Value human rights, Zuma says

2012-03-21 14:18

Johannesburg - South Africans must not take freedom and human rights for granted, President Jacob Zuma said on Wednesday.

"Let us celebrate the right to life, equality before the law, human dignity, freedom and security of the person," Zuma said at the Human Rights Day celebrations in Kliptown, Soweto.

He said the anti-apartheid protests in Sharpeville and Langa in the 1960s were used to assert people's right to work and live in urban areas.

"They were also reflecting the poverty and under-development in rural areas and then Bantustans.

"Our infrastructure plan is intended to tackle the legacy of decades of under-development and to respond to the basic needs of all our people," said Zuma

The infrastructure plan recognised that black people were no longer temporary visitors.

"They are city dwellers, they have rights," said Zuma.

Human Rights Day was previously known as Sharpeville Day to commemorate the shooting of 69 black protesters by the police in 1960.

Earlier on Tuesday, the crowd at Walter Sisulu Square in Kliptown erupted in cheers when Zuma walked around the square.

Security was tight around him with orange jacketed marshals forming a human chain around him and his bodyguards pushing photographers away.

Zuma was accompanied by Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, Justice Minister Jeff Radebe, Deputy Basic Education Minister Enver Surty and Gauteng Premier Nomvula Mokonyane.

A lone protester greeted the morning crowd with a poster at the entrance to the square asking the ANC about its conscience.

"ANC where is your conscience? Sharpeville 21 March 1960," the placard read.

  • Pythagoras - 2012-03-21 14:30

    The ANC are starting to look pathetic to me. They simply can't deliver anything... Under development in rural areas??? You had 18 years to fix this! 18 YEARS!!!!!! WOW!!!!! How long are the people expected to wait??? You are a pathetic excuse for a party! Zille for president!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 14:38

      Unfortunately 18 years is just not enough time to address the 100+ years of injustice. This is a fact.

      Christopher - 2012-03-21 14:47

      The fittest and strongest wins, thats life!! Get over your sorry selves and get on with your lives. Thats how through the centuries you get the rise and fall of empires and people. I am not going to blame the Roman empire/ Maurya Empire/Mongol Empire etc etc for my situation I am in now...!!

      Oscar - 2012-03-21 14:56

      Bluzulu, and neither is a 1000 years...evolution takes a while.

      Liz - 2012-03-21 15:09

      @Pythagoras "fixing under development" that incidently is a direct consequence of the implementation 42 years of apartheid is going to take a long time! I mean the previous government had 42 years to address the issues and made very little progress which is why we have such baklogs today. Yes! I am the first to say the ANC's progress has been disappointing but in some sectors such as the provision of water and energy, construction of rural roads, extension of social security grants etc - they have made good progress in a lot of communities. Zille, or whoever is also going to have great difficulties in addressing the backlogs left by the pre-1994 government so don't kid yourself about any political quick fixes!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 15:14

      We do take freedom and human rights seriously, that is why we are challenging your Information Bill you neo-stalinist dictator in the making.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 15:15

      bluzulu, I was watching a cricket match in the caribbean yesterday, and it occurred to me: no apartheid and run by Africans and yet all the Caribbean nations are still a dogshow of corruption, decay and failure. What do you blame that on?

      Pythagoras - 2012-03-21 15:16

      @ Liz - Excuse me??? Do you know how long 18 years is? They have more than ample resources to have gotten this pulled off by now! If they were not throwing R400 million rand parties and stealing the coffers clean, this would have been done by now! So please do not come and tell me I should not kid myself!

      renesongs - 2012-03-21 15:21

      bluzulu you don't seems to be able to differentiate between fact and propaganda - maybe you were "educated" in the Eastern Cape

      pdilapiso - 2012-03-21 15:28

      how could we as a country move forward building a prosperous country if some 22% of our population is busy having braai-vleises & picnics around the country? the same people who hated black soul,the same people says they never supported apartheid! they continue to disrespect our Government!news2-4whites encourages divisions in our society by allowing pathetic comments & racial ideologies from this minority group!!the black genocide was rife & we are still today feeling the effects of it, whereas they (perpetrators ) are having fun(eating meat & drinking beers)!

      Pythagoras - 2012-03-21 15:33

      @ pdilapiso - If you were refering to my other comment, then this is what I have to say: I do not care for something that happened 50 years ago! The ANC should STOP living in the past! Why don't they give us a national holiday celebrating our unity? The new SA where everybody is equal and live peacefully together! NO! They need to keep on reminding everybody about the past... That is what is spreading racism and hate my friend!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 15:43

      pdilapiso: what would you like the 'whites' to do on this day?

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 15:53

      @ pythagoras, You don't care cos' it never affected your lifestyle or freedoms,

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 15:54

      @ Goyougoodthing, I have not made myself familiar with their struggle however I shall endeavour to address you question in the future

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 15:55

      @ Oscar, Don't be inept. Whats this evolution tripe?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 16:03

      @Blu: they (the islands) didn't have a 'struggle'. It was populated by free men and former slaves of the USA. What they have done with it, not very much.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:03

      Nice to see the use of the "Tantamount" again,,,hehehehehee However , Do you see blacks refer to Europeans as Nazi's even though he was European ,,,,ANSWER , No cos' we are not Ignorant so why do so many here display ignorance even though they have had first world education?

      ulvenkai - 2012-03-21 16:06

      @ pdilapiso -- Clearly the hypocrisy of your own statement was lost on you.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:09

      Does this government kick down doors of Freedom front officials and imprisoning them....NO, COS WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. We allow these creatures to exist and spread their word of segregation even though we know and history has proven that this narrow minded ideology is not conducive to a progressive society. We are more evolved which is indicated by our acceptance of Apartheid radicals after 1994. Peace out,

      pdilapiso - 2012-03-21 16:09

      @pythagoras,goyou & the rest> we will appreciate your participation in building the society and the country as a whole by going to black townships & show your remorse! Participate in all commemoration events all-over South Africa! stop isolating yourselves.. black South Africans will see this as defying the unit of South Africa! No political party could fix issues clouding our Nation nor could braai-vleises nor picnics!!!but social-intelligence is key in building our country!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-21 16:15

      @pdilapiso,...I'm sure you realize our two cultures have a different way of looking at life...through the white mans history there have been massacres,wars and up risings, but we choose to remember them by reading it in a history book...but then we get on with our lives..there is no time when you work hard every day to dwell on the past, that's why we enjoy our picnics, it's a time relax...and it's nothing to do with disrespecting your celebrations. If you have a persecution complex and think the whites hate you...then you have a problem. Why would you still be affected by the past..things have so improved for those black people who have moved forward and taken up the challenge...I don't have enough space here to name all the very successful black people in this country...what's wrong with you?..why are'nt you one of them? Because you are waiting for someone to give it to you...It's not going to happen....put your negativity behind you... go out and make a life for proud of who you are...most of all forget what whites think of you...if you have enough confidence nobody can make you feel the way you expressed your emotions on this website.BELIEVE ME! TRY IT!!!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 16:16

      Well there is your problem. I have no remorse. I was not old enough to vote under apartheid, just like most of you lot. I have done nothing wrong and will not apologise for working my butt off and I do not have inbred 'white guilt'. I treat people with the respect and dignity that they show towards me. Not that it is any of your business but I work with 3 charities that deal with children, street life, HIV and Aids. And you know what? Not ONE volunteer in any of those organisations is a black person, other than those who have gone through the programme. So, do me a favour, and put your hands in to work, because I don't see it.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:40

      @ goyougoodthing; Correction the English had sugar plantations in the Caribbean and many of the locals were slaves from Africa. Now if you require further enlightenment checkout, Unfortunately your argument is BS , the colonist savaged these people as well. NO ONE was spared

      Carol - 2012-03-21 16:41

      You are so right, Friend. Africa has a LONG proven record of inability to govern. Africans are absolutely unable to organise ANYTHING ! Just try getting a driver's livence or passport in this country. TOTAL confusion. Go ANYWHERE - ANY store/post office, service provider or [G0d forbid gov. dept. to find TOTAL mayhem !!!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:42

      You detractors will never learn, All this documented facts yet you stand on your pedestals looking down on us.

      pdilapiso - 2012-03-21 16:47

      sandra, in our African culture we remember those epic fallen heroes that’s why i cannot comment about your culture. since well you are the new dwellers in our country wearing the shoes of your forefathers, its important to respect my culture since we(black South Africans) have allowed you to be the dwellers of this country! If you go to Rome, you will do what the Romans do! But why don’t you follow what are culture requires! We believe in our ancestors not in our oppressors!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 16:48

      Sorry BluZulu you are correct. Thanks for the link. I see Haiti has been free for 212 years, and yet they still seem to be living in the legacy of slavery. Seriously, hundred of years, 18 years, it makes no difference. Germany was split into democracy and communism up until 1990, they seem to have managed to get out of their legacy of communism quite well. Japan was flattened in 1945, they seem to have handled. Vietnam was savaged by the Americans up until 1975. They seem to be doing okay. The Czeck republic, Slovakia, Croatia et al were ravaged by communism, terror squads, detainment without trial, burning of literature and seizing of assets. They all seem to be doing quite okay, thanks. Why is that.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 16:53

      pdilap: as I stated, your culture also seems to not be very good at getting involved with charity work, should I also honour your culture and leave the children I work with alone, I would not want to upset your culture. You are as bad as the people you hate.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 17:02

      I admit that I did not look into the history as well as I could have, yes. Admitting a mistake is not a problem it's how we learn and grow. Haiti has been independent for 212 years, they still can't get their act together.

      pdilapiso - 2012-03-21 17:21

      @yougoo..Like i mentioned earlier that we as a Country we need to exercise social intelligence to correct issues facing our society not only one side seemed to be proactive (taking the initiatives)! I said no political party could fix these issues nor braai-vleis or picnics could help!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:22

      Why not educate your comrades that once we as a nation own the issue then we can move on however this continuous BS that Apartheid was not a crime against humanity perpetrated by many posts at this site ensures the issue will live along time ,well after we are no longer on this planet.

      wehan.victor - 2012-03-21 17:22

      @ bluzulooser can't you read dude, he said sorry. by the way, you argue like a kid. @pdilapiso you don't "allow" "us" anything. we don't "dwell" on your country. South Africa belongs to us aswell, get used to it.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:26

      What we expect from African Euro's here is to respect these fallen heroes that have given the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom today. Just thank these saints for showing yous the error of your ways and move on. Thats the expectation from our Euro brothers and sisters (Let us not forget).

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 17:31

      Guys, i like the term "social intelligence", that makes sense to me. I can't say apartheid was the world's finest hour, indeed, to treat people or even animals in that way makes me sick. It's not how I was brought up, it's not the way we should be. What I do see is a lot of hate on this site, black and white, and I see a lot of different cultures and creeds and social groups not understanding each other. When it is suggested that Zille must hand over to a black person that statement is as racist as any other statement. It implies that race is an issue and yet we pretend it is not. Be angry, be upset, go postal, whatever, but don't justify racist actions with 'addressing a legacy of apartheid'. That is like f8cking for virginity. It's time we all got over being right and rather do what's right. And what is right, is making a world we would be proud to give to our children and look them in the eye as we hand over. Right now, I am embarrassed at what we have done.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:41

      Nice one Vic, however as I have indicated before , once the personal insults are aired, I know I have won the discussion. @ Goyougoodthing.....Sweet as mate. Respect mate

      sachasea - 2012-03-21 22:26

      Since when was fraud or corruption a human right?

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-22 00:40

      now come one and white. We are all grown ups. Enough of this hate for one another. Why can't we put our differences aside once and for all, especially on human rights day. Let us at least try to repect each other.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-22 00:46

      It is time we learn from our past and history not to repeat history. Life is valuable. I am going to make a concious effort to treat and respect other people, no matter where they come from. Please, let us all try to just make that step "a concious effort" is your decision. I have said things because i get angry. I see so much hate, and when i think about it I ask myself is it really necessary. The future is in our hands....let us embrace each other and learn to respect each other. Each day that we are alive is precious. I will change my user name too soon.

      vuyour - 2012-03-22 11:01

      I agree with the non delivery of the ANC. Zille for president I don't think so. Zille and DA is still far to biased to rule SA, ANC is far to corrupt to be in power again. not voting is not an option and all other parties are pathetic. We need opposition to form one party that will oppose the anc to have a stronger balance parliament

  • Themba - 2012-03-21 14:36

    "Let us celebrate the right to ... equality before the law, human dignity, freedom and security of the person," Zuma said at the Human Rights Day celebrations in Kliptown, Soweto. How about having your day in court Zuma? Only thereafter will I give what you just said a second thought.

      mastersvoice - 2012-03-21 15:48

      Agreed - and while he's at it, have a chat to his nephew about the miners they've left to starve. How about some human rights there, Zuma?

      Lacrimose - 2012-04-27 14:12

      He's taken the other approach - giving many prisoners a get-out-of-jail early card

  • Christopher - 2012-03-21 14:37

    Decades of apartheid...decades of ANC rule...Soon they are going to have to stop blaming apartheid as they will need to start blaming affirmative action!!

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-03-21 15:33

      27000 Nurses are required in the Eastern Cape. I am sure if they did away with AA they could fill the posts, or not, all the money has been stolen. Bling Bling???

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 15:59

      Correction, decades are 10 year timeframes. So now that you have been enlightened, it has been 1,8 decades and counting. No way will this land ever be ruled by anyone other than the rightful owners of the land. As we say here in NZ...."The Tana te fenewa" which means the people of the land!!!

      Christopher - 2012-03-21 16:22

      Bluzulu..get a life, stop stealing mine...Its coming on twenty years, that = decades!!

      Christopher - 2012-03-21 16:27

      You and your ANC "party" are CORRUPT.FULL STOP. You are gluttonous thieves...And if you support ANC, then so are you Bluzulu.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:31

      A day to celebrate the lives of our lost freedom fighters and the ultimate sacrifice that they gave for our FREEDOM today. Rest in peace the TRUE Saints of RSA

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 17:07

      BluZulu, as they also say in NZ, what is Maori is Maori, what is the Pakeha's is also the Maori. Sounds familiar. BTW, if SA is so great what are you doing in NZ, I left because it's so BORING.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:47

      I have answered this before however I shall answer this again As my nik (bluzulu) suggest I am a blue / unhappy Zulu living in AKL as I have left my home to ensure my two girls get the life they deserve. Without the blatant fascism as the posts here at this site indicate. I am a fifth generation RSA and once my girls are happy adults and living their own lives I shall return to RSA as my engineering skills and my voluntary work will be appreciated by the unfortunates.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:49

      @ goyougoodthing is cos the redcoats never conquered the Maori hence the treaty of Waitangi was signed. Be aware this is the only black culture that was never conquered by Colonist therefore it all belongs to the Maori. It is accepted here by the Pakeha, they understand that this land belongs to the Tana te Fenewa.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-21 18:07

      Blu, I grew up in NZ and have lots of family there. I was also there for the RWC. They did sign the treaty of Waitangi, but the Pakeha are NOT stoked about it at all. That is a little white lie right there. The Maori claim the seabed and foreshore, including fossil fuels, something which they never used. They claim the sky and tax the planes (this is dinkum truth) and everything in between. Winston Peters is about as racist as one can get and not be a nazi and that nutter Tame Iti should be in JAIL. All is not roses there either, but the people, in general are all great, as always it's the chiefs and politicians who mess it up.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 18:17

      @goyou, this is their right as this is their land, they can claim it all cos it belongs to them.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 18:22

      Agreed, Mr. ITI is a bit out there however every democracy requires these ultra characters. What I do know is that he has the right to behave like this cos' this is a democracy. I personally do not agree with ITI however he has the right to reach out to his people as long as it is within the law.

  • Mark - 2012-03-21 14:39

    Ya well no fine, and your plan entails exactly what?

  • Shirley - 2012-03-21 14:42

    Dont you find it amusing that politicains give these "heartfelt" messages now and then,but in reality you never see those speeches put into practise. Funny how that always happens.......

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-03-21 15:35

      ALL politicians are crooks, they are great at telling us what they will do if elected, Promises are made easily, but difficult to put into practice.

      Helmut - 2012-03-21 20:46

      In particular when the government is busy fiddling with the constitution! Human rights celebrations could soon be a thing odf the past if Zuma and his cronies have their way!

  • Jacques - 2012-03-21 15:00

    Equality before law? You yourself plunder millions and end up president with a salary of millions more while we get beaten up by cops at road blocks? Human dignity? Hundreds of thousands promised houses 17 years ago still living in squalor? Please. Reading this circa 2000 reprint of a speech is sickening.

      Jacques - 2012-03-21 15:05

      Safety of the person?! There were 69 people murdered in Sharpville 1960, right? There are 50 people murdered each and every day in South Africa. So what? Is yesterday a public holiday as well? \Public Fear Day\? No. Yesterday was Tuesday. When will this brainless droning end?

      flysouth - 2012-03-21 15:29

      As far as I know Jacques that number of daily muders is still about the same, at 92 daily, as it was when the NMS (Mational Mortality Study) was carried out a few years ago. Little has changed since then re. crime and yes, it puts Sharpeville way in the shade but it is not mentioned anymore since the ANC cannot make propaganda of it!

  • Johnnie - 2012-03-21 15:01

    Is this the speech President Zuma is going to take to Parliament tomorrow to abide by. Hope so, but have my doubts.We will see tomorrow.

  • mholthuysen - 2012-03-21 15:04

    And than you bemoan the same thing over and over; yet at the same breath you rob us of our freedom i.e. muzzling the press; and our economic prosperity whilst you fill your pockets!

  • Oscar - 2012-03-21 15:06

    No Zuma, we are not taking freedom and human rights for granted that is why we are opposing your attempts to fiddle with the constitution, media freedom, etc. Not everyone is as gullible as your grant dependant followers, you Mr. President is currently the biggest threat this country has ever faced in terms of taking away our freedom.

  • Hermann - 2012-03-21 15:14

    "Let us celebrate the right to life, equality before the law, human dignity, freedom and security of the person," Zuma said at the Human Rights Day celebrations in Kliptown, Soweto. - Lies and balderdash as usual.

  • renesongs - 2012-03-21 15:15

    Zuma's empty headed ramblings is tantamount to Hitler telling the Nazis to love the Jews

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:03

      Nice to see the use of the "Tantamount" again,,,hehehehehee However , Do you see blacks refer to Europeans as Nazi's even though he was European ,,,,ANSWER , No cos' we are not Ignorant so why do so many here display ignorance even though they have had first world education?

  • Mark - 2012-03-21 15:17

    Well, lets see now: Wanting to change the constitution. wanting to tinker with free speech and hide corruption through secrecy. Subverting the law through the NPA to avoid trial on corruption. Oh my soul - Jacob Zuma is surely not the man to address the Nation on Human Rights!

  • Gary - 2012-03-21 15:49

    Really??? LOL Zuma is an absolute a joke of a president. It's about your right to decent free education, your right to decent equal opportunity employment, jobs, services, housing, healthcare & public transport. In a safe & secure society free of corruption raping its people. Need I say more.

      Simon Mtshwene - 2012-03-21 16:00

      On POIN :-|

  • Simon Mtshwene - 2012-03-21 15:52

    We want our Jobs, you are full of empty promises. Viva Mbheki / Mr Mbalula for president VIVA.

  • Robsschele - 2012-03-21 16:01

    Where can you find the numbers of people that died for freedom in their countries. These must be the true numbers. Not just some numbers made up for propaganda purposes. I found these on the internet. I am sure SA is at the bottom of the list of people that died for their freedom. According to a Human Rights Commission report submitted to the TRC (Truth and Reconciliation Commission) in 1997 the number of blacks that died during Apartheid (1948 to 1989) was 7 000. Compared to 14 000 for the period 1990 to 1994. Compared to 174 220 for the period 1994 to 2000 (under Nelson Mandela) The report also states that about 92% of deaths were caused by 'black-on-black' violence. (1990 to 1994) Please note this is not from Apartheid Government's books but from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission set up by all political parties after the collapse of apartheid. If you really believe there to have been millions of deaths, do tell where you think the bodies are buried?

      George - 2012-03-21 16:55

      Well done. We must speak the truth

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-03-21 16:19

    what about the right to be called a south african for once and really mean it

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:39

    @ goyougoodthing; Correction the English had sugar plantations in the Caribbean and many of the locals were slaves from Africa. Now if you require further enlightenment checkout, Unfortunately your argument is false , the colonist savaged these people as well. NO ONE was spared

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-21 16:41

    You detractors will never learn

  • George - 2012-03-21 16:53

    Dear Jacob Zuma, President You have done a lot that is good. But no need to stop there. One of the most fundamental human rights is freedom of movement. You know the e-toll system is against such a basic human right. Please eliminate it. Even the apartheid government was not so obscene as to charge people from moving from point a to point b on a public road. Do what is right and scrap it. Redemption awaits.

  • Phil.Kleynhans - 2012-03-21 16:54

    Zuma come right. We cant fix the past: But we can fix the future. Go to youtube and see what a 13yrs old speak to adullts in a conference. We must wake up. This is SA's future. DON'T KILL SA

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-03-21 17:06

    Let us black people not forget those who died to pave the way for us. Stop complaining and do some good so that we can all prosper. President Zuma should address all the criminals who live here in Our Country, they have no rights to rape and murder us, we are also Human Beings and we have the right to a peaceful life.

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:25

    What we expect from African Euro's here is to respect these fallen heros that have given the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom today. Just thank these saints for showing yous the error of your ways and move on. Thats the expectation from our Euro brothers and sisters (Let us not forget).

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-21 17:40

    Nice one Vic, however as I have indicated before , once the personal insults are aired, I know I have won the discussion. @ Goyougoodthing.....Sweet as mate.

  • Sabelo Xaba - 2012-03-21 17:43

    Reality check fellow south africans.... Don't waste your time complaining and complaining. If you have studied your history and trully know how the world works, you will realise nothing will change in south africa in our lifetime!!!! So make do with what you got, stop letting the media fuel your fire of racism and enjoy what's left of our beautiful country.. All this negativity is unhealthy. One more thing, democracy is there in place to make everyone think they are equal when in actual fact people were never and never will be equal, and people will always be racist!! Just get over it, such is life

  • Sunette - 2012-03-21 17:51

    Bluzulu, read this and get educated past ANC propaganda PLEASE! BY Vusile Tshabalala, journalist,(a black journalist) August 2001-- At the start of the year 1900, the number of African South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared to 8,5-million -- and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us -- all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in homelands and townships -- and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond's rigid racial segregation system. During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also had the benefit of the Broers' medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.

      Meister01 - 2012-03-21 18:07

      Sunette. Bluzulu is very comfortable in New Zealand. Thats why it is so easy to talk.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 18:47

      So why not let US ALL progress together, Why stand on our shoulders to achieve goals when we could have done this side by side?

      lovenergy - 2012-03-22 08:52

      @bluzulu, judging by all your previous comments; that’s the last thing on your mind. You have so much hate in your heart and it shows. You don't even live here anymore yet you are more than willing to break down and insult people. You need to realize that not every white person on this site or in SA is a racist; with your words you ignite hate between the people of SA. You are very fortunate that you could go to another country and wait for things to stabilize in SA. A lot of us will never get that chance; some of us are stuck in SA awaiting the storm and people like you with so much hate do more bad than good. Some of us are too scared to have children because we don’t know what will happen in the next year and things are only getting worse and worse here in sunny South Africa. But it’s easy to judge from your high horse across the oceans. Your children are a few of the lucky ones, our children stand a good chance of being slaughtered in their country of birth before they will turn 18 and that goes for people of all colors. Yet some people still feel that they have a right to bring more hate to the people of SA. I know there are loads of racists in this country but let me tell you one thing; SA racists come on all colors. We are ALL suffering here and it will get a lot worse in the next 6 months the only way we will survive is by uniting and accepting each other as human beings

  • Sunette - 2012-03-21 17:52

    Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the decades prior to the official policy of apartheid,(which was started in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was only 38 years. However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to 1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years -- on a par with Europe's average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe's, but considerably lower than the rest of the African continent's. And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased by 50% percent.(source: "a crime against humanity: analysing repression of the Apartheid State", by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee). Deaths due to political violence during apartheid: Max Coleman's authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 18:45

      Why live longer whilst on your knees?

  • Sunette - 2012-03-21 17:52

    According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved. This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978. Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book's detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence. The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures. The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 18:46

      We were disenfranchised in 1890 by Cecil John Rhodes and his "Glen grey act". How many have die since 1890?

      lovenergy - 2012-03-22 09:04

      . @Bluezulu, that's like asking how many people have died since the start of time. Stop living in the past, if you want the blood of innocents on your hand that’s for you to deal with. What do you want us to do about it? Say it; do you want a racial war in SA? DO you want to see innocent children being murdered and raped? Maybe if SA was a country where murder, rape and abuse were unheard of you would have a valid argument but we aren’t. It's getting worse and it's thanks to people like you that can't let go of that hate and uses the past to justify it. You weren't even alive in 1890 and neither was I. If we carry on this way your children won't ever be able to come back to this country because we will be so busy hating each other because of the past that we will forget to build a future for our children and they will be the ones who suffer.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-22 12:45

      @lovenergy, The post was just pertaining to the Sunette post. We have moved on , All we require is ackowledgement regarding the moral implications and the effects Apartheid has caused however as you can see from the posts seems many are not ready to do this. Seems like some people are trying to trivialize our struggle and disparage our history, This we can not stand for. Lest we forget how mothers were told at the truth and reconciliation council how their kids were dismembered and thrown into drums of acid . Please don't belittle our struggle, You have NO right to!!

  • John - 2012-03-21 18:04

    It is about time we had a Human Responsibilities Day!

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-21 18:11

    pdilapiso, I can not believe you actually said you allow us to dwell in YOUR land....WOW!!!!.. I'm not a racist..but what I am is truthful...therefor I will point out a very obvious truth to you...had it not been for the hard work of the white people that have helped to build this land to what it is...such as Highways..requiring qualified engineers, dams requiring engineers, electricity plants requiring qualified electricians, would you like me to go on...NO you should be so grateful to far behind in development would South Africa have been had you not benefited from the white man being here ? We don't believe in our ancestors being there to help us...after all what have they done for your nation? I realize you will never appreciate or accept the white mans way of thinking...and here lies the biggest issue between our two cultures. I can only pray that in time to come our children will find peace living together.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-21 19:10

      BS , we were not given the opportunity to grow this country as well. The government ensured that only one culture was allowed to do that and now yous want recognition? HERE IS THE TRUTH!! If we were given the opportunity and then refused your opinion has grounds however as history indicates this did not occur therefore your argument is baseless.

  • Manu - 2012-03-21 19:26

    The impression created by some (especially in the white community) is that fixing South Africa is a cake walk. As some like to say, "You have had 18 years!" But consider for a moment that by the end of apartheid over 90% of the population enjoyed a standard of living well well below that of the other 10%. For any government to elevate the standard of living of the 90% to match that of the 10% is a monumental task that would challenge any government on this planet. Many of the black leaders who entered government had no experience at this level. So while the false starts are not acceptable they have to be understood in the context of the history of the country. By positioning themselves as the champions of all that is good and characterising blacks and their leaders as bumbling fools whites are estranging themselves from the majority. Nobody wants to listen to an arrogant and self righteous person no matter how loud they talk. If the white community truly have South Africa in mind then they should offer encouragement and advice instead of heckling all the time. Remember if this country goes down you will go down with it.

      Louisa - 2012-03-21 19:46

      Very true Manu..Most of White South Africans are so selfish. Instead of working together to see a prosperous SA...they await for it to fail so we can vote Zille in. It will never happen .

      Adil Smit - 2012-03-21 20:31

      In a mature democracy you vote for a political party because they're doing a good job.

      Manu - 2012-03-22 08:02

      Adil Smit that is a common misconception of democracy. In a mature democracy you vote for the party that you believe will serve your best interests, whatever you deem those interests to be. 'Doing a good job' is only one of the qualities that a voter may be looking for in a party. Many here suggest that black voters are so simplistic that they should focus on only one interest when choosing a party, that being that the party should be doing a good job ... a roundabout way of saying vote for the DA. This is very condescending and immature attitude. I am sure that many of you vote for the DA for a variety of reasons including your perception that they are doing a job. Why not extend that charity and understanding to your fellow countrymen? Why imagine that voting for a majority black party is an act of stupidity?

  • Anneck - 2012-03-21 20:19

    Well said Jacob! Value human rights! Not long until you take them ALL! You've already started!

  • marius.vosloo - 2012-03-21 20:28

    Equality.. Zuma, is Something you Know Nothing About!!! Zuma Talks About Human Rights, but Supports The White Genocide by Singing Kill The Boer. Zuma and His Racist ANC Will Burn In Hell with Their Devil Brothers for Promoting and Killing White South Africans..Just Because they are White.

  • guy.goes1 - 2012-03-22 07:39

    bluzulu keeps on sprouting the anc unhelpful slogans, there is something like self help, education, family planning, healthy life style, all these do not need outside influence but can immediately start at home. Our indian population showed how self improvement can result in amazing upliftment in a very short time.

  • guy.goes1 - 2012-03-22 08:02

    bluzulu's reasoning and pontifications about how we should solve our delemma's is interesting and throws a foreign slant to the issue. Interestingly whole sections of native maori people have not progressed in 5 decades ,still live on generational handouts, produce very little, have a terrible record of child molestation and violence. According to N.Z information stats.Their upliftment appears mostly driven by their goverment but not by them.

  • Colin - 2012-03-22 16:07

    What I see in most of these responses is that the average ANC-supporter will excuse almost anything done wrong by government, because apartheid dominates their whole being and the way they think. It gives them enough reason to keep a pathetic and corrupt regime in place. It may be understandale, but it can never be wise or right. I also see that anti-ANC people (like myself) see that most ANC yea-sayers happen to be black people, and then we make the mistake to suspect all black people of being as pathetic and ignorant as the ANC. Maybe we don't understand well enough what apartheid has done to them. We need to be far more cautious with our comments toward blacks in general, because it hurts. And it's not the way to build our country. But please don't expect us to respect the scandelous ANC government. They are a disgrace.

  • Alf - 2012-04-27 11:31

    When will government follow its own advice and start to respect human rights?

  • George - 2012-04-27 14:33

    Why is it that Namibia, Botswana, Uganda, Zambia, are relatively well run countries with friendly, proud people with nowhere near the resources of South Africa. They even manage to attract our farmers. No crime, little corruption (beyond the standard human norm). They don't have racism, they do't have AA, they don't abuse their minorities and I think they all have the death penalty.

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