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Suspend Marikana cops - Numsa

2012-09-02 20:51

Johannesburg - The National Union of Metal Workers of SA has called for the suspension of the police task force "that executed the Marikana massacre".

"The CC [central committee] calls on the commission to find out and make public who, between the minister of police and the national police commissioner, gave orders to shoot workers with live bullets when they peacefully assembled on that fateful mountain," said Numsa's general secretary Irvin Jim on Sunday at a Johannesburg press briefing.

The police actions confirmed that post-1994 South Africa had not transformed the apartheid state and its violent machinery, he said.

A total of 34 people were killed when police opened fire at striking Lonmin mineworkers in Marikana on 16 August. Ten people, including two police officers, were killed in the week before.

Miners were the most exploited workers in the country, and earned very little while the mine bosses earned billions of dollars from the minerals, he said, speaking after a meeting of Numsa's CC.

Numsa also criticised the National Development Plan (NDP) which was developed by the National Planning Commission.

Illusion

"We see... that the NDP in its proposals on how to eradicate poverty, unemployment and inequalities in South Africa simply builds an illusion," said Jim.

The union agreed with Cosatu's critique of the NDP in that it had failed to locate South Africa's challenges within their historic causes.

"The NDP should simply have dusted off the Freedom Charter and demanded its full implementation," he said.

The NDP contains recommendations to government by the commission regarding national challenges over the next 20 years.

It calls for skills development and the scrapping of monopolies and disincentives to youth employment, as well as increasing competition.

Numsa also used the opportunity to state its current position on the ANC's elective conference in Mangaung in December.

Mangaung

"In all our meetings we are now discussing Mangaung. There is no decision now that has been taken that we don't want JZ [Jacob Zuma]," said Jim.

The union had nothing against the Polokwane leadership, as many people thought, he said.

Numsa also called for the re-nationalisation of Sasol as the company made exorbitant profits, but did not share its development responsibility in the country.

Comments
  • Conrad Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-02 21:06

    "peaceful gathering"?!??! Yep, excluding the 10 killed everyone should be mourning.

      TSR01 - 2012-09-02 21:40

      The video footage provided by one of the camera crews at the site showed the group moving forward towards the police with panga's and a handgun, which was discharged at least TWICE ON VIDEO AT A POLICE OFFICER. The live fire at police officers is what caused the retaliation from the police, who were rightfully defending their lives. If this goes to court, the videos from the camera crews (all ±5 of them) will show that the police did NOT act unlawfully or unjustly.

      peterdonb - 2012-09-02 23:34

      Yes amasing, isn't it. So we allow any non-expert to swagger in here with their pocket protectors all polished and their freshly buffed bifocals glinting, ready to be crowned the King of Forensic Investigation? The fact is that if NUM, other unions and Lonmin Management handled the situation as they should have, the police would have never been involved at Lonmin. They would never have been there! But that is politicians for you. If in doubt, blame anyone else than yourself. It like these so-called findings by the journalist: Marinovich. Will the great issues of the day finally be decided by sensationalist journalists? Anyone can "walk" a scene, "understanding" what actually happened is a whole different situation. We normally leave that to experts like forensic investigators. But hopefully good sense will prevail, because really you'll find no experts in the field receptive to these types of tantrums. I mean, seriously, if Marinovich wins the Pulitzer Prize tomorrow with a photo of Mars, do you think NASA will suddenly trust him to advise them on the current Mars Expedition? I mean...seriously??

      kayley.segal - 2012-09-02 23:49

      Yes, they must be suspended...they did their job. That is intolerable in the "new" South Africa.

      denis.gomo - 2012-09-03 02:10

      @Peterdonb...I agree with you. This Marinovich guy is an attention seeker. Camera evidence shows strikers rushing with pangas and firing first at police...this guy now wants us to believe his walked the scene later evidence. He's should stop watching to much CIS-(Marikana)?

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-09-03 20:34

      THE COPS DID A GREAT JOB WITH THESE SCUMBAGS.

  • thebe.tau - 2012-09-02 21:06

    I have a better idea, let's suspend NUM bosses

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-09-03 08:51

      From the neatrest tree???????

  • punungwe - 2012-09-02 21:13

    I wonder whether some of the people who speak ever think of the effect of their comments on police morale, and by extension on general law and order in South Africa.

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-02 21:48

      No they dont

      John - 2012-09-02 22:03

      Boltonberry must be a cop defending his position. Nine out of ten cops are arrogant useless bully boy thugs! Who the hell gives a damn about their MORALE. If they all faded away I would be extremely happy!

      mandy.mans.1 - 2012-09-03 08:15

      Well John, please remember that, went next there is another voilent protest near you. They seem to be happening every other day now. So when an angry mob, waving pangas and knopkierries come charging down the street, please just go stand in the middle of the road. After all their peacefull, right?

  • clint.rusford.3 - 2012-09-02 21:14

    ja they were gathering peacefully and the police came out of their own will and disturbd the peaceful gathering ! Does it make sense? Thot so..

      arvin.hooseria - 2012-09-02 21:22

      Innocent, peaceful, muti protected miners! They should be given the Nobel Peace Prize.

      Bongiwe Bongie Mabongz Dlutu - 2012-09-02 23:19

      And the miners were shot on the back and buttocks...they were shot while running away mmmh

  • boltonbarry - 2012-09-02 21:48

    And you fire all of those who are on an illegal strike

      John - 2012-09-02 21:51

      There is no such thing as an ILLEGAL strike.

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-09-02 22:42

      Ummm yes there is, it's called when a union has no proper motive for a strike other than a turf war with another union and fuels their members with lies and half-truths - and in the end gets them killed and without a job.

  • thereevos - 2012-09-02 21:58

    If it wasn't for unions this country would tick and run without strikes crippling the economy .unions are too powerful and need to have their wings clipped

  • Bongiwe Bongie Mabongz Dlutu - 2012-09-02 23:11

    All injured and dead miners were shot on the \backs\...mmmmh

      arne.verhoef - 2012-09-03 08:57

      Dont be ridiculous. These are your spin doctors, the ones that keep you in the dark ages and an in a pre-colonial african mindset, that steal from you and have yet to do you any good, feeding you yet another lie. Watch the footage, don't be daft.

  • juannepierre - 2012-09-03 04:42

    Everyone here comments as if they are location reporters... So, everybody, what's the weather like around the mine? Don't worry, I'll wait...

  • mandy.mans.1 - 2012-09-03 08:38

    I thinks the unions should be charged. They started this mess. They should realise that their actions have consequences. The protesters also, they were the one's that decided to do what ever it takes to get want they want. They had no problem killing innocent people - hacking someone to death or burning them alive, shows they had no morals and didn't care about human live. Now their up in arms and want to take on the police, for stopping the voilence that they started. If you begin with voilence, it will end in voilence. Protesters have to stop thinking they can do what ever they want and nothing will happen to them.

      sikanyiso.tonise - 2012-09-03 15:03

      Your statement Butie Mandy is insensitive, people have lost lives there. Police went extra mile to hunt and kill them. This matter can fuel ethnic cleansing in this country, taking into account that those people were Xhosa speaking people. If the orders to shoot and kill were from Police Minister that is a very serious problem.The Eastern Cape is mourning, so people should stop making irresponsible & insensitive statements.Suzan Shabangu on the other side together with NPA are pressing charges of murder whilst the commision is still on. Personal vendetta?

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-09-03 08:40

    Now they saying the miners were executed!!! WTF???? Its amazing how the media are changing there articals on this whole Lonmin miners. Its pathetic. How can you call it a peaceful gathering when the are holding panga's, spears and firearms?? How can you call it peacefull when already two policemen and two security guards were savagely hacked to death by these barbarians plus the other 6 miners that where killed because they didnt join??? Nothing has been said about those 10 innocent lives. You the media and the gogvernment are a disgrace. Those 34 miners got what they deserved. They had been asked to leave and they didnt listen. They charged the police and you can clearly see a miner with a handgun discharging it twice at the police. The police had the right to open fire with live ammo as they were being threatened. It just disgusts me that they are wanting us to feel sorry for these miners.

  • Dikotsi Ramakhera Petrus - 2012-09-03 08:55

    aaaaag, NUMSA! Lets start here, how much are u NUMSA leaders earning per month? It is interesting to see a 'communist' who 'fights for the poor', owning a Jeep, X6, etc! Now, let's talk

      sikanyiso.tonise - 2012-09-03 15:04

      Numsa is right.

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