Tempers flare at renaming meeting in CT

2012-03-28 08:47

Cape Town - Residents have accused the City of Cape Town of sidelining Afrikaners in a street renaming process, it was reported on Wednesday.

Freedom Front Plus member Andre Fourie said streets named after Afrikaans leaders like Andries Pretorius, Jan Smuts and Coen Steytler were dismissed as "insensitive, offensive and provocative".

The Cape Times quoted him as saying: "Cecil John Rhodes, who was responsible for the bloody slaughter of the Matabele in Rhodesia, and Milner and Kitchener of Anglo-Boer fame, under whose decisions thousands of women and children died in the concentration camps, are still cherished by the Democratic Alliance."

The Pan Africanist Congress of Azania said it had to be made clear they wanted to change streets named after everyone who had oppressed them.

Naming committee chairperson Brett Herron said the four name changes had come from the public and not the committee.

The meeting was held to discuss the proposed changes of DF Malan Street to David Poole Street, Coen Steytler Avenue to Walter Sisulu Avenue, Milner Street to Jan Rabie Street, and Port Road to Fort Amsterdam Road.

  • mnbain - 2012-03-28 08:55

    O crap, Cape town are getting a dose of name change stupid too... Lets rename Port Road??? WTF!!!

      jpstrauss - 2012-03-28 10:49

      Port is a favoured drink of the oppressor, you see.

      William - 2012-03-28 12:44

      What's in a name? That which we call a turd, by any other would smell as bad.

      Peter-Peter - 2012-03-28 14:45

      I would love to know...once all the street names have been changed and whatnot...what will they focus on then? What other way have they been 'oppressed', that still lingers on in todays times?

  • Taetjo - 2012-03-28 08:59

    Waste of money!

  • looneylani - 2012-03-28 09:00

    The funny thing is.. there are white, coloured and black people that speak Afrikaans in SA. Some Zulu / Xhosa would use some Afrikaans in their conversations...

      looneylani - 2012-03-28 10:17

      yeah... and that is all part of history Hilton. I'm making a point on this. I use all languages in my conversation... but I aint hating or racist.

      koo.doyle - 2012-03-28 11:18

      @ hilton without the Afrikaaner, there would be no roads to rename.

      Pieter - 2012-03-28 11:22

      dis nie eintlik vir my baie snaaks nie - iets soos, "the horse walks into the bar and the barman asks, "Why the long face?" ", dit is snaaks... Die feit dat baie verskillende rassegroepe afrikaans praat is nie eintlik snaaks nie

  • looneylani - 2012-03-28 09:03

    Use the bladdy tax money for housing or feeding or something that we can physically benefit from!!

  • hayden.cajee - 2012-03-28 09:03

    Its amazing with poverty, unemployment and incompetent educators on the rise, These guys still find time to allocate tax payers money to renaming streets after people no one really knows, If you ask any young black person who these activist are, they'll have NO IDEA!!!

  • Willem - 2012-03-28 09:04

    Keep going DA! Show us your true colors!

      Andres - 2012-03-28 09:12

      One side: We want a stronger DA; Another: We want a conservative DA; Another: DA can't win if they don't represent all racial groups; DA is racist; Another side: DA is for white-interests only. Realise Willem, they're in a balancing act... what the hell are they supposed to do. If you want to win elections in SA you cannot please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-28 09:15


      Andres - 2012-03-28 09:18

      @PointBlank: basically Willem is saying the DA is being "too progressive" here. I'm saying: You have to have political balance and try to keep everyone somewhat content. You can't please them ALL, all of the time. The DA simply cannot be a bastion of conservative interests if it wants to be an alternative government for SA. Tough to swallow for some, but this is the new SA.

      pmarqua - 2012-03-28 09:19

      Well said AnnMan

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-28 10:30

      @annman, that is why I was a bit perplexed by Willem's statement knowing full well the DA have no real choice as this is a national government requirement.

      jpstrauss - 2012-03-28 11:41

      Well, it is MY opinion that one party shouldn't be catering for everyone. We need a REPRESENTATIVE government where everyone's views and gripes are representaed by a party. if the DA decides to do something stupid, some other party should be there to put a stop to it. You can only have "balance" if there are people on either side of the see-saw. You can't have everyone on one side and in the middle jumping up and down in a vain attempt to keep the thing level.

      Willem - 2012-03-28 11:48

      The new SA is unworkable for a multitude of very obvious realities facing us. It is in a downwards spiral that show no signs of slowing down. In order for the DA to gain votes, they will have to adopt policies that appeal to the broader masses.. They are already very close to the ANC in key issues like land reform and affirmative action, but still want our votes please.. Let me say again: the new SA cannot work, period. The faster we realize the DA is just another part of this unworkable mess the better for us. We must step by step free ourselves from this progressively authoritarian centralized state. Of course it will not be easy! It is our only option.

  • DeonHeunis - 2012-03-28 09:05

    THe only reason I give a s**t about this is because my Tom-Tom software will need an update.

      jpstrauss - 2012-03-28 13:36

      those downloads take forever and Garmin just published the CURRENT update last week.

  • Andres - 2012-03-28 09:05

    This is always going to be controversial; tempers are always going to fray. Let's look at the process followed in Cape Town and versus, say Durban. At least there is time for tempers to be frayed in CT, as there's a rigorous public consultation process... other cities: None - was the will of the ANC-council and nobody had much input. So, let your voices be heard, whether for or against.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-28 09:17

      Yup, I know for a fact that no one in Durban North would have overwhelmingly voted Fidel Castro to replace the main road in that suburb!! Not to mention other roads names which rub mud in the faces of those still living there who suffered great loss at the blowing up of a shopping centre there during apartheid.

  • EddyDeepfield - 2012-03-28 09:05

    The victor does what he wants.The FF lost. Live with it.Rhodes opened up a back water SA to the world and industrialisation. SA was nothing and no where but a stop over to India which was the Crown in the Empire. With out Rhodes all we would have is backward farmers like the FF. Judge the men for the time they lived in. What has the FF done for SA. At least the DA is proactive.

      jpstrauss - 2012-03-28 13:37

      So, you're saying that only the majority should have rights?

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-03-28 09:06

    Did Shaka Zulu not kill whites? We have an airport named after him. Whites have to accept that part of history. In renaming historically named entities one cannot rewrite history. One cannot obliterate it with ethic names. often, once renamed these historically named entities often deteriorate - look at the Helen Joseph Hospital - its not a tribute to her memory. It's a disgusting mess - an embarrassment, as is the Chris Hani hospital. Let the government of the day name their contributions to this country after their own heroes and leave history be. You can't hide what is already there.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-28 10:32

      Which whites did Shaka Zulu kill? Are you sure you're not thinking of Dingane who ordered his army to kill Voortrekkers? Do you see anything named after Dingane?

  • Frank - 2012-03-28 09:07

    We are too emotionally invested in this issue. We all know this is a witch hunt on Afrikaners and we should let them have their little fun. At the rate they are stealing, it is inevitable that we are going to have to take over the reigns in the future again and then we simply change it back, at very little cost seeing we would still have the old sign boards!

      Simthandile Mpondo - 2012-03-28 09:31

      @ Frank it's very good to dream. It shows u r still alive. Kunganyiwa. U can someone to translate that for u.

      Frank - 2012-03-28 09:51

      Simthandile Mpondo The facts are there for all to see, dufus. The current crop of ANC thieves are going to steal the country dry as their greed is not sustainable. With the education system in shambles, no worthwhile candidates are entering the job market and without a new, young tax can probably see where this is going, can't you?? The other side of the coin is that all the employed whites, here and abroad are going to have to shoulder the responsibility to keep the lights on and we are not going to do it with a bunch of thieves at the helm. So if something drastic is not done to stop you leedas from stealing, this is how it is going to play it or not!

  • Clive - 2012-03-28 09:07

    leave the street names and change how you run the nation, let hope you can try do that before worring about the small things. Housing and service delivery is more important than names that were part of our history of the nation.

  • Erich - 2012-03-28 09:08

    It is sad to note that the DA controlled City of Cape Town has also now decided to jump on the rename-bandwagon. Ms De Lille and Co will soon realise that they are foresaking their voters by getting involved in this petty matters. They are going to pay the price for this.

      Andres - 2012-03-28 09:14

      If voters make the DA pay the price for 20 or so street names, you'll pay the price for R20billion going missing when a different, less honest party takes control. Talk about cutting off nose to spite one's face.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-28 09:19

      Shame if you can only think that far, renaming is not a provincial decision, it is a national one... DA have no choice..

      betsy.compaan - 2012-03-28 09:35

      @erich, you seem to forget that the DA is the regional government not the National Government. Renaming has been happening in SA for a few years already as I am sure you know. Like annman said they have done very well when it comes to cutting down on corruption and starting to improve the WC. But you need to realize that the WC isn't an independent province, it is part of SA and Governed overall by the anc. Please understand that the other option for running WC is the anc so if you would rather draw your x next to their name then please go ahead but just remember if the WC follows suite with the rest of SA you won't have the chance to change your vote again.

      Rodney - 2012-03-28 10:07

      Erich we should have empathy ,Lets not be ignorant and redress if needs be

      Andres - 2012-03-28 10:22

      Wow! Surprises me how many people want to throw the baby out with the bathwater on something so trivial. Do people truly believe, the DA can run roughshod over a national progress of redress and still win votes in the greater majority? Chose what is more important to you people, a clean audit, good roads, more houses, best education and health system... or your name-agenda?

  • chester.wandsworth - 2012-03-28 09:10

    Lets US compile a list of south african, non-aligned names - preferably related to the surroundings. :P We can translate it to the official languages as/when needed. Liiiiiike....

  • Frans Van der Poll - 2012-03-28 09:17

    Simply name the street after a flower or animal. Why must it always have a political connotation.

      Tammy - 2012-03-28 09:33


      Kent - 2012-03-28 12:31

      @ Frans Van der Poll. By renaming the streets and towns the average population is losing sight of where these places are. If a friend visits me from Cape Town I would meet them at Uncle Charlies, not there anymore, but I could say to meet me corner Harrow and Saratoga Street. Only now my friend will not find as the road is called Joe Slovo. This I would need to explain to him and when the news papers mention a hot spot on Molibongi Road Randburg non of the outer towners would know of this hot spot. Renaming only confuses the populance and dumbs us down as I do not know any town in Eastern Transvaal anymore. Do not know what they call Nelspruit and as such will not be able to meet anybody there without seeming a fool for not knowing where this place is. Mpumalanga province (formerly Eastern Transvaal)and Nelsspruit now called Mbombela. My overseas visitors all know where the Kruger National Park is but now it is in Mpumalanga and we all confused again.

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-03-28 16:24

      Hey Kent, when ppl talk about living in Rhodesia and I cant find it on a map, I ask. Same with Siam.

  • spartanx93 - 2012-03-28 09:19

    Don't these mud pelicans have better things to worry about than a stupid street name?

  • Wayne - 2012-03-28 09:19

    Quarreling about name changes, seriously? I'm sure there's more pressing issues on the agenda that requires more immediate attention than these Mickey Mouse tongue lashing sessions. I wish there was this kind of enthusiasm when they discuss the dreadful state of our education system or the ongoing and inconveniently true reality that our youth is unemployed. But I suppose the youth is not priority at this stage. They would rather have people admire street names whilst they wait in the endless city traffic, or maybe the decision-makers are sitting in their offices, thinking to themselves: "what can we do this month to confuse old European tourists that come here with outdated maps"... No that's not it: Maybe they think that people that live in abject poverty would feel more connected to the city if the name represents some course of history?, that's right, because the millions you spend on name changes is a better morale booster than building a factory, school or community centre. Priorities of the politically dazed and confused.

  • Andrew - 2012-03-28 09:29

    Complete waste of time and money. Insane, not needed.

  • Leonly - 2012-03-28 09:48


      Eugene Walters - 2012-03-28 10:13

      guess who will get the tenders for the jobs , boeties en sussies

  • eben.ferreira1 - 2012-03-28 09:49

    Aaagh!@##%$, The silliness of man

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-03-28 09:56

    Of course, Che Guevara deserves a road named after him in Durban.

  • Sandra - 2012-03-28 10:15

    GET A LIFE!!! Focus on important stuff such as proper housing for ppl in squatter camps, unemployment, education, upgrading of this non-existent public transport services, etc. etc.

  • justin.schonegevel - 2012-03-28 10:18

    I think FF+ may get my vote in CT next time. Save us money please!! I live in a street all my life and now i must change my details with banks etc! please. save the hassle!

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-03-28 13:00

      I think the FF+ got ur vote last time anyway... hahaha Did the boers not rename EVERYTHING? And the British? What a waste!!! :P And at least u DONT HAVE to MOVE... think about inconvenience of being forcefully REMOVED!! hmm? Ur ATTITUDE is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

      jpstrauss - 2012-03-28 13:40

      [Caps Lock]

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-03-28 14:04

      Whats wrong with EMPHASIS jpstraus?

  • Final.Punishment - 2012-03-28 10:24

    Screw the government.. That silly thing we call a vote.. well, means nothing when they don't listen to the public.

  • Dean - 2012-03-28 10:34

    By changing the name of the street do you improve the lives of the beggars on that street? Just asking.

      Nettie - 2012-03-28 18:13

      Yes people will flock to the street named Mandel Street just to see his name More oppertunities for beggers

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-03-28 10:43

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  • Nick - 2012-03-28 11:39

    the issue with name changing is not the mere act of changing but what is being changed and how they are going about why must everything that represents afrikaner history be erased and this is not apartheid history but 18-19th century history being changed casing point town Piet Retief the one murdered town over 100 years old name changed yet we have places like Newcaste, Dundee Port Elizabeth etc etc all named after the British after conquering the country renaming it after struggle heroes no problem but when some mk murderer who never targeted a government institution but rather a restaurant of bank where women and children lost their lives that is unacceptable he is no struggle hero just a coward

  • thulanit3 - 2012-03-28 11:40

    Street names must be changed,,,we cant keep up with those verwoerd rd or de klerk ave,,,what is dat in th new SA,,,th apartheid gov must disappear with their str names since they named everythin after themselves,,,!

      jpstrauss - 2012-03-28 13:45

      Which apartheid figure was the Kalahari Gemsbok Park named after?

  • rouxenator - 2012-03-28 11:59

    If they are going to rename them, please use numbers, like 1st street all the way to 999th street. This will ensure that no future renames will have to be undertaken.

  • siyolise.matyila - 2012-03-28 12:02

    From what I can gather, its evident that in south africa anything that is linked with britain, such as anglo street names etc seems to be acceptable to the people, but once anything afrikaans comes forth, all hell breaks loose. Wonder why, wonder why.

  • Rob - 2012-03-28 12:17

    Stop using people to name streets and buildings. It is politically motivated, and a waste of time and money....especially when you have to keep changing them to keep up with the times.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-03-28 12:59

    honestly! Why use names? Just use numbers! And does it have to be struggle heroes? What about that person on the street currently changing people's lives? When is he honoured?

  • William - 2012-03-28 13:04

    What's in a name really?!!!! Lets forget about the small crap and deal with the real issues on the ground like housing, education, health etc. Who really gives a toss if a street is named Nelson Mandela or Hendrik Verwoerd??? It wastes to much time and money changing names and knowbody really gives a damn!!!

  • Niel.Kal - 2012-03-28 13:43

    Who's Jan Rabie...?? I think that all street names should have names of ANC members, then it's done, finish an klaar... thats what they want..give it to them..They are children.!!!

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-03-28 14:12

      yes Niel... so that when u drive down the road you can say "oh K@L!!" We can move names. DF MALAN aaaa baalie construnction. childish enuff?

  • Grant - 2012-03-28 15:00

    Aaah, wouldn't it be nice if the only thing we had to worry about was street names...

  • Johnnie - 2012-03-28 15:10

    The time has come that those bloody fools that always want names changed start paying for the expense. Those are the very same people that strike tomorrow for houses and shelter.

  • Patrick - 2012-03-28 16:22

    Hey Di - who the hell do you think you are hey? So how much money did you get off the Apartheid system? Just because you English - you think you can play the innocent! The English are actually the real wolves in sheep's clothing!

  • Patrick - 2012-03-28 16:27

    Hey Di, who the hell do you think you are hey? You think because you English you can get off the hook? How much money do you have? All accumulated during apartheid! Separate development was the brain child of the English here when the English masters made the barrier at the Fish river in the Eastern Cape. So don't come here blaming Afrikaners for everything! Who contributed to the biggest industrialization of this country? The Afrikaners!

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