Violent strikes 'get bosses to listen'

2012-10-23 22:34

Johannesburg - Violent strikes are the only way to get bosses to listen, almost half of a group of young adults surveyed told market researcher Pondering Panda.

Forty-seven percent of 2 888 people questioned subscribed to this view, researchers said on Tuesday.

At least 26% felt violent strikes were against the law, and said strikers should be arrested.

Twenty-one percent said violent strikes were a waste of time, because the strikers were not better off afterwards. Six percent were unable to decide.

Fifty-three percent of young black South Africans felt violent strikes were the only way to get bosses to listen, but only 11%of young whites, 35% of coloureds and 25% of Indians felt this way.

White respondents were much more likely than blacks to feel that violent strikes were against the law, and that strikers should be arrested.

Fifty-three percent of whites felt this way, compared to 22% of blacks, 34% of coloureds and 35% of Indians.

Opinions also differed by gender.

Fifty-two percent of men were more likely to feel that violent strikes were the only way to get bosses to listen, compared with 43% of women.

The survey showed that 87% of young South Africans recognised that violent strikes affected food and petrol prices, so everybody suffered as a result.

This opinion was consistent across all demographic groups.

The provinces most likely to think violent strikes were the only way to get bosses to listen were the Eastern Cape (52%), KwaZulu-Natal (51%) and the Northern Cape (51%).

Shirley Wakefield, of Pondering Panda, said: "That so many of our youth feel that violence can be justified when it comes to airing grievances is sure to spill over into the political arena.

"What makes this all the more concerning is that young people feel this way, even while recognising that everybody pays a price for violent strikes, not just the strikers themselves. It would appear that they feel that this price is justifiable."

The survey was conducted on cellphones among 2 888 Mxit users aged 18 to 34 between 16 and 19 October.

The Farlam Commission is currently underway in Rustenburg to establish what led to police opening fire on striking Lonmin platinum mine workers, killing 34 of them and wounding 78 on 16 August.

Before the shooting, 10 people - including two policemen and two security guards - had died in events associated with the strike.

Two drivers were killed in their vehicles in a recent strike by truck drivers.

  • bennie.kruger.5 - 2012-10-23 22:53

    They dont "Think" Its all they know because they do not undertand another point of view and do not have the ability to argue with sense and facts because they are uneducated . They are uneducated because their leaders have abandoned them and only make promises during election time!!

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-10-24 01:12

      Barbaric savages. Where else in the world does people strike in such manner as they do at South-African mines. Fire the whole damn lot and get people in that wants to work. BOGGOM.

      luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-10-24 01:20

      What does education have to do with evil and violence? There are many uneducated/poor people in this world and many of them will never hack someone to death with a panga, or burn them alive. This evil and savageness come from the heart and not the mind, educated mind or not. From these stats the majority believe in this type of violence, then evaluate their hearts - its really scary and sick that we have to live among people like this in a modern world.

      Desilusionada - 2012-10-24 06:57

      @Rupeshhari You also one of those that are not educated and cannot read with comprehension? The article says clearly: "aged 18 to 34 between 16 and 19 October." This should tell you that your over 36 is 2 more years than the oldest person surveyed. This is one where you can safely say it was not apartheid's fault and as usual the old race card is played......

      alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-10-24 07:31

      Rupshhari, which part of "young adults" and "2 888 Mxit users aged 18 to 34" are you going to blame apartheid for your failure to understand? And, for those older than 36, would you please enlighten us as to the world beating educational faculties that they were attending before they had apartheid's bantu education "imposed" on them?

      vicki.malatse - 2012-10-24 09:20

      Most people who were sampled are bantu education products,and most people who are involved in violent strikes right now also.So untill this crop of born free enters the job market in 5-10 years time,we can't blame the current goverment for that.And ul be shocked how many of 'they' are fed up with how thinks are going at the moment,but people like you have themselves to blame cause of your racist comments and the masses will continue to vote their leaders,not bacause they belief in them but they despises you

      alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-10-24 09:39

      Vicki, you can play your race card until you're blue in the face, no one's buying it. I know it terrifies the living daylights out of you but at some point you're going to have to sack up and take some responsibility for your own behaviour. Even if there were racist comments it still wouldn't be an excuse to chimpout, in fact it only reinforces your own racial stereotype and strengthens the racists' comments. As for voting for people who "despises" us, keep going. The biting-your-nose-to-spite-your-face approach seems to be working out really well for you so far. For crying out loud man, get some self respect.

      Desilusionada - 2012-10-24 12:33

      @Vicki.malatse - "sampled are bantu education products,and most people who are involved in violent strikes right now also" Where is that information in the article. You have access to a different internet or version of N24? Y ou prove the point exactly. The one that is being made that you and people like you liveing in cookoo land, always ready to play the race card without taking responsibility. Those "born free" are writing matric NOW. They SHOULD thus enter the job market from NEXT YEAR on. Or is the expectation that these people will study for the next 5 - 10 years?? Or is the reality that it takes 5-10 years to get a tertiary education? Or, because of the inability of the ANC/Gov to create jobs, that it will take 5-10 years before they will be employed.......

      Ntshobs - 2012-10-24 13:26

      This is all rubbish, who confirmed the ages,only a retard blv ages appear on social networks just like all these fools who blame it on uneducated leaders.

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-10-23 23:13

    If you feel, whatever your situation, that other people mean less than you do, you have lost the battle for your own soul. What the truck drivers don't realise, or many of the the other strikers, is that life is a spider's web. If you pull in one direction, the spider is distracted only until you are prey. In the mean time, crops have been left to rot, workers on farms couldn't be paid, banks take back the farms, and the spider guards her eggs. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid and selfish. We all know there is a tiny minority influencing the rest. F* em. They work for the spider.

      luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-10-24 04:40

      Hmmmmm, well I dont know about the spider, I do know people have free will and make their own choices, choose to learn, work hard, make something of your life and respect others, or choose to be a parasite who can only steal from others, have no respect for life and kill those who disagree with you.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-10-23 23:13

    No doubt. But violence is also very thrilling for those carrying it out. They love the adrenaline rush.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-24 09:38

      Also interesting how these statistics roughly mirror the percentage of crimes committed by demographic area and race group. This would indicate to me that the causes to both sets of data are perhaps interlinked and might be traced back to, of course, apartheid, education, the way we were raised by our parents,tradition and the surrounding social structures we were brought up in and of course the percentage of people that are genetically prone to violence. Apartheid(a white institution) we can effectively do nothing about, as the concept ended in 1994, to be replaced by racism in our present life, which we can do something about, and that means ALL of us, not just the white people. The genetically violent people we can do nothing about except remove them from society before they do too much damage. The rest of it is all in our hands and our children will hold us to account. The key factor is to work together despite our differences, or perhaps because of it.

  • gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-10-23 23:22

    This is the result of bringing "the youth" up believing that savagery, murder and violence is a perfectly acceptable part of society. Eff the anc and everything they stand for.

  • - 2012-10-23 23:49

    Numbers, numbers, numbers... I trust no "number" coming from "A" any news agent. (Don't always believe what you hear in the news) and "B" any number coming from our hypocritic, biast, crooked government!

  • emmakajee - 2012-10-23 23:56

    If the study was conducted via Mxit that means race was one of the questions asked, which is wrong. It perpetuates racial issues in our country. Results are sad and insightful but I have little respect for the response breakdown.

  • heinrich.swart.3 - 2012-10-24 02:18

    What will 'get workers to listen'? Mmm boss, worker... Who is supposed to be the BOSS according to the survey?

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-10-24 05:30

    It also gets you fired, and exposes your criminal tendencies..

  • johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-24 05:47

    The heading violent strikes is all "deja vu." My experience in industry repeated itself year after year. When it was time for the bosses to listen they turned a deaf ear, when it was time to make a stand they bent over backward. This shows a lack of experience and ability on the bosses' part. Here the workers went out on a wildcat strike and the actions thereafter were not the responsibility of the management team. Here the bosses should have made a stand as all the indicators are in their favour.The mine workers had no instruction from their employers to do what they did. It is ironical that the police are also blamed for the loss of life. Here I support the police 100% as they performed their duties to the letter. Did they expect the police to run away? GOD forbid!!!!!

  • david.diego.14 - 2012-10-24 05:50

    Tht's true;violent strikes gt bosses to listen

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-10-24 06:13

    It is concerning to see that this article includes the fact that government is also treading a fine line, and that this dissatisfaction amongst the middle generation has a great possibility to spill over into a national crises, outside of the 'work place'. It would also be safe to say that this years strikes are actually a result of people being dissatisfied with how the ANC/Alliance government is conducting itself and that these particular violent strikes is a manifestation and the start of greater more generalized public marches and antigovernment movements to come. It is clear that despite the ANC's constant false promises, lies and their populist solution to politics that more and more of their electorate are not being fooled any longer. The ANC governments constant use of violence to quell public protest and strikes is eventually going to catch up with those in command, as already there is grounds for politicians to stand trial for crimes against the nation. Those in the ANC power house of cards is setting themselves up for a great burn in the future, it would be interesting to see how many of these ANC cadre's will run into exile again. The rot is already devouring itself, as they begin to assassinate themselves from the bottom up as lower ends of the tower of bum's jostle for jobs in an attempt to ensure they get themselves pieces of crumbs falling from the rotten cake that is invested with mould. The ANC has poisoned itself, and in the process poisons the nation!

  • Owen-Chandirekera Taizviona-Jairos Padera - 2012-10-24 06:36

    yes yes yes yes Yeeeeeees . vapei sando dzavo .

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-24 06:49

    Violence always gets people to 'listen', that's why criminals use it to rob, rape and hold hostages - it's effective AND VERY WRONG AS IT ALWAYS VIOLATES RIGHTS OF OTHERS!

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-10-24 06:59

    The next question should be, "Do you accept and understand that if you do not meet your employer's requirements he can then use violence to get what he wants from you. Late for work, absenteeism, deadlines missed, targets missed, bad attitude, inappropriate behaviour.....BRING ON THE LASH! Is this where we have sunk to?

  • sean.tearnan - 2012-10-24 07:31

    Proof that the government is breeding a bunch of criminals

  • stephen.j.dickson.3 - 2012-10-24 07:39

    These people are basically all Levers i.e. simple tools........bottom line.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-24 07:49

    Violence is never the answer, why must innocent people die or get hurt because of a few violent hooligans. Many times, look at the miners, they even turned on their own people. This is not the way to solve problems, we are living in the modern world and its time people learnt to leave history behind and move on. After you have hacked your co worker because he did'nt want to participate in a strike or something, you hack him to death, does that make you feel strong, satisfied and a big man, afterwards you look his family in the eye and feel no remorse.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-24 08:28

    And get people killed. The unions have proved to be worthless and government who have investments, alliances and vested interests also are useless in sorting out the problem. Another system needs to be found to give workers a fair deal. Unions here don't pay workers when they call a strike like they do overseas, what else are union subs for other than to make fat cats out of union bosses.

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-10-24 08:37

    If this is the mindset of the next level of labourers exect more of the same.

  • aspruyt - 2012-10-24 09:18

    Fire anyone in an unprotected strike immediately and arrest those who are violent! Break the law and pay the price. Oh this is Africa, I guess we just have to accept it. So many of these service delivery strikes I ask myself the question: These people demanding better service, do they contribute to the economy and pay taxes so that there are funds for these services, or do they just sit on their asses and demand! Decide for yourself. The word parasite comes to mind...

  • raymond.buis.3 - 2012-10-24 09:50

    But then when police turn violent and shot them, then it's all how did this happen? If you want to use violence as a tool, then you must be prepared for people to use your strategy against you.

  • cynic.martian.3 - 2012-10-24 10:22

    'Violent strikes get bosses to listen' should read 'Violent strikes get bosses to capitulate', i.e. if I don't get what I want, I turn violent no matter what the other party's position is. A very dangerous president is set here. Before we know it the headings will be 'Violent strikes get land owners to listen', or 'Violent strikes get banks to listen', or ...

  • mshiniboys - 2012-10-24 10:57

    True in a sense because bosses tend to undermine people and when you try to reason with them you will be accused of being a ringleader and end up being unfairly prejudiced.

  • guyp1 - 2012-10-24 11:04

    Yes, this is how the people (illegal strikers) think in my opinion: "Lets damage private property, vandalize public property, incite riots and kill people. Yes definitely, this is how I am going to get the raise I want in work. Psssh, hard work and dedication my ass, I want money and I want it now at the expense of everyone else, as long as I benefit from it all. Oh, prices of food, petrol and living in general are going up? I WANT MORE and I am willing to continue this ludicrous behaviour until I get what I want. I don't care for education, I don't care for the hierarchy of the workplace, just give give give!!" Those other people that believe that this is the way to getting what you want from those you want, bugger off and go live on an island where you'd need to kill each other for the food on your newly acquired table. None of thee people think about what will happen in the bigger picture. The honestly believe that this is going to benefit them and in no way damage the economy in which they live, causing more problems for themselves and future offspring (<-- which in my opinion is never a great idea for idiots like these). Good luck South Africa in recovering from such a knock to the economy and regaining what was now lost.

  • sean.murphy.165 - 2012-10-24 15:36

    So they think it is ok to break the law to get what they want. Well then they must not complain if they get shot by the police who are just doing their jobs maintaining the rule of law.

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-24 17:16

    That should explain why this country is such a f_ck up

  • rrjventer - 2012-10-25 22:31

    How is it that in my time as a youngster, I had to accept what I was offered! We all have to accept in some way in live, one way or another, we will deal with problems. It is obvious that the traditional way they lived in has been taken away and materialism is been forced upon them as well. People from all different ethnics are drawn to the same boat in live today. These people definitely do not have the best resources and way of solving their problems. They are forced to act or to keep suffering and die, because of their culture and therefore their mindset preventing them from resources. They are been born and swept around in the winds. We are all humans and have the same responsibilities towards live. Those responsibilities are towards humanity. Governments have more responsibility towards the people as that they can think of. The masses make it an impossible task. I would say that Governments would be able start changing that in the next round number of 60 years in South Africa. This can be made possible if the responsible employees in the Government structure themselves have proven record of skills towards humanity. I would suggest a decent population structure and law, enforcing it to begin with. But I guess it is only a short opinion from the same world I live in right?

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