'Unfair' to compare Selebi to Shaik

2011-12-28 14:33

Pretoria - Convicted former police chief Jackie Selebi has not applied for medical parole, and it is "unfair" to compare his case to that of convicted fraudster Schabir Shaik, the correctional services department says.

Correctional services commissioner Tom Moyane said on Wednesday that Selebi was seriously ill and that doctors had recommended he stay in the medical wing of a correctional facility indefinitely.

Monyane said his department wanted to be transparent and open, but that the rights of patients had to be respected.

He added it was "unfair to make a comparative analysis" between Selebi and Shaik, who was released on medical parole in March 2009, after serving two years and four months of his 15-year prison term, because he was apparently terminally ill.

"We will not move into the comparative of the two," said Monyane.

'Critical but stable'

Earlier, Selebi's doctor said he was suffering from "end stage kidney disease" and his condition was critical but stable.

"It's reached the stage now where renal replacement therapy has become imperative," Heleen Bierman told reporters in Pretoria, adding that he was not currently a candidate for a kidney transplant.

Doctors had recommended that he stay in the medical wing of prison once discharged from hospital, which according to Bierman could happen towards the end of January.

Moyane said various chronic illnesses complicated Selebi's condition.

He had "uncontrollable sugar diabetic levels", "soaring hypertension levels" and "also had to undergo laser therapy to both his eyes".

"He is currently being treated by a team of doctors at the nephrology (kidney) department... his condition is very serious but stable.

"Because of the abnormal and stressful conditions of incarceration and his age being against him, the combination of his chronic illness compounds his medical care conditions," Moyane said of the 61-year-old.

He said correctional services had received a medical care report, according to which Selebi's medical management was complicated because of his diabetes and need for dialysis.

His medical team advised "he be kept indefinitely for the period of incarceration in the medical wing of the correctional facility".


Steve Biko Academic Hospital's chief executive Dr Ernest Kenoshi said staff at the prison where Selebi was being kept would be trained in administering dialysis, so Selebi could receive it in prison.

Selebi was taken to the nephrology ward of the Steve Biko hospital in northern Pretoria last Monday under armed guard.

The disgraced former police chief was booked into prison on December 5 to start a 15-year jail term. He was found guilty of corruption after he accepted money from convicted drug trafficker Glenn Agliotti, and showed him a British drug investigation report. Selebi was president of international policing agency Interpol at the time.

His appeal against his corruption conviction failed in the Supreme Court of Appeal on December 2. Selebi watched the judgment on television at home and collapsed when he heard the outcome.

  • JamesLoretz - 2011-12-28 14:42

    Yes the difference is Shaik had to actually apply for medical parole before his cronies let him out. For Selebi it happens without him even lifting a finger! Banana Republic.

      Squeegee - 2011-12-28 14:48

      It is stupid not to compare the two. Both have friends in high places. Both are crooks. Both suddenly became ill when it was time to face the music, etc. etc. Add Devani and you have your trifecta...

      JamesLoretz - 2011-12-28 14:52

      Also add that Serbian assassin who all of the sudden is "very ill". One big joke! That is what's becoming of our justice system!

      Mike - 2011-12-28 15:03

      Amazing how he was "perfectly healthy" (sic) before watching TV of his appeal and then all "hell-broke-loose"?! Did he not expect it at all? Then I suppose the cronies gave him a sad deal! Do doctors have an avelliate politcal stance and if so, how many were involved with shaiky and which party? Trust me, the same will happen with Malemmers' appeal! It's NOT only who you know, but WHAT you know!

      Kala - 2011-12-28 15:46

      Selebi owes us the tax payer, R15 million in legal fees. Now he is milking us even further as we, the tax payers, are paying for his treatment. Including laser therapy on his eyes! Due you know how expensive that is???!!!

      craigtjames - 2011-12-28 22:11

      What is he trying to say - is he admitting Shaik bs'd everybody? We know that - our judicial system is a joke, amongst all the other things which makes us nothing but a circus with a toss up between Julius and Jacob for the job of ringmaster!!!

      Sharkshoot - 2011-12-29 10:46

      One thieving sneaky ANC croney is no different to any other.

      Pierre - 2011-12-29 12:18

      Pity for both they did not play rugby in Pretoria. Would have gotten away with a fine.

      Mike - 2011-12-30 14:44

      No, he lifted a kid-me! Heh-heh!!!

      Gollum - 2012-01-06 11:38

      'Unfair' to compare Selebi to Shaik...err I think they're confusing "unfair" with "inconvenient" simply because the "connected-buddies-sick-get-out-of-jail-card" is becoming embarresingly obvious

  • Ben S - 2011-12-28 14:46

    Yes Shaik paid money. Selebi received money.

      George - 2011-12-29 11:20

      Yes and now the recipient of the funds is ruling the country. The law requires that TWO people must be involved in corruption. In other words one has to pay and the other one has to receive but in this case the receiver is ruling the country. His son owns mines and all the lucrative businesess. Wow this is a lovely country crime seems to pay. Whilst people are suffering with no water , no sanitation , no work and food some people just have the better side of it. what can I say I really thought that Mr Zuma is what he says he is but i see no difference in this country.

  • MoAfrika - 2011-12-28 14:47

    "Correctional services commissioner Tom Moyane said on Wednesday that Selebi was seriously ill and that doctors had recommended he stay in the medical wing of a correctional facility indefinitely." Does this mean the other one was or is not seriously ill? which is it?

      Daft - 2011-12-28 15:10


  • ruda.sealie - 2011-12-28 14:56

    Like you have a right to use the word "unfair"? Really now.

  • Beetroot - 2011-12-28 15:02

    I agree, they dont look anything like each other...

      Johan - 2011-12-28 15:49

      Ha, ha. Wonder how their golf handicaps compare...

      Jacqui - 2011-12-29 10:33

      Thanks for the laugh.

  • Anthony - 2011-12-28 15:09

    Just thinking what the hell do these guys smoke? they all cant be brain dead,

      George - 2011-12-29 11:22

      Anthony you have a lot of faith in these guys. Where does it say they have ever lived. They have been brain dead since birth.

  • Wesley - 2011-12-28 15:11

    That is definitely true. Shark is a case on his own, not to be use for any future legal references. That was orders from top finish en klaar. B.tard

  • Deeteem - 2011-12-28 15:17

    Shaik was/is a mate of JZ, Selebi was/is a mate of Mbeki !!

      martin.gee.godfrey - 2011-12-28 16:23

      Cowell. Basson's cime was deemed policitcally motivated under the TRC. Personally I don't condone his release or the two Waterkloof boys or Clive Derby-Lewis or the bloke who killed his girlfriend in Pietermaritzburg 10 years ago and drove around with her in his boot and hundreds of other prisoners of all races who are paroled annually. However, this country has parole rules that allow for prisoners to apply for and be considered for parole after completeing a certain portion of their sentences. Parole usually has strict conditions attached (most of which are currently being flouted by Shaik) and the parolees are supposed to be prisoners in their own homes. For my part, if you take a life or rape and are convicted, there should be no parole. But our constitution protects the rights of prisoners irrespective of the crime committed. It's the parole laws that should be changed and the loopholes closed.

      Cowell - 2011-12-28 18:51

      @FerretGee,I fully agree with you.These are such laws we need to make our government to amend because they have the potential of dividing us as the nation,sometimes along racial lines.When such things happen we have no choice but to try and find out the motives behind and that is when different suspicions creep in, correctly or incorrectly.We ask ourselves, what relationship exists, what race etc.But in a nutshell I fully agree with you.

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-12-28 15:30

    Give him parole. No need to justify nepotism , it hasn't stopped u before.

  • Humble - 2011-12-28 15:44

    "Unfair"??? I’ll tell you what’s unfair - a FAKE, well timed sickness that no one has heard of before, the cause of a CONVICTED criminal now living in relative luxury at the tax payers’ expense... THAT'S unfair!

      christel.snodgrass - 2012-01-10 15:48

      Actually I have heard of his illness before. Selebi is on insulin for his diabetes and I know this because he has the same doctor as my mom, who is also diabetic. The hypertension problems are also due to the diabetes and most probably the kidney failure as well. He started dialysis shortly before he started the appeal to his conviction. The man is really sick. Don't get me wrong, I feel he belongs in prison and can get the treatment he needs there. But then again, why should we, the taxpayer pay for it. Rather let the bastard stay in a private hospital where he can pay for it himself.... Dialysis is damn expensive!

  • Larry - 2011-12-28 15:46

    Its only unfair until he gets parole. Then it becomes outrageous.

  • Errol - 2011-12-28 15:49

    Lies more lies and when in doubt LIE!!!Second rule..LIE!Third LIE again.Then 3rd,4th and 5th rule...lie some more!!Oh...forgot a HUGE rule...deny.That can be rule 6,7,8,9 and 10.Along with lie and deny,always steal as you go about denying and lying.It really works!!Certainly in South African politics.Not just when the crooks go to jail,but,in everyday management of all aspects of government...

  • darren.peach - 2011-12-28 15:57

    If they say its unfair to compare him to Shake they are indirectly admiting that Shake being released from prison was not legit......

      Peter - 2011-12-28 16:13

      Darren.peach are you stupid, cant you spell SHAIK durr durr durr

      Shoosh - 2011-12-28 16:44

      @Peter if you are going to correct someone's spelling, albeit a bit of sarcasm, then check you own first mate. It's not "durr durr durr" rather duh, duh, duh.

      darren.peach - 2011-12-28 16:45

      Mmmmmkay........SHAIK. My Sincere apologies world. I spelt the name of a criminal incorrectly. I am doomed to a life time of disgrace.

  • Mark - 2011-12-28 16:11

    Revoke the parole for Schaik and send him back.....legislate it if necessary; put Selebi on dialysis, and when stable send him back to jail. Build a complete medical wing so that those convicted of crimes will still be behind bars , and those who think to fake their illness will stop....those with legitimate illness will get treated...behind bars.....Finish and Klaar!!!! Enough of this stupidity.....time for justice to be done...or the alternative will happen.....Vigilante assasinations of the wrong doers......believe will happen if steps aren't taken....

  • martin.gee.godfrey - 2011-12-28 16:13

    You can't fake kidney failure and dialysis, you can fake/control hypertension. If Selebi is on dialysis, the medical wing is where he should be. Shaik manipulated his illness and is clearly not dying, playing golf and smoking fat cigars is hardly the lifestyle of a dying man. It must be over two years since Shaik went home. As for Selebi, sure, his illness coincided with his incarceration but, as I said, it's damn hard to feign kidney failure!

      Cowell - 2011-12-28 19:01

      @FerreGee, I like your objectivity.

      mundu.olewega - 2011-12-29 03:42

      It's questionable if he is even on dialysis. Only after his sentence was he suddenly sick.

      Jacqui - 2011-12-29 10:37

      Sure thing, but you can mess about with your medication and your kidneys are going to fail and that is another sure thing.

      George - 2011-12-29 11:55

      @ Ferretgee You are right. You cannot fake renal failure( Kidney disease ) but this type of disease has a trail. It cannot happen in a moment when a judgement is read. Trust me the doctors will not just confirm renal failure. These are done by way of bloodtests and also to see if there is tubular necrosis. The bloodtests we use is called BUN , Creatainine and GFR ( Glomercular fitration rate ). The first two blood tests show signs of elevation and the other should decrease in order to only start looking. They say he is very ill , yes it might be so but nowhere during his trial was there any signs. However i do not see that he is at the end of the road since there are other possibilities , if the prognosis are correct , sich as opeartions to clear tubular necrosis , peritoneal dialysis , etc etc. These last mentioned procedures plays a vital role in end stage renal failure of which selebi has not even reached. Come medical profession not all of us are stupid some of us also studied medicine and the like so if you want to bullsh*t do so where there are no other learnered colleauges. Rather give him the treatment that is available but he is nowhere near dying as far as i am concerned , and as far as what the media has given , that he deserves medical parole. In any event nowhere did he ever received treatment for renal failure and it was never mentioned that it was acute. All of a sudden he is dying. Rubbish man.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2011-12-28 16:17


      Cowell - 2011-12-28 19:07

      @raymond.kok3, its difficult to respond to you my brother because your English is not straight, but one can pick up that you are a confused fellow.

      Jacqui - 2011-12-29 10:38

      Ever heard of hypocrisy?.

  • mashandu - 2011-12-28 16:18

    guys let us not condem a dying man but let us tressure all his life style.....oh by the way if you convict selebi and shaik thet means our jz is also going down...dont you people see that this whole story is to blind us and protect zuma

      mundu.olewega - 2011-12-29 03:44

      Not just blind us but to rip us off.

  • waltersmpowerfm - 2011-12-28 16:40

    How critical is the laser treatment to his eyes? Isn't that a "cosmetic procedure" in the language of the medical aids?

  • Ngqu - 2011-12-28 17:03

    Blithering idiot. The man is admitting that there was something wrong with the release of Schabir Shaik. The fact of the matter is we can shout and scream as much as we like, Selebi will be released. The man talks of unfair as if he does care what unfair is. What is unfair is having a criminal for a president whose friends and family are above the law. Ps. by criminal I don't mean in the actual sense, but in the same context that his friends will "take up arms and kill for him"

  • Stanley - 2011-12-28 17:20

    Can Shaik be rearrested for faking his illness to death? If not, why not, and where does the "fairness" come in? Vra maar net...

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-12-28 17:54

    Bet he gets a kidney before some child that's been on the waiting list for a long time.

      nasheenar - 2011-12-29 10:42

      Yeah like our late great drunk health minister.

      Trots-Blank - 2011-12-30 18:49

      Like his miserable life is worth more! He should be charged with treason and executed.

  • kgalalelo.malesele - 2011-12-28 17:57

    Why is it unfair because the other makes us look stupid and the other makes us look like idiots..........wats the difference besides the fact that they all don't want to be responsible for thier actions ........coz they all have the influence must we not compare?

  • brian.opperman - 2011-12-28 18:07

    It's quite strange how no dialysis was required during the trial, especially once coupled with the fact that a newspaper article quoted someone from correctional services saying that the only condition not catered for by correctional services medical facilities, was renal issues. All of a sudden kidney complications become an issue?

      Wes - 2011-12-29 05:36

      My very thoughts.

  • Marius - 2011-12-28 19:25

    Tommy my boy, Shaik has not died yet, have him re-arrested and I will start listening to what you have to say. Between now and then take your comments and stick it up a very dark place as it nothing else but... shyte.

  • Jb - 2011-12-28 20:23

    These spin-doctors can clearly not keep their minds together. By saying its unfair to compare Selebi's case with Shaik's Moyane is admitting that he considers Shaik's case to be fraudulent and a sham. This is the first time any government official has admitted that Shaik's case is fraudulent. Why does Moyane and the others then not do something about putting Shaik back in jail?

  • Bolaji - 2011-12-28 20:34

    I am not a fan of Salebi for obvious reasons, but what I do know is that I saw him at the dairy farm in Centurion about 4 months ago having Tea with someone and the first thing I told my partner was "wow this guy looks very very ill".That was before he was convicted.I am not saying he should be given parole, just an observation.

  • Savourcard - 2011-12-28 20:50

    Unfair for whom? The ANC? Shaik? Selebi? or perhaps all three? Of course there are going to be comparisons ... that's because they are comparable. Moyane is clearly an ANC deployee, because he sure doesn't seem to have got his job by merit of his wits.

  • nspaynter - 2011-12-28 21:18

    I believe Mr. Selebi is genuinely ill and I believe the Correctional Services are treating him just like any other prisoner. But unfortunately when Shaik and Yengeni were in prison they got special treatment and that has done a lot of damage to the Department and the former Minister of CS Ngconde Balfour has a lot to answer for. Shaik should have been returned to prison to serve the rest of his sentence. That would go a long way to return the credibility of the DCS.

  • johan.lotz1 - 2011-12-29 00:07

    Ja not fair to call the Selebi stunt a bout of Shabir Shaik-a-litis? What els? All the simptoms are tha same. Both have a life threatening sickness, both spent their prison sentence time in Hospital, and whach this space he will get a Presidential Pardon like Mr Shaik...Mr Selebi why are you stressed out you know you will be out soon.....

  • braamc - 2011-12-29 05:58

    Yes the rights of criminals - he is one of the biggest embarrassments (not only) for SA. So ill, perfectly fine till sentencing day. SA not stupid, we can all see where this is going, then you compare the difference between Shaik and Selebi, the filth in this country is all above the law - makes me sick and about to collapse

  • godesha - 2011-12-29 06:21

    Why should we not compare? Does it not boil down to the same thing?

  • David - 2011-12-29 06:24

    Did correctional services give mr shaik medical parole without medical advice or in spite of it. They were under the misapprehension that he was seriously ill. The impact of the inaccurate medical advice has not boomeranged on the defaulting and incompetent doctors, and the parole board who faulted - Their licences to practice should be revoked for incompetence and shaik shoud recaptured to serve his term, as he is now fully recovered from a non- existent dread disease. In so doing he has evaded justice. It seems there is repeatedly one rule of application of justice for the politically connected and another for the rest of us. Look at our deplorable president for instance. He is a crimial pending trial, stands accused and his word about wanting his day in court was maqharaj spin.the blue light brigade, the minister of transport.

  • Leslie - 2011-12-29 07:37

    I hope us tax payers are not paying for his dialysis. Didn't the trial cost us enough?

  • Roslyn - 2011-12-29 07:55

    Why, he also plays golf, and smokes cirgars..

  • Gregory - 2011-12-29 08:10

    Pull the power, no transplant, no more laser, no more nothing........... They did say end-stage - so end it!

  • Richard - 2011-12-29 09:38

    Selebi was an absolute fool, but in actual magnitude his crimes were far less serious than Shaik's. Shaik's crimes ran into the millions of Rands and he corrupted a future president. He also cheated in his technikon high voltage engineering examination (twice). Now that's serious. Of course, what exacerbates Selebi's crimes is that he was chief of police. However, I understand that Selebi also did some good police work, it's a pity he was not consistent about it, not that he was a trained policeman, but another one of Thabo Mbeki's trained stooges.

  • pws69 - 2011-12-29 09:55

    "it is "unfair" to compare his case to that of convicted fraudster Schabir Shaik, the correctional services department says." Confirmation from the Department of (AN)Corrections that Selebi will get medical parole. The reason to be given - not economically viable to keep him in prison. Meanwhile, Derby-Lewis, who is way sicker, cannot get parole. I'm no fan of Derby-Lewis, but he does provide the proof of ANC dishonesty, and the Animal Farm scenario we are living through. It is also somewhat ironic that the DAY before Selebi was sentenced he was NOT in hospital.

  • pws69 - 2011-12-29 10:00

    Note that Khubuluse Zuma was also too ill to attend his court appearance, but was seen partying at the Oyster Box a few days later. Also note that Chris Hani Hospital does not even have a working dyalysis machine, but we have a spare one available for Selebi. The ANC voters have got EXACTLY what they voted for. Stop complaining and rioting you fools. You voted for it, so suck it up and live with it.

  • Jacqui - 2011-12-29 10:31

    Won't be long now and he will be home.

  • nasheenar - 2011-12-29 10:34

    WHY???? The comparrison is perfectly correct unless what Tom Monyane is trying to tell us, is that the ones illness is ligit while the other is faking it. Either way both are meant to be in jail. Why has Shabir not died as yet? His illness was terminal?????Terminal for the next 40 or so years ????

  • errol.wagner - 2011-12-29 10:40

    At least he is getting all this free - can you imagine what the 'man in the street' without medical aid would pay - in fact, the 'man in the street' would not even be given dialysis treatment.

  • Nyiks11 - 2011-12-29 10:43

    at this rate we will end up paying for Selebi's state funeral , so we stand to lose both in life or death aii yaai yaai

  • Winifred - 2011-12-30 14:03

    I agree there is a difference. Shabair Sheik has already been raised from his death bed and running around making a mockery of this country. Jackie Selebi is still to get there but his will be quicker.

  • Trots-Blank - 2011-12-30 18:47

    Selebi should have taken a lot of tampons to jail with him. On the box it says you can ski, swim, rollerblade, horseriding...

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  • Garysyd705 - 2011-12-31 07:07

    At some stage I wanted to be a Rhino, I thought it was getting the best treatment ever and soon I realized that Shabir Shaik has toppled the Rhino. Right now, I want to be terminally ill and in prison. Looking at the statistics, the poor Rhino sits in position three while Shabir occupies the second spot and guess who is in position one “Jackie Selebi”. Let’s not forget Tony Yengeni who has made it in the top5.Not surprised at all, ministers get R92m for renovations, furnishings & extra security. Take a guess what the overall winner Jackie Selebi is going to jail with •Doctors from the Steve Biko Academic Hospital would visit the medical wing and propose what changes needed to be made to ensure that the room was sterile enough for the procedure •Medical staff from Steve Biko hospital would monitor Selebi’s condition on an ongoing basis •He will have to be on dialysis for the rest of his life

  • stjohn360 - 2012-01-06 16:30

    I really hope i didn't pay one cent in tax money to have a corrupt as*hole get medical treatment from a team of doctors who then gets released

  • Mboneni - 2012-01-10 23:46

    It is incorrect to say that shabir shaik was terminally ill.where did he get the treatment to recover so fast that he began to smoke and even have the strength to fight junos.He was not ill it was a way of letting a friend free

  • siviweviddosngcobondwana - 2012-01-17 08:40

    Selebi befriended Agliotti with full knowledge of his activities and the consequences thereof.His arrogant finish and klaar declaration says it all.He has to suffer the consequences, because justice has to take its course irrespective of the person's social standing.

  • nyirendamd - 2012-01-17 12:30

    Why not compare them? Jackie learnt a trick or two from his ANC comrade, Shabir on how to get out of Prison early. Jackie must serve his time. There is nothing special about him. He is a crook, plain and Simple. To all sick inmates, if you hear any stories of Jackie's intended release, also apply for medical parole, then it will be fair