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Umalusi: Education system not functioning well

2012-12-28 19:23

Johannesburg - The public must realise that the education system was not functioning well, Umalusi chairperson Sizwe Mabizela said on Friday.

"We must acknowledge that we have an education system that still fails dismally to free the full potential of the majority of our young people."

Mabizela said large numbers of young people dropped out of school before matric.

"Our education system is [a] work-in-progress and we must continue to work hard on it."

But Mabizela said there also needed to be a balancing act in understanding the current state of education in South Africa.

"Let us resist the temptation of joining the chorus of the cynics, the pessimists and the doomsayers who would have us believe that ours is a lost cause - they would have us believe that there was something good and positive for a black child in Bantu Education."

Exams fair, valid, credible

He also announced that Umalusi - the Council for Quality Assurance in General and Further Education and Training - declared the matric examinations of 2012 fair, valid and credible.

"We hereby approve the release of the results of the national senior certificate examinations administered by the department of Basic Education," said Umalusi chairperson Sizwe Mabizela.

He said the same approval was issued for the exams administered by the Independent Examinations Board (IEB).

Umalusi - approved the exams after various quality control measures, including moderating and approving question papers, verifying internal assessments, monitoring the conduct during exams, and monitoring and verifying the marking and final results.

In certain cases a process of standardisation was applied, whereby marks would be adjusted to "mitigate fluctuations in learner performance that are a result of factors within the examination processes themselves rather than the knowledge, aptitude or abilities of learners".

Problems effectively dealt with’

Nevertheless, Mabizela said that any problems found were "not systemic and were effectively and adequately dealt with".

He noted that there had been a problem in Durban when a student was found with a leaked economics paper. However the student was determined to be the only person in possession of it.

"This has been investigated and appropriate action will be taken against the implicated parties."

Exams conducted for qualifications available through Further Education and Training (FET) colleges and Adult Basic Education and Training (Abet) were also approved - with the exception of N3 Industrial Electronics.

"The standardisation of Industrial Electronics N3 is pending the outcome of an investigation into alleged serious irregularities."

Mabizela expressed some concern with the high drop-out rates of students enrolled for NC(V) levels 2 to 4 and for the General Education and Training Certificate Abet level 4.

He also said poor matric results in subjects like Mathematics had to be improved.

Discussions about low requirements for obtaining an NSC certificate had to be qualified by the fact that only 0.09% of the students obtained a NSC on the basis of minimum requirements, said Mabizela.

Comments
  • christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-28 19:29

    An education system not functioning well? No, that cannot be true!

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-12-28 19:40

      Umlasi....what do you expect? maybe they should start walking dogs and catch up with the flow of the world......what is the meaning of nkandla anyone?

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-28 19:47

      Nope, apparently Ubuntu will be lost.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-28 20:06

      This must rank as the understatement of the year!

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-28 21:17

      It's UMALUSI --- for umalusers, obviously.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-12-28 23:21

      Yup we spend more per capita than most other African countries and we can barely manage to produce literate school leavers. Our teachers do not believe that there should be inspectors, they teach fewer hours than teachers elsewhere in Africa and the world, and "newsflash" Umalusi thinks our education system is failing. The rest of us have known this for years.

      koos.meyer.52 - 2012-12-29 09:17

      Few seem to realise that it is not a coincidence that education is so bad in SA. It's in the ANC's interest to keep the masses ignorant so they can keep on brainwashing them and hand out a free yellow T-shirt every 4 years. The masses are unaware that Zuma stole R250m from them to upgrade his house, or simply are so ignorant that they don't see it for the crime it is.How do you wake up Black SA? We get called racist when we speak out? We actually wish the masses were educated so the whole of SA, black and white can move forwards and upwards. The ANC are the ones always looking backwards - blame Apartheid for everything...

      bullet.proof.9400 - 2012-12-29 10:14

      Shows how backward the anc are... it's taken them how long to realise this. We have been saying this for years... the education in this country is a stuff up and a total disaster

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-12-28 19:34

    Love the way you idiots phrase these things, like saying you realise that the public believe that Zuma, and the entire NEC, are out of their depth, incompetent and a total waste of money. We know it, have always known it and thought, naively, that you also knew it and then you go and re-elect the same idiots. It's a no-brainer. As for your work-in-progress education system, well good luck with that - I'll not be holding my breath.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-28 19:48

      Demolishing a building also need work in progress before the the final explosion............

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-12-29 03:12

      And still zuma has faith in those useless ministers who should have been fired after one day in office !!

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-12-29 06:39

      I'm pretty sure that blacks who received a Bantu education, received a higher level of education than the ANC offers today. These ANC comrades can try and spin and deny the level of education under Apartheid, but we all know that student leaving school had more opportunities and their Matric was respected compared to today. Spin, spin, spin Zuma and his fellow comrades, it's all they're good at.

      koos.meyer.52 - 2012-12-29 09:20

      The only tool that could work is to say that if Zuma and his top cronies were the Bafana coaching staff, team SA public would have fired them years ago, yet somehow they accept 1 out of 10 results from the Govt???

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-12-30 23:10

      Amanda Victor You are quite right. The pupils that were taught under the Bantu education were taught extremely well. I know a woman who is now retired and she became a teacher in Germiston with her Bantu Education Certificate.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-12-28 19:35

    In true tradition, telling us what we already know. Have known for the last 10 years. So thank you for sharing - and resisting the chorus. HOW and WHEN will it be remedied?

  • thandanani.mabanga - 2012-12-28 19:36

    I would be very disappointed if the 'Umlasi' is the for Umalusi, because this will mean that media companies are no longer interested in producing news that are accurate and correct.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 08:52

      oomkaspaas, the M & G has black writers too, and it is owned by a black person. AA properly applied, is doing well in that paper then, by your own admission

  • Tuyez - 2012-12-28 19:43

    Lot more people need to be educated as well including the journo that wrote this article. These is nothing called 'Umlasi'

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-28 21:19

      Umlazi is a Durban township. Umalusi is the governing body of the SA education for umalusers.

  • Twolips - 2012-12-28 19:45

    Not functioning well??? I'd say it's a disaster. The ANC has messed with something that wasn't broken in the first place. Sure the pre-1994 education needed modernising but it didn't need such a drastic change to OBE and whatever came next.

      digger.dighead - 2012-12-28 23:28

      This is not the governments fault....It's because of apartheid and the legacy of white tendencies. It's not because of lack of management and resources...or because of all the wasted and stolen money from our taxes...Nooo it's because the whites still have everything that's why and, and they care more for their dogs!! That's why, not because we the government are useless and corrupt. So come on my stupid little followers and keep hating the white way, while we continue stealing the countries money our way. Wake up Black SA and see things for what they are!!!!

      marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-12-29 15:18

      My thoughts exactly - Twolips!!!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-12-30 23:12

      Besides the education debacle what else is functioning well ? Please tell!

  • nhlapop - 2012-12-28 19:50

    Let's not only blame Umalusi. Department of Basic Education fail our Education system, corruption from top officials, late delivery of books, and that Moron who was recently elected as President didn't bother to take action against Minister of Basic Education. If we don't take our education system seriously, surely this country goes nowhere. Education is the most powerful weapon you can use it to change the whole world. Former State President Nelson Mandela.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-28 19:57

      Ditto Nhlapo!!!

      thembinkosi.khanyile.3 - 2012-12-28 20:05

      For you it's a case of being an imbecile and a day-dreamer,Nhlapop.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-28 20:09

      Sjoe, Thembinkosi, and that scathing attack on Nhlapo? What he is saying is pure fact!

      thembinkosi.khanyile.3 - 2012-12-28 22:27

      Nhlapop deserves this and your support of him is not surprising.Birds of the same feather flock together.

      thembinkosi.khanyile.3 - 2012-12-28 22:36

      @ oom.kaspaas.5 I am glad I am brainwashed by a handful of crazy whites who are battling to swim against the current - attempting sabotage.Wake up! ANC is here to stay with driving at present.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-28 22:52

      Thank you God for birds of a feather! And again, you say he deserves it - why?

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-12-28 23:25

      Nobody is blaming Umalusi, but guess what, we are blaming the Education Department, successive Ministers of Education and SADTU. Not forgetting the ANC who appear unable to organise a piss up in a bar with free liquor.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-12-28 23:28

      Thembankosi, your english tells me that you too are a victim of a failing education system. English is the main language of Government and business, if you do not believe me phone SARS help line, and you cannot express simple stupidities in that language.

      gray.braatvedt - 2012-12-29 07:47

      @thembinkosi - nhlapop seems to have really hit a nerve there. Perhaps you work for the department of basic education and this is a direct reflection on you. I can't think of any other reason anyone should be so vociferous in defending the absolutely abysmal state that the department of education finds itself in.

      clive.pops.5 - 2012-12-29 08:29

      @ thembinkosi.khanyile.3 I see from your fb page that you "work" for Dept. of Basic Edu. in KZN. That explains your attack on nhlapop. Instead of attacking him, consider the almost universal opinion that your employer has failed the nation. That means you and everyone else who works there, failed the nation and continues to do so.

      nhlapop - 2012-12-29 08:38

      President Spokesperson always says. Education is number one priority to our President, if so, why can't he make some changes in our education system eg. Our Graduates, why can't he create more intenship programmes in government sector and Private sector, this will help them to get more skills and knowledge of the job, so that the very same Graduates can be offer positions in our government, because clearly we need people who have skills and qualifications to do the job, not those that are employed because of political struggle. Look at EC, children are still learning under the trees, at this time after 18 years after apartheid error, whether we like it or not, ANC, failed our Education system, because in this country people are employed based on political struggle, hence this is the reason why corruption is too high. The ruling party must take action about this or else this country goes no where. To those who believe that my comment doesn't make sense, can all of them please tell me. What Zuma has done to improve our Education System, since Education is his number one priority, not development of Inkandla, not misusing our tax money to get married every week. Thanks to all those who agree with me, we are fed-up with our government, the one we voted for to lead the country. We are tired of being soft to them.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-29 08:47

      Sense you speak Nhlapo! We need to stand together, black and white, as at the end of the day it is all of us being affected by the incompetent government.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:05

      Nhlapop, brainy people are not wanted in government, more so "clever blacks" as watermelon head refers to blacks who are not ANC sheep following him down the cliff. One must be a moron (a.k.a "cadre") and want to learn in Zulu in order to be "deployed." Heyi wena Thembinkosi, China, France, Russia and Germany can afford to learn in their own languages precisely because the polpulation of those countries is likely to be 99,9% inhabited by the chinese, russians, french, etc. SA has eleven official languages, and a dozen other unofficial languages. Where do you think the resources are going to come from, firstly, to develop every language to reach the standard onthe basis of which it can be a medium of instruction, secondly train a pool of teachers to train other teachers who in turn can go and teach everyone else in their mother tongue?

      nhlapop - 2012-12-29 09:22

      Themba and Thembikosi, can you please tell us, where did you guys Matriculated, which year and Province, which University or Technikon you guys further your studies or College, maybe I'm missing something here, to those who went to University,Technikon and Colleges will tell you that our Government has failed our education system, especially those who are sitting at home with Diplomas, Degrees, Masters and Phd's. I was Matriculated in 2005 in Free State, went to Tshwane university of Technology to further my studies, 2013 I'm starting my new course Honours in Human Resources Management. You guys don't know the pain that our brother and sisters are going thru just to sit at home with qualifications. Keep on voting for ANC(corruption unit)

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-29 09:37

      Nhlapo, do not misread what Themba wrote. He is constantly fighting the battle you are fighting and is sitting in your camp. Do not let the fact that he is now fighting the "Bantu Administration" make you believe that he is in agreement with what the government is doing. I believe the pains of the apartheid in certain areas are simply being repeated by our present government. For some it just feels better because they are beaten by a black man rather than a white man(sorry I have to phrase it like this)

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-12-28 19:51

    Many academics , educators will not agree with you Mr Mabizela. The quality of education we have is not better than Bantu education/the system of education under apartheid regime. It is shocking that some of African countries are doing better than South Africa.

      denise.wilshire - 2012-12-28 21:05

      I have contact with people from Botswana, Namibia and Malawi and in all cases those contacts are very well educated. They put our youth to shame. We have 2 generations of children who are totally messed up (education wise) Most of these people are parents with nothing to offer their kids. These youngsters generally have no general knowledge or decision making skills. They know nothing about the world around them. They are mostly gullible and rely on urban legends to answer any questions which they might have. This is a huge tragedy. We might have more freedom, but for the rest the quality of our lives is much poorer. I include those who are living on Government grants. These would not have been necessary, if we had a pro-active government in place. They would not have allowed hoards of people from other African countries to seek asylum here and rob our people of their livelihood. The personal pride of the average South African is in the toilet. No one wants to resort to begging. The fact that you cannot earn your daily bread and have pride in a job well done, robs one of self esteem. This leads to other social problems. We are in a very sad and precarious state with no real antidote in sight. When the dole comes in, the future of our youth will be further degraded. Oh Dear Lord, what happened to OUR RAINBOW NATION which was full of promise? Our President and his government need to be tried for TREASON. They work against our country's success at every turn.

      Antipoaching - 2012-12-28 22:43

      zolisa, Dr Mabizela is an academic and University Deputy Vice Chancellor, believe me he knows just how ill-prepared matrics are for varsity

  • mpho.gift.1804 - 2012-12-28 20:02

    Chairperson,your master instructed you to release such report. As parents we're just standing watching you

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-12-28 20:12

    can't pin this one on whitey or the ghost of verwoerd. The anc is 100% to blame and should be made to answer for it. Bunch of dim witted dung hurlers more interested in power and bling.

  • denise.wilshire - 2012-12-28 20:22

    On Bantu education....My buddies from that system can all read, write and reckon. They all have jobs, drive cars and... walk their dogs. Fire Angie. She is a disgrace and the killer of childhood dreams. I am sooo sad for the kids of today. Our undereducated President really cannot understand the value of a good education. I don't need to throw the bones to know where we are heading. 20 years of ANC control and we are down the tubes.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-28 21:31

      The people running Umalusi are all the products of Bantu Education themselves.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:15

      "The people running Umalusi are all the products of Bantu Education themselves ..." ... who had to pull themselves by their bootstrings. When I was in matric under Bantu Education, my syllabus was about half that of a white kid in Standard 7. I know because one day I visited my mother's employer and checked her child's syllabus. Then I had to sit in the same class with white kids at 'varsity. In order to pass, I had to study around the clock, attend extra classes, do more assignments and projects, sleep less, while white kids in the mainstream studied and enjoyed 'varsity. I am just saying don't try to justify Bantu Education especially if you have never had to study about the life of a locust, or stupid things such as "'n hond blaf; "'n hen kekkel," etc. while another kid is attending a computer class or studying economics and accounting.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-29 09:21

      I hear you Themba and sometimes we should gather proper information before assuming things. Most people who exceeded under the B.E. are people that worked there ar$es off to get ahead and stay ahead. I wrote a further post higher up about me feelings about B>E>

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:28

      I am with you christelle and always enjoy your well-considered and carefully worded comments.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 21:08

      The tools they were supplied with via Bantu Education nevertheless were adequate to permit them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Before Bantu Education there was No Education (except for a few dozen church schools dotted around the country, educating only 1% of black youngsters, while the vast majority grew up, lived and died totally illiterate and innumerate.)

  • werner.nel.712 - 2012-12-28 20:32

    oh well, I guess...Viva ANC!

  • lynda.pitcher.1 - 2012-12-28 20:37

    ha ha ha ha he says it like we should be suprised, I guess what he is saying is that the matric marks are really crap and as usual the marks will be adjusted upwards so that the universities can cope with the kids who won't be able to cope......same old same old!!!

  • Andre Deysel - 2012-12-28 20:39

    OMG!!! Yes revert back to the age old cop-out of Apartheid you useless bunch of money loving idiots!!! How long will we tolerate people who for 18 long years has had more resources available to them than almost the whole continent combined? Education starts in the homes, but what do we teach our children? That driving a merc or bmw is cool. That voting for the Anc is your ticket to heaven. That making babies equals goverment grants. Why study when taxpaying citizens will foot your bills...

      dkinene1 - 2012-12-29 09:11

      Well put and said

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:17

      Just before you break into an epilectic fit, bear in mind that your stupid forefathers denied blacks education and the ANC is simply cashing in on your forefathers' stupidity

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-29 10:07

      And the only way we are going to get of it is by firstly education. And that education should certainly have a diversity class teaching us the differences in our cultures to ensure we minimize our derogatory manner in which we speak to each other. Sometimes I really have the urge to call somebody a d@@s or a stupid moron, or an idiot, but you know, it just makes me the idiot for not coming up with a better argument. Let us try and hold our tongues a little and see whether we can go into an acceptable debate with somebody rather than a tongue-lashing. Much more achieved by that

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 10:27

      Those "stupid forefathers" rolled out free black education nationwide starting in 1953. That's nearly 60 years ago.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 10:41

      You right womba. They rolled it out for free so that they can get cheap black labour that could understand their instructions.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 13:51

      And why not? A worker who is literate and numerate is far more useful than one who isn't. And ALL governments pour tax-money into projects that will serve their country's needs.It's far better than pouring it into projects offering little or nothing in return.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 14:47

      womba, you are justifying the rationale for the unequal education systems we had under apartheid. Do you realise that because of the inequality, and lack of access in most cases resulted in a number of black people remaining semi-literate/illiterate, reproducing semi-literate/illiterate children, who perpetuated the cycle of lack of education that we are witnessing today? Do you also realise that had all the people been allowed access to good quality education we would be having a society whose members are highly educated, and we would not be having the uneducated being taken advantange off as voter cannon fodder?

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 11:23

      No, I'm not saying the education was "equal" nor am I saying that the inequality was justifiable. What I AM saying is that there was education supplied nationwide after 1953 whereas before that there was hardly any. And I am saying that with little more than the basics that were supplied, anyone who was rendered literate and numerate thanks to state education was now technically able to pursue their own self-education and satisfy their curiosity by their personal readings. And that many of those who actually made the effort of taking full advantage of their new educational skills really managed to go very far in the world. Those who didn't bother just didn't get very far at all. That still applies today -- use it, or lose it. It applies to ALL races. A man who won't read has no advantage over a man who cannot read.

  • Rodney - 2012-12-28 20:56

    education stake holders must force and introduce SASAMS programme to traice learners. SO we can hv understaining with out always estimating the overrall of dropout.

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-12-28 20:57

    No excuse. These gr12 students were in your care for 12 years. Look what you have achieved. If I were them I would not be happy.

      denise.wilshire - 2012-12-28 21:35

      I agree with you Mandy. These kids must feel so cheated and lied to. Never mind the parents who actually trusted the Government to make good leadership decisions. Sooo Sad.

  • gordon.turner.37 - 2012-12-28 21:01

    Just do lifestyle audits on all dept staff To show why such a tiny fraction of the budget goes to teaching kids.

  • womba.wonder - 2012-12-28 21:16

    Bantu Education -- a state-funded nationwide and free system -- replaced No Education. It definitely was better than that. Millions of black pupils learnt how to read, write and do arithmetic which was better than no knowing these skills. So, how is the current system any better than that? Where's the empirical evidence?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:20

      Bantu Education was sh*** education intended to prepare blacks to be manual labourers. Only a bunch could be "allowed" to become educated in order to help the apartheid enforcers to implement it. If you want to criticise OBE, do so. But don't come pontificating about Bantu Education when you did not even study under it

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 10:32

      Whatever B.E. was "intended" to do, at least it DID make millions of illiterate and innumerate young people literate and numerate. That's a massive improvement. Once you can read, write and reckon, you really have everything you need in order to educate yourself to any extent, if you're genuinely curious for knowledge.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 10:48

      Except at the time, all blacks to "educate" themselves for was as teachers, the police and the nurse. Doctors too, although very few and far between. The teacher to reproduce poorly "educated" manual labourers (most schools on farms did not go beyond standard 2 because farm labourers with standard 2 could understand fanagalo); the police to help enforce apartheid, and the nurse to keep cheap manual labourers alive.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 13:58

      If you can read and write you are able to broaden your mind with reading widely purely for your own edification. You don't use your newly-acquired literacy and numeracy skills only to do formal degree studies -- you read for pleasure and entertainment and to broaden your very narrow personal world view. Through books you can "travel" to places you've never heard of, meet people so different you'll probably never meet them in real life etc.

  • yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 21:30

    the education system corrupt, bt the gvt must try to stop spoon feeding skul kids, they musnt always luk lyk they r victims coz in dat situation, they wil always blame the teacher, parents must stop blaming teachrz dat their chld failed, wen that child spents al nyts busy partyng, drinkng booze nd hving sex....nd dnt blame being poor or lack of textbooks 4 ths, how many kids use textbooks in reality.....errbdy must js work togethr, skul kids, parents, teachrz ...tz nt da gvt dat plays da m0st role here, us pple play da m0st role...they must js kick owt corruption

      odirile.seemise - 2012-12-28 21:48

      Clearly you were one of those that opted not to use text books. Your writing is really bad and logic flawed,most unfortunate.

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 22:11

      ...Clearly being realistic, i am currently the top student at my school, my lowest average being 75, what concern me most is how most learners act...i promise u, S.A will never get anywhere, if the students esp in public schools continue to have the same attitude towards school....and as for using textbooks, i hardly use any because you read the texbook but still fail, what matterz is how hard you just work....

      hendrikvs - 2012-12-28 22:12

      I am sure this piece of writing was meant as a joke? Or is this living proof of our wonderful education system? LMAO

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 22:15

      ...Clearly being realistic, i am currently the top student at my school, my lowest average being 75, what concern me most is how most learners act...i promise u, S.A will never get anywhere, if the students esp in public schools continue to have the same attitude towards school....and as for using textbooks, i hardly use any because you can read the texbooks but still fail, what matterz is how hard you just work, how much you determined, and how much you use resources esp working with question papers and momerandums, internet.....

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 22:18

      l0l am quite good in english but as you can see i was using what they call text or sms language...as long as you understand, i dont think it matters most

      odirile.seemise - 2012-12-28 22:19

      It's kind of hard being inspired and having a positive attitude when their teachers hardly know what they doing unless its striking and burning down things. No textbooks, and in some schools pupils learn under trees, but agreed about the attitude most have toward education. still think you should have opened the books more top achiever

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 22:26

      l0l odirile yea i have tried but in subjects like life sciences, maths it turns out sometimes using that textbook might not give you that much wanted level 6 or 7....actually i use past exam papers, thats more fruitfull in my opinion...

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-12-28 23:38

      Yusuf, judging by your writing you should not and I repeat should not write the University entrance exams set by the British education authorities because you will fail. The British think their school education is falling behind that of France and Germany.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 08:32

      Yusuf nothing wrong with the way you write, as ong as you remember to adapt to normal english when doing your exam, you come across as a very intelligent young person who independently analyses the situation and refuses to be influenced by perception, all the best with your future.

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-29 11:15

      @kevin...i once wrote british exams before, and i passed, was doing the cambridge curriculum and i passed with a B(O LEVEL), when i am in an exam i know how to write...@zulu, thanx, will try to keep in the right way...my pass is my passport to success....

  • Mbuso Siera - 2012-12-28 22:04

    Collectively as South Africans we must unite together for the educations of our kids to be a working system that benefits them towards a great future....and stop pointing fingers at Angie,Zuma and the ANC...we all must work together as parents,teachers and the kids.....this country is trying the best it can but most kids don't have the appetite to work hard ,they watch too much of the western celebrities lifestyles and think thats how life is in America.......

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 22:40

      i truly do think that you got a point there

      yusufchinyengetere - 2012-12-28 22:47

      i have a close friend who dropped from being in the top 3 in the top ten, to nowhere in the top 50 of the school, and i can tell you all its all because his attitude changed, he is all diferent now...we still got the same teachers.....so who do we blame there?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:22

      How do we unite and work together to deliver textbooks on time to schoolkids? Are we not paying Angie to do that? How do we work together to ensure that the education system is not so debased that 30% is now regarded as an exemption? What are we paying Blade and stupid Angie for?

  • Hasani P - 2012-12-28 22:29

    Agreed, but the question is, have we improved ? Have we given the doomsayers a reason not to be pessimistic including the cynics?

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 08:22

      You people decide not to see improvement, I for one studied in a rural school and today I am not on a bantu education profession which is a nurse, a teacher and a police, I am an engineer,and again you don't know what I'm talking about as you continue talking on my behalf(the poor masses) and you don't know me at all,

  • rory.n.price - 2012-12-28 23:04

    ANC master plot, keep the masses uneducated, and they will foolishly follow us

  • Gary Paxton - 2012-12-28 23:43

    i have just writen the final exams an they make the question paper hard thru asking stupid questions sounding like it has only been sucked out of someones thumb. for example. i learned for geography and they asked stupid questions that could be done thru general knowledge wich is also hard but it would have been much easier if they asked questions that i could have learned in my handbooks ect. they ask this type of questions to increase the average percentage of south africas students rather than asking quetions wich could be answered from our handbooks. this will seperate the smart people and hardworking people from the lazy people. thanks for reading and enjoy your new years party or leka evening.

  • Gary Paxton - 2012-12-29 00:06

    My theory is that the department of education only help themselves thru making question papers on a specific way so that the majority of learners can pass ect but it keep hard learners from achieving. And like I experienced the question papers. The maths lit was easy but some questions was made tricky just for the majority to pass but not to pass with only A s and B s. Then people would obviously know that something fishy is going on. On this way only the most intelegent learners would get great marks but the hardworking learners not, because the questions is to tricky. everyone deserves the same shot in life and i think thats not happening at this moment.

      lenkamu.trading - 2012-12-29 06:20

      Whats up with u doing all the useless subjects?

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2012-12-29 00:38

    We have Zuma running the country and Angie the head of the education system What did u expect?

      prakash.singh.169 - 2012-12-29 01:57

      Zuma RUINING the country and Angie the head of Outdated Backward Education System.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 08:11

      @Thembinkosi who do you want to run the education for us? And why?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 09:24

      Ndabezitha, don't ask stupid questions. Thembinkosi has not said anything about wanting to run the education system. Zuma appointed incompetent cadres. That's the problem

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 09:43

      Mr Thwala that's your problem.you can criticise,insult and make all the noise but when one ask a simple question,as in your criticism you never offer any solutions, you become all defensive and all of a sudden you are the only one who can think, whatever everybody else say is stupid,

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 10:09

      Ndabezitha, please tell me why are you putting words in Thembinkosi's mouth? Why not PROPERLY read and understand what he said, and then ask him a question based on what he said? Do you see why he is not even wasting time responding to your stupid question?

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 10:42

      Mr Thwala you are not Thembinkosi, I'm sure when he gets a chance he will answer my question, again I asked a question to demonstrate to people like you that it is easy to criticise and offer no solutions, as for me asking the irrelevant question, that's your opinion but I know for most people like me the question is relevant to his question, his statement as he is complaining about Angie being the head of education, and I'm saying to him name the alternative and tell me why,

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 10:50

      Name the alternative? You are so dishonest it's unbelievable. You asked him whether he wants to run the education department and why. Go and read your post again, and get someone to translate it for you in Zulu in case you still don't understand whaty you wrote

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 11:01

      Ha ha ha ha,Mr Thwala are you ok today my friend lol, how about you getting a translator for yourself, lol, I don't mean that, I have copied my question for you, I know you don't need a translator, its not what you said I said, if my English is that bad, it makes your blood boil, I apologise, its not my first language and I'm not embarrassed by that, also I'm not going to stop commenting or get a translator because you say so cos I think you can be confused at times, see as copied@Thembinkosi who do you want to run the education for us? And why?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 14:48

      Ndabezitha, I missed the "who". Ngiyaxolisa Mjokwane kaNdaba :)

      thembinkosi.jozie - 2012-12-30 12:13

      @Manqoba Zulu I want the same qualified professionals who are running the private schools where Zuma Angie and other politicians children are attending to run our education system. And u asked why? The second question has been answered by Zuma Angie and all the cadres when they took their children to private schools they were telling us voters that they r incompetent stupid and unqualified to run public education system. So if this system is not good for their children how can it be good for our children? The solution is fire Angie and Blade and employ only qualified professionals or privatise all public schools and use that huge budget to the education department to pay school fees for poor leaners and close down the department

  • tommo.too - 2012-12-29 02:42

    Not functioning well... Understatement of the year. In truth it's completely #ucked up...

  • werner.luitingh - 2012-12-29 02:45

    Delegate all responsibility for ones shortcoming on apartheid. Apartheid had its injustices, but without proper education segregation will continue on less tangible grounds... Viva Comrades viva idiocracy!

  • Ntokozo Ndinisa - 2012-12-29 03:48

    womba something, i would not be studying engineering at wits from bantu education. as a matter of fact i graduated last year with distinctions and all to be crowned da dux (top achiever) in my former 'model C' school, one of only a handful of blacks in my schools prestigious history. i repeat i would not be where i'm from bantu education!!!

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 07:54

      Keep going Ntokozo, all the best with your studies, it is young people like you who do not only believe what the media feed them but do proper analysis of their own, that we pride ourselves on, the struggle continues

      musaasaph.mashila - 2012-12-29 08:28

      I like how u mentioned that u studied at a former Model C school...those schools, though owned by Government, they not run by Government. They are run by dedicated teachers and parents. Former Model C schools are jst as good as pvt schools. If u had studied in rural EC, u wudnt hev gone past grade 8...and that's the kind of education the average black child is receiving. Bantu education produced lawyers, doctors, engineers, from those rural schools, not fancy model c schools like yours. So plz!!

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 08:43

      Mashila don't talk on our behalf, I studied on a very rural area of Zululand in KZN, when I was doing grade 8 a new principal came, he got the buy in from the SGB and he turned the school around, I can mention a lot of people who went on and made it big in life, most of them will single out.the principal as an inspiration, the question is what is the community doing themselves beside blaming the government, to inspire and support the young stars? We are a nation of winches who are quick to forget where we come from

      musaasaph.mashila - 2012-12-29 09:40

      I'm from limpopo, and as u know, kids never received textbooks till a group of racist white people took the government to court to force them to provide textbooks to black kids...ofcourse there are isolated cases of positive stories like yours, bt generally, the standard of education is poor.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 21:18

      You merely THINK you wouldn't be studying engineering at Wits with Bantu Education. In your class at Wits there may well be several black students who actually attended township schools and NOT ex-model C ones like yours. Township schools generally still provide a quality of education no different from that of the unlamented Bantu Education. They nevertheless made it into your Engineering course. So why couldn't you? Are they smarter than you? Many prominent black South Africans came through Bantu Education and township or rural schools and went on to earn doctorates. Without their Bantu Education they wouldn't even know how to read or write.

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-12-29 05:30

    PRIVATISE the damn EDUCATION. It has been proven and witnessed that, our government is FAILING (-ed) its people DISMALLY in all departments. Again, PRIVATISE the damn EDUCATION.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 10:35

      Private investors need to make a worthwhile profit.

  • craig.lowe.3572 - 2012-12-29 06:28

    YOU ONLY REALIZE THAT NOW, IDIOTS !

  • mmabatho.mashilangwako - 2012-12-29 07:28

    Where is Kader Asmal when we need him so bad (RIP)..i BLAME Angie Motshegoa with her imbalanced dental formula nxa!

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 10:36

      Kader? The OBE guy?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-29 10:43

      Don't forget her wig -a poor horse must be missing part of its tail :)

  • harold.pennington.5 - 2012-12-29 07:34

    I wonder how long it will take to blame this on the whites because we'd rather train our dogs to be canine good citizens than pay shedloads to educate our employees offspring?

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-12-29 07:40

    Here's a different perspective. I've gone away (seriously) from certain car brand simply because it's synonymous with malpractices and it's reward. Sad but true and I don't miss it at all. Pity for the manufacturers who are NOT to blame.

  • johan.steyn.127 - 2012-12-29 07:55

    I think they must stop blaming the system and rather get the correct people the run it same goes for all service delivery goverment instututions.

  • Ndangah Alan Mmberegeni - 2012-12-29 07:57

    we can not point finger on anyone, because is not the book, parents are not taking part of education of their children, these days children does not like to go to school, even though south african is offering free education to all, children have more rights , which they do not know dat rights come with responsibility, if we compare old education nd new education there is a a big different, you will find out that some children having matric but still that person does not know how to read book, or still struggling to read book using his or her own language,

      juliet.richardson.961 - 2012-12-29 12:14

      South africa is not giving free education to all! Cause if that was the case I would still be there! I am a single mom , 2 kids and applied for exemtion only one child was granted, when I had to pay up, for the back payments I had missed , ( could not afford them due to no job) they told me that the exemption is only for the person who is litrally a domestic, or an unemployed person with litrally no roof over their heads - and the chairman of the SGB told me that the policy for paying school fees in sa is before you put food on the table you pay your school fees- and all for crap education!

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 21:21

      Most township schools are "no-fee" schools. They're open to all. But if the quality of education they offer is too poor for your liking, you'll choose the pay-school option. And then you have to pay. That's your choice, after all.

  • Erna - 2012-12-29 07:57

    The government must stop this 'trial and error' method of solving the country's school problem. Starting with a new curriculum and assessment plan every few years is not conducive to a successful education system. It is costly and time consuming having to train teachers and it seems like more time is spent on admin and statistics every time the system changes.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 08:02

      And what do you suggest should be done,

      Erna - 2012-12-29 09:33

      They should have left it the way it was prior to 1994. Why change something that has been proven to work? They should've just made the same system available to all the children. Do you know that prior to 1994 and straight thereafter the children were taught an indigenous language in addition to English and Afrikaans? Now some of those schools have stopped it. A few years ago, Technology and EMS were introduced at great expense to the schools. Technology laboratories were established at many schools and teachers were trained. These subjects have now been discontinued at primary school level as from 2013.

      Erna - 2012-12-29 09:34

      They should have left it the way it was prior to 1994. Why change something that has been proven to work? They should've just made the same system available to all the children. Do you know that prior to 1994 and straight thereafter the children were taught an indigenous language in addition to English and Afrikaans? Now some of those schools have stopped it. A few years ago, Technology and EMS were introduced at great expense to the schools. Technology laboratories were established at many schools and teachers were trained. These subjects have now been discontinued at primary school level as from 2013.

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-12-29 10:21

      Thanks for you response Erna, so you mean our kids, should not do computer studies, write a different paper to that of the other kids, lean about the arrival of Jan Van Rebick(sorry not sure about the spelling) and that Africa was discovered in 1652, only know that they are only good to be teachers, nurses and policemen and nothing else, I don't think that's what you mean, is it?

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 10:43

      For every R1 the state spent on every black pupil, they spent R11 on each white one. So to "make it equal" would have required an elevenfold increase in education spending to make it equal to white standards. Or it would have to slash white school spending by 92% to bring it in line with black spending. Which equality recipe would YOU choose?

      Mandy Casey - 2012-12-29 16:20

      @womba I can assure you that currently much more is being spent on education than ever before. But throwing money at education does not equal a good result. Clear to see.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 11:27

      Yes, you can't make a system functional merely by throwing more money at it. But you can make a system dysfunctional by depriving it of adequate funding.

  • paulette.vandermerwe - 2012-12-29 09:14

    Wow - talk about a misguided phrase "not functioning well" - just fail to understand how a child that cannot read a 4-5 word sentence ends up in Grade 7 - yes, old Standard 5, passes to go to High School... Boggles the mind, I have these candidates living near me... Sad sad sad how the poorest are being failed by self-enrichment, lack of delivery and that in a developing culture of Entitlement...

  • zs5zk - 2012-12-29 09:51

    Sizwe Mabizela, do not worry, the public realizes more than what you think. The public is NOT as stupid as you are. Who stuffed up the Education system, The ANC and tour type. "Exams fair, valid, credible" Education Quality the lowest in the World. a Matric in South Africa is the equivalent of a Standard six In the western world.

  • carmabos - 2012-12-29 10:18

    MISINFORMATION ON A GRAND SCALE: RSA today has many greats who were a product of Bantu education! They all agree the Bantu education of then had better delivery than mainstream education today! In fact, they chorus the shame of today's lack of delivery. What else do they have in common? They seem to stand outside the corruptiom ring. The real question is, Who will benefit from an illiterate electorate?

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 10:46

      Such as Dr Mamphela Ramphele -- ex World Bank president, UCT vice-chancellor, medical doctor etc etc

  • zs5zk - 2012-12-29 10:30

    Hahahahahahaha!!!!!! Our Standard of education the lowest in the World.

  • cecilia.vanderwesthuizen.5 - 2012-12-29 10:41

    In some parts it didn't even function at all. Schools never received textbooks. Black children toi toi in schools setting their desks and books on fire. Black school children taking part in cosatu strikes when they should have been in school. They don't want edeucation, its not the whole educational system! The black president didn't even make it through junior school, what a bad example for young children he is. This is not a racist remark, simply the truth.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-12-29 11:49

    Took you 18 years to realize this? I don't hold my breath for a quick fix. Have anyone noticed the total rot of anything the anc have touched the last 18 years? They had enough time. Time for major changes

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-12-29 11:58

    Erna i agree,trial and error is a sure sign of a lack of capabily.

      Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-12-29 12:07

      that should have read capability,apologies.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-12-29 12:06

    Womba for every million rand stolen by politicians and govt officials only 1 cent is spend on education,why,educated people will boot the current regime out as quickly as they came in.Where i get the stats from i dont know,just like i dont know where you get yours,love the white he has given you everything so manage it properly,if you cant give it back to people who want this rotten country to work.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-29 14:04

      Ridiculous exaggeration renders your entire argument ridiculous. My statistics come from the goveenment's annual budgets rendered to per capita from 1953 to 1994 -- it's on the public record for verification.

  • Bonakala Bsac - 2012-12-29 14:07

    What's actually wrong with our education system? How many education systems do we need to get it right? Even our Educators are perplexed I guess.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-12-29 15:53

    Ja right!

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-12-29 15:57

    I challenge you to post those stats on every news paper and electronic form of media in the world,we will be waiting!

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-12-29 18:05

    You can say that a car with no engine - is not functioning well! - Bantu education was designed to be cr#p so that it would ensure continued oppression. If we are now starting to debate which is worse then we have a fairly big problem here. this coupled with our eyes and ears tells us that the basic education system continues to oppress blacks. Now this has serious consequences for all - in particular it opens the door to populist regimes that will manipulate it's uneducated electorate at will.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 21:28

      Bantu Education was designed to replace No Education.

  • henk63 - 2012-12-30 17:14

    Let me get this straight: You and your ANC come and screw up education, and now you profess to have had the revelation that the education system is not functioning? Did the light finally come on you moron?

  • donald.perumal - 2012-12-30 19:52

    Hi All The history of B E teaches us that there was no "great expectation"for the "black child" ,mostly elementary skills were taught to ensure a steady supply of cheap labour.In the education departrments,similarly Indians through various means produced teachers,lawyers,doctors, factory workers,service industry workers and labourers:some designed by our apartheid mastersand some inspite of their best efforts.Those of you who are praising BE should stop immediately. The present system is flawed big time and there many interventions that are necessary,those of us well versed with education can put aplan in place to address many of the evils that plagues the Education System;its a matter of will and skill.

      womba.wonder - 2012-12-30 21:26

      It's a simple question: "Which is better -- Bantu Education or No Education at All?" Bantu Education replaced No Education. As such, it was most definitely a pretty big improvement, I'd say.

      donald.perumal - 2012-12-31 18:03

      @womba.wonder What if I said that BE was less than "no education" as it took away the dignity and self respect of the learner.