UJ applicants cause traffic congestion

2011-01-11 07:18

Johannesburg - Metro police warned motorists on Tuesday to avoid roads near the University of Johannesburg, where thousands of late applicants were causing traffic congestion.

"It's heavy," said Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar.

"Metro police have been deployed to Kingsway Road in Auckland Park to monitor the situation and assist with traffic as thousands of students have gone to the university early this morning (Tuesday)."

UJ's registrar, Professor Marie Muller, said the flood in late applications could be attributed to the increase in the "number of National Senior Certificate holders in Gauteng that obtained University admission in the 2010 exams", compared to last year.

The university received 63 400 applications for 2011 first year undergraduate studies in the dedicated application period in 2010.

"The university's pre-selection is based on Grade 11 results and UJ conditionally admitted 17 500 applicants."

Applicants upset

Spokesperson Herman Esterhuizen said on Monday that every late application was given an application form.

"But some were still upset because they thought that they could arrive at the university and register. It just doesn't work like that.

"Some applicants were quite upset and had to be escorted off the campus."

Muller said UJ may enrol 48 000 students in 2011 and this included all undergraduate and postgraduate students.

She also reminded applicants that "compliance with the minimum admission requirements does not guarantee a study place at UJ".

- Are you there? Share your experiences with us

  • Hermann - 2011-01-11 07:47

    Watch the press for further details. Don't want to sound negative, but where a pot overflows, there is always problems.

  • egmaarman - 2011-01-11 07:48

    Weren't these kids suppose to apply last year June already? That's the norm at Cape Town universities to avoid what's happening now, I would rather pay that application fee and avoid what's happening now.

      Ichabod - 2011-01-11 08:13

      You can't apply in June 2010 when your matric results only come out in January 2011.

      Observer - 2011-01-11 08:23

      @ Ichabod - I believe students can apply for early acceptance, based on their end of Grade 11 marks, and whatever results they have from their matric year. At least that's how it worked when I applied, and that was only a few years ago. Although I think you can only get a conditional acceptance, and you then submit your final results which, as long as they meet the minimum requirement, should be enough to get you fully accepted. It seems though that these students at UJ are going through the whole process today.

      ekke - 2011-01-11 08:27

      Ag Ichabod, you also only waited for your matric results NOW to apply, hey? EVERYONE who applies before June 2010/or whatever the closing date is, do so with their end of Grade 11 year's results, and your results you already obtained in your matric year's earlier exams! Are you just STUPID>!?

      AJ - 2011-01-11 08:40

      @Ichabod, same goes for students wanting to apply for overseas universities. You supply your mid-year / earlier exams then when you you get your end of year results, you submit them too..

      Brandon96end - 2011-01-11 08:41

      Clearly you are a genius in your own right. Care much for facts?

      Chris - 2011-01-11 10:12

      Sure, most of the late applicants are prob black. They however also have dream of a better life and quite frankly doesnt have the support base (a home or school) like the white kids who apply. I feel sorry for them, caught in a perpetual trap.

      Chris - 2011-01-11 13:22

      @NL I hear you my man. Its is not that clear cut. Then you are saying what Pastor James Manning is saying?

      lakhan7 - 2011-01-12 11:30

      RACE aside ...the Dean and university heads should have ancipated this ...and catered for it in advance. Lack of communication and the greed to fill classes causes these stresses on our earger youth. University is a business, and business is dirty. ALL OTHER UNIVERSITIES RAN SMOOTHLY THIS YEAR. Why did UJ mess up? I just hope that this wasnt a sadistic ploy by some. I would like black students to give me feedback on how they are treated, I have to take this up...

      ferialm - 2012-01-09 08:20

      @lakhan7 its not greed to fill spaces. It is that the UJ is the only university that offers from certificates till degrees. so everyone thinks they can study here. Its a political thing as well... UJ takes on the first time student that doesnt have internet access and who didnt know that he must apply in October last year with grade 11 results. The same student that most other universities will never consider.

  • Wendy - 2011-01-11 07:57

    Typical 3rd world chaos

      Baloo - 2011-01-11 08:58

      And the racists just wait to crawl out the woodwork. Ai tog.

      jws.paterson - 2011-01-11 09:15

      People clamouring to get into tertiary education is a 3rd world problem? Does that make sense to you Wendy? When you think of 3rd world, that's what you think of? No, this is a result of matric marks being bumped. Most of these were probably not eligible based on Std 9 marks, and now all of a sardine are.

      Gazza Boy - 2011-01-11 09:19

      Yes Baloo but you and I know that it is true.

      Phenyo Shabangu - 2011-01-11 13:59

      Shame Wendy. Leave the country if youre not happy with it. Most of these kids will be more qualified than you one day>>>>> FACT!!!!

      lakhan7 - 2011-01-12 11:56

      Well my dear... the 1st world has no jobs... thats why you are here ;)

  • Brandon96end - 2011-01-11 08:10

    Mamparras. You had to apply last year, you bunch of rocket scientists.

  • mmonaledi - 2011-01-11 08:16

    UJ are completely and utterly useless. My sisters applied before the closing date last year. We did not hear anything from them so i had to call them to ask them what was going on. The lady was like 'oh yes they are on the system and their application is still pending' i do not understand why they could not send mail to that effect. Now my sisters had to stand in the LOOOOOOOOONG general enquiries line and were told they must fill in application forms again. I honestly do not know what to do. i tried calling them yesterday and this morning. the phone rings and then mysteriously gets engaded. I am very worried about my sister's education and they are behaving like its our fault that they are so DISORGANISED! Their customer service is just outrageously BAD!

      Kirsty - 2011-01-11 08:41

      Has your sister submitted her matric results yet? Because the appl is normally pending until the actual results are received. The student can only be admitted properly once the university has confirmation of the matric pass. You need to be patient - the admin at UJ are trying to deal with tens of thousands of students who are trying to get in now because the students weren't organised enough to submit their applications on time. I went to UJ for my undergrad and found them the most organised institution

      Thor - 2011-01-11 08:50

      This is the same way government institutions function. Have you tried dealing with City of Joburg or Department of Home affairs? It should therefore be fine for UJ to be the same or not. This is the example set by the ANC and don't anyone dare critisise that. The ANC is always correct according to the majority so then why complain about UJ its the way the majority like it...

      Totman - 2011-01-11 09:10

      Sorry for your sisters. They are most probably victims of this every year illegal rush. UJ had never had this problems until some people stopped using the right system and rush in like what happened now. I suggest you tell your sisters to object to this illegal rush, because they have done it right and now get possibly denied from there right that they deserved through working very hard in there respectable schooling careers.

      mmonaledi - 2011-01-11 09:16

      well, i sent my friend who is a UJ student already. They told her that they could not find the application forms, it turned out they had gone for capturing. she went there again last week with the matric results in hand and no one could help her. I mean, honestly, what are my girls supposed to do? My sisters went yesterday to submit their results. They were in that chaos UJ calls a line for 6 hours and in the end were just told to fill in application forms AGAIN. I am just so very worried. i have tried calling both the admissions offices and faculty offices, no one answers the phones :(. PLEASE HELP ME! i just want my sisters to have a good education.

      Totman - 2011-01-11 10:05

      I think the fact you can't get hold of them can be because they need to use all people to help.. You must realized that they are now dealing with a lot of angry people. By dealing with them and rejecting most of them they indirectly protect your girls's applications to ensure that, being on time, they not losing out cos of people who are applying late. For their sake I hoping I am reading it right. Good luck!!!!

      mmonaledi - 2011-01-11 10:08

      JUST got through ot UJ, they tell me my sisters are in the system as LATE applicants... WTF? what is wrong with these people? wat?

      ferialm - 2012-01-09 08:25

      You dont need to submit matric results there is an electronic system that now matches your results. It has nothing to do with the ANC - noone will cope with the sheer mass of applicants on the limited recources.

  • Bman_01 - 2011-01-11 08:19

    They work off grade 11 papers whats the bet grade 12 paper marks are much better than the grade 11 due to the %10 that goverment increased them by.

  • mmonaledi - 2011-01-11 08:28

    COULD someone, anyone tell me what im supposed to do. PLEASE!

      fhumulani - 2011-01-11 08:39

      what does your sis intend to study?

      jvandm - 2011-01-11 08:51

      Try another university...seems like UJ is extremely disorganised. If they are disorganised in their admissions, the will disorganised in everything else as well, so you're looking to 4 years of admin hell. You can also go work somewhere this year, apply before the closing date in June and avoid the chaos.

  • Kirsty - 2011-01-11 08:30

    Why didn't these student apply last year? They could've applied with their grade 11 results - like everyone else does. If they aren't organised enough to apply by the right deadline, they probably shouldn't be going to the varsity. Or just wait a year?

  • chantalkruger - 2011-01-11 08:30

    As a previous student at UJ, there is nothing wrong with the application process, appl woth grade 11 marks, get pre-approved and then submit your final marks. This is a lesson to current school goers, you can't slack off tiLl matric then get good grades and expect acceptance. Go work for a year and apply next year. Rules are rules!!!

  • siphosonke.ndlovu - 2011-01-11 08:32

    l thought it is a general requirement that the applications for any university admissions are done using grade 11 results prior for the following year... Typical of South Africans, we leave everything to the last mili-second! Same on the fire-arms licesnsing applications! same for driver's license applications! This shows that we do not take our education seriously! Don't blame the university, don't blame the government.... You are to blame!!!

      Thor - 2011-01-11 08:52

      Dam straight, you hit the nail on the head..

  • Kirsty - 2011-01-11 08:34

    Why didn't these students apply by the actual deadline with their Grade 11 results like everyone else does?! They can't expect to be admitted now that people who actually applied on time have been given places. Hate to say it but maybe they shouldn't be going to that varsity if they can't even stick to a simple deadline.

      masterjane007 - 2011-01-11 09:24

      hear hear! Exactly why you cannot trust a university degree anymore these days. Having a degree used to mean that you were a certain type of person. The type of person who attended to your school work during your entire school career and consistantly scored marks compliant with University admission standards. Thus, you could apply to study on your Std.9 results. There were hardly ever any kids who scored higher in their Matric exams than previously. Most kids had worse results in Matric than the rest of their school career. Because getting Matric was tough and you did not get half your marks for free. You were also the kind of person who would actually make sure you know what needs to happen for you to go study and you applied in time. You kept to deadlines and did everything right, otherwise you were left behind. That is what distinguished a university graduate from any other person. That is why it was possible for employers to employ graduates and know they were getting a great person. Nowadays this is so far from the truth it is frightening. Nowadays the new "systems" create these little monsters whom you would rather not have anywhere near your business. Nowadays it is better to employ a mere Matriculant as they at least do not come with the stinking attitude most graduates come with these days. An attitude handed to them by the new "system". Disgraceful.

      NL - 2011-01-11 11:04

      @masterjane007 - so, so true, and I'm black. Clearly they have to work less harder to get degrees these days. It's so sad.

  • fhumulani - 2011-01-11 08:36

    ag poor freshus

  • siphosonke.ndlovu - 2011-01-11 08:37

    When are we going to catch a wake up? l thought it was a university requirement that first year prospective students apply a year earlier using grade 11 results? South Africans like leaving things to the last minute... look at how the driving linsense was handled! What about the fire arms lisensing? Don't blame the universities... don't blame the government... blame yourself! This shows that we are not taking education seriously... l hope the situations at UJ is going to be managed properly to avoid damage to property and injury!

  • Mark - 2011-01-11 08:45

    I can't speak for any of the other faculties but I always found that registration for Science runs really quickly and smoothly. It is best to put in your application the year before though, it speeds things up when you go to register. This will be my fifth year and it's been really smooth every year so far.

  • Freakfloyd - 2011-01-11 08:53

    Nobody in his/her right mind apply now, Everyone apply the year while in Gr12, You know what you want to do, if you have to wait for your results before you can apply, you are not University material, Finish & Klaar. Get them out of there, use police on horseback, use water, use what ever means possible, But let them get the message loud and clear, You are not going to make it, even to mid term,

  • AllieG - 2011-01-11 08:55

    Why are we that stupid in this country? Obtaining a basic education means attending school, that is compulsory education. If you obtain the correct marks at the end of grade 11, you apply to be enrolled at the University of your Choice the year after matric based on grade 11 results. If it then happens that you don’t pass matric, you will not be accepted. If by the grace of God you suddenly have a matric exemption, or by the grace of some corrupt official, you cannot just walk up to the university and demand to be enrolled, this is not school, no one can force them to take on more students than they can accommodate, you will have to wait a year, before applying. The solution, you should have worked harder while you were at school.

  • di - 2011-01-11 09:51

    Just fills one with hope for the future doesn't it! The intelligentia and leaders of the future ... eish!

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-01-11 12:19

    Eishhh ! When are us Africans ever going to get anything right. We need a new circus master !!!!

  • Hilda - 2011-01-11 12:23

    It seems that none of you are actually aware of how University enrolment and registration works, so perhaps you should stick to what you know - this is by the way not the first time this has happened, it's every year and keep in mind that often these students applications are dependant on finding a sponsor. Sponsor usually only make their decisions based on the final matric results. Cut them a bit of slack - I would also stand in a 5km que if there was suddenly a chance that I might get into University.

      Colourblind - 2011-01-11 12:57

      You can still apply, be provisionally accepted and cancel your registration if you just missed the cut in matric or couldn't get a sponsor, can't you?

  • Chloe - 2011-01-11 13:23

    Does anyone know what the bulk of these students are enrolling for? Which degrees are in the popularity stakes? Would love to know. Why UJ? Is UJ slowly veering away from the science degrees in general?

      ferialm - 2012-01-09 08:39

      Why UJ? Because UJ is the only university in the country that offers a range of qualifications. It is what is called "access to education". You can start off at certificate level and end off at post graduate level. As a result every single student is taking a shot in the dark to see if they can get a space.

  • dumblond - 2011-01-11 14:07

    Strange how so many matriculants with African names in traditionally named African township schools managed an "A" for Life Orientation this year - since gr11 & gr12 LO subject demanded several projects such as "career & study choices" + completing an actual tersiary study application form ( which all indicate that you need to submit your Gr11 marks + deadline dates for applications ) one can only assume that because LO was internally moderated by their own school, the "A" symbol is not a true reflection of the pupils capabilities... a point proven by the queing masses. sad.

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