Traditional leaders head to Marikana

2012-08-20 10:32

Johannesburg - Traditional leaders are heading to the Lonmin mine in Marikana, in the North West, to offer support to workers and families after a shooting that killed 34 people, according to a report on Monday.

The Daily Dispatch reported that the Eastern Cape house of traditional leaders, their North West counterparts and a delegation from the Congress of Traditional Leaders of South Africa (Contralesa) would visit the community on Monday.

On Thursday, 34 people were killed when the police opened fire on striking workers, some of them armed, while trying to disperse them after a week of violent protests. Another 10 people, including policemen and security guards, had by then been killed in violent protests at the mine over the past week.

The police ministry said 78 others were injured and 259 arrested. The 259 protesters are expected to appear in the Garankuwa Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Contralesa president Chief Phathekile Holomisa told the Daily Dispatch that the delegation planned to meet with mine management and miners in their attempt to restore peace.

"We need to bring calm and peace to the area. We can't have a situation where people just kill each other over salary grievances," Holomisa said.

AmaMpondo king, Ndamase Ndamase, flew from East London on Sunday to meet the AmaMpondo workers in the mines.

The protests were believed to be linked to rivalry between the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (Amcu) over recognition agreements at the mine. Workers also wanted higher pay.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-08-20 10:37

    The miners disobeyed lawful commands from the police and are therefore breaking the law. They are not hero's, they are felons!

      johand.dutoit - 2012-08-20 11:09

      No words,just aerial photographs:

      tinotenda.jakazi - 2012-08-20 11:09

      Ironically there was a point in history when Mandela was a felon, Gandhi was a felon... and Hitler was a law-abiding leader. Look it up. Don't be so naive as to take for granted the justness of the law, particularly when people's lives are at stake. I implore you to look beyond the surface of such incidents.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-20 11:12

      Andre, if I had obeyed the lawful commands from the police we would still be ruled by apartheid. So in your eyes I am a felon. Oh! well such is life.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-20 11:15

      can they cure stupidity, thuggery, intolerance & popularism, if so they are in much need

      templar.known - 2012-08-20 11:20

      Rooster, the strikers drew first blood by killing among others, two cops that were hacked to death with pangas and axes. The last thing we need now is for "Traditional Leaders', and that retard Malema to be involved in this mess.

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-20 12:22

      tinotenda.jakazi There was a time when Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, Robert Mugabe (etc) were law-abiding leaders, in fact each (at a time) were regarded as saviors and heroes - look it up. In turn I have a message for you: Don't be so naive, as to take for granted the INJUSTICE of the law, particularly when people's lives are at stake. I implore you to look beyond the surface of such incidents. AT LARGE: MY QUESTION REMAINS UNANSWERED, viz, WHY ARE SOUTH AFRICANS COERCED TO MOURN THE MARIKANA INCIDENT WHEN (AROUND) 50 PEOPLE ARE MURDERED IN SA EVERY DAY..? LET ALONE THOSE WHO ARE RAPED, MAIMED, TORTURED and BROKEN (for life - physically and psychologically) BY THE WORST REGIME SOUTH AFRICA HAS EVER SEEN - who mourns for these people..? How many policemen have been killed since this incident..? How many (-men and -woman) during- and before Marikana - who mourns for these people..? South Africa simply has a CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT, for CRIMINALS, by CRIMINALS. I challenge you to prove me wrong...

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 12:38

      South Africa doesn't have a death sentence within it's justice system, and it's not up to the police, or anybody for that matter, to decide who dies in South Africa - Thanks for putting perspective into the facts Rooster... #Criminal Government, for criminals, by criminals?# which law is your point of reference Claudia? South African Law or Claudia Law? I voted and I assume so did you, the real crime is the root cause of the whole saga, which lies within the negotiations that went wrong, and none of us knows the real facts and therefore can't come out and call everyone a criminal - I don't know how one compares types of human deaths, what I know death is death and any persons death is one death too many, what's shocking in this case is the massacre, which some of you think it's justified in your own standards... this too shall pass and if you're not prepared optimistic and learn anything out of this, you'll remain as ignorant as you are...

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-08-20 12:50

      sibiyaam: Working conditions and grievances may be poor and justified, but they are not criminal unless a law is broken. Only the State has the legal right to apply force when justified. The strikers did not have the right to use violence...their behaviour was criminal.

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 14:22

      Criticallyhonest: I don't see the part where you mention DEADLY FORCE I was talking death of human beings from day one - There's a lot the police could have done for a week and they did nothing, otherwise I don't deny the fact that the state has a right to use of force but deadly force??? - The actions of the strikers were criminal, so was the police actions, but then whose me and you, we've got a justice system in our country isn't it...

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-08-20 14:35

      sibiyaam: The State, and only the state, has the right to use deadly force....that said its use is, or should be, governed by very clear criteria. When you vote them in you give them that right, and let's face it without such power the State would be pointless. Any other use of deadly force is illegal (arguable about self defence for sure)

  • bennie.kruger.5 - 2012-08-20 10:38

    I survived Marikana 2012 T-Shirts - R50

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-20 10:41

      Do you have them in communist red?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-20 11:16

      Bennie, making fun of a tradegy is stupid.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-20 12:26

      Making money out of tragedy is Entrepuneurship.

  • joe.peters.56 - 2012-08-20 10:39

    Vote DA

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 13:04

      Enlighten us on what any party especially DA would do with this situation... are you that desperate with votes, you can't even tell the deference...

  • rick.kabose - 2012-08-20 10:41

    They owe the strikers a refund on the bullet repellent muti

  • kala.bafazi - 2012-08-20 10:42

    The last time a "traditional" person met with the miners all hell broke loose shortly thereafter.

      boyisile - 2012-08-20 10:56

      When was that and who was that traditional person?

      frans.vanderpoll - 2012-08-20 11:08

      @boyisile, where were hiding buddy? Sangomas and Inyangas promised these people no harm will come to them, why you think they stormed the police?

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-08-20 10:43

    Bottom line is-anyone who shows up to a strike carrying a gun has more than "peaceful" protest in their head! They crossed the line by doing so,therefore they must accept the consequences!

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 12:42

      I like that, it's a fair comment...

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-08-20 10:47

    So everybody is going to Marikana to show 'support'. Bull twang! This is to gain political support. Why only now? And I'm not talking about a specific political party, I mean ALL of them. The signs were there long before the killings started. This whole tragedy could have been prevented but NO! Our 'leaders' have much more urgent things to do like changing street names and destroying textbook to name a few.

      boyisile - 2012-08-20 11:03

      You are so right. Why do our leaders wait violance to happen before taking people seriously? Why was a ministerial committe was not setup before the massacra to bring stability in Marikana. Same thing happened in Mpumalanga during the violent protest. A ministerial committe was formed after the protest turned violent. What are leaders saying to the people? What i can gather is that, shed the blood then we will take your grievance serious. Now everybody is trying to score political score whereas people are mourning.

  • gavin.lott.9 - 2012-08-20 10:49

    Just a heads up...if you run at the Police with weapons prepare to be shot..dead!

  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-20 10:52

    With all these visitors the next headline might read "Hotels Overbooked in Marikana."

      lownabester - 2012-08-20 10:54

      hahahaha Love it, cheered me up on this monday:))

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-08-20 11:16

      At least it will be good for business.

  • lownabester - 2012-08-20 10:53

    Just leave the witchdoctors at home.

  • Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-08-20 10:54

    Witchdoctors,traditional leaders and those clueless union leaders led the workers to their death trap.And again they are to do what?To celebrate?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-20 11:14

      Tankiso, probably trying to explain why their brew didn't work.

  • rkashiri - 2012-08-20 11:05

    One way or the other the law had to have an upper hand. You can't expect a stand off to end up with "hooligans" winning. Then the police would be useless

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 13:10

      And the price is a massacre without tactics?... those police were dangerous even to each other, shooting at random without technics... view those videos again and tell me if that was well planned and organized no chain of command several sots fired even after a number of cease fires called, that's lack of discipline from the state police san THATS USELESS...

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-08-20 11:07

    Will these traditional leaders provide stronger muti against bullets?

      ntsikaj - 2012-08-20 11:24

      Why do you ask that Feeblegastro ?

      Mallela Isaac Mokholoane - 2012-08-20 11:48

      Lol!!! you should think B4 u make comment, traditional leaders are nt witch doctors

  • johand.dutoit - 2012-08-20 11:10

    No words needed,just aerial photographs:

  • melusi.myaluza - 2012-08-20 11:17

    they tell people they will be invisible and people also believe them,lol bullets no such ideas about invisibility

      ntsikaj - 2012-08-20 11:27

      There is a difference between Tradtitional Healers and Traditional Leaders !!

  • jack.kukard - 2012-08-20 11:22

    Why don't we all take a couple of days off and go there,seems like the whole country will be there.

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-08-20 11:26

    Its about time!

  • punungwe - 2012-08-20 11:34

    Apparently a group of miners who attended rituals by a sangoma were told that they would be invisible and they could sneak up to and overpower the police without being seen!

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 12:05

      nc nc nc nc nc...

      zaks2217 - 2012-08-20 12:58

      This could be true because I have seen the clip and it does look like they were thinking they were invisible the way the were advancing towards the police.

  • fourhundredkg.bobbejaan - 2012-08-20 11:53

    So now Marikana is a tourist magnet for politicians? Bloody vultures.

  • aijaman.pirlo - 2012-08-20 11:56

    It is appaling to see the manner the White S.Africans comment about this issue.Much worse for the blacks!!!I just read UK white people comments and you can see that those guys are civilised have respect for human life. They made me to appreciate what is done by VW to the people of P.E. Go and check Tinarha, Magxaki and Dwesi in P.E. Then go and check Marikane township. What is amazing. VW is not making money as much as Lomnin Mines but they are able to keep their workers happy and making sure that their workers are living in good conditions.What is difficult with Lomnin mines? Look at what has been done by M.Benz in East London.Mercedez Benz build Kasie next to E.L Airport for its workers. If you see that area you will bet that the commuters is white race bcos in South Africa it is not expected to see a black area being suburbs. Check the financial standard of M.Benz compared to Lomnin Mines. You will be suprised!! Lomnin mines is forming 80% of the total reserves for platinum globaly. Being the 3rd largest platinum producer.You tell me, what is the value of the platinum?Platinum is the most expensive component ever found in mines, even expensive more than an oil for that matter.Clearly some-1 is greedy and that person does not care about the workers. Yes R12500 is too much but we know it's just a drop in the sea for Lomnin mines. To me, even if they don't give these people R12500 but atleast make sure that your workers are living fairly.This would have not gone far!!!

      emilyjane.elson - 2012-08-20 12:34

      I don't think you should generalize like you do. I don't condone what happened. The first 10 killed/murdered mean nothing now compared to the 30-40 odd that we're shot, not murdered shot. You go there armed your intentions are pretty clear

      emilyjane.elson - 2012-08-20 12:37

      Does a policemans life mean nothing or have no worth? They die everything in their power to disperse them peacefully but No.. Barbarians cannot do anything civilly! The police had to protect themselves as well as those in the nearby township. No we must mourn people for their bad behavior??

      emilyjane.elson - 2012-08-20 12:38

      People murdered da

      sibiyaam - 2012-08-20 12:45

      Thank you Sir...

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-08-20 14:24

      aijaman: As for the UK I an tell you that the media is portraying this as a police attrocity. The part about the strikers killing security guards and police is played down to the extent that my family were totally unaware of it. Do not be suprised that the media shapes, as well as reflects, public opinion!

  • harold.parsons.37 - 2012-08-20 12:34

    This is a typical ANC ploy to turn thr criminals who carried illegal firearms and weapons into being victims. Once they get that right they will start giving them government financial assistance. the country is contolled by a mafia.

  • zaks2217 - 2012-08-20 13:02

    Why didn't the police use other means to subdue them? I'm sure we have these non lethal weapons available. How does a policeman even have the heart to pull that trigger? No value for these lives at all!

      boyisile - 2012-08-20 15:34

      @zaks2217. How would you have reacted if you are a policemen and a mob of armed men come running towards you? and you know the same mob has killed two of your colleagues two days before. Policemen also have family that loves them. I have looked at ETV video yesterday and i could see one of the protesters shooting at the police before they where killed. Let us not be judgemental and wait for the commission of inquiry to reveal what really happened. I dont condon what happened but i dont blame the police. I could have defended myself also.

  • rob.tubbs.39 - 2012-08-20 17:43

    Go boys.... There's lots of money to be made there. Turning bullets into water. You are as guilty of the killings as anybody else.

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