We need VIP planes - minister

2012-07-06 14:46

Cape Town - Announcing the cancellation of R2bn jet deal for President Jacob Zuma, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula said there is a need for VIP planes and a new procurement process can be expected.

The proposed purchase of a new Boeing 777 jet for President Jacob Zuma will not go ahead, Mapisa-Nqakula said on Friday.

She told reporters in Pretoria the procurement process was cancelled after the offer to purchase lapsed on June 15.

A $10m (about R82m) deposit would be returned in full, the minister added.

The ministry confirmed that there was also an offer from Airbus but that this lapsed two weeks later, on June 30.

"I have since met with the companies approached to submit proposals for the procurement of VVIP aircraft, including Boeing, and I have informed them that the current process has been cancelled."

The minister said a new procurement process could be expected in the future because there was a need for VIP planes.

Mapisa-Nqakula said the process involving Boeing was being probed by Public Protector Thuli Madonsela.

She declined to say whether the regular procurement requirements had been followed, pending the outcome of that investigation.

  • clinton.badenhorst - 2012-07-06 14:48

    Whats wrong with flying SAA?

      Klippies - 2012-07-06 14:54

      My point exactly. Put the money back into the country where it is needed.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-06 15:14

      yea I'd like to know whats the basis of this NEED ????? the ANC is all about needs, wants and snouts in the trough

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-06 15:22

      'A $10m (about R82m) deposit would be returned in full, the minister added.' And what about the interest on such a huge sum - who's bank account has that been quietly nudged into? Forgive my suspicious nature - but I don't trust you people.

      rbphiri - 2012-07-06 15:27

      A need for VIP planes??? so basically there is a need for more taxes to be wasted. The government has taxpayers bend over a barrel and they know it, they have us bend over a barrel with our financially fragile backsides just waiting to be pulverized by their thrusting manhood.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-06 15:28

      Bardy : Showing your ignorance, are you? Do you realize that there are many places on this planet which the ANC cadres have not yet visited? SAA does not fly to all these exotic locations. It is as simple as that. Also, SAA does not have beds, sauna's ans showers on board, the decor has no gold leaf inlays and there is not sufficient privacy on board. The VIP traveller's planes must also be able to carry large amounts of cash and jewelry to any destination in the world. Finally, the SAA planes do not have any back-up planes accompanying them. You peasants are so tiresome.

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-07-06 15:33

      @ maseratifittipaldi - LOL! Good one...

      Christelle - 2012-07-06 16:00

      Waste the taxpayers money again - after all, the keep on voting for you. And again there is a probe into the procurement process - can these people not do anything without some funny business going on?????????

      mongwadi - 2012-07-06 16:06

      Let me page through my contacts and see if i still have my buddy Alaah's contact number and tell him to prepare some C4s and other explosive stuff i don't know...

      djbakes - 2012-07-06 16:18

      I don't know if I could restrain myself from throwing a plastic fork at this lot. Better they get their private jets so I don't end up in jail for disrespecting the honourable(bwahahahahaa) ministers.

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-07-06 16:19

      @ mongwadi - You need to cut down on that explosive stuff that you are smoking!

      Diego - 2012-07-06 22:23

      you cannot take connecting fly when going to mexico idiot. how do you think he would have attended the G20 summit if he used SAA. the president will always have to leave two day before the event to make. you know that is not going to work. you are just saying this becuase you are a DA (Dumb Assh8les) voter and you follow everything they say like a sheep

      alf.pop - 2012-11-23 08:09

      I fully agree! Furthermore it would not hurt our ministers and president to do a bit of walking - they are all too fat anyway and their service delivery is happening at a less than pedestrian pace!

  • cj.venter - 2012-07-06 14:51

    we WILL spend your money, no matter what your opinion is. that's their basic message.

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-07-06 15:10

      Well they say once the state has taken it it belongs to the state, it's not yours anymore.

  • boltonbarry - 2012-07-06 14:53

    Just lease one of the outgoing SAA planes

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-06 15:13

      Or give them Persian carpets to travell with broom sticks as emergency

      russell.l.tait - 2012-11-22 09:29

      They wont do that , he needs a bigger shower.

  • bernpm - 2012-07-06 14:53

    Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula said there is a need for VIP planes".......?? Why is one moderate size, twice the speed not enough???

      JaredVN - 2012-07-06 15:16

      In cANCer terms, a VIP is short for "Very Insignificant Penishead" - see Zapiro's cartoon in M&G.

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-06 18:21

      So these folks just wanna fly, why dont they walk and hitch a ride !! I think we shuld start looking for the biggest VIP Donkey on earth so all of them can board the Donkey at the same time. Just mix jet feul and some unrainum so shove up the Donkey poepsak for more speed, and no parachutes its to costly give them umbrellas.

      nicolaas.swanepoel.3 - 2012-07-07 04:49

      Because it will not have enough space for family and friends!

  • bernpm - 2012-07-06 14:53

    ....or just SAA services?????

  • richard.zanner - 2012-07-06 14:53

    It was only cancelled because the media got hold of it.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-10-24 14:20

      Hence the burning desire for the secrecy bill.... Bloody crroks!

  • peter.ndamase - 2012-07-06 14:53

    Go tell that to the Poor... your SUV and yourself will be burnt beyond recognition

  • calliedj - 2012-07-06 14:54

    That R2bn can be used in so many better ways...

  • JHLR73 - 2012-07-06 14:55

    Yes, like there was a need for the multi billion rand arms deal a few years ago!!I am sure the need for VIP planes are on the priority list, SA really need to spend milions more on planes, it's what the country and its poor people need right now..

      adnan.essop - 2012-07-19 20:31

      Maybe they can use the new plane to deliver text books on time.

      Julie Bingham - 2013-05-26 11:46

      And they'll be able to fly over the tolls!!!

  • johnspook.fourie - 2012-07-06 14:56

    Food, education & housing are definitely not important through the eyes of this goverment

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-07-06 14:58

    And the poor needs houses,running water, electricity, toilets, jobs etc. What is more important?

      joe.irwin.50 - 2012-07-06 15:58

      The planes Kobus, the planes....

  • Slash0x - 2012-07-06 14:59

    There is no need for such a thing, why can't you be just like everyone else?

      Julie Bingham - 2013-05-26 11:48

      Because they're NOT just like the rest of us - they have huge egos and the rest of us understand what life is all about.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-07-06 15:00

    Please explain "The need", or is that a "Want", as in toys to play with at the taxpayers expense?

      Julie Bingham - 2013-05-26 11:49

      The "need" is for yet another handout!!

  • handy.andy.773 - 2012-07-06 15:02

    stop flying arround so much and do your jobs! if only they would use these to visit schools and hospitals we would not have so many problems.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-10-24 14:24

      These morons have the utter gall to be visiting other countries and advising them. As my late husband used to say, " they couldn't organise a F*** up in a whorehouse"!!!

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-07-06 15:02

    We need jobs,housing,crime free streets,food and a coorupt free government. We dont need to have government flying their "swords" around in billion rand jets!

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-07-06 15:22

      The "swords" should of read "spears" but with new media laws.......

  • TheVern69 - 2012-07-06 15:03

    What \WE\ need is a completely new government! First you buy cars which you don't even drive and now planes...what's next...the bahamas??!\r\nPpppfffttt

      Julie Bingham - 2013-05-26 11:51

      I wonder what they'd do with the bananas, that this country is so well known for.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-07-06 15:03

    Ministers or any of the likes do NOT need VIP planes, while your people are busy starving! Period! Should you continue, it will show your disrespect towards your own people and their needs as you think think that the ministers and likes needs are more thatn the people. Shamefull, disrespectfull and selfish!

  • Teuneman - 2012-07-06 15:04

    I can't see why our officials can't drive polo vivo's and live in adequate accommodation. But this ANC is serving thei're pockets. Not the people.

      minnie.newman.7 - 2012-07-06 15:41

      Why do managers and directors of companies drive fancy cars but they cannot give their staff decent increases or bonuses?

      nicolaas.swanepoel.3 - 2012-07-07 04:53

      And yet the people continue to vote for them........ unbelievable....

  • AdeleFHM - 2012-07-06 15:05

    oh please! You can fly SAA

      Stuka - 2012-07-06 15:12

      Jeez Adele jy's hot!

      Ricardi Louw - 2012-07-06 15:24

      @ Stuka hahaha

  • keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-06 15:11

    VIP PLANES ?????? What the hell I think all of you need Donkeys !! Why dont you order some VIP DONKEYS its much cost effective and use our tax money for the poor.VIP Donkeys will suit you all.

      khensani.nkanyani - 2012-07-06 15:17

      Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak tltltltltltltltltltlt lol lol lol lolest Lmao dead by Donkey

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-06 18:16

      Donkeys are not expensive to maintain and does not need spare parts,and build VIP sleeping places for the donkeys , so the govenment will save lots and lots of millions and they can also decrees their salaries .

  • hc12345 - 2012-07-06 15:12

    ELECTION 2013 IS COMING... A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves! "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

      Clive - 2012-07-06 16:13

      Well said. The sooner this nation start using their heads when voting, the sooner this self imposed VIP status will disappear.

  • Erna - 2012-07-06 15:14

    Which VIPs?

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-06 15:17

    Use the airline which you force us to bailout every year...

  • Gavin - 2012-07-06 15:17

    so basically what you're saying to the tax payer is f_ck you, we may have cancelled this deal, so all we'll do is make the next purchase of this size, legal and legit. zuma doesn't need to transported in this kind of luxury while SA rots away, he should follow the lead of other leaders and travel cost effectively. he seems to be under thus mistaken impression that if he arrives at the party in a Prius, he'll be frowned upon. what he fails to realise is that the rest of the world probably know him for the schmuck he really is.

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-07-06 15:18

    Someone please teach our leaders the difference between "NEEDS" and "WANTS".

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-06 15:19

    We need VIP planes. We are souls.

  • fanie.rudolph.1 - 2012-07-06 15:20

    Hulle gatte af geskrik...... heeheeeheee

  • dirk.brink88 - 2012-07-06 15:23

    The people of South Africa asked for a "revolution" it is starting in the form of Thuli Madonsela. Ps. To any one with power, that should be a role model - a person who ask if an action was just, regardless of the position or ethnicity of the person in question.

  • TshilidziPhuravhathu - 2012-07-06 15:25

    that was a good start when JZ took the metro rail train from PTA to Rodesfield then the Gautrain to JHB then the Rai Vaya to Soweto,not that i blame hime for not taking a taxi but hey enough said! lets move it up a notch take SAA Mr Pres....

  • tebogo.makaneta - 2012-07-06 15:25

    Well now we have an extra R2bn in our hands. Let us now allocate it where it is needed. I've an idea let us start with the five bankrupt departments that are under administration in Limpopo. Anyone,anybody help our government with ideas about how to spend R2bn on a poverty stricken country such as S.A

      tebogo.makaneta - 2012-07-06 15:47

      @ Phil...SAA is doing just fine. There is no need for private jets aka toys. Our gov needs to learn how to prioritize.

      tebogo.makaneta - 2012-07-06 15:52

      Watchman that's a good question. If the rest is not there atleast we are sure about the R83 mil of deposit that our gov is going to get back in full. It is time we used our local resources to the max.

      Julie Bingham - 2013-05-26 11:59

      My idea to this government - bugger off!!

  • mohlake.tau - 2012-07-06 15:27

    the public is watching u,come 2014 D.A will ..........

  • henk.venter.754 - 2012-07-06 15:27

    first you need to have vip's to buy them a plane. NOW you only have a lot of idiots on vacation paid for by the tax payers of this country!

  • williewow.lekubs - 2012-07-06 15:28

    Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula u cn go ahead n buy urslf a plane with ur salary we dont care mara when u put ur suggestion on our tax monies now u cossing the line sister tjo

  • kkgosiemang - 2012-07-06 15:28

    Why as a country cant we build 109 schools around the country or build new roads or at least fill all the potholes in the country unlike buying a luxury plane? JZ is only left with 2yrs of service, cant you just complete your term without wasting? We are begging you mr president. Plz dont compare us to other rich countries especially because we might experience a recssion again in the whole world.

      jenny.webbe - 2012-07-06 15:37

      He's lost the plot - he's forgotten how most people struggle to make ends meet, to say nothing of the poor in our country who struggle to eat enough and feed themselves. What a fool he is!

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-06 16:58

      He doesnt care about his people - he is selfish and greedy.

      diegofrank.faul - 2012-07-08 00:44

      ya right we need new planes didn't we complain about R210m and two planes hired for one trip to the US the other day. we need new planes your people have very short memory. schools and all that have specific budget it's not like they said they was no money for that because of schools. people get your heads straignt don't try to fit in by just blaming without understanding the real reasons

  • ernest.gouws - 2012-07-06 15:32

    I bet my last buck the pilots will be white.

      ndlovusola - 2012-07-06 16:13

      Excuse me ernest is it really necessary to put up such a stupid comment damn this obe education is starting to show its effects! Even if a pink man or woman were to fly that thing its stil a waste of money to purchase that jet.

      johan.maree.5036 - 2012-07-06 16:29

      Go away Ern!

  • millionwatts1 - 2012-07-06 15:32

    I feel sorry for the sales person who thought they had bagged a good one. Nxa business sucks!

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-06 16:05

      Don't write this deal off just yet - Boeing don't entertain African half-wits without expecting some pay back in one form or another.

  • christina.setloboko - 2012-07-06 15:34

    please Mr president use that money for paying e-toll debt!

  • joe.irwin.50 - 2012-07-06 15:40

    We need VIP planes says she. No we don't say I.

      ernest.gouws - 2012-07-06 15:47

      We need VIP planes says she. No we dont, we need VIP's Very Intelligent People.

  • willem.dehaan.94 - 2012-07-06 15:45

    Amazing - and to think that those corrupt, thieving, country-mismanaging, self-enriching, criminal Nationalist prime ministers and presidents of the previous crime against humanity illegal government flew SAA! Clearly, they had no idea how things are done properly by a self respecting, honest, efficient, prudent, white as the driven snow, government that is so concerned about the poor, not to mention the poorest of the poor, that it keeps them awake at night! As the ANC never fails to remind us, those Nats can learn a lot from them! Let us not forget that our highly respected and grossly underpaid leaders all sacrifice their lives for the benefit of the country and ALL its people! They could make millions and live like kings following their respective professions, so let us not begrudge them these liitle luxuries - they scarcely make up for the great sacrifices they make - and all for you!

  • martin.brasg - 2012-07-06 15:46

    After the legit tender process goes through, these jets will be purchased. What I want to know, as a tax-paying citizen, and eventual "share-holder" in these aircraft, which days will I be allocated to fly in them?

      Julie Bingham - 2013-05-26 12:07

      Nice one Martin.

  • craig.becket - 2012-07-06 15:46

    Can we not rather buy new Hercules transporters?

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-07-06 15:49

    He will get it after the election.

      kathleen.whiteley.7 - 2012-07-06 16:08

      He will have resigned by then

  • selvyn.meier - 2012-07-06 15:56

    Buy a plane from Nationwide and use that for the VIP's

  • jim.binnie.1 - 2012-07-06 15:58

    We already have a "Presidential Jet" and this taxpayer sees absolutely no reason to buy another except to massage the already large ego of Zuma. Who knows - he may not be the president when the plane is finally delivered so rather use the money to build houses for the people in this country who really need them. Now that would be a really "presidential" act.

  • charmaine.rowlands - 2012-07-06 16:00

    Isn't the CURRENT Presidential jet classed as a VIP plane??? 2BILLION South African Rands can build one hell of a lot of houses!!! What is WRONG with you??

  • SARealist - 2012-07-06 16:01

    As a SA voter and tax payer, I wish that the ANC Minister etc fly SAA. After all The UK PM flys with British Airways. That is a true rolemodel and walking the talk. Not like our ANC regime which says do as I say and not do like I do.

  • donald - 2012-07-06 16:04

    i thought they had recently revamped some jet at some great cost to the tax payer

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-07-06 16:06

    Really now!! What we NEED dear Minister is educating and housing the people that voted for change and to stop crime and corruption in government. Don't know why u people are flying around when u got a country to sort out. Get that sorted 1st then u can bye as many planes as u want.

  • Clive - 2012-07-06 16:08

    What happened to the fancy plane that Mbeki got before early retrenchment ??

  • monique.america - 2012-07-06 16:08

    Why don't they just use Metrorail. Its been getting(not) South Africa to work for years now.