Similar arguments apply across the board in SA. Manual labourers and many technical workers are severely underpaid. South Africans will have to get used to paying real-world wages ...and real-world prices.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 08:56

      oneway.castle , it is still hard and dangerous work. When will people like you realise we are not in the 1800's. They are NOT earning 12000. As far as I am aware the average Mining wage is closer to R5000 . This is slave labour. I am actually suprised that South Africans show their pig-ignorance by even arguing this point. The FACT of the matter is that SA IS the most inequal society in the world. That is a fact which cannot be argued.

      lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-10-14 08:59

      Philip, I agree. Mechanise the mines so that nobody has to work like slaves underground. Above ground nobody will have work either.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 09:08

      @lara. You have a bit to learn about Mining I see. Mechanisation does NOT do away with all jobs. What it DOES (in the real and competitive world) is to make Mining more efficient ...mostly leading to expansion and MORE jobs. Its called an UPward spiral. Labour intensive Mines can only work if they pay slave labour ....but even a blind man (South African excluded) can see that this CANNOT last. Workers rebel , demand high wages and the Mine closes. A DOWNward spiral. How South African!

      Erna - 2012-10-14 09:10

      Firstly: they are not causing this mayhem for a 'fair' wage - they are demanding far more than a fair wage. Secondly: even if they succeeded and got this money, it will still not be enough - they will continue living in shacks, have even bigger families, drink more etc., and repeat the process next year. Thirdly: they must be taught that this type of violent behaviour is unacceptable. Fourthly: it is a fact of life that there is a difference between the classes. If you give in to the miners, the next group of people to go on strike will be the teachers, doctors, civil servants, etc because miners are paid more than them.

      alf.pop - 2012-10-14 09:15

      Compare production with wages in South Africa and you will find that we have one of the most exopensive workforces in the world! Plus every so-called industrial action is accompanied by violence and destruction! No wonder potential investors are looking for greener pastures! Their demands are ridiculous and their behaviour outrageous! should these hooligans be rewarded for that?

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 09:16

      Erna ...do a Google on the "GINI" coefficient ..then ask yourself why South Africa has the WORST GINI coefficient in the world. We are the most inequal society on this planet ....FACT. Largely (almost entirely) due to slave wages for the Labouring and skilled worker categories. You need to get out more. One thing that inexplicably gives me some comfort ...is that these supposedly illeducated Miners are going to make things very very tough for the smartasses who earn twenty times as much as they do ...yet refuse them the right to earn a living wage.

      Erna - 2012-10-14 09:46

      Philip - believe you me I know all about SA being one of the most unequal societies in the world, and we all know why. However, I still stand behind my comment above - there is a huge difference between a 'living' wage for miners, and what they are demanding. There are lots of facts to be considered, one of the most important being the snowball effect on other sectors should they get their way. And by the way, I don't have to 'go out' to know what is going on!

      melanie.declercq.16 - 2012-10-14 09:52

      Well you need to learn a lot about mining also, and economics, and business, etc... I'm not SA, I come from a family of foreign investors. The so called evil white imperialists. So let me give you my opinion of what will happen. Striking miners might get a higher wage less, but most likely it's value will be the same or less than before. Why?: 1. Due to the large amount of strikers it became clear to shareholders that there are too many people working in those mines. If you compare efficiency towards Canadian mines, in SA there work 10 times as much people to do the same work. So it is a better idea to implement more automation, and reduce the workforce. This will also reduce the risk of these wild massive strikes in future. 2. Strikers should not be armed. The images we see here of strikers in SA are men dancing and screaming armed with spears and machetes. At first i thought it was a scene of 1994, the Interahamwe Rwandan Hutu militia starting the genocide. This will not attract more investment. 3. Due to these strikes platinum prices sky rocketed on futures market. The plants are making large losses due to fact that production lays still that's correct. The result of that will be less profit sharing for all employees. Now this does not necessarily mean that all shareholders are losing money because we hedge our positions by taking the opposite site of the trade on the futures markets and by taking shorting positions on the Rand.

      rodney.green.9406 - 2012-10-14 09:59

      Your statements are replete with falsifications and contradictions.People with your mindset have wreaked havoc all across the African continent. Do you have a large poster of RGM on your bedroom wall?

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 10:04

      @erna ...you are living in a fantasy world. If you still dont understand it ...wait a bit , these Miners that you seem to have so much contempt for will make you understand.

      melanie.declercq.16 - 2012-10-14 10:18

      4. A country with a government that does almost nothing to stop violent strikes will for sure scare international investment away. And companies that need platinum to use in their products will start to search for alternatives. 5. The value of the Rand is and will most likely keep decreasing. As a result prices will most likely increase not only for the striking miners but for the whole SA population. And those "higher" wages which will be seen as a victory to the striking violent miners at first will bring tears to many months away from here. Layoffs and unemployment will be expected to rise. 6. It is not the evil West that creates poverty in SA. Most poverty these days and for the years to come is created by overpopulation. Good Luck

      amanda.joubert.5 - 2012-10-14 11:15

      Philip, You compare apples with pears - My friend is working on the mines in Australia. You cannot compare Australia with South Africa. We have to pay $480 000 for a ordinary house - if you multiply it it is R4.1 million and you can buy a house in South Africa for R1.5. Big different. You have no idea what you talking about.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 11:37

      jamba , one can say (and it has been) that child prostitutes are no "forced" to do that work either. This is not 1812 Jamba. People doing hard work deserve to be paid well.

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-14 12:14

      philip.harris.967. This is rich coming from a guy/girl who doesn't even know why SA's gini coefficient is so high. What is that saying again? In the land of the blind...one-eye is king. Truly a sad case of dementia. Well, on the bright side, at least he/she can Google. Understanding what he has Googled...that is a completely different story.

      Cameron - 2012-10-14 12:25

      Government paid nurses only go home with like R7000 a month...i know...my mom is one! And they have to study for a number of years before becoming a nurse! Police only get like R6500 a month..... and you want these miners to get more than them...i dont think so tjoma...

      Erna - 2012-10-14 12:43

      Philip I do not have contempt for the miners, but for their behaviour! That's it from me - by the responses it seems you're on your own here.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-14 13:25

      The result will be a Zimbabwean style meltdown and 75% unemployment. Real world wages are paid to people who are largely literate and numerate as well as experienced in the use of electricty and the machines and appliances that depend on electricity. It is clear that you aren't an economics gradute. As an example when I resided in Switzerland there were university graduates working as menial staff in hotels where good english was a requirement (they all spoke read and wrote 4 international languages). Similarly in the USA where I met barmaids with masters degrees. In South Africa I am beseiged with job seekers who cannot write out a CV in correct english, have almost no computer skills and who have grown up without the benefit of electricity. The question is would they get employment in Europe? I doubt it. The same might also be said of our captains of commerce and industry they would also struggle to find employment at a similar level. Perhaps the answer is to reduce the wages of those captains of industry along with the useless politicians in all levels of Government.

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-14 14:17

      @philip.harris.967 They are earning between R5000 and R10000 per month. By your standards, nearly all people in South Africa are slave labor. So, maybe we should increase all salaries so that we all earn a gazillion zim dollars. Only problem is a bread will then cost 10 gazillion zim dollars You must have flunked economics 001 (not even talking about 101)

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-14 08:37

    As a taxpayer I pay for that police vehicle and I pay for the policeman's salaries. I expect these assets to be protected. Shoot and kill these hooligan miners.

  • Anthony - 2012-10-14 08:38

    Just loving the black on black voilence. Africa at it,s finest

      ftakalani - 2012-10-14 08:49

      Shame on u Anthony u could be better than that. U jst dnt knw tht this thng wil affect u indirectly

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 08:51

      The problem is Anthony ...it will not remain the 'black on black' violence that you are clearly enjoying. Plus , at the very best , these wage increases (that WILL be met) will not just limit themselves to the Mining sector they will be across the board ....trucdrivers have already had a big increase. That will meant that ALL of use pay more for everything labout intensive. Just wait until the Farmworkers demand their living wages. Off course , at its worse ...this situation could turn into mass unrest, rioting and murder.

      peter.g.sibuyi - 2012-10-14 08:55

      Violent is crime no matter how u look at it. Hope one day u will experience it then u will share whether is black or white. I don't condone violent behavior even if is black or white

      Saul Shauleen Mukwewa - 2012-10-14 09:03

      @Antony 1 day is 1 day!

      jayjay.mlungu - 2012-10-14 10:20

      Anthony you are a sick ignorant puppy

      justice.mokotjo - 2012-10-14 13:52

      Watch out anthony they are coming for you...

      emilyjane.elson - 2012-10-14 17:38

      Peter: wishing violence on somebody? Wtf is wrong with you?? I wouldn't wish it in my worst enemy. It HAS happened to me and believe me I wouldn't want anybody to go through it.. Come on man!!

  • peter.g.sibuyi - 2012-10-14 08:48

    Guess what? All the miners will go back to work smiling, because the Greedy mine owners will accede to their demand \ a decent wage\. Their only hope is that mine workers will volunteerly return to work when they r hungry. But u have no choice, u pay them or u close down

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-10-14 09:23

      Or you get the police to do their jobs and arrest them really hard to protest inside a prison cell.

      rodney.green.9406 - 2012-10-14 10:22

      Hunger etcetera versus fear etcetera.It would be interesting to speculate how the late Abram Maslow would analyse the situation.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-14 08:53

    Give them the only thing they will understand, shambuck. Including and especially the arrogant union leaders. This waste and destruction is unnecessary.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 09:01

      douglas you are a dinosaur. More violence is not the answer ...have you learned NOTHING from apartheid?

      douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-14 09:13

      Phillip, these people are dinosaurs, the don't understand civil dialogue, they understand force, they destroy, kill etc and expect to be treated kindly. Fight fire with fire, that's the message they will understand.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 09:24

      douglas , you CANNOT win this fight with more violence. These people are paid peanuts in comparison to the real world. You cannot keep people in virtual slavery forever. The toothpaste is now out of the tube and we need solutions that do NOT involve shooting people. If the majority of South Africans think like you ...then god help you.

      achaava - 2012-10-14 09:31

      if u treat em like dogs...then dont be suprised that thier gona act like pack and bite u...ur sense of thinking is nonsense...these oaks just want a decent salary and a decent enough place to stay...u think they live in nice little rooms...my dog has better acomadtion then those so called hostels..u say civil dialogue like u think ur some sort of scholar...my friend..people like u are y therz conflict in this counrty..nd people like u will never change..no matter wat anyone says...u ignore all the facts and read wateva u read in the paper nd think..look at those animals at it again..bunch of uncivalised cretins..they shud be killed or beaten... I tell u this..not coz i think it will make a differnce in ur attitude..but try a lil research..simple thing like google..take the facts and then make a conclusion

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-14 13:42

      No Mr Reid he wants dialogue with people he cannot communicate with and who are bent on violence. In the article the Police were trying to prevent the striking miners from destroying mine property by setting it alight. He is ignorant and stupid.

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-10-14 08:58

    only in south africa, what a bunch of clowns

  • ou.pel.9 - 2012-10-14 09:06

    Mining company(not SA owned)lost 126million USD due to this strike, but they still operating!? They come here, exploit cheap labor, money leaves the country and then leaves us, the SA taxpayers, to handle their HR problems!!! What is our costs? Lost of lives, no employment, etc.

  • achaava - 2012-10-14 09:08

    i realy dont get it...if ppl lose their jobs..wher do u think those 12000 miners are gona do? Hungry and desprate..they gona gona become criminals...then crime goes up and we have new stories to complain about on news24...mining companies brag each year on billions of rands in profit..thats after the share holders and all other mense get thier monies worth...i dont condone the miners way of doing things..but i rate any job that requires u to risk your life..km into the ground in dingy unstable conditions does not deserve that person to get peanuts for his life..people talk through thier ass like they know wat condtions these miners are going thru..and yet they would never be caut dead in those conditions..lack of emphaty is where we go wrong...put urself in someones shoes be4 u talk smack ..if cant imgine urself ther... If u dehumanize a person long enough..dont be suprised when they react to your standards...

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-10-14 09:21

      They will become criminals? They are already criminals. I agree conditions are bad in the a mine but if you don't want to do the work don't take the job. No one held a gun to their heads and said you will work in the mines. These people are ruining our economy ,so don't complain when bread costs 50 rand a loaf and petrol is sitting on 25 a litre.

      achaava - 2012-10-14 09:56

      ur missing the point ray...they acting out the way they have been treated china...example...they have been complaining about mining conditions for years! Not one upper mangement responded..ever see a child when u ignore them for long enuff..they act out..thats wat the miners are doing...u also forgetting..that these oaks have no education..they know nothing but the work they do..and with the current problems facing unemployment..u think they gona sit back and starve? When this is all said and done...ur rite..no one holding a gun to thier head..but they will be holding guns to everyone elses head..the fn companies must just pay these oaks a reasonble salary as per risk and wot wot not..give em their 12000..nd leave em be..thats the problem with having mining companies owned by oversea countries...they wont feel the pinch..not one bit

      melanie.declercq.16 - 2012-10-14 11:48

      Since when are you expected to become a criminal when you have no job? In that case a good person should try to rely on social security, help from the local community, help from family, or even beg. There are millions of poor people without jobs who have to beg to survive in India. You don't see those people robbing or committing violent acts against their richer fellows.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-14 09:17

    arrest them!!! Let's stop this nonsense now!!!! Its enough!!!!

  • manie.gebhardt - 2012-10-14 09:45

    @ Philip: No one is arguing that people should not EARN a decent salary!!! If we give a mine worker a salary of R12 500 to R18 000 per month, what are we teaching our children? That is more money than a journalist, a teacher, a graphic designer and many other professional professions earn in a month! All of which I might add are people who invested thousands of Rands, time and effort in the their education. Now people like you are saying that education means nothing! You are telling our children that you don't have to study or develop your mind! You just have to wait till you are old enough so the people who wasted their money on education can teach you how to work a machine and then you can earn more than most educated people! You obviously never stand in front of a class trying to convince learners of the importance of education. So to sum it up for you: Yes we believe that mine workers should EARN a decent salary but not the salary they are asking for. If we allow this we are allowing the downfall of education in this country by sending out the wrong message to our children! Lastly, if the mine bosses give in to these outrages demands we are condoning the violence these people are using to get what they want and only setting ourselves up for future disasters. Because now it is the norm: if you want something demand it and if not successful it is okay to kill! What a idiotic mentality!!!

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 10:16

      Manie , many people (including Teachers) are HUGELY underpaid in SA. This is why SA IS the most inequal country on the planet. Are you for REAL when you talk about what message we send to our kids? What message do they get by having NO personal freedom and living behind electric fences all their lives? What message do they get seeing the orgies of rape and murder in this country ? etc. etc. We need to pay a living wage for productive work. Not slave labour wages that even people in India or China would turn their noses up at.

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-14 11:02

      @ Phillip, your opinion is noble but the truth is that higher wages will just result is massive job losses. The country will just import or source skills internationally to satisfy their requirements.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-14 14:05

      @Brian.Dorning: Brian when you say "internationally" are you talking about the UK ...or Germany ..or the US ..or Australia ? Or do you refer to Zimbabwe or Malawi ? Who the heck will come from overseas to earn peanuts and live in a pigsty with dozens of other okes ?

  • manie.gebhardt - 2012-10-14 09:51

    What an idiotic mentality! (Apologies for the error)

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-10-14 09:57

    No, they are not mine workers anymore since they were dismissed. They are now a mob illegaly gathering and trespassing with the intent to burn, destroy and even kill. Call in (what's left of) the army and deal with this NOW.

  • mzwandile.komeni - 2012-10-14 09:58

    Mnxm? Can someone wake me up when these morons are finished dancing,yho i mean striking!

  • rouen.heiberg - 2012-10-14 10:06

    Once again proven that you cannot negotiate with hooligans, they only understand physical pain. The ANC encouraged violence back in the day to get what they want, now its coming back to bite them in the arse. The solution is quite easy, 5.56 mm FMJ centre of mass to anybody that throws a petrol bomb at a policeman. I'm sure seeing you partner in crime chest explode in a pink mist will discourage any further criminal tendencies.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-14 10:15

    How can you reason with an uneducated worker who cannot see the big picture. The unions are set on a communist ideology. Black people have turned this country into a typical african country. An absolute hell hole. I fortunately will not see the starvation of hundreds and thousands of africans in the years to come.

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-10-14 11:53

      sorry Kenny !!! its been 18 years since apartheid !!!! why do they NOT get educated ??? because they f*cking burn down school, and what they dont burn they brake down !!! its not an apartheid thing... its a 'nature' thing....

      melanie.declercq.16 - 2012-10-14 11:57

      You do have a point. In the 1960's the DRC became independent. The Belgian colonists educated them, but they thought it was 2-3 generations too early to start independence. They were forced to leave and the African "leaders" could not wait to replace them and build an even greater economy. Well now 50 years later we all know the results: war, rape, high child mortality (20-25% dies under age 5), rising illiteracy, less roads to drive a car on than before 1960, self-enrichment, etc... SA had much more time to be educated as well as their independence is much more recent. So they are doing better than the other African countries, hence they are also Europe's largest trading partner. However are evolving the right way? To be honest I doubt it also. And to me the "black people" responsibility is much higher than the whites SA due to the (un)written black quota system for management jobs etc. To say now that the whites did not educated you enough is basically saying that independence came to early. Nobody taught my people on how to became a great nation. We stood up and created our own destiny. And if SA decides no longer to evolve, but to stand still or go backwards, that's all fine for me but please don't expect the rest of the world to stop evolving. The best things you black SA can do is to stop breeding + replace short-term self-enrichment by long-term value creation. It's not about the money, it's about value creation.

  • tolene - 2012-10-14 10:20

    Please note that it is NOT only SA mines who pay small wages, EVERYWHERE in the world miners get pittance of wages - rememver the Chilean miners and how they lived. But do you see the rest of the worlds miners destroy property when they strike. Do you see them killing people when they strike? NO!!!!! Why in Africa is it a requirement to cause damage to property and humans to get your point across, why is violence so strong here, why is it that they cant communicate like other countries? My reasoning is that the leaders of the country and their unions - DONT LISTEN, the companies will never give in immediately, they put their offer forward and the unions want more (cause more goes in their pockets - this happens all over the world) but then they talk it out. In SA the unions then comminicate how unco-operative the company is and then the violence starts. If the government and unions listened, talked and negotiated like responsible people the masses would not have to feel that violence is the answer. A mob mentality is the most dangerous and I see it here on the comments sometimes. Violence with violence will never work!!! But getting heard through violence seems to be the only solution these strikers have for their unions and government to care. A law should be put into place of a minimum miners wage based on their job, experience and a pyriamid should be followed, i.e. he has worked for two years he gets a % increase. Working hours need to be restricted as quality of life is important, they should all get pensions and medical aid (if they want it and it should be explained to them). Dont just give without teaching. Explain how running a mine works, explain the income vs expenses and shareholders, profits etc, teach them how it works. Remember these workers did most likely not get the chance to finish school, or did not do economics, may not be able to read. Educatw them on why you cant pay them what they want. Help them understand. Until I started my own business completely blind on how to run a business, I always wondered about these things. And now I see why my bosses could not pay more, how it effects the running of the business. They need to understand that money does not just appear. And dont comment that you cant teach barbarians anything. Everyone can learn if given half the chance and it is time we start working together to diffuse the hatred that our very own politicians are sowing on a daily basis because THEY ARE JUST TO SELF-CENTRED TO CARE FOR THEIR PEOPLE. They are as much to blame here as the Unions and Amplata

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-14 10:30

    Striking miners.....no they not. They were fired. They just a violent mob of hooligans. Deal with them in a harsh manner.

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-10-14 10:36

    Oh no no no! Just don't kill them please. This black to black violence must come to an end! Find the perpetrator and deal with evenly

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-14 10:54

      So are you suggesting that if its was black on anyone else it would be acceptable?

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-10-14 11:03

    Typical..when you can't get your way BURN EVERYTHING in sight!Like the trains which were late..so now there is no transport! Now they want buses laid on..SO THEY CAN BURN them as well! Dumb bunch of f*cknuts !!!!!

  • Shaun Daly - 2012-10-14 11:11

    Since the SAPS seem to be either unwilling or unable to handle the violence and prevent destruction of the mines private property they should rather be allowed to bring on a private security firm to put an end to this nonsense.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-14 11:15

    it's because criminals in SA have more rights than the law abiding!

      rouen.heiberg - 2012-10-14 11:16

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  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-14 11:21

    I would say this is a start up of a civil war. Unless, these minors are shown who is the boss and told they will face a firing squad then we have a problem, If these should choose to stay and the police fire warning shots and they still dont move then shoot to kill. This is no longer over wages there is more to this than that. This cannot be considered a strike this is war. Fire must be met with fire now.

  • tc.convulvulous - 2012-10-14 13:00

    This country is going to tatters under this ANC 'government'. No more control. No more respect, not even for people's lives. Disaster! Pathetic bunch!

  • simon.mwando - 2012-10-14 13:09

    Why there is no casualties? Shoot the bastards

  • simon.mwando - 2012-10-14 13:21

    Another Zimbabwe on the cards! Let the drama. Unfolds,@ least Zimbabweans are educated,they are bold enough to jump fence and can fill passport application forms n communicate well! African country finest hour!

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-14 13:41

    There is a big difference between unskilled labour in Australia and South Africa. They can read and write so they are teachable. In South Africa it is not the case. But R40,000.00 per month will not be enough, because they cannot manage their money. It will be wasted on designer phones, clothes, TV's and all this not unnecessary. Then going for more loans, in the end the next year they want R50,000.00. More money won't solve their problems, they must learn to spend it wisely.

  • yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-10-14 16:25

    " This is an illegal gathering"

  • yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-10-14 16:31

    Giving them more money will not quench their insatiable greed. Since when should the illiterate be paid more than varsity graduates?? Give them all financial literacy lessons and let them manage with their current pay, then they will learn not to spend R1000+ on muti!! What will they gain by burning down the mines, in a few months the mines will be up and running with workers that are grateful to have a job, and these fools will be starving!

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-10-14 16:47

    SA NEEDS A WORKERS PARTY,FREE FROM ANC.

  • tessa.nortje.1 - 2012-10-14 17:01

    ?Shock? It is sad te read that people who don't even work on a mine, now al of a sudden are experts in what is going on down there... And what is going down on these mines.... Now all of a sudden everybody is an expert in the mining industry...

  • 123sdp - 2012-10-15 13:19

    There are some people ou there who desperatly need a position similar to the above. If they don't want to work then please make way for those who want...

  • Mohaola - 2012-10-15 21:46

    Why campanies risk to lose 125m in revenues during striking workes per week,to lose 125m per means u can ....

  • bravo.thai - 2012-10-15 22:59

    I pls all the miners and all who drives the trucks 'NOT to damage the properties.and \STOP\fightin.u have the right to strike 4 yo living [BUT]in a rite way,before they strike.they must have to think about the increasement before they take a dicisions.to distroy the properties is crime and u have to pay for that.eg:if your bosses ask u to come back to work tommorrow and tell u that they will increase the salary.what are they going to do about the damaged properties?

  • draad.trekker.1 - 2012-10-16 15:35

    At least the Manne in N Cape got brains. When they strike they steal the Mines Machinery Kwaaaaaa kwa kwa kwaaaaaaa

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