Tutu urges SA to give Dalai Lama a visa

2011-08-28 22:15

Johannesburg - Archbishop Desmond Tutu has urged the government to grant the Dalai Lama a visa to attend his 80th birthday party after South Africa denied a visa request in 2009.

Tutu will turn 80 on October 7.

The country barred the Tibetan spiritual leader from visiting, saying it did not want to jeopardise ties with China, a key economic partner whose relations with the Dalai Lama have been strained for decades.

"I have invited His Holiness the Dalai Lama to attend my 80th birthday celebrations in Cape Town," Tutu told the Sunday Independent newspaper.

"I am delighted that His Holiness has accepted the invitation. I am hopeful that our government will facilitate the necessary travel documentation," he said.

Citing "diplomatic sources", the paper said the Dalai Lama, who lives in exile in India, requested a visa in June from South Africa's High Commission in New Delhi, but the embassy claimed it has not received the request.

The Tibetan leader's staff will file another visa request on Monday, according to the Sunday Independent.

Peace conference

"As soon as he applies, New Delhi will alert Pretoria and his visa application will be considered," interior ministry spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa said, adding "the visa will be considered on its merits, according to the normal procedures".

The Dalai Lama had planned to take part in a peace conference connected to the 2010 World Cup, but when his 2009 visa request was denied, the talk was called off after Tutu and fellow Nobel laureate FW de Klerk pulled out in protest.

Foreign Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane said that the Dalai Lama was welcome to visit South Africa and described the earlier decision as poor communication by the government.

But the government also admitted that the move was made in order not to "jeopardise" ties with China.

The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in India since 1959 when he fled an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in Tibet.

He says he wants better treatment for Tibetans and accepts Chinese rule, but Beijing accuses him of being a "splittist" and opposes his regular meetings with foreign leaders.

The 76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize laureate recently stepped down as the head of Tibet's government in exile, but he is expected to retain significant influence on major policy decisions.

  • Lestor - 2011-08-28 21:19

    Hasn't he heard of the one china policy? I mean hell we don't recognize Taiwan as independent and our government normally jumps on supporting people like that. But china will not trade with anyone who does not recognize china as a single entity, the Dalai Lama is an icon for those who want to break away form the "one china" china will pressure all countries to stop the Dalai Lama going anywhere.

      slg - 2011-08-29 03:36

      The choice is currie favour from China or stand by high principles of self-determination and freedom from oppression. Having gone through Apartheid, I would have thought the choice would be clear and easy. Apparently not.

      onetickie - 2011-08-29 07:16

      Tutu has lost all credibility around the world since his inane and disgusting comments about whites. The Dalai Lama is a true spiritual visionary, very different from a mere mortal attempting to portray Godly thoughts/ways.

      Little Jim - 2011-08-29 10:12

      YO LESTER..THE MOLESTER...the Dalai Lama has nothing to do with the one Chinas policy, you chop. The Dalai Lama is the siritual head of Tibet, a country that is occupied by China. The Chinese dont want countries like SA to allow access to him because they are afraid that their bloody occupation will make the news. SA certainly wont give the Dalai Lama a visa as it is a rogue country, promoting 'democracy' but in reality is no better than Cuba, North Korea and China on the world diplomatic stage. Sa never does what is morally right when it comes to matters like this but rather bend sover and get it from behind from China because money talks and morals and principle walks!!

      willieman - 2011-08-29 10:40

      If the SA goverment do not issue visa this time,then we can cofidently say China is controlling this goverment.Another super power has replaced the so-called imperialists and colonisers,it makes you think ne!!!

      wsm - 2011-08-29 19:37

      When will Tutu learn to shut up? He is a false prophet that like to make the headline (a publicity-seeking freak).

  • tiotudg - 2011-08-28 21:28

    Tutu is 'n vermetele foefie wat net sensasie soek - waarom is sy 80e verjaarsdag van belang en te meer waarom sal die DaLai Lama dit wil bywoon?

      daaivark - 2011-08-29 07:09

      Met respek, Jy het geen benul van die saak nie.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-08-29 09:09

      @daaivark - Presies. Tiotudg, gaan lees 'n boek. Tutu, Mandela & Biko are some of the greatest people the world has seen in the last 50odd years. People that stood by their beliefs and not by their pockets like most social/governmental/commuity leaders. Why is it of importance? Because if it wasn't for people like Mandela and Tutu you and me would probably be dead right now. Also, eventho he was a pillar of the anti-apartheid movement especially garnering support from the international community, he has stayed true to the idea of a rainbow nation for ALL and not just for "one" political party.

      daaivark - 2011-08-29 11:48

      @Pencilgraffiti: Nog meer presies. Pragtig gestel.

      Looter - 2011-08-29 12:23

      PencilGraffiti, with all respect you read some books, Tutu, Mandela & Biko are people who got famous for their actions when many millions before them died with no such glory! Those are definitely not the only heroes in recent history!

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-08-29 13:22

      @ Looter - i said "some of". i definitely don't think they were the only heroes of pre-1994 South Africa. I am sure there were thousands, and more. I mentioned Biko and Mandela with Tutu because Tio asked why he is of importance. Tutu, in my view is extremely important still today because of his voice. I don't always agree with it but he always has a point and he is not afraid to say it. He is someone who deserves A LOT of respect and personally i don't think he gets nearly enough. Especially from the political group he helped empower

  • Real Deal - 2011-08-28 21:28

    Tutu must toot off!

      daaivark - 2011-08-29 07:09

      What an inane remark.

  • Veld66 - 2011-08-28 21:45

    He must be allowed in Visa free, he is a fighter for human freedom. South Africa must stop pussy catting to those bloody Chinese for the sake of their fong kong goods.Gaddafi come here visa free while slaughtering innocent Libyans.

      mbube - 2011-08-29 09:04

      Oh please. He fights for both independence and feudalism, and thinks himself as a God king. People are quick to forget the horrors in the old Tibet where punishments included blinding and flogging to death for disobedience. His friends who include Shoko Asahara of the terrorist Supreme Truth cult who spread nerve gas in the subways of Tokyo, who donated $1.2million to the Lama and held regular meetings. He banned the worship of Dorge Shugden an ancient worship object in Tibet and threatened followers with violence and excommunication. His Buddhist philosophy is just as hysterical as any other crackpot religion. Thinking we are just a reincarnate cycle in life while endorsing the nuclear weapons program of India and coming up with such visionary imagery as "Using one's hand, that is sexual misconduct."

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-08-29 09:14

      Scary thought but all too true.. Eventho Gaddafi lied to Zuma in his face, telling him he was ready to step down, Zuma still supported him and his word. Meanwhile our President refuses the dalai lama entry, holds hands with Mugabe, avoids the prosecution of his own corrupt ministers and rather prosecutes a man who dropped some whisky next to him...

      umlaut - 2011-08-29 09:37

      mbube--)) bishop tutu thinks he is a saint--so you are saying that if tutu is a friend of this guy that tutu has lost his holyness---'you will be judged by your friends', will always hold true -so tutu has again made a fool of himself.

      mbube - 2011-08-29 11:21

      @umlaut. It was more a response to this idea that the Dalai Lama is somehow a fighter for freedom and dignity. But very few know the shady history of their order. How they had slaves and a barbarous feudal rule before they were sucked in by China. People think of Tibet as this idealistic place, little do they know of the horrors of Old Tibet. The world thinks he is a saint, just like they did of that hater of the poor, Albanian dwarf, demagogue "Mother" Theresa. But they will thumbs down me instead of taking up the challenge of proving my assertions as false. Tutu and no other of my fellow mammals are holy. But he clearly supports a man who's order have for generations oppressed the people of Tibet. And I don't see why anyone would want to give that ghastly experiment another go.

  • Casie - 2011-08-28 22:05

    Isn't Llama too white for tutu?

  • Macho Mike - 2011-08-28 22:07

    Eish, i don't see what the fuss is about my China!!!!!!

      Philip Lam - 2011-08-28 23:10

      China, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Iran, Burma, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela etc etc are just birds of a feather. They flock together and feel comfortable only in the company of despots and dictators. They will never like the Dalai Lama, who is fighting against the Chinese regime's bloody annexation of Tibet in 1949 and the many atrocities committed by the murderous Chinese on the Tibetans between 1949 and 2011. Wake up! Tutu has got a point there!

      Macho Mike - 2011-08-28 23:46

      @logicIQ - thanks - did not know you used toilet paper to wipe your face

      Real Deal - 2011-08-28 23:49

      some good countries in that list:-)

      Hedda-Louise - 2011-08-29 08:25

      Philip Lam you forgot Russia and other East European countries....all flock together with our morons

      cerveza - 2011-08-29 08:44

      @Hedda - Please explain how the "other East European countries...." falls into the list? The Dalia Lama has representatives living and working in Eastern Europe and often refers to the peaceful transition that happened in most of eastern Europe as an example for the different nationalities in China in a quest for equality, tolerance and human rights. I think your mindset is still hung up on pre 1990 times, many things has happened since then....

  • Rob Rabbit - 2011-08-28 22:10

    It is a heresy that South Africa can die a peaceful man like Dalai Lama into our country. What do these idiot politicians smoke?

      logicIQ - 2011-08-28 23:05

      Do you speak English?

      Macho Mike - 2011-08-28 23:08

      Yes,but the pot she does make me talk funnily.

      daaivark - 2011-08-29 07:10


  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-28 22:10

    Cant Tutu go there, and stay there..

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-08-28 22:12

    What? You want South Africa to side with human rights? Never! We go for the tin pot dictators and tyrants any day.

  • Lump of coal - 2011-08-28 22:29

    I reckon Tutu benefitted from colonialism/apartheid ..... tell me how else he would have been saved if the white man had not shown him the bible ?????? Just wondering !!!!!

      logicIQ - 2011-08-28 23:06

      Racist troll.

      onetickie - 2011-08-29 07:20

      Really LumpofCoal: (black coal, white coal or inbetween?? Tutu has lost his credibilty, used to respect him a bit but think he's starting on the Alzheimers/Dementia path.

  • Seth - 2011-08-28 23:10

    You tell'em Tutu. I hope his birthday is a blast! And that Dalai Lama can attend.

  • Dog!! - 2011-08-28 23:19

    My Toeter scooter!!! Tutu seeks sensation! Blame the government for being rasict maybe they will provide the Dalai Lama with a yellow, green and white robe!!

      daaivark - 2011-08-29 07:12

      What a skaap.

      tiotudg - 2011-08-31 05:07

      DAAIVARK, Dit neem 'n groot skaap om 'n klein skapie raak te sien - kyk in die spiee"l

  • Sean - 2011-08-28 23:50

    Tutu you are past your sell by date even by biblical standards.ANd you constantly contradict yourself.BUT at least you have finally ended up where you belong - in a cartoon

  • MightyApe - 2011-08-29 01:53

    Look's like Tutu does not have any friends left in SA or he wants to re-kindle the unification of all world religions. The Dalai is a nice man; the two deserve each other.

      onetickie - 2011-08-29 07:24

      And you, MightyApe are just that: an APE (sorry to the animal Ape's). How can you link the Dalai Lama to Tutu??? What do you know about SPIRITUALITY AND SPIRITUAL BELIEFS? Why does the Dalai Lama deserve 'tutu'? Go get an education you mighty moron.

  • Ndlovu - 2011-08-29 07:16

    ...VISA is plural, VISUM is singular but you are right... give him a Visum and another one to Malema... may be for Venezuela... so thats two visa!

      cerveza - 2011-08-29 08:30

      @Ndlovu - I think you are mixing your Latin/Germanic. "Visum" is used in SA in Afrikaans (which uses the word from the Germanic form) while "Visa" is used in English (from the Latin form). So while "Visum" is used in almost all Germanic based languages, since the article is in English, Visa is the correct word to use with Visas as plural.

      Seth - 2011-08-29 09:56

      Redwine - 2011-08-29 13:20

      Actualy we do not need a visa for Venezuela one of the few countries that will let us in. This is my pick for a topic why can the American idiots visit any country they like without the need of a visa but we can go nowhere even GB is now closed for us. Zuma should be ashamed at his ability to make friends.

  • 50something - 2011-08-29 07:40

    Will never happen - China holds SA to randsom as well

      jen - 2011-08-29 07:57

      The whole of Africa actually. The already control most of the mining and infrastructure in East Africa. It is a sad day when the Chinese Triad can run wild in SA, but the Dalai Lama is refused entry.

  • Davearch - 2011-08-29 08:49

    Ag, when will he talk about REAL issues .. like Cele, like Zuma's wealth, like ANC corruption ... STOP HIDING behind non issues !!!

      willieman - 2011-08-29 11:02

      obviuosly you did not comprehend what he said i suggest you get an interpreter or you got selective hearing or reading

  • Debonaire - 2011-08-29 09:18

    China is busy colonising us from behind cant interrupt a good one

  • Monacoroyals - 2011-08-29 09:43

    I used too have so much respect for tutu... But he lost his credibility with me when he started getting involved in politics rather than the church - with age some say come wisdom... I believe with too much age comes mental instability. For example; a tax on a generation that has had nothing to do with Apartheid? His meddling in middle eastern affairs when we have so many problems of our own. His silence on atrocities carried out by the ruling party. His silence on land issues that my hurt our supply of food in the future. His silence about the biggest racist and most dangerous man in Africa - Malema! Tutu should be remembered for what he has done in the past for South Africa... however, his new idea' and suggestions are not always in South Africa's interest. Either way… Happy Birthday Tutu.

      willieman - 2011-08-29 11:06

      " used too have so much respect for tutu" obviously you do not know the history behind the Arch,and you just get on the band wagon of HEARSAY POLITICS.DOyourself a favour read about the man

  • Bankai - 2011-08-29 09:49

    Bishop we get it its your birthday but we love money more than Holiness so go have your birthday party at Dalai Lama's house case closed not Visa for him

  • beicime - 2011-08-29 10:03

    Tutu is thinking like white man. If the Weetsrn Workd gives an entry visa to Dalai Lama, it's obvious that South Africa has to show to the Wester World how politics is played. The Dalai Lama is a man of peace and therefore incompatible with South Africa internal and external policies. Wake up Bishop!

  • willieman - 2011-08-29 10:48

    @ onetickie ,kindly read the whole report and make an informed decision,i suspect that you did not read what he said.I thank you

  • nefa - 2011-08-29 10:50

    I honestly don't think Tutu is the issue here! The fact that SA might refuse the Dalai Lama Entrance yet again, is absolutely disgusting! And makes me embarrassed to call my self a South African.

  • AJ - 2011-08-29 11:09

    If I could fly half way around the world for a party, I doubt I would choose someone's 80th as the occasion to do it? Yawn..

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-08-29 11:30

    Can you can bet your bottom dollar that if Tibet were occupied by a White, Western nation South Africa would be clamouring for Chinese withdrawal immediately. In fact, so would the rest of the sorry Third World states. But because they're in the pockets of the Chinese Commies, they keep quiet. They only call for human rights when it suits THEIR own political agenda. I say FREE TIBET. And let the Dalai Lama come and visit us.

  • acsteyn - 2011-08-29 12:05

    Desmond Now Now. Don't act like an impetulant child. You know the Chinese hate Tibet and specially the Dalai Lama? And Zuma is in bed with China. Get a grip Give him a call.

  • Jon - 2011-08-29 13:39

    honestly who really cares about this story? NOT ME!!!

      tiotudg - 2011-08-31 21:05

      Jon, Dit is ooglopend dat jy omgee - daarom neem jy deel aan die bespreking, of hoe?

  • Jon - 2011-08-29 15:35

    this oak has become a JOKE!!!

  • zulu 13 - 2011-08-30 13:06

    Don't be fooled by the Dalai Lama's smiling face and giggles. He persecutes people in his own country for following a Buddhist practice that he banned to further his political agenda. Read the book He ain't no saint.

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