Western Cape officials challenging EE plan

2012-02-23 11:35

Cape Town - Western Cape officials are taking on the national correctional services department over its employment equity policy, according to a report on Thursday.

The officials would approach the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration on Thursday to challenge the use of national and not provincial demographics in the equity plan, the Cape Times newspaper reported.

The officials, who are coloured, claim that they are victims of racial discrimination and have been denied promotions.

The department announced in June that the Western Cape would have an equity target of 79.3% of black employees, 9.3% whites, 8.8% coloureds and 2.5% Indian.

The province's population is about 54% coloured, 26% black, 19% white and 1% Indian.

Labour lawyer Michael Bagraim, who represents the officials, told the newspaper about 400 people were affected.

"We'll use this case as a litmus test," he said. "I think they have an excellent chance of winning."

However, acting national department spokesperson Phumlani Ximiya said it was confident the equity plan was water-tight.

"It [the plan] is not only applicable in the Western Cape. There are also regions such as Eastern Cape and Kwazulu-Natal. The department is doing the right thing," he said.

  • Bokfan - 2012-02-23 11:43

    For those of you who may not au fait with the situation this is one of the biggest test cases in the history of the nation. If the WC officials do not eventually win it is "nag" for minorities. And if they do the anc plans for ethnic cleansing will have been dealt a body blow. Thanks and godspeed Mr Bagraim and the plaintiffs

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-02-23 12:35

      I wonder whether coloured ppl make up 54% of the workforce in the western cape...? 54% of management positions in the western cape ? 54% of senior management? hmmm.... not likely! It would more likely read 80% white, 10 % black, 7% coloured, 2,5% indian....etc

      Chanel - 2012-02-23 12:46

      @Chester, is it white peoples fault that our parents believe in small families which enabled them to send us to good schools and universities? I will no longer apologise for being white, white people work hard and are educated. The best man/woman white, coloured, black, pink or violet should be in the management position.....

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-02-23 12:54

      yes Chanel it IS actually. The ppl wer denied entrance to good schools and universities. plied with alcohol instead of decent wages. so yes... the answer is yes.

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-02-23 13:41

      The point is it has been "nag" for coloureds since Jan landed- who has been oppressed and marginalised longer here in the south of africa? So the ppl who never pushed the provincial stats in the first place anyway, now want to have a look at it?!?!?

      Bokfan - 2012-02-23 13:46

      Chester If this perversion of a fairish law that is meant to redress the wrongs done to ALL BLACK people, not just africans, is carried through by the courts you can just replace the whites with africans and the rest ( but for anc lackeys) will remain stymied as they were before. I have seen the process unfold in many places my friend and it is as obscene and frightening as anything from the apartheid days. Possibly worse, because there at least there was a semblance of competence required to rise in the ranks not just party affiliation and corruption.

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-02-23 14:18

      Bokfan - If they succeed in keeping the use of the provincial stats, will they do USE it this time ?!? I dont think Helen has ever looked at these demographics until now maybe...

      Chanel - 2012-02-23 14:22

      @Chester, yawn yawn, the same old same old, "we were denied education".... white people educated themselves throughout the years!!!! Do yourself a favour and go to the Voortrekker Monument you will see the early books written by white people to educate their own people. Why could black & colourd people not start their own "good" schools? Black people were never denied entrance to university, my mother and her adopted black brother both went to university together!!!

      Heibrin - 2012-02-23 14:23

      @Chester: I didn't know there where coloured people in 1652? Unless you claim to be Khoi-khoi?

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-02-23 14:30

      Chanel - we did!Despite ur efforts! have u not noticed? But ur gov did notice. and forced coloured and buntu education on us. Do ME a favour and pick up a book. yawn yawn

      Byron - 2012-02-23 14:32

      @Chanel - whats with the guilt? who asked u to apologise? all chester made was a statement regarding his experience in the corporate world. you obviously have an uninformed biased view and by all means you are entitled to it. So, go make yourself a cup of camomile, relax and when u calmed down, go research how many kids HF Verwoerd had to support your claim on small families being a pigment of your imagination

      Bokfan - 2012-02-23 14:35

      Chester Transformation is a non-negotiable. But the way the anc does it is destructive. In a myriad cases its shown that there is a strain of bad faith and vindictiveness frequently present in the process. Thats no way to grow a nation. The EE Act ALWAYS meant for a balance between competence and transformation. The track record of national and local government tells you clearly what their mistakes have been. The DA is more principled and will not be bullied into throwing its future away for short term gain.

      Chanel - 2012-02-23 14:43

      @chester, judging by all your spelling mistakes - no I haven't noticed...I would say someone has a chip on his shoulder...

      chester.wandsworth - 2012-02-23 14:55

      Bokfan- DA is not the answer either. Patricia is waaaaaaay too quiet now. Do you know her to be this quiet?

  • DSBennie - 2012-02-23 11:49

    They should take it directly to the International Court for Human Rights

  • Ben - 2012-02-23 11:52

    This is bad. If the A.N.C. base everything they do on colour, provided the colour is black they are wrong. The essence of the constitution is that everybody should be treated equally.

  • TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-23 11:53

    god im getting so tired of this whole racial story.

      Ben - 2012-02-23 12:18

      Same here, I wish we were all green or purple.

      Sharon - 2012-02-23 16:58

      lol@ Ben, then there will be shades of dark purple, or as in "Die Groen Faktor" dark green!!

  • Linda - 2012-02-23 12:08

    The fact is, EE is an ACT and therefore should be implemented accordingly, thus far most companies do not want to comply with it, giving numerous reason, but mostly stupid, such lack of skill amongst the previously disadvantaged, talent/skill these individual possess etc, but this is not true at all, The DOL should start introducing penalties for non compliance!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-23 12:30

      How about you actually go do the research yourself instead of believing everything a politician says to you..

      Angle - 2012-02-23 12:44

      The Fact is EE is an ACT and the department of correctional services is in contravention of this ACT.

      justin.pretorius - 2012-02-23 13:32

      People do not want to implement it as it is a racist act. Injustice cannot be undone with more injustice

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-23 13:35

      @Linda. Sorry to see(hear) you lost out on that promotion/position. Please do not be bitter against people who also just wants to make a living and most probably work hard for it. Rather bitch that there was only one vacancy. The country should have developed already now by so far that there should have been a shortage of employees, but ja.........we all know the reasons.

  • Warwick - 2012-02-23 12:20

    This just proves that anywhere in the world a black cannot make it on merit and that the only way they can do anything is by government forcing people to employ them thus not getting the best person for the job. Look all around you at present in that every province and government department is on the verge of collapse or has collapsed. This is consistanly reported right here on News 24. Merit or skill does not come into the equation but rather cadre deployment or window dressing and then to top it all they then need to employ whites consultants to do the job of the person employed thus doubling up on the salary bill.

      Linda - 2012-02-23 12:30

      Fully disagree with you, and I'm sure you fully aware of our HISTORY, when the minority came and changed almost everything that was created by Africans, marginalised them into township and designed a system to ensure that they'll never succeed. The fact is there are AFRICAN people with suitable skills but marginalised by the minority that have put every attempt to block them from succeeding, VIVA EE and BBEEE, down with CORRUPTION and NON COMPLIANCE!!

      Truthis - 2012-02-23 12:42

      It precisely because of the past that blacks generally are incompetent. Therefore they should not be in positions of power.

      justin.pretorius - 2012-02-23 13:37

      @Linda I am sure Linda will tell you that there were palaces everywhere, everyone was rich and had a car in the driveway of each house, everyone wore Gucci suits and everyone was dancing to the tune of "Shiny Happy People" before the evil white guys pitched up in their archaic wooden ships. The evil white guy took away all of their things and put them into townships...of course they forget to tell you that SA was still decades ahead of the rest of Africa. A sad historical point that is totally overlooked by most

      Chanel - 2012-02-23 14:26

      @Justin, could not have said it better myself!

      Warwick - 2012-02-23 16:27

      Then tell me Linda my dear, where are all the skilled "previously disadvantaged" when every single government department, parastatal, province, city and town run by the "previous disadvataged" is in total and utter chaos, as often reported right here on news24.We here of all these skilled and qualified graduates. Why are they not being empoyed to run these instutions to as they should be. Even the mines run by Khulubisi Zuma and Jacobs lawyer Michael Hulley is in total meltdown with black workers not being paid for over a year. I must apologise for my white ancestors coming here in the 1700's and destroying everything you created and forcing you to converse in English. However, believe me when I say this, I do want every man, woman and child to succeed to their best of their ability.

  • Murechen - 2012-02-23 12:27

    The plaintiff's have my full support.

  • Lloyd - 2012-02-23 12:29

    ...there is an oversupply of coloured people... sound familiar?? these people(anc) just do what they want, stuff everyone else..

  • Putin the " - 2012-02-23 12:34

    B**S, EE is here to stay. otherwise we will get rid of provinces!!

      Truthis - 2012-02-23 12:43

      Just pass a law limiting what jobs whites may do and get it over with. you morons learnt from your previous oppressors very well, now hurry up do exactly what they did.

      Lloyd - 2012-02-23 13:01

      who do you think you are?

      Byron - 2012-02-23 14:36

      Truthis, please come collect your dompass from me this afternoon, I'll be handing them out in the CBD all week

  • willybegood - 2012-02-23 13:06

    Looks to me like ol Jimmy Manyi's comrades are enforcing his ideas. This is going to end up in the Constitutional Court, no matter which party wins, the other will take it further. Good luck Bagraim ... time to spread the word peeps, share on FB, twitter and every other social network site. Let the truth be known!

  • Tertia Jardine-Simons - 2012-02-23 13:10

    How can people still think this way in this day and age, thought that we as SOUTH AFRICANS have moved on.

  • Heibrin - 2012-02-23 13:45

    Excellent!! Just one more reason why an asylum application will succeed! Those who believe that asylum applications are judged on crime alone, think again, it deals mostly with racial discrimination, which is blossoming under the ANC, instead of being rooted out at every opportunity.

  • Thulani Mankayi - 2012-02-23 13:55

    "The department announced in June that the Western Cape would have an equity target of 79.3% of black employees, 9.3% of whites, 8.8% coloureds and 2.5% Indian. The province's population is about 54% coloured, 26% black, 19% white and 1% Indian". This goes to show how shortsighted and partial the reporting of News24 is, where in this article do they mention the statistics about employment in those demographics ? How many of that 54% coloured, 19% white and so on is actually employed or unemployed ? See, these are the questions they should not risk leave to speculation. It is clear that they intentionally and strategically post these articles in this manner in order to push an agenda that is aimed at stirring trouble, creating racial divisions in the meantime cashing in on online sales and ratings. It shows how little they think of their readers, pity some of us fall into this trap. We should learn more about our country and stop relying on propaganda and form opinions based on skin colour. By the way I'm Thulani and yes I'm white, so is the Western Cape administration. You can argue that, blame ANC or take it to Human Rights court but whatever the outcome I will always be a Rainbow nation inside and I'm proud of how far we have come. @News24 (Truth = Delete Comment).

      Heibrin - 2012-02-23 14:16

      A few thoughts (use it, don't use it): 1. How does reporting facts make it a racially motivated article? 2. 'Thulani and yes I'm white' - not according to your Facebook page? 3. You do realize that by forcing a 79.3% black employment target for a 26% black population (assuming no others move there - read my comment below!) you will again end up with a huge unemployment rate, as well as positions not being filled due to targets?

      Thulani Mankayi - 2012-02-23 15:02

      I partly agree wth ur number 1 solely because of the precise reason 4 my comment. Research made only speaks of demographics in that region, 4 all we know those ppl might all be employed or vice versa? Secondly did they research the employment stats 4 WC so tht, as a point of departure, we cn have this debate against the minister's statement ? Point being did they go deep as to find out from the minister what he means by 76% ? I might sound like I'm trying 2 redicule ppl here but from the responses I see here, most ppl think 76% of black South Africans will be moved 2 western cape and be gifted with jobs. Obviously recruitment procedures based on merit will be observed but the targets have been set. Your point namber 2 was meant 4 you my dear friend 2 use ur mind not ur heart and think beyond ur skin colour.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-23 15:36

      It is easy to say 'think beyond your skin color' when you are the majority. I may be able to get a job, since I'm highly skilled. How would my son firstly get into university (as there are already racially based intake quotas - NP much?), and then get a job, since he'll be one of the 9.3% of whites allowed to have a job?? Discrimination remains exactly that, regardless of whom does the discriminating and who is discriminated against. Face facts: the act is racist!

  • Heibrin - 2012-02-23 14:19

    Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a *not* so subtle way the ANC is trying to take over the WC? By enforcing this act they will artificially create a need for black employees (at the cost of the other races), which in turn will lead to more black people moving to the WC, and thereby strengthening their voter base. Maybe they just got tired of busing them in, and decided that by having them live there it will be much more efficient??

  • Bokfan - 2012-02-23 14:33

    Chester Transformation is a non-negotiable. But the way the anc does it is destructive. In a myriad cases its shown that there is a strain of bad faith and vindictiveness frequently present in the process. Thats no way to grow a nation. The EE Act ALWAYS meant for a balance between competence and transformation. The track record of national and local government tells you clearly what their mistakes have been. The DA is more principled and will not be bullied into throwing its future away for short term gain.

  • Dominique - 2012-02-23 14:42

    It's about bloody time they challenged this stupid plan! Screw colour. The best man gets the job! Why's this so hard to understand and instil? All of us are exposed to the same opportunities and that's all that counts. What you do then to get the job is up to you. I wish there was a way to simply flush this ''entitled to'' attitude. I'm coloured, my parents were part of the struggle and forcibly removed, yet, I've always been taught to work hard for what I want. These folks need to get over themselves already. To hell with your BEE, BBEEEEE, BBBBBE bull$#t! I'm all for EO. Equal Opportunity baby! MXM. B's and E's.

  • Chanel - 2012-02-23 14:45

    @byron - like the play on words...

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