Winnie spat - suspensions upset union

2011-02-16 22:39

Pretoria - The SA Policing Union (Sapu) on Wednesday condemned the announcement that two policemen had been suspended after being involved in an altercation with ANC veteran Winnie Madikizela-Mandela and her bodyguards.

In a statement on Wednesday Sapu secretary general Oscar Skommere said the union had learnt with "shock, anger and dismay" that the two officers had been suspended.

Warrant Officer Jannie Odendaal and Constable Abel Twala were suspended on Monday with full pay and benefits.

They stopped Madikizela-Mandela's car on the M1 north in Johannesburg in December because it was allegedly being driven recklessly at 150km/h.

The policemen said they believed the silver Audi A6 with tinted windows was "suspicious".

After stopping the vehicle, a bodyguard got out and told Odendaal that Madikizela-Mandela was in the car.

An argument ensued between the bodyguards and the policemen.

The bodyguards have brought charges of pointing of a firearm and intimidation against the policemen.

In line with police internal disciplinary regulations, the policemen were temporally transferred. They also had to hand in their guns.

Skommere said the union wanted an urgent meeting with Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa and national police commissioner Bheki Cele to resolve the issue.

"There is no doubt that the officers have done nothing wrong except to do their job without fear and favour. Sapu is of the view that this will not only demoralise the thousands of dedicated officers in the entire SAPS but will be the wrong step.

"South Africa will end up being a banana republic if highly connected and powerful people do not obey the rules as the general public," he said.

The suspensions on Monday followed Odendaal's filing charges against Mandela and her bodyguards last Friday.

He filed charges of defeating the ends of justice, assault and reckless and negligent driving against Madikizela-Mandela and her bodyguard at the Brooklyn Police Station.

  • Ivym - 2011-02-16 22:47

    Typical SAPU. Only open your mouths once the members have been crucified. Thank goodness both members have Solidarity on their sides and not you or the POPCRU puppets.

      Freakfloyd - 2011-02-16 23:07

      Amen, to that. Solidarity we are all behind you, and the 2 cops. Make us proud.

      lukas2 - 2011-02-16 23:13

      Atleast they HAVE opened their mouths

      Valkerie - 2011-02-17 00:29

      I have to agree! It took them long enough! Only after Solidarity stole their thunder too.. Here's hoping that they'll assist the myriad of other police force members in their struggles against an ineffectual management body and unsupportive leader.

      kasterolie - 2011-02-17 08:14

      SAPU call for a nation wide strike then we will see who gets suspended.

      MathysTheart - 2011-02-17 12:59

      If you were a policeman stopping a suspicious car, two guys get out with guns strapped to their sides, wouldn't you pull your gun? Is apathy(walk in other man's shoes) dead?

  • Chuck Norris - 2011-02-16 22:55

    Why is general Bheki Cele silent on this matter? Isn't he normally outspoken when policemen/woman are treated unfairly? Mmmm, only one conclusion to make...

      grottobay1 - 2011-02-17 05:30

      The gen is tjoepstil as he would like to carry those lucky packet decorations on his tunic a bit longer.

      Souf-Efrikan - 2011-02-17 10:34

      Because the General in General Bheki Cele is not general as in a rank in the force, it is more like general as in common...

      Jaimo - 2011-02-17 14:38

      That slip about the monkey has tamed him - now conveniently as quiet as a mouse!!

  • SharkBait - 2011-02-16 22:57

    I have also looked down the barrel of a pistol when I did not give way to a ministrial convoy which was travelling at high speed trying to pass me, whilst I was doing 140km/h (also well above the speed limit). The government does not seem to realise that public servant means that the public pays their salaries, and they are not above the law. Winnie should have been deported to the south pole many years ago. I don't understand why anyone would put up with her anyway.

      Wes - 2011-02-17 06:37

      Large oil slick sited in the south pole

  • rammstein.f4n - 2011-02-16 23:08

    They're only about a month late.

  • - 2011-02-16 23:09

    Well done SAPu!!!! As you say, they have done their job 'WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR'!!! We, South Africans, are sick and tired of so-called 'leaders' who think they are above the law!!! The BLATANT shocking treatment of Abel Twala and Jannie Odendaal is, well, SHOCKING! Do they, winnie and her cronies, honestly think South Africans would keep quiet about this injustice?!

  • Bill - 2011-02-16 23:27

    WTF - Headlines say Winnie spat??? Then body of the story is contradictory to this statement?? And now??

      Andy49 - 2011-02-16 23:33

      Hahaha, well spotted William.

      Andy49 - 2011-02-16 23:35

      maybe she is like Bonehead Bono - also spitting mad.

      Rolie - 2011-02-17 07:20

      Tiger also Spat.

      Winston - 2011-02-17 07:31

      Is it spitz or swallows??? :-)

      Observer - 2011-02-17 08:01

      @ Winston - I'm eating my breakfast, I really don't care to know if Winnie spits or swallows. :)

      Fritz - 2011-02-17 08:22

      bill... 'spat' is another word for confrontation. check your dictionary before you get yourself excited over nothing - you'll be far more relaxed!

      kasterolie - 2011-02-17 08:44

      Tiger Spitz Winnie can't Bodyguard swallow Odendaal and Twala Still to see Solidarity and SAPU collect the money

      Anthony - 2011-02-17 10:11

      Bill, you are as dumb as they come........

  • slg - 2011-02-16 23:32

    I suspect this is Winnie's Ego at play. The police must stand firm. Our future depends on it.

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  • erictheclapton - 2011-02-17 01:59

    They must be glad Winnie the pooh did not have a tire with her! Bitch!

  • asiseeit - 2011-02-17 04:02

    and to think I got a fine for throwing a Stompie out the window.

      wesley.raleigh - 2011-02-17 05:31

      Thats harsh, Winnie murdered a stompie, and nothing happened.

      Rolie - 2011-02-17 07:17

      Winnie is the Butt of Stompie jokes!!

      Gerda - 2011-02-17 07:54

      Is it Winnie's late stompie youre mentioning? Ha ha ha

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-02-17 05:06

    Cele where is your big mouth now. Where is your shoot to kill policy or backing your cops. You are always keen to appear in the papers but now you hide coward. I thought you might have been diferent but you are just another hyena in the clan.

      Jaimo - 2011-02-17 14:45

      That slip about the monkey has tamed him - so now he is (conveniently) as quiet as a mouse!!!

      Doug - 2011-02-17 17:34

      Lets do a vote of no confidance in our Police Gen and our Police Minister

  • Ja-Nee - 2011-02-17 05:44

    En selfs vandag is daar polisie lede elke dag op kantoor wat op verhoor staan met klagtes van poging tot moord op mede polisie lede. Nadat hulle die lede vir `n nag gemartel het. En hulle is nog bevorder terwyl die ondersoek hangende was.

  • mrsesom - 2011-02-17 06:45

    These two policemen should get Gold Medals , plus increase in Salaries..Also a BIG, BIG bonus..To hell Winnie must go.

      Felix - 2011-02-17 08:37

      They are getting a suspended holiday tho :)... Full Pay nog al!

  • mmdmm - 2011-02-17 07:16

    Who does this person think she is - is she above the Law? The police were doing the job - she was committing an offence and should be punished accordingly yet the very people who are should apply the Law get suspended - what next? Why is everyone afriad of this criminal?

  • Alwyn - 2011-02-17 07:31

    Only upsets them now? a few days later?,My question is"The VIP cops also SAP members were not suspended,but they resisted arrest,pointed fire arms,commited crimin injuria, but only the cops doing their work as perscribed in the SAP national instruction gets suspended,The unions should have been on their sides since day one,POPOCRU and SAPU

  • kathy.becker8 - 2011-02-17 07:42

    Well done SAPA. No one in a democratic and fair system should be above the law.

  • ji - 2011-02-17 07:45

    South Africa is a banana republic already .

  • Mart - 2011-02-17 07:45

    This is the type of thing that confirms to the rest of the world that South Africa is a third world joke, and any investment into this country must be approached with caution....unless of course they invest in and pledge support to the ANC. NGOs and Unions must pursue this matter to the hilt and send a message to the Government that 'the people rule', not struggle has beens.

  • Picasso - 2011-02-17 07:46

    "South Africa will end up being a banana republic if highly connected and powerful people do not obey the rules as the general public," LOL, SA is already a banana republic.

      Felix - 2011-02-17 08:39

      SHHH don't tell :)

  • Gazwa - 2011-02-17 07:58

    Funny how they always comment after the fact, and why did they not change the color of the uniform when they took over to for puss***...they are shocked, well do something about it and take the Granny child killer to task.....maybe not as they would have mass idiots on the streets burning tyres again and going on the rampage...

  • Montile - 2011-02-17 08:00

    The country needs these cops back on the beat - with all the crime in SA, they are doing their correct job and now get suspended because of who WINNIE IS !!! May Justice Prevail against Corruptions of the Politicians...

      Elizabeth - 2011-02-17 08:44

      Yes Montile agree to your statement. hope her body guard does not apply for a SAPS vacancy. Most SAPS ladies uniforms are with pants , no skirts to hide behind. Maybe hire a nigerian to fight crime becomes a option.

  • sjackson - 2011-02-17 08:02

    To the police officers, keep your heads up high, you did your job and you did it well. I am not sure who Winnie thinks she is ......

  • Len - 2011-02-17 08:03

    Immagine, imagine the queen of England speeding down the highway at 150 km per hour with her blue light flashing.

      buddy jones - 2011-02-17 08:22

      ....but then she is cultured and disciplined with real chauffers driving her car, the nominal speed..... without 20 car motorcade,.... without tinted windows and still waving her left hand to the public,,,,,,,,,,,, well in africa, do as the africans do - your own thing!!!!

      Me2 - 2011-02-17 10:06

      The Princess Royal (Anne) got caught speeding.....made no fuss..went to court...paid her fine and apologised......AND she picked up a few points on her drivers license......just like any ordinary citizen would special treatment.....and so it should be!

  • Fedup - 2011-02-17 08:08

    The next time a cop pulls me over I am going to tell him to F#*k off and get back in my car and proceed to lay charges against him! (get him suspended so we have less cops to combat crime) Yay! I guess whats good for the goose is good for the gander! I expect the full support of the Nathi Mthethwa, Bheki Cele and I guess the who ANC government! Welcome on board, or be it late, SAPU!

      burtfred - 2011-02-17 08:44

      You'd better join the ANC before you do that. Oh and you'd better be black or else you're going to be in deep poo.

      Shistirrer - 2011-02-17 09:44

      If the couts find in Winnie's favour that will be exactly what you will be able to do - the legal precedent will be set, and nobody can touch you. Finding in Winnie's favour will effectively render the entire SAPS useless. OK, let's rephrase that, more useless than some of them alreadyt are.

  • Chris - 2011-02-17 08:18

    These 2 cops should not be going through this and specially not be treated the way they are. end of story - no matter how they acted on the scene - if they shot someone \ or physically attacked someone sure then investigate. This is a simple speeding \ indangering other ppl's live and 2 cops acted to prevent someone from getting hurt. now they get stabbed in the back for doing their work. no wonder our crime is so high.

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-02-17 08:36

    ANC = protection from the laws of this country.

  • callan - 2011-02-17 08:43

    A senior cop in Port Alfred was formaly charged with sexual assault of a junior police woman months ago...... no suspension in that case? make you think, doesn't it! Anyone for a banana..?!

  • Darwinian - 2011-02-17 08:53

    Everybody is equal, some are just more black than others...

  • wgibsonsa - 2011-02-17 08:54

    Where is the big general in all of this. Typical banana eating republic when the so called ruling class can threat, bully and intimidate their way through life. Meybe she was trying to get away from a stompie. I think we must remember that those in power answer to chancelor house and not the general public.

  • Dan - 2011-02-17 08:55

    I hope SAPU stand its ground and I hope some civil action against the police, the minister and the commissioner will follow. It is high time these ANC high profile thugs get the treatment they deserve. Except for the ANC, in any other civil grouping these thugs would be outcasts. In the ANC they are the "leaders". It says a lot about what the ANC is and what it stands for.

  • Eric - 2011-02-17 09:20

    go banana republic!!!!!

  • Speedy.zn - 2011-02-17 11:37

    it only took Sapu about 40 - 45 days to get with the program :)

      MathysTheart - 2011-02-17 13:05

      That's amazing, thought it would take 2 months. Well done Sapu :>

  • Perfume - 2011-02-17 14:54

    Why is stomach in chest out so quiet!!!

  • peter.doubell.9 - 2012-08-23 06:38

    Winnie, you along with most other arrogant political leaders need to humble yourselves and obey the laws of the country. The right actions and morals need to start at the top.

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