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Tutu reprimands Mandela memorial crowd

2013-12-10 16:46

Johannesburg - Anglican Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu reprimanded the crowd at the memorial service for former president Nelson Mandela at FNB Stadium, in Soweto, on Tuesday.

"I want to show the world we can come out here and celebrate the life of an icon," a visibly angry Tutu shouted at the crowd.

"You must show the world that we are disciplined. I want to hear a pin drop."

As he spoke, some people in the crowd started talking, and Tutu pointed at them and shouted.

"We promise God that we are going to follow the example of Nelson Mandela," he said.

Tutu spoke briefly in Afrikaans.

Afterwards, ANC deputy president Cyril Ramaphosa closed proceedings.

Singer PJ Powers and a band sang: "Nelson Mandela, there is no one like you", as the crowd filtered out of the stadium.

Earlier, Gauteng Premier Nomvula Mokonyane and Ramaphosa made a vote of thanks.

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Comments
  • Eric Breare - 2013-12-10 16:56

    You go Desmond :)

      Franky Mark - 2013-12-10 17:39

      Only one man can save the ANC - Zuma - by resigning or the ANC can save themselves by arresting and prosecuting this thief.

      Martin Flynn - 2013-12-10 17:44

      Bit harsh though, forcing the crowd to leave by getting PJ Powers to sing... there could have been a stampede!

      Jonathan Woods - 2013-12-10 17:50

      The South African majority, as represented by those at the FNB stadium, prove again that they are a savage, selfish, unmoral disgrace. All the "heartfelt interviews" prior to the memorial are brought to naught when the true character was shown at the stadium! And in other venues made available almost ZERO attendance! Reality sometimes has a very dirty face!

      Rakesh Bugwandeen - 2013-12-10 18:00

      I wonder wot religion Madiba was? Just was thinking if he was believer.

      Mpho Sefolo - 2013-12-10 19:21

      Lol, Martin! Brilliant!!

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2013-12-11 09:45

      I'm sure that in his heart Tutu was also booing Zuma. I'm sure Zuma was hoping to score some political points from the death of Madiba, instead the people let him know what they think of him.

      Andre Van Deventer - 2013-12-11 10:45

      It wasn't Afrikaans speaking people who did the booing!

  • Liezle Badenhorst - 2013-12-10 16:57

    It's cause they have no respect or even basic moral values.

      Pieter Thefuture - 2013-12-10 17:22

      I believe she was talking about the people at the stadium @Markt - or are you starting to make assumptions?

      Kiss123 - 2013-12-10 17:26

      I make no assumptions , they will boo and vote ANC.

      Gareth Coats - 2013-12-10 17:35

      RUBBISH! It is freedom of speech, freedom of expression! Exactly what Mandela fought for! He was the one who said we should fight against ANY government that oppresses us again. Signifying our dissatisfaction of a corrupt, inept, lying, thieving, bullying kleptocractic megalomaniac president is EXACTLY what Mandela would want us to do. Doing so, on the day that we celebrate his brave fight against those precise abusive qualities could not be MORE appropriate. You think those boo'ers were disrespective Madiba? They were honoring him, you and me on a global stage! I'm proud of them! Well done! Now all that's left is them to bring in a government worthy of their calls for reform!

      Kiss123 - 2013-12-10 17:39

      Gareth and that government will be ANC with a 2/3 majority ,and you expect what from whom ???

  • pumezam - 2013-12-10 16:57

    Baxelele bacinga bazothini apho

      Siyabulela Mooi - 2013-12-11 07:30

      This got thumbs down because the "Rainbow Nation" bloggers here thought you're swearing them. They couldn't learning the languages of the land in centuries since they're here. They will suddenly learn it because of Madiba's death.

  • Debi-Nikita Rathbone-Rentzke - 2013-12-10 16:58

    Disciplined my arse!

  • Jerrod Moodley - 2013-12-10 17:02

    What a lot of people probably don't get is that the sound system at the FNB Stadium is really bad if you there, you won't pick that up on the television...just a thought...some harsh comments already I see.

      Frank Coetzee - 2013-12-10 17:38

      What have it to do with the price of eggs? If I am not mistaken it was not small children but "adults" at the stadion that don't need a teacher to tell them how to behave.

  • charles.szente - 2013-12-10 17:02

    Well done Arch. I guess that is the privilege of having respect and seniority on your side. This was a PR disaster for JZ I think. RIP Tata Madiba your wisdom will be missed and is so sorely needed. I think the ANC needs to consider their options, they were treated the way they often treat others. Clay feet all around it seems.

      Patricia Dewet - 2013-12-10 23:27

      Tutu you and me have lost the kids, no more good behavior, because parents are not looking after their children. But maybe these children know this is the only way to show their dissatisfaction. the way they boo Zuma that is ok, but singing and dancing when speeches are being delivered, that is bad manners and a no no. They must think what they are doing to their parents, telling the world my parents are bad news.

  • Feeble Bongo - 2013-12-10 17:03

    Little eager beaver attention seeker Tutu. Wasn't even supposed to speak.

      Klip Indiebos - 2013-12-10 18:00

      and you must be feeble!

      Feeble Bongo - 2013-12-10 18:10

      Man, he's a little attention seeker, period. He was not on the official program, how he took over the microphone, eff-nose (didn't bother to watch, not interested). No, I'm not feeble (yet), I am Feeble. Note the "F". But I do know of a certain SOMEONE who WAS feeble....

      Vincent Auret - 2013-12-10 19:05

      @feeble: A great and kind man, a beautiful soul like Desmond Tutu is welcome to speak anywhere. You are not even worth his toe-nail clippings.

      rietjie.botes - 2013-12-10 22:52

      Shame man your life must suck hard

  • Eugene Muller - 2013-12-10 17:04

    And the word sees what has become of this once great country...and this whole 'show' backfires on Zuma. well done cANCer.

  • Ntlahla Tiva - 2013-12-10 17:04

    whats wrong with jozi people?

      Rakesh Bugwandeen - 2013-12-10 17:54

      Jozi ppl are brainless, they should have had it in his home town.

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 19:29

      Jozi is the cash cow of SA. We work really hard and get punished, etolls, for producing more capital per head than the rest of SA. We see no benefit of keeping this leech as our President. What we work for to eek out a living and support our families with he and his cronies seem to think they can abuse. Etolls, Nkandla and the road to Nkandla, Arms deal, Guptas, Shaiks, Selebi .......... numerous wives, mistresses and a couple of dozen kids, rape, failing education system. Would you like me to go on? In jozi we work long hours and now we have to pay to use roads that we have already been taxed on. We have not been offered alternative routes and every day we face potholes and crappy service delivery while being milked dry. At night when we get home, after worrying if we will be hijacked or robbed along the way, we lock ourselves into our home and pray that we will see the morning unharmed. There take that and ask whats wrong with jozi people. We hwve been pushed to the limit.

      Lynette Venter - 2013-12-11 12:50

      Well said Ann.. agree 100%.. goes for Pta ppl too!!

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-11 15:14

      Lynette these dimwits see the whole of Gauteng as Jozi, so my answer included PTA et al as well. :-)

  • Tinabtlr - 2013-12-10 17:10

    Ja Tutu. We appreciate your efforts. But SA is angry and they are not angry at Madiba. I'm afraid they will not be silenced any more. We were silent too long.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-12-11 12:21

      SA should speak through the ballot box. SA boos at funerals and put their "X" next to ANC.

  • Simon Mwando - 2013-12-10 17:13

    shame

  • nick.patsalos - 2013-12-10 17:22

    Tutu is correct. Their is a time and place for the public to vent their anger. Today was not that day!

      Bonolo Moswane - 2013-12-10 22:26

      Well said Nick

      Mike Clery - 2013-12-11 07:41

      Who makes the decision as to when it's the "right" time? This service was 90% political to start with.

  • Stephen Mulomba - 2013-12-10 17:22

    People were booing Zooommmer, that’s all, we are fed-up of his crap he deserves to be booed and the world deserves to know we are fed-up. Yes maybe the timing was wrong but in retrospect there couldn’t have been a better time. This was not some ANC rally were everybody just agrees to what the boss is saying, all walks of life were present so the true picture reflected. Only sad part is Zoooommeerrr doesn’t give a f………

      fargone - 2013-12-10 20:10

      Well said Stephen, I quite agree!

      Alan Baxter - 2013-12-11 12:05

      Well said Stephen, the people booing were honouring the freedom Madiba won for all South Africans. It would be a betrayal of all that Madiba lived for, and hypocrisy if people swallowed their disgust of Zuma and his corrupt family and associates.

  • Attie Tredoux - 2013-12-10 17:24

    Oh! What a show - while the whole world is looking to the misbehaving crowd and the theatrics of Desmond.

  • Jacques van der Merwe - 2013-12-10 17:25

    If you have 8 wives, what is the correct protocol for deciding which ones goes to official government functions?

      grant.bullimore - 2013-12-10 17:47

      Exactly what I thought. I think Zuma wakes up and gets his wives together in his bedroom, stands there in his boxers spinning a device with balls marked 1-4, he pulls out 2 balls quicker than Nimrod Nkosi and delivers the news to 2 happy women....

  • Landi Bekker Jordaan - 2013-12-10 17:26

    We should get rid of corrupt government officials and promote the appointment of people like Thuli Madonsela! She is inspiring as she puts the peoples needs before the government's and she is disciplined and will teach her nation some morals this should resolve a lot of the problems and Tutu would not need to reprimand anyone! Thuli is highly educated and would make an amazing female president!

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 18:50

      Landi I agreed with you until you brought female into it. People should not be discriminated against for any reason but should be judged on their merit.

      WILDSBOK - 2013-12-10 21:24

      Well said Landi.

      Landi Bekker Jordaan - 2013-12-11 08:07

      Ann it has nothing to do with discrimination because of gender, I simply implied most countries in the world have never had a female president and it would be amazing for women around the world and in Africa if a woman could lead the country, but it would be amazing as well to just have an educated person in control, someone who knows what they are doing!

  • George Pito - 2013-12-10 17:28

    Say no more it only proofs how different some of us are.

  • mark.heath.3388 - 2013-12-10 17:31

    You wasting your time Tutu.

  • Gemma van der Merwe - 2013-12-10 17:32

    That is what is wrong with voters in this country. When they say jump the voters jump. He says quiet, they stay quiet. It's about time that that change! Let the world see that here is troubke in paradise. We owe it to ourselves and Mandeka. We are angry witn the man.

  • Thabo Malose - 2013-12-10 17:34

    thank you mzansi u embrassed zuma, took him to the cleaners. That was fanstatic.

  • Nathan Howson - 2013-12-10 17:36

    This should have happened at the next ANC vote rally, not at Madiba's memorial service.

  • hilda.macarthur - 2013-12-10 17:38

    Do I think this event was the right time and place to show our frustrations? No. Do I blame the crowd? No. It feels like we are screaming against thunder in this country, and perhaps it was time for payback. It was probably embarrassing to SA, but with all the issues we are being bombarded with on a daily basis, what the rest of the world think is less important to me. Zuma got a shovel full of karma today. I also get the feeling that when Cyril reprimanded the crowd, the crown was passed. It will be interesting to see what comes of this, and I think the ANC will ignore it at their own peril. I think Cyril should perhaps make a few phone calls to some ANC bigwigs tonight.

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 18:51

      Spot on Hilda

  • Reghardt Van Der Westhuizen - 2013-12-10 17:41

    Lekker Desmond! What a legend. #TakeNoPrisoners

  • Thandeka Cele - 2013-12-10 17:46

    The memorial service should have been held in Durban or Cape Town. It was embarassing to see speakers being disturbed like that. From the first speaker, why was he booed? 2nd? And Nks Dlamini-Zuma we could hardly hear her!

      Craig Thom - 2013-12-10 17:53

      Its okay the people that counted were heard

  • Craig Thom - 2013-12-10 17:52

    Discipline needed from root level to the head of the snake

      rietjie.botes - 2013-12-10 22:41

      Rather would say from head of snake to root level.

  • Ernest Dicker - 2013-12-10 17:54

    Its not the crowd Tutu. They are sick of Zuma. Madiba would never have spent so much on his Qunu home. Wake up and smell the roses!

  • Binne Goed - 2013-12-10 17:54

    Look, this unruly behaviour is nothing new. I can recall how Mandela himself on numerous occasions had to discipline the crowd when he spoke. Uneducated, that's all. Don't know any better.

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 18:57

      No Binne not uneducated just really fed up with Zuma

      George Slade - 2013-12-10 20:54

      No Ann --UNEDUCATED !

  • Gavin Van Wyk - 2013-12-10 17:54

    The sad fact is most of these people causing the trouble couldn't give a damn about Mr Mandela's legacy.They are just a bunch of drunken, uneducated peasants who thought this was an opportunity to have a free for all party. Somebody commented that all this rain must be Mr Mandela's tears from heaven.

      Charmerboy Ninenine - 2013-12-10 18:44

      Even more sad is that there are more people like u looking for any opportunity to spread what Madiba spent his life fighting for; Hatred, prejudice and intolerance. Why so much bitterness Oom Gavin? Feel sad for white people like u yaz'mara

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 19:06

      Gavin I listened to some interviews on 702, you really should try listening to it sometime if your prejudiced brain can handle it, mainly with people had been at the memorial. These people, well educated and intelligent, who had bood ZUMA are fed up with good rational arguments to back their actions. Charmerboy, love your name :), people like Gavin don't deserve your notice. Or mine for that matter.

  • Khuliso Mutsha - 2013-12-10 18:01

    I feel suddened that the crowed that was in that stadium disrepected Nelson Mandela so badly, even before Jacob Zuma arrived at the stadium, while speakers where addressing gatherings the crowed was singing and dancing, Indian president had to pause, that was the sign of todays lack of understanding of what that event was aboy, this trend of ill disciplined we see it at school and everywhere, something is going very wrong with people, i am more annoid with that Celtics suporter who goes to every soccer game, he was singing and dancing throughout, even when there was a plea to sattle down, him and his group disregarde every instruction.

  • Sonnyboy Mathebula - 2013-12-10 18:14

    hahahahahahahahahhaha TUTU UR A MAN LOl

  • Antionette Nene Rivisi - 2013-12-10 18:23

    This was really not the time nor the place to throw the frutrations around and be rude to our vistors. The main purpose was to listen and pay attention to what the speakers had to say about Kokwani Mandela not to be paused to call for quietness among the poeple on the stands. If you ask some of those who were in the stadium what message did they received from the speakers, the would tell you " I was singing and did not hear a single word". We must not hang our dirty laundries for the world to see. That was pure disrespect for Kokwani Mandela and some of us who listened and learned more from our speakers.

      rietjie.botes - 2013-12-10 22:36

      Actually the purpose was to celebrate Tata's life, where was the singers, dancers and children, one boring speech after the other. No essence of Tata there, very disappointed

  • Ashley Gerard Eloff-Mueller - 2013-12-10 18:27

    Jacob booma

  • Ernest Dicker - 2013-12-10 18:47

    Madiba ensured that freedom of expression was enshrined in our constitution...why did Ramaphosa have to shut his own people up in their own language on world wide TV when they booed Zuma. Zuma deserves what he gets!

  • Sello Mafeta - 2013-12-10 18:47

    the problem is Zuma Ramaphosa realised its unfortunate

  • Sipho Zulu - 2013-12-10 18:50

    Ha! Tutu out of all! himself do not have respect to other leaders like Zuma...last time he was the one needed to be reprimanded....First take look @yoself before reprimanding tutu!!

  • Jonas Mpofu - 2013-12-10 18:51

    Geez...South Africa's can be embarrassing at times.I bet someone is going to try and take pictures of Madiba's body tomorrow at Nelson Mandela Amphitheater

  • Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 18:54

    Did anyone else notice that the Archbishop had Winnie in stitches ? She was having a good chuckle.

  • ravikesh.kalicharran - 2013-12-10 19:07

    The Arch should of acted sooner. Disgusting behaviour by the crowd.

  • ravikesh.kalicharran - 2013-12-10 19:10

    The Arch should have reprimanded the crowd sooner. What disgusting behaviour.

  • john.benet.14 - 2013-12-10 19:11

    Eff

  • Thanyani Realwise - 2013-12-10 19:18

    Today was not declared a public holiday remember. Only hooligans were at the stadium whereas the working class was at work. No wonder there was no order. ANC planned this so that the working class and well educated south africans were at work.

      philip.buys.1 - 2013-12-10 19:27

      Yeah right, every company i know gave their employees the choice to go to the stadium. Your view is wrong. I rather think the ship is sinking.

      hilda.macarthur - 2013-12-10 20:07

      I have to agree with Philip here, the company I'm currently consulting at gave their employees the opportunity to attend, without digging into their leave. It was 100 percent billable.

  • Lynda Pitcher - 2013-12-10 19:21

    The people were cold and wet, the speeches were dreadful, except for Obama, the big screens were not working, some of the speeches were not in English and we couldn't hear the interpreter. Most people wanted to sing and dance, not listen to the same thing over and over. It was like reprimanding a class of kids when the teacher was unprepared......and Zuma was booed by everyone, because lets face it we've all had enough of his nonsense

  • James Bwob - 2013-12-10 19:32

    HTF do u expect to hear a pin drop when that analjammin vuvuzela is allowed in the stadium???

  • Mfelasakhe Mahlangu - 2013-12-10 19:32

    This only shows that we are far from being a united nation. On the day that we had to show unity we chose to show our true colours. This was not the the platform to sort out political differences, the elections are coming. Shame on all those idiots.

  • Andre Moreson - 2013-12-10 19:37

    At Madiba's funeral, a praise singer was used to introduce Jacob Zuma! A funeral of a moral icon; a praise singer for a man who avoids his day in court. Thats' immoral! Then the band had to play to stop the boo'ing at Zuma! Compare that to Thabo's warm welcome - wie laaste lag lag die lekkerste. Time for Zuma to go, but he controls the security apparatus and ANC, so the ANC will lose votes while the country suffers. Even Obama went off about one term vs... Tutu must be very disapointed with the ANC leadership ( and the fruit of ungovernability of the townships and liberation before education ). One day, we will miss Tutu very much!

      Ann Ornelas - 2013-12-10 20:16

      Andre That Karma she is a beech. What goes around, kry vir jou Zuma

  • Trevor Kent - 2013-12-10 19:41

    The people made their voice heard loud and clear and the world heard. They are tired of the thief and his merry men. Zuma and his hangers on must go!!! The people want the ideals of Nelsons Legacy and not Zuma's principals, equal to those of Magabe, all for one and none for the people. Thanks for highlighting the protest call both your and Ceril's with calls help those present and the TV world to take notice. The country has become a joke. Hahahahahaha

  • Hosni Mubar - 2013-12-10 19:44

    The reprimands by Desmond and Cyril were completely unnecessary.

  • Banele Mfaca - 2013-12-10 19:48

    how can we survivor as a country without mandiba

      James Bwob - 2013-12-10 19:50

      Mandiba? Anyway ur right, let us all commit suicide!

  • Vuyisa Nhlabati - 2013-12-10 19:57

    Eeerrr.. Mr Tutu.. How could you expect to hear a pin drop when you yourself were screaming louder than the speakers and vuvuzelas??.. Oh, if you ask me, I think I saw a stain of red wine on your chest..

  • Khuliso Mutsha - 2013-12-10 20:00

    I am sorry to say this but i attended the course last week, we where given hostels which are used by school kids to be our accodation for that period, we find those facilities clean, toilets cleaned, and spotless, but our folkes, black people, we were only blacks there, urinated on the sits, broke yoilet sits, left tissue paper props on inside water closets, vandalised walls...Whats Wrong with the thinking of some black south africans, today we had to honour the father of this nation, we where honoured by greatest statesman of the World, while Obam was talking, some peoplewhere singing and dancing behind his stage, thats a black south african man. Damn!

      Paljas Paljassie - 2013-12-10 20:10

      You only earn respect by showing respect and unfortunately most of the black people lacks it. Sorry to say. And because one gets upset seeing how disrespectfull they are you get called aLl sorts of names including the favourite "rascist".