Unclear if cop cars were at robbery - police

2012-10-25 14:11

Johannesburg - It was not clear whether vehicles at the home of a Johannesburg legal adviser belonged to the police, a police spokesperson said on Thursday.

"Police have viewed the closed circuit television footage and it is not clear whether the vehicles at the scene were police vehicles or not," Lieutenant Colonel Lungelo Dlamini said in a statement.

"Forensic analysis of the footage will be done to analyse the crime scene as well as identify the suspects."

He said allegations that police members were involved in the house robbery were being investigated.

Raymond Dicks was at his home in Midrand with his son and a friend on Saturday when six men stormed into the house and tied them up, the Star newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Dicks is a legal adviser to the group NewERA (New Economic Rights Alliance), which has brought a court case against four major banks, including the SA Reserve Bank.

He is also representing author Michael Tellinger, who is suing Standard Bank for civil fraud.

According to the newspaper, video footage caught on hidden cameras showed what appeared to be three police cars, two vans and a Ford Escort, driving back and forth on the 600m-long street while the robbery took place.

Dicks said the footage showed police vans blocking the road while the robbers entered his property.

He and his son were made to hand over their bank cards and their personal identification numbers, and their bank accounts were cleared out.

A television set, speakers, an amplifier, a computer and cellphones were taken.

Dicks believed the police vehicles were loaded with items stolen during the robbery.

  • Andrea - 2012-10-25 14:19

    Hardly an hour ago there was "no proof", now it is "unclear" that police vehicles were used in this robbery. Are we getting that much anticpated proof now or what, SAPS? Or are you still a bit busy covering those tracks quick sticks?

      terrylee.heuer - 2012-10-25 14:28

      Hahha my first thoughts exactly Andrea!!

      john.loveland.9 - 2012-10-25 14:38

      Next they'll tell us there is uncertain as to whether the number plates were authentic or false.... If their bosses are into crime, why shouldn't they be, it obviously pays....

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-25 14:44

      Probably government sanctioned thugs funded by Std Bank to crush the case in a dirty fashion - in a way it's a good sign (although not good for the brave attorney) because it means Std Bank is terrified, know they will lose, and once Pandora's box is open, it will be one of the biggest scandals in SA banking history.

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-26 08:35

      Right on, Andrea: the cops are buying time to fabricate a cover-up.

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-10-25 14:25

    Instead of admitting the truth even if it's there , this tsotsicops will always find ways to rubbish the truths . Lost case !

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-25 14:30

      This issue runs far deeper and far more serious than some tsotsi cops. This is orgnaised crime at the highest level. Read up on the Ubuntu web site.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-25 14:45

      Agreed, big chief.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-25 14:27

    Wait a minute, I thought there was 'no proof' and now they aren't certain?.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-25 14:45

      Yup. Camera's don't lie...

  • GordonT - 2012-10-25 14:28

    Post the video's on youtube before they're handed over the cops. Does no-one else see the conflict of the police investigating the video's supposedly showing the police engaged in crime?

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-25 14:38

      Yes I do, and I also think Dicks was careless to keep back up material from his hard drive on site. Big mistake considering the high profile matters he's dealing with. Let's hope those videos were copied before handing over to the SAPS, if not then I'm sad to say Dicks is an absolute amateur.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-25 14:46

      Absolutely - they have a vested interest to clear their name. Can't trust government either, because they're in bed with the banks.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-25 14:57

      I heard he had backup tapes hidden all over the house - they ransacked it and found them. There is no doubt these thugs were well organised professionals on a specific mission.

  • Hemlock - 2012-10-25 14:36

    Everything appears to be as clear as mud with the SAP!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-25 14:47

      Ha Ha LOL - well said

  • Matthew - 2012-10-25 14:42

    The proof is there.they're just to figure out how to get rid of it,and if not,find a way to discredit it further. Typical SAPS

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  • johan.vanheerden.737 - 2012-10-25 14:53

    Who is suprised? This is what happens when criminals must investigate criminal acts by criminals

  • mshiniboys - 2012-10-25 15:04

    well then you better look harder or else people will think you are hesitant on truth.well then you better look harder or else people will think you are hesitant on truth.

  • james.oliver.520562 - 2012-10-25 15:25

    If all police vehicles have satellite tracking then we could ascertain very quickly whether they were there or not. Also, the IPID would then be able to do a better job of monitoring the police and investigating cases against the SAPS. Just a thought.......use it!

      piet.snot.77964 - 2012-10-25 15:43

      James - just how many times do you hear - sorry but the cameras were not working on that day' " Fire extinguishers as well as a ceiling sprinkler system were out of order last week when court employees tried to bring the fire that destroyed the Polokwane Magistrate’s Court" - the same will apply with the sat tracking systems.

  • Pete7930 - 2012-10-25 15:37

    COPS - Caught Out Policing Streets

  • ludlowdj - 2012-10-25 15:51

    The answer as I have said is easy release the footage of the vehicles, the public will tell you in less than a blink of an eye whether the vehicles are police vehicles or not. As Hugh has already said the banks and the reserve bank have a vested interest in ensuring that this case does not make it to court or stand a chance of being successful. Henry Ford is alleged to have said that if the consumer understood the rules the banking system there would be civil war by tomorrow, that statement is even truer today than it was in his time.

  • avanwyk2 - 2012-10-25 16:23

    \Ja you see.....we do not know how many vehicles tha police owns. We will have to appoint a commision to properly investigate the situation and prepare a tender to make a database u see of all vehicles that the police currently use to perform their duties blah blah blah.......\

  • Roger Small - 2012-10-25 17:23

    maybe government could put tracker in cop cars as well as cameras... but then again they'll say we dont have money,yet ANC spends millions on parties and events #SadTruth

      gerry.gee.39 - 2012-10-25 18:11

      That would be ideal from a Control Room perspective. Instantly locate the nearest unit to respond to a crime, but ja, not SAPS.

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-26 08:38

      And on whole retirement villages for the presidential mega-family, Roger.

  • Roger Small - 2012-10-25 17:27

    why does it feel as though the police force is filled with thieves,murderers and bullies

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-10-26 10:22

      ...because it is!

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-25 17:34

    1st they said there was no it unclear if the police were they gonna say that the police that were involved will be suspended and dealt with.....

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-10-26 10:22

      Suspended on full pay pending further investigation

  • michael.vanwyk.33 - 2012-10-25 18:15

    It really seems like the law have a big hand in this case any which way u read it

  • gerry.gee.39 - 2012-10-25 18:28

    Cime Support Unit vehicles?

  • aiazmir - 2012-10-25 21:37

    If this is "fudged" by the police I invite you all to join in a a demonstration and close the Ben Schoeman Highway for a couple of hours. We should not put up with this corruption. We should demand proper policing (that is not likely by the SAPS). This requires an occupy movement of gargantuan proportions. How can they not identify these vehicles as police vehicles. Surely police vehicles have markings on them. The criminals who run this country have been caught with their "fingers in the till" and I will not allow them to get away with it.

  • thabo.shaku - 2012-10-25 22:21

    We need more AUTAs and NewERAs to save us from this ANC regime!

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