Winnie woes: Cops muscle in

2011-01-12 22:44

Mbombela - Police officials on Wednesday confiscated the service pistol of Warrant Officer Jannie Odendaal, 38, the flying squad member who was asked to apologise in person to former first lady Winnie Madikizela-Mandela (an MP) last week after an incident on the M1.

According to Odendaal, six police officials showed up at his house in Brakpan at about 11:00 and informed him that they had been ordered the fetch his service pistol.

He was also informed that his leave had been cancelled and he had to report to the Soweto police station later. He says he can't concentrate on anything at the moment, and that he's not sleeping much and is eating very little.

"I asked for sick leave and was booked off by a doctor for a week. Emotionally I'm a wreck. No-one can tell me what's happening and whether I'm suspended or not."

However, Odendaal says he received a great amount of support from the public on Wednesday and says he's very grateful for "this bit of hope".

"Everyone agrees with me and says I shouldn't apologise. If I were to do so it would look like we were the guilty party and not them. I think she should apologise to us for her poor behaviour," Odendaal says.

"MPs' bodyguards have always considered themselves to be above the law"; "Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law and should be treated equally" and "They think they can do what they want" were some of the comments from police officials who spoke to Beeld about the incident on Wednesday.

Winnie unreachable

Zodwa Zwane, Madikizela-Mandela's spokesperson, after many requests from Beeld to present their side of the story, said Madikizela-Mandela is unreachable and ended the phone call.

The police have not responded to Beeld's questions.

Pieter du Toit reports that opposition parties reacted sharply to Odendaal's allegations on Wednesday. Both the DA and the FF+ have asked that official and independent investigations into the incident be launched.

Kate Lorimer, DA MPL and party spokesperson for safety and security in Gauteng, on Wednesday asked the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) to investigate the incident.

Lorimer says in a statement that she is "extremely concerned" about the allegation that Petros would supposedly accompany the police officials to Madikizela-Mandela.

"If this is the case, what on earth gives him the impression that some people can break the law at will? He is supposed to support his police officials because it seems they were simply doing their jobs, as he has ordered on many occasions."

Pieter Groenewald, FF+ MP and spokesperson for police, says in a statement that Madikizela-Mandela should "immediately" be arrested for defeating the ends of justice.

Her behaviour furthermore testifies of a disregard for the law and creates the impression that she is above the law. Furthermore, her behaviour is an embarrassment to other MPs.

His party also wants an investigation about Petros' role, because his integrity has now been called into question: "His behaviour amounts to special treatment for Madikizela-Mandela.

  • TDJ - 2011-01-12 23:01

    Hi, News24 please assist ... how do we create a support fund for Jannie Odendaal ? I am willing to contribute ... people let's support Jannie's lifestyle and potential legal fees.

      Pete_Tong - 2011-01-12 23:28

      i will support it, get it going and forward re details.

      JohannV - 2011-01-12 23:48

      Can't the DA and FF+ get involved? POPCRU and whatever else SAPS unions will be useless. This guy was doing his job, in terms of the Constitution of this country, ensuring public safety and security, and now he must APOLOGISE? Surely General Cele can interfere and get Lt Genl Petros to apologise to WO Odendaal and the SA public for not fulfilling his role as commander and kowtowing to a racist relic from the struggle days? I would support a fund for Odendaal any day - get the best lawyer in the country and nail the SAPS / Petros for gross misconduct and also Winnie for speeding / reckless driving / interfering with a police officer's duties. Or is everyone too SCARED of this barbarian cow???

      TDJ - 2011-01-12 23:48

      In progress ... I have reached out to my people ... any readers with advice on how to get such a thing going ?

      Orrin - 2011-01-13 00:00

      I am in get something up and running peeps!

      JohannV - 2011-01-13 00:02!/pages/We-Support-Jannie-Odendaal/181170358581715

      casabanderas - 2011-01-13 01:34

      This is a great idea. This is why I left the country - a convicted murderer sitting as an MP. Why don't we challenge that one in the constitutional court. Send fund details - I will donate as well. Post to facebook the bank details.

      stephanie.gaddin - 2011-01-13 02:06

      Hell Yes - tell me where it is and I'll send some AUD over from Melbourne

      Dave - 2011-01-13 06:17

      I would be more than happy too, have clicked on the FB page, thanks Johann. The sad thing, howvever which way this goes, his career is over in SAPS....sad sad sad

      noitall - 2011-01-13 06:32

      Me too. I will help pay a lawyer for him. apologise, apologise, apologiese to who?

      Rosie - 2011-01-13 06:35

      Hi TDJ I agree I am willing to contribute Odendaal is a hero.

      robertgunning - 2011-01-13 07:03

      I'm in.

      ant 1 - 2011-01-13 07:29

      Count me in with the rest of you.

      steven - 2011-01-13 07:29

      im in. lets show this murdering thief....

      ginaclorenzi - 2011-01-13 07:42

      I couldn't agree more!!

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 07:51

      Count me in TDJ...this is utter shit!!!!!!!! Who does this murderess think she is, and this just shows that the blacks are keeping racism alive in this country!!!!!!

      David van Niekerk - 2011-01-13 07:57

      I am in too, how do we get this thnig started its about time we stood together and stop having so much proud... it could be any one of us. Its our right. We are South Africans too. Come guys we can't let this happen.

      Joy - 2011-01-13 07:57

      count me in !

      Great White - 2011-01-13 08:06

      I'm definately in, with all my buds here. Post the account details please.

      Zolani - 2011-01-13 08:11

      I hate Bad Drivers,and Blue light bullies, Its Sad when a Person doing their Job gets victamised, I for one think Winnie justs rides on the Mandela Name.

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 08:13

      Does anyone know if the banking details are available on FB????? This is one time we need to stand shoulder to shoulder and become voices in the crowd, someone will be heard!!!!!!

      Beverley Pekema - 2011-01-13 08:14

      Count me for support - absolutely NOT because I am a racist - but definitely because I am an advocate of the truth and sincerely believe that we should stick to our convictions. Jannie obviously feels convicted not to apologise for carrying out his duties and so I stand by him.

      Goodolafrica - 2011-01-13 08:16

      I am in lets all get together and show them that we are sick of the so called above the law people.LETS DO IT NOW news 24 give us the exposure we need.

      Logs01 - 2011-01-13 08:32

      I'm in and so are all my employees. Get us the detail and we WILL contribute

      Badger - 2011-01-13 08:37

      News24 has over 1 million subscribers, if we each donate R1, that should help him out. Wadda you guys say ??????????

      Craig - 2011-01-13 08:41

      Clicked 'like' on we need to get this movement on the go!

      Peter - 2011-01-13 08:44

      is there a fund going? surely we can find a lawyer willing to take this case?

      ant 1 - 2011-01-13 08:52

      I in for R10. Jannie,s going to need a lot more than R1million dont u think?

      Alfred - 2011-01-13 08:52

      mashishiv, even when your pathetic "hero" who is a convicted fraudster and murdering whore gets caught breaking the law AGAIN you blame it on apartheid. Surely even a blithering fool like you can see how pathetic that is? The world is laughing at you, arsehole. Mr Odendaal should have shot the tire of her car out while she was going 150kph and watched her roll off the highway.

      Anusha - 2011-01-13 08:55

      lETS DO IT....

      gary.gecko - 2011-01-13 08:59

      @mashishiv - Oh, for crying in a bucket! He is a police officer. She broke he law. He did what he is paid to do by pulling her over. How the hell can he be punished for doing his job? Let me guess - if it was a DA member that he pulled over, you'd be pleased?

      ant 1 - 2011-01-13 09:02

      Count me in for R10. Jannie,s going to need a lot more than R1million dont u think?

      JohannV - 2011-01-13 09:13

      @mashishiv - stop and think carefully. If this doesn't get sorted out now, then the LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO ME OR YOU OR ANYMOBDY anymore. We can chuck away the law books, fire all the police and do whatever the hell we want to do. How do you like that? We can speed, drive drunk, drive recklessly, steal, rape, murder - and don't worry about being caught, because the police is redundant, an unneccessary expense. We can build more houses and create jobs with all the billions saved on police salaries, vehicles, uniforms, weapons etc etc. Is this what you want? Odendaal, white or black, did his job. If this happened to be a black cop, I would react THE SAME. Winnie is a has-been, a racist relic of the struggle - she has NO RIGHT to interfere with the SAPS!!

      masterjane007 - 2011-01-13 09:16

      Agreed. I think we should start a facebook camplaign. that way his story is brought to the rest of the world as well. we all know the ANC will win this one and they will eventually "find" that Odendaal had been cocky with her or something. but we also all know exactly what a cocky old bitch that woman is and how we all suffer daily under the horrid attitudes of the black elite. Even if odendaal did lose his temper and said something to her he shouldn;t have, I certainly do not blame him. I can just imagine what must have been going on next to the road that day: one cocky black elite bitch with body guards and one white police officer. Yes, this incident is not supposed to be about skin colour as what is wrong is wrong regardless, BUT we all know very well what was really happening there. I am willing to give my support to this man so that he will get a decent job again and not suffer financially. Lets do it!

      Janaman - 2011-01-13 09:17


      karin.g - 2011-01-13 09:31

      @mashishiv Someday when they break into your house and keep your hostage while assulting you, please remember to tell the police officers not to arrest the criminals because that would be racist and is part of the apartheid era. The same for when a speeding driver crashes into your car and kills your family!

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 10:02

      @masterjane007...I believe there is a group that has started on FB in support of Mr.Odendaal, believe you me this story has already received international exposure.....FB has millions of followers!!!!! @TDJ let us know when the account is opened and how we can go about assisting Mr Odendaal.

      LogicBomb - 2011-01-13 10:18

      @mashishibuffoon former apartheid policeman??? He's only 38 years old, so he would've been just out of school when your corrupt party took over. Wake up you moron, your ice cream is getting cold!

      alousav - 2011-01-13 10:36

      Count me in.

      Lukas - 2011-01-13 10:52

      Please join the support group on Facebook.

      emmamimie - 2011-01-13 11:51

      And dont for get Johann pointing a gun at a police officer, was his life not in danger? should he have shot to kill? was a lot of rubbish we have in this country and they supposed to be our roll models,, models for the black children to look up to, no wander we have so much crime in this country.

      daboss247365 - 2011-01-13 12:01

      Extra hand on deck in this case

      The Patriot - 2011-01-13 12:19

      Mashisive your a fuking asshole, the guy was 15 years old at the time of liberation. Apartheid police? you dickhead. Take your racism to the bog where you belong.

      Rob - 2011-01-13 13:41

      I will support a fund. South Africa is being run by gangsters at all levels.

      pierreedge - 2011-01-13 13:42

      The guy pulled a taser for a 150Km/h speed issue??? am not paying a cent to a cowboy like that sorry. he should stop watching cops on tv

      Julz - 2011-01-13 13:55

      I definitely will contribute! - 2011-01-13 14:38

      Completely behind Odendaal. Thanks for details. We MUST support him! Show the so-called 'authorities' that we are fedup with them ALWAYS thinking they are above the law!

      TGIL - 2011-01-13 14:41

      Post the facebook page to time magazine!! They love stories like this and will make these monkies sh*t!!! Its crazy this is even a debate. In any civilised country it wouldnt be, and thats why its such a big story. F''k it, ill email them now

  • immelmap - 2011-01-12 23:03

    Things are falling into place.The so called leaders in the ANC got no respect for the law,set a bad example and when things not going their way turns everything into a raciscts incident.

      Proudly SA - 2011-01-13 08:51

      When did this become about the ANC and racism? Did the ANC tell Winnie to eo that? did Winnie say she will not be stopped by a white cop? It is people like you who destroy humanity in this country and dont even realise it. this is about a woman, who happens to be an MP and refuses to abide by the law becuase she is so full of herself and thinks she is above the law. such comments make me as a black woman in this country let the white people deal with this one on their own, becuase that is what you are impying (black vs white)

      karin.g - 2011-01-13 09:38

      @ Proudly SA I think this became an issue of rasicm and apartheid when Winnie and her bodugaurds said to the police officer that he is a racist and still living in the apartheid era for doing his job. This is also making me sick! Get over it! Try a different excuse...

      Mgayi - 2011-01-13 11:00

      It's sad to see someone who vowed to serve and protect us (us the Public , does that answer your question Luyanda?) being penalised for performing their duties withour fear or favour .19 years in the Police service , he definitely deserves the public's support

      Grant - 2011-01-13 13:58

      @Proudly SA - if this was someone who represented the DA, the DA would take action. Instead it is someone who represents the ANC, and the ANC stand back and allow her to abuse her power! THAT makes it political.

  • TDJ - 2011-01-12 23:05

    Stand strong Jannie Odendaal. The public is 100% behind you.

      dictator - 2011-01-12 23:19

      I second that.

      Luyanda - 2011-01-13 07:40

      Which public?

      carina - 2011-01-13 07:49

      I agree!!! Not all of us can access Facebook so can you make details available another way?

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 07:54

      You might not be Luyanda, but the rest of us are behind him 1000%

      Johnny - 2011-01-13 07:58

      He should contact Afriforum and Solidarity... ...asap... ....take the bloody communists to court...!!

      Pothole - 2011-01-13 08:09

      @LUYANDA The public who try to maintain civilisation in this place.

      Zolani - 2011-01-13 08:15

      @Luyanda this is not a Race issue, it is a issue of wrong and Right. Do you think its fair that a Winnie has more rights than you as a citizen, She claims to have been a freedom fighter for us , so we can all be the same, so her actions prove against what she says,if The ANC stand for equal rites then it must be equal for me and you, and Poly etc

      mikedek - 2011-01-13 08:23

      Luyanda.The HONEST public which you do not seem to be part of.

      sunitabennett2 - 2011-01-13 08:38


      Zolani - 2011-01-13 09:07

      @mashishiv Why do you always turn this into a Race issue, The issue is about Winnie that claims to have fought for mine and your rites, now thinks she is above me and you, and that the same laws about speeding at 150kmph is ok for her but not for us

      jdeeathome - 2011-01-13 09:42

      this is never going to end, is it. If we must abide by the law then so must they. Lieutenant General Mzwandile Petros does not desrerve his position if he holds Winnie and her assosiates above the law, if there was any wrong doing on the part of this odendaal chap, let it come out in the investigation and let justice take its course, however the same should apply to Winnie, bodygaurds and mr Petros

      Zolani - 2011-01-13 09:47

      @mashishiv That is the point im trying to make, use facts, and logic in your posts and we can all debate properly and with reason.Freaking out and spewing racist nonsence, is not helping with the debate, dont be like the attention seekers on this forum, give your honest opinion based on facts, try it you will feel beter .

      Zawadi - 2011-01-13 10:02

      @Zolani, i do not always agree with Mashishiv however if u read the comments u can see that all that happens in SA becomes a racial issue and I am in no way saying Winnie is ryt, I hope she gets what os comming to her but i wont stand the name calling...

      lldoidge - 2011-01-13 10:07

      I agree Proudly SA. I wish people would stop referring to Winnie as a gorilla, chimp, monkey or any animal. What did these poor animals do to deserve being compared to that thing?

      Bratt - 2011-01-13 10:15

      I think any sane person is behind Mr Odendaal. And for sure we should voice our support. Loud enough for us to be heard whether they want to hear or not. Make it so that persecuting Jannie as they are doing is so public and international that they dare not do it.

      alousav - 2011-01-13 10:39

      Luyanda - the law abiding public!!!!!!!

      Zolani - 2011-01-13 11:08

      @Zawadi After reading this forum for 5 Years, the name calling will happen, from every sector, the thing is to not join in but to prove your point based on logic, and with reason. I have never retaliated to the white racists or black racists with slander, just with balance, im sure at the end of the day, we all want crime free, streets, and warm beds at night.And a government that cares for all its people.

      TDJ - 2011-01-13 11:30

      @Luyanda The thinking, tax-paying, first-world-desiring public. The public with a conscience. Referencing Animal Farm - the public that will kick some pig ass !

      Zolani - 2011-01-13 12:26

      @Dlangi No I am not from Nigerian decent at all, but from Xhosa decent

      Blah-blah - 2011-01-13 12:43

      Yes - if it happens in SA, it will (sure as chicken drumsticks) be turned into a race issue - by both sides. I wish we had the other side of the story - this is not helpful. Are they waiting for the investigation to be concluded before they comment?

      Zawadi - 2011-01-13 12:58

      point taken Zolani, fight fire with water u say!

      pierreedge - 2011-01-13 14:37

      No am not behind him, 100% or otherwise. This whole story seems odd to me. And there are 2 points against the cop: unmarked car, and the gun for a benign offense (30Km/h over the speed limit). if by 100% of the public you mean all the whites, that's something else...

  • go_4 - 2011-01-12 23:06

    what a joke

      Bratt - 2011-01-13 10:15

      the sad thing is that it is most definitely not a joke.

  • abdurahman.solomon - 2011-01-12 23:15

    when the oppressed become the oppressors- if one was oppressed does not make it right to oppress others. clearly from this story one can see its a race issue the MP and body guards were upset because the cop was white. Grudges .... Dear MP , not all white people are bad and not all white people are out to get you. same goes for other races. you need to make peace and move forward. i think you need to adopt a white child and raise the child you will find we are all the same, and all have faults...we are human. i may not have seen apartheid in action ,but i do know my family has paid dearly, i know the cost for freedom was high. im not as old and experienced in life as you ,but even i know oppression is wrong. Dont oppress the white man . they are our brothers and sisters now. so let go your ego... lets fight crime , drugs ... your friend .

      phillie - 2011-01-13 00:04

      Thank you Abdurahman! yours is a beautiful voice of reason

      sandrak - 2011-01-13 06:54

      Thank- you - in a democracy, everyone is equal before the law. That is what we (black AND some white) fought for. No one is above the law - that is what Apartheid was all about ... Winnie - take the punishment if you have broken the law ....

      JustinC. - 2011-01-13 07:01

      I agree 110%

      GLOWER - 2011-01-13 07:33

      Thank you.

      Homo-Sapien - 2011-01-13 07:59

      @abdura You are the most balanced person to have blogged here in a long time! Shukran!

      GBES - 2011-01-13 08:01

      Thx abdurahman for teaching the elders of the struggle.They forfeited humility and has become FAT CATS who despises the underprivileged.What is going to happen,when the opposition wins the majority in parliament ?Civil war?with the police and army oppressing the majority who voted opposition?As a black man I shudder when I see their disrespect of the rule of law.

      Newbie - 2011-01-13 08:06

      I don't think it's a race issue, the fact is the ANC ARE ABOVE THE LAW, THEY DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES.It happens everywhere and with everyone

      bokkie36 - 2011-01-13 08:06

      Amen to that. I wish more people would adopt this creed, what a wonderful country we will then live in. To Jannie Odendaal - stand firm. we support you in this

      Zolani - 2011-01-13 09:13

      @mashishiv Why dont you base your posts on facts, In no Artical does it say there were Blue lights, the windows were tinted, so how did the cop Know who was inside

      Kyle_logan - 2011-01-13 09:17

      @mashishiv - Blue lights dont mean you can break the law... the speed limits for emergancy services, which includes police is 20km/h above the officical speed limit, if they where going 150 they where over the limit hence breaking the law...

      Gazza Boy - 2011-01-13 10:23

      Mashishi read the article again. There were no blue lights you chop. It's in your nature, you are a racist.

      Blah-blah - 2011-01-13 12:48

      @mashishiv - there were no blue lights, only a car with tinted windows speeding recklessly. So nobody was out to get anybody, except maybe a speeding freak off the road - which I fully support.

  • danie.hanekom - 2011-01-12 23:19

    Thats why I left the police, some people get away with everything, because of status and connections and you end up being the guilty party. Ex-cops and public behind you Jannie. Don't let them push you under. The law is the law, that is all that is keeping the country together.

      Zion - 2011-01-13 08:01

      I have a friend in the cops. He is a warrent officer and the stories he can tell about the inner workings of the SAP (not S for service) makes your blood go cold. He spent almost 20yrs doing his job for very little returns as to job satisfaction. What we read about police crime in the news media is only the tip of the iceberg. Fortunately he has left the police for a better job elsewhere. Promotions come and go and he remains where he is. Given the national, and now probably international interest in this case the Great General Custer Cele is abnormally quiet. Why? given his usual arrogance and bombast. Because he tacitly agrees with the irregularities in his force and is a figure-head in the lime light when anything goes well. Considering the foreign perceptions of the SA police and legal system we can start to understand why the Dewani family believe Dewani will not get a fair trial in SA. (I refer to Cele as "Custer" because the American General Custer had the same over inflated ego at Little Bighorn, trying to take on an army of indians with 220 men. Custer, his men and horses were all wiped out in less than an hour. Today is a sad day for South Africa and law enforcement as a whole. JANNIE ODENDAAL ONS STAAN ROTS VAS AGTER JOU. WE ARE PROUD OF YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A CUT ABOVE THE REST. HOU MOED.

      Bratt - 2011-01-13 10:17

      Even if he is left alone, to be honest I do not see how he can continue to perform his duties after this. Knowing that his superiors and colleagues were not there to support him when he was so obviously in the right... A ridiculous situation.

      attiebabu - 2011-01-13 10:25

      @mashishiv you such an asshole MOFO,

      Zion - 2011-01-13 11:31

      Mashishiv. And you by association have the blood of innocent victims on your hands via winnie mandela, apla, 4000plus farmers murdered, McBride just to name a few. And your apartheid is now worse than ours if you care to look around you. You are just another racist out for attention.

      daboss247365 - 2011-01-13 12:05

      @mashishiv hahaha, you are an imposter, probably a white kid behind a PC stirring the pot... you doing well its kinda funny

      The Patriot - 2011-01-13 12:33

      The blood of innocent freedom fighters on their shame.

      GTFO - 2011-01-13 12:51

      Mashivshit is a troll!!

      mashishiv - 2011-01-13 13:17

      @Zion. Mcbride is my all time hero.

      Log22 - 2011-01-13 13:22

      @mashishiv – why don’t you just take a cup of shut the f#ck up. You are an annoying piece of work that belongs in the jungle... you are obviously very insecure because your bitterness ooze out of your entire existence... not to talk about that high I.Q of yours. Take your rasist remarks and f#$%off !

  • Macho Mike - 2011-01-12 23:23

    Watch the ANC "Stomp" ie there way out of this one.

      Dan - 2011-01-13 07:04

      It is very easy Mike. Someone will just sit on his fat ass and shout racism - then Winnie is king, the ANC the hero and the police official fearing for his own life within the police. That is the sick society we have become.

      v3 - 2011-01-13 08:20

      LOL - 10/10 to you

      5tinkvi5 - 2011-01-13 09:42

      lol, good one mate! But I fear it may be very possible, why else did they disarm the guy if he hasn't been officially suspended?

      Thamie_Durba - 2011-01-13 10:30

      What has the ANC got to do with this? When Kallis recklessly drove his expensive car onto a neighbour's wall that was not about all white South Africans.

  • wjsmit - 2011-01-12 23:26

    Ad RSA, vlieg in jou moer. So gatvol vir hierdie land! Ek gaan oorsee!

      phillie - 2011-01-13 00:08

      Hoe meer weg hardloop hoe minder of die verset. Dink bietjie verder as jy enigsins 'n patriot is Ons het getalle nodig as al die hollers gebly het was ons vandag nog n sterk blok van verset

      joe.delange - 2011-01-13 00:24

      Ag mooi so, Smittie. Hol! Ons sal op ons eie sien kom klaar.

      Darryl - 2011-01-13 06:40

      @wjsmit: weet hoe jy voel, het dit self al baie oorweeg, en is deur baie drama al hier, maar phillie is reg. Ons kort voete op die grond om te kla oor hierdie dinge, sonder mense wat kla is daar geen verset nie. Hoe minder verset daar is, hoe makliker kom hulle weg met die tipe ding. @joe.delange: hoekom gaan sluit jy nie sommer by die ANC aan nie? Jy praat net soos hulle.

      sandrak - 2011-01-13 06:55

      Can I help pack your bags for you?

      Dan - 2011-01-13 07:12

      The way a civilized society deals with "poor" and totally "corrupt" government is by way of casting your signle vote come election time. Unfortunately the poorest of the poor, who suffers the most, will just again vote for the same thugs. Can't wait for election time again with all the idiotic promisses from the ANC and to laugh my arse off for the poor millions believing every word. After election, the poor just gets neglected again until a couple of months before the new elections. The masses deserves their destiny. SA does not have an informed, educated and literate voting base, which plays right into the ANC's hands. While the masses remain stupid, desperate and stuck in the bush, the ANC has full power over them.

      Stardust_2_2 - 2011-01-13 07:48

      Take me with!!!!

      wflouw - 2011-01-13 08:49

      I sympathise with wjsmit. And to hell with all the people who critise people for leaving! They are just jelous because they dont have other alternatives. I live in Germany with familly, and I am happy to be here. My familly and I had suffered several attacks on our plot, major protests and riots, whoke up to the sound of gun fire in the middle of the night, attended neighbourhood watches in the middle of the night... been there done that and bought the T-Shirt! First we moved to a tiny Townhouse, and got burgled by the security gaurds blah blah blah. Same bull-crap different day. I am a father of 3 and a husband. It is my duty first and foremost to protect my family, and that comes before any political agenda! So we left. We now live in peace and I cannot tell you how much that is worth. You can call me names and point and laugh all you want. But we'll see when your children get attacked, raped and/or victimized, how you handle it. I did right by my familly and can now offer them something they haven't seen in a long time: PEACE. so go ahead and taunt, because you are no better than the rest. This is RSA's legacy: since 1652 various parties have competed for control. The seat of power swopped so many times over the last 300 odd years... So I say, let them have it! My ancestors came from Europe, I am back where it all started. And if I ever meet up (in the after life) with the ass that got onto that ship to emigrate to Africa, I am going to kick his butt.

      daboss247365 - 2011-01-13 12:07

      be gone with you, coward. you are a disgrace o the afrikaaner community anyway, I have many afrikaans friends who would never run, this is your motherland, & the only place where you have a home you spineless knut

      GTFO - 2011-01-13 12:51

      Mashivshit is a troll!!

  • Ralph - 2011-01-12 23:28

    In 1994, I was full of hope for my country, but now all I feel is despair. I also feel so powerless as I see my country degenerate into just another African failure. I am not particularly interested in politics or politicians, but I find it incredibily sad that the ruling party are quite content to fiddle while Rome burns. SA is a rich country and they are riding on that, but the goose that lays the golden egg can only lay so many before it dies. I feel so scared for my country, I feel so scared for those impoverished people that are being duped by the politicians and are living in a fool's paradise in believing they are better off now. Things are only going to get worse for them and for everyone for that matter, but they are too blinded by the fact that the ruling party are black people and therefore they blindly follow them, truly believing that any other party that came to power would re-introduce apartheid. The vast majority of the population will continue to vote ANC, no matter how much they are abused, simply on the basis that they are black. It is so sad when people just follow like sheep and suffer the consequences. What is the solution? How do you convince the majority that skin colour is irrelevant, it is good strong moral leaders that count? I am not a racist and truly believe that black people have the ability to lead this country to a bright future, but the free-thinking black population must get rid of the likes of Winnie or we are doomed.

      1EyedRooster - 2011-01-13 00:42

      Surely there comes a point Ralph when white people stop rolling over belly up and say "enough". The black mafia who run South Africa care for nobody but themselves and respect only strength, not weakness. All people, of every race & persuasion excluded from this ruling elites gravy train must mobilise and stop the rotten leadership from doing their worst.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 01:04

      Ralph : The management of our country is too politicized. Did you notice how they even turned our matriculants into political footballs? I think a total de-politicization of the management of our country is essential for us to move forward. We need to abolish the Party System and introduce a democratic electoral system-aimed at proper management and unity of purpose. We did have someone look into alternative electoral systems (at great cost-I think it was something like R70m) a while ago, but I understand this report was only submitted to the ANC. My guess is that the ANC did not like the recommendations contained in the report and therefore just filed it. I think you are quite right in your analysis why so many people still vote for the ANC. They employ many agents, such as racism,superstition,history,government grants,their youth league,Chancellor House,etc. to further their goals and of course rely on the fact that so many of our people are semi-or totally illiterate.They do not care for South Africa.Only for themselves and their Party. This much is abundantly clear to any thinking South African. Apartheid is 16 years behind us. It was merely the first step in the development of our Nation. We failed to take the next obvious step-sound governance-as it is just too easy to follow the proven African tradition of rape and plunder. Fact is, we have no leadership. We are merely floating like a coconut on a sea of Arrogance,Nepotism and Corruption. Education is the key.

      Warren - 2011-01-13 04:05

      South Africa is headed down the same road as the rest of Africa i.e. becoming a failed state. The ANC have plundered and continue to plunder the country, abuse the people and take the country backwards. Once SA has failed then you can write the whole continent off as hopeless. My constructive, positive suggestion to the ANC is to follow the growth plans and policies of the rapidly growing countries of the East e.g. India, China, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia etc. This is the century of the Asia. SA needs to keep up with Asia.

      wflouw - 2011-01-13 08:35

      Spot on Ralph, totally agree. The blind faith in an insubstantial promise is what will keep the country in the hands of the ANC. Like you I breathed an air of relief in 1994, but soon became discouraged and demoralised. Over the past couple of decades (and I include the apartheid era) the ANC have bred a corrupt culture of lies, manipulation, no accountability and violence. Now post apartheid, things dont magically change... they have created an uncontrolable beast that is reaking havoc. And they dont have a plausable target to point it at any more, so naturally it is running wild and out of control. Only once we haved changed the culture of violence, and demand and corruption can true healing begin. People like Julius Malema and Winnie Mandella are setting a poor example and are the most hanious form of leadrs alive. We all want to live in peace and harmony - regardless of race, colour, religioun or any other orientation. However when certain groups proclaim to be elevated, it undermines the principals of equality. I refer to George Orwell (Author of Animal Farm): "All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others"... I suggest that people read the book and focus on the context, because it is perfectly applicable throughout history also in RSA today.

      Jakarumba - 2011-01-13 09:43

      @ Ralph Just reading all your white comments, shows we have a long way to go, regardless of what we vote for as black people, we will always be regarded as inferior by all of you. I voted for the DA and yet when i read your comments I truly understand why black people vote for the ANC to Piet kom!!!!

      WiseOwl2 - 2011-01-13 09:59

      Spot on Ralph

      Zion - 2011-01-13 11:58

      Ralph, There is an old Afrikaans saying: Moenie ou koeie uit die sloot haal nie. I am forced to do just that. During the Early 1980's the politics of today was under discussion and amazingly enough the predictions made then have faced the march of time admirably and are our reality today. The buzz line then was: Hand power over to the majority then we will revert to becoming just another impoverished african nation. Currently we are beyond the tipping point, the point of no return. The matric pass rate was well projected then and it was also predicted that jobs for the matrics that did pass would be few and far between. At that time it was known that the current infrastructure would slowly collapse and arrive at what it is today. Problem is today, it being bad, is only at an intermediate state. Actions like removing the freight service of the Railways (SAR) Has added exponentially to the problem. Trucks are destroying roads that were designed for lighter loads and now have to be rebuilt at the cost of Billions. Escom, SABS is just another sorry apologist for the ANC clarion. As a song by the CCR states: Look out! we'r in for nasty weather, watch out the end is coming soon. These predictions were not made by prophets or Nostradamus but by concerned and responsible persons.

      GTFO - 2011-01-13 12:52

      Mashivshit is a troll!!

  • franssmith100 - 2011-01-12 23:31

    DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND READ ALL ABOUT HER PAST..., THE THIEVERY "On 24 April 2003, she was found guilty on 43 counts of fraud and 25 of theft", on 13 April 1986, where she endorsed the practice of necklacing, Further tarnishing her reputation were accusations by her bodyguard, Jerry Musivuzi Richardson, that Winnie Madikizela-Mandela ordered kidnapping and murder, abducted 14-year-old James Seipei (also known as Stompie Moeketsi) and three other youths from the home of Methodist minister Rev. Paul Verryn. Mrs. Mandela claimed that she had the youth taken to her home because she suspected the reverend was sexually abusing them. The four were beaten in order to get them to admit to sex with the reverend and Seipei was also accused of being an informer. Seipei's body was found in a field with stab wounds to the throat on 6 January 1989.[10] This incident became a cause célèbre for the apartheid government. In 1991, she was convicted of kidnapping and being an accessory to assault in connection with the death of Seipei. Her six-year jail sentence was reduced to a fine on appeal. (IMAGINE THAT, FINE FOR MURDER AND KIDNAP?), Truth and Reconciliation commission, issued in 1998, found "Ms Winnie Madikizela Mandela politically and morally accountable for the gross violations of human rights committed by the MUFC."[11]

      Anne - 2011-01-13 01:40

      If only this murderous prima donna had served a proper jail sentence then as she should have, she maybe would have learned a little humility. She must be the most entitled person in the country. Incredible. Even her erstwhile husband, Nelson Mandela, soon after his release realized that he had could not and did not want to be associated with her any longer. Why is the ANC so scared of her? Does she perhaps know something?

      Luyanda - 2011-01-13 07:39

      "(IMAGINE THAT, FINE FOR MURDER AND KIDNAP?)" You must go and read that judgment again and STOP misleading the public!

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 07:58

      That is why she has NEVER dropped the "Mandela" surname, she uses it as her crutch to get out of situations just like the current situation!!!!!!!! She needs to take a page out of Graca's book

      karin.g - 2011-01-13 09:48

      @mashishiv I hear what you are saying. This is a black continent - right? Then why don't you go and help your fellow black people in the rest of the continent that are starving of hunger. Instead of letting them plead with white people to help feed them!!!! Practice what you preach!!

      GTFO - 2011-01-13 12:52

      Mashivshit is a troll!!

  • Colin - 2011-01-12 23:44

    I am overseas at the moment and South Africa is the laughing stock nation of the world -everyone expects this sort of behaviour from anyone in power in SA -What a joke Banana Republic forever while this sort of MP has a say

      Luyanda - 2011-01-13 07:35


      Mike Webber - 2011-01-13 07:49

      @ Luyanda Ahem, Ahem. Did you say crime free ??? There were several incidents of theft during the SWC where foreigners were robbed of the camera equipment, and money. Not to mention the American who was stabbed at Marlboro. These are the first incidents that spring to mind. What you meant to say way, 'the SWC was not as riddled with crime as per the norm in South Africa' That I would agree with as the SAPS spent loads on ensuring additional security for the tournament.

      jetmansa - 2011-01-13 07:57

      "A CRIME FREE WORLD CUP" Hardly the case. Rather a media black out.

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 08:00

      Luyana and the praise stopped there with the need to read more and you will see that SA is not a respected country at all, under the leadership of Nelson Mandela we might have been respected, now with the rape, murder and crime people are leaving the country more than coming in. And do you know using caps just proves that you are SCREAMING!!!!!!!!!

      Johnny - 2011-01-13 08:01

      Agree Colin, ...tipical African banana-republic... ....crime-paradise of the world...!! ....same as Zimbaboonwe....

      Kenko - 2011-01-13 09:02

      Allow me to enlighten you about crime during the SWC. The police make use of two reporting systems. For serious crime, a MAS number is created. For less serious crime, a VB (Voorvalle Boek)number is created. During the SWC, police stations were instructed to issue VB number for ALL reported crime except murder and public muggings. Foreigners happily took their VB numbers they recived for serious crime, because it is valid when claiming from insurance. When the police made the crime stats public, they counted only the precious few MAS numbers available, ignoring the VB cases. See how easy it is to manipulate numbers? So Luyanda, the SWC was definitely not crime free, the crime was merely misrepresented.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 10:03

      hermann : I disagree. I think she doesn't think.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 10:16

      "PRAISES SOUTH AFRICA FOR HOSTING A CRIME FREE WORLD CUP TOURNAMENT AND THEY WISH TO BE LIKE US". This is a rather superficial statement. "They wish to be like us" in what way? Also host a crime free SWC? Has this not been done before elsewhere? The original news was about something completely different. Do you still think they wish to be like us? We are South Africans. We don't wish to be like any other. All we wish for is Freedom from a racist government laced with entitlement. Freedom from Arrogance, Nepotism and Corruption.

      Zion - 2011-01-13 12:09

      Luyanda, With 8 billion rands any event can be made a success story. Tell that to the world out there. Tell the world out there that it is OK to kill farmers then tell them too that 90% of black farms are standing fallow. Tell those overseas that crime has gone back to its old grind after the soccer world cup. Tell the world that our matric rate is only 59% and manipulated. Tell the world that we as a nation throw our newborn babies into sewers, dustbins and rubbish heaps. They will probably tell you they know all about us and that we cannot even play soccer either.

      GTFO - 2011-01-13 12:52

      Mashivshit is a troll!!

      walshcraig - 2011-01-13 14:03

      @Luyanda - Bwwwaaahhaaaa you I D 10 T - If you have nothing to say keep your mouth closed rather than open it and confirm your stupidity...

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-01-12 23:44

    How the mighty have fallen. The ANC are edging closer and closer to the Apartheid government. The government is now so full of cadres doing the ANC work even the Police are compromised. This is the same thing that hapened in Zimbobwe, albeit only after about 15 years of rule by Mugabe. Shame Winnnie and greater shame on the ANC. Here come the Cadre socail media clowns.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-01-12 23:49

    ...and she has a "spokesperson" !! What does she need that for? Can't she speak ? It should be an offence for any public official to refuse to respond to queries from the public via the Media. In a democracy the government works for us! So they must answer to us! Winnie is our employee and she must answer to the employer, now! The fact that the police themselves also do not respond to queries, is also a sign of disrespect for our democracy. Now is the time for Cele to prove to us that he intends working in the interest of all South Africans. We are waiting... In the meantime the man who did his job, is traumatized and harassed. How do we expect proper law enforcement and a safer South Africa if we demoralize our officers so? I have no words for Petros...

      Kenko - 2011-01-13 09:13

      She has a spokesperson because the moment she opens her trap the world can see how stupid and backward she is. All she can say is, fist in the air, AMANDLA!

  • Patricky - 2011-01-12 23:54

    I am always amused when a white race turns around and say it is wrong for for one race to oppress another.When did they learn that oppression is wrong?We have opposed racial oppression for all our lives and people have died fighting the oppression of one race by another.We know well how wrong oppression is and we do not need a lecture from the champions of oppression on this issue.Address this issue in terms of the law and its legality and not focus on the police being white and the transgressor being white.Look at it as an issue between two human beings and focus on the act and it's interpretation in the face of the law.Distinguish between right and wrong on the bases of facts and not on the bases of race i.e winnie is wrong because she is black and Jannie is right because he is white.Why as South Africans do we see everything in terms of race.Why is it impossible for us to relinquish the burden of racial streotyping.Are as a nation incapable of overcoming our racial hatred and work towards a common existance as we all have a historic claim for existance in this part of Africa?

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 00:05

      Why do we go racing on this thing? Get off that track! It has nothing to do with race! Everything to do with democracy,respect,discipline,right,wrong,transparency,accountability,trust,integrity,credibility,pride, and more...

      JohannV - 2011-01-13 00:06

      Maybe Winnie pulled the race card, I don't know and I don't care! The fact is, Odendaal is a COP, doing his job in terms of our Constitution, and she is screwing with the Constitution by interfering with his job and pulling the "don't you know who I am" card. This has nothing to do with race and all to do with the SAPS who is not supposed to be political, or biased, and not to apply two different sets of laws and rules for Joe Public and Fat Cats (no pun intended).

      chuck.foster.kane - 2011-01-13 00:18

      Listen, moron. Being white or black or brown is not voluntary.

      joe.delange - 2011-01-13 00:22

      @Patricky: First you call "whites" the "champions of oppression" then you proceed to say "why is it impossible for us to relinquish the burden of racial streotyping?". Are you familiar with the concept of irony?

      Lestor - 2011-01-13 00:25

      So you think white people must not say oppression is wrong? Even if they believe oppression is wrong... really? Come on really? It seems like that is what you are trying to say. You find it amusing that white people apparently think oppression is wrong, isn't that what you want for everyone to agree it is wrong to oppress others? Yet you find it amusing that white people have changed there ways? Really? come one. Just pathetic. You should be happy, you won you brought white people around to your point of view. Congratulations. And now that they are doing the right thing you find it funny. Opposing oppression is funny, just think about it for a second. You clearly have misconceptions about white people, that fact that you find it funny that white people oppose oppression shows your opinion of white people. You generalize far to much. The thing is you are exactly like the people who amuse you so much. - 2011-01-13 02:01

      Thank you for your contribution Patricky! This attitude is the way to make a wonderful country a better place to stay.

      Darryl - 2011-01-13 06:46

      No idea Patricky, why don't you tell us, since you're the one that brought it up.

      Willem G - 2011-01-13 06:55

      So Patricky - you've actually hit the nail on the head. The whites have learnt that oppressing other people does not work. The blacks obviously still have to get to that page. Another thing: Two "wrongs" never make a "right"... You guys will someday get to that page too!

      Marc - 2011-01-13 07:51

      @ Patricky: You should read the whole story again but this time put your spectacles on because you seem to have missed the bit about Winnie's bodyguard WHO WAS THE FIRST TO USE THE RACE CARD BY SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT APARTHEID SA ANYMORE! In the light of this your comment is ill-conceived and contributes nothing other than to show your own bias.

      stephanjvv - 2011-01-13 07:56

      Winnie's body guard made it about race with the remarks he made at the police. So the whole incident is most definitely about race. In Utopia (not to be confused with Ethiopia), I agree with what you say. South Africa however, is not Utopia at the moment and it won't be while we have racist morons running the country.

      Christiaan - 2011-01-13 08:07

      We see everything in terms of race because the current government forces us to see everything in terms of race! Afirmative action (in its current form) and Jullius Dilemma, comes to mind

      Zion - 2011-01-13 08:09

      What clearly comes over from your comment is that the oppressed who are now the oppressors have learnt nothing during the last 17yrs. But not to worry: learning anything in Africa by Africans is just not on or the way to go.

      Newbie - 2011-01-13 08:24

      That's true Patricky white people always turn this to race as much as blacks does. People must just comment on the fact the woman abused her power because she can and because she belongs to the ANC not because she's black. Like I said it happens everywhere even Mr Odendaal was black Winnie would have done the same thing it's just that the black folk would have recognised Winnie and probably would have apologised there and then and let that slip. ANC IS ABOVE THE LAW PERIOD!!!

      v3 - 2011-01-13 08:26

      What does "if you are connected you are protected" have to do with black and white? Winnie was stopped for breaking the law - she then committed another offense by defeating the ends of justice. Petros is also defeating the ends of justice (doing a Mpshe) and has contravened the Protection and Combatting of Corruption Act. The only way race comes into it is the way Winnie was driving.

      cyber_writer - 2011-01-13 08:28

      Apparently it was the bodyguard of Winnie, who brought up the issue of "race" According to what I read in the paper; quote - “A man leapt out and shouted, ‘Who the hell do you think you are to want to search the vehicle? These are no longer the apartheid years’,” said Odendaal." Apparently they were pulled over for "recklessly racing through the traffic at 150?km/h on the M1 freeway." So who has got the race "issue" here? I think it's quite clear to see. What we have is a traffic cop doing his job and a well known person thinking she is above the law, she & her driver are in the wrong - that's what it is about. For heavens sake the cops pointed a TASER gun at the bodyguard and apparently those are the criminal charges that have been laid against Oedendaal and his partner! Those are (or certainly seem to be) the facts. Unfortunately South Africa has racial stereotyping ingrained into it's core - all races sterotype one another in this country, & it's not just a certain race that does all the steroyping.

      stephanjvv - 2011-01-13 09:24

      @mashishiv: You were standing riiight at the back when IQ was handed out weren't you?

      Marc - 2011-01-13 09:45

      @ stephanjvv: No, mashishiv wasn't in the row at all - as is his culture he tried to steal his IQ. Fucked that up too!

      GTFO - 2011-01-13 12:54

      Mashivshit is a troll!!

  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-01-13 00:05

    Why is there no support for this officer from within the organisation he has served for so long? I am very greatful that opposition parties are taking a stance on this issue that may afford WO Odendaal some of the basic protections he deserves. This must be investigated, because no matter what the truth, it must be known. We cannot allow political bluster and cronyism to usurp due process.

      JohannV - 2011-01-13 00:13

      I agree. This screams of extremely poor judgment and leadership from Petros. Why is Cele silent? Is the SAPS now becoming yet another political tool for the ANC?

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 00:17

      Thank you,Reverend. Kindly direct your question to Mr.Cele. Your opinion will carry more weight than ours. If you do get a reply, please keep us posted.

      Sedick - 2011-01-13 00:23

      Wake up and smell the roses.....due process in south africa is not followed on a daily basis.......Winnies court cases, Boesak, Yengeni, Shaik bros, MEC racer, Zuma, Mcbride, Arms deal, Oilgate, ESKOM/Hitachi/ANC, Zumas nephew/Mandela, Rape Prof from USA, Gangsters from Eastern Europe in SA, etc,etc,etc. But it is all OK, because the white man did it during Apartheid.......

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-01-13 00:54

      Sedick, we cannot succumb to despair. That litany of disgrace you correctly cite is exactly what will undo the corrupt. In spite of what the radicals claim, we are not a stupid people. Our failing, if you like, is that we are very good at "putting up with stuff", so it takes a lot to get us going. Once we do get going, however, we tend to get stuff done pretty sharpish. The impending local elections allow us all a good opportunity to be pro-active. Do not allow anybody who shares your views and hopes to squander their vote. Don't take their word for it either, if you think they may not vote. Give them a lift when you go. Do whatever you can to add support for the candidates of your choice. We've defeated an illegitimate government before, we can do it again.

      Willem G - 2011-01-13 06:57

      Very simple Rev. - they are shit-scared of Winnie...

      WPWW - 2011-01-13 07:46

      Some comments here are real dumb, the SAP(S) has always been the tool the the ruling regime, be it NP or ANC. So any white policeman, however dedicated to fighting crime he is, is a tool of the racist black regime.

      jetmansa - 2011-01-13 08:06

      @Willem Well she is the queen of murder. Her name synonymous with necklacing.

      Zion - 2011-01-13 08:18

      JohannV, Simple: General Custer Cele loves to be in the lime light, loves to say all those loving and lovely things about his great cop-shop. Introducing him into this cesspool of incompetence then he just may be forced to say something which dims the glow and leaves no after glow. Custer is a ranter and not much logic there. Mind you if all the gold, silver and bling on senior police officers uniforms are collected and evaluated for their worth it will amout to very little indeed.

  • Blip - 2011-01-13 00:09

    Offer Odendaal a job at double his current cop salary.

      Pieter - 2011-01-13 07:32

      hmmm a job as a sniper? lol

  • ColinHodgson - 2011-01-13 00:17

    Mr Odendaal I commend you for doing your job and not interpreting the law differently due to someone’s political allegiance or “elitist status”. Unfortunately you are one of the very few dwindling Law enforcement personnel who do this. And this whole fiasco just goes to show once again that the law applies to some and not others. unfortunately you are now being singled out and directly targeted as an “ incompetent Law enforcement officer “ its disgust me and I would not like to be in your soul shattering position. Unfortunately it looks like this is the way all the law agencies in S.A are heading as well as the presidency and government. As an Ex S.A law enforcement officer now working in Australia I am under far less stress and I get treated very well in the landdown under. Australia is on a drive to employ honest law enforcement personnel and I would encourage you to look at it as an option with lots of potential to move up the ranks and lots of job security and job satisfaction. I hope this all ends well for you good luck and god bless!

  • johnstonel32 - 2011-01-13 00:51

    Jannie Odendaal I support you!!! How can Winnie be referred to as the ex first lady ... ha ha ha what a joke!! she wouldn't know what a lady was if she fell over one!! Jannie, you have nothing to apologise for - SAPS you should be ashamed of yourselves for putting one of your own through this!! She is not above the law, she is just a disgusting stupid b!tch who has abused the Mandela name!!

  • 1EyedRooster - 2011-01-13 00:51

    Winnie and the rest of the black mafia who run South Africa believe that in Africa the powerful rule and the weak don't matter. The black masses, the racial minorities and everyone not part of the ruling elite are weak in their eyes and are to be used at election time and abused the remainder of the time. Rally around this Policeman and show strength or become more irrelevant.

  • Tom - 2011-01-13 01:03

    Post this on SKYNEWS, UPS, etc send it as many agancies OUTSIDE SA as you can, make an noise, be a unified voice

      Kenko - 2011-01-13 09:22

      The outside world doesn't care Tom. They've got their own problems. I think by now they are waiting like vultures to come and feast on the dying animal SA has become.

      Zion - 2011-01-13 12:21

      Kenko, it would be worthwhile to read Skynews and BBC news now and again. Those people know what is happening in SA. And openly compare us to the rest of barbaric africa and it is what we deserve. Bear in mind that the average englishman, German or Frenchman is far more educated and wiser than the average South African. We are caught up with what we see and read in some comments in this very article.

  • Greg - 2011-01-13 01:52

    Funny how in most of these incidents, "because the Dignatory"is late.... If they can't even manage their own time management, how on earth do they manage the country ???

      Zinki - 2011-01-13 07:06

      It's called African time...

  • Stoffel - 2011-01-13 02:14

    o Deary o deary. Stop crying, people, and accept the fact that SA is (still) a police state. Only difference now is that it is us whities who is on the receiving end. And of course, on thre giving end of the stick the ultimate corrupt, barbaric being.

      lmduplessis - 2011-01-13 09:17

      Not just the whites, but the coloured and the Indians too to a certain extent.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 09:43

      Yes, Stoffel, but in other eras nobody told the world that we had a democracy and a fantastic progressive constitution.

  • Frungy - 2011-01-13 02:17

    Big surprise, a white police officer stops a black politician for speeding and suddenly he's being harassed by his fellow officers and superiors for doing his job. ... and where was the other cops' paperwork for confiscating his firearm? Surely one doesn't just hand over a dangerous piece of equipment like that without some sort of paperwork? I strongly suspect there was no paperwork, in which case those 6 officers should be arrested for armed robbery, because that's what it amounts to, 6 armed guys showing up and demanding someone hand something over.

      Zion - 2011-01-13 08:23

      This whole issue about just handing over the gun to someone else sound very much against the rules.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 09:46

      Probably part of Petros' plan to cover himself.

  • vhonks - 2011-01-13 02:21

    eish ja,white people....cant wait to turn everything into race,if this country is reali a banana republic and you think its going to the dogs,why dont you just pack and leave,i am sure you have a cousin somewhere in Australia,Britain or America.Everytime i go on the internet all you see is white peolple complaining about crime,the "farm" killings,the traffic,the weather,the air we breathe and its alll the ANC's fault....hai man...jst leave if you dont want this country to work

      Stoffel - 2011-01-13 03:00

      vhonks, my Boet, u are wrong. It is not only da white people who complain about stuff. It's just that, on the internet, it is mostly da whities that USE it.

      Rabbit - 2011-01-13 04:40

      You are white aren't you, probably living in OZ too. Stop trying to stir up people and go help the peeps in the floods there.

      Saamprater - 2011-01-13 05:32

      See thats the problem with the problem. WE ARE GOING NOWHERE vhonks, WE WILL FIX THINGS, ONE AT A TIME. If you don't grasp that this is exactly the reason why the average man in the street act with impunity towards the law (because the Zumas and the Winnies can do whatever they want) then we will also do so then. . . . . Wake up man and decide if you want this noncompoops as moral and political leaders for your kid's future or are you happy with a revolutionary bunch of rebels to rule and reign over you for ever? They have show zero political leadership then or now, but only the will to enrich themselves. No use to fight for them because they don't do so for you. Bring her to a court and let her actions be tested in a court of law, if not, well, then bananna republic is it then.

      sandrak - 2011-01-13 07:04

      I am an African - and have no intention of leaving the land of my birth. Having worked with young people in the townships for the past couple of years, I have absolutely no doubt that this country has the talent and the capacity to have great leaders leading a great country. And by the way I am White. But that does not mean that I will close my eyes to instances where our hard fought democracy is damaged, or inured. My constitutional right is to bring it to the attention of my fellow citizens - in fact, it is not only my right, but my obligation! So get used to having me around - I am going no-where!

      Godesha - 2011-01-13 07:10

      Yes, why don't all the white people just pack up and leave? Then you will see how this country really falls apart. What a nice example is being set for the public by the people who govern this country. No wonder everybody thinks that they are above the law.

      Zinki - 2011-01-13 07:11

      Stoffel, you are absolutely right. The poor people in the townships say that crime has never been so bad as it is now. Unfortunately, as you said, they don't have access to the internet like we do to vent their anger. Also, they are terrified of expressing their opinions because then they won't get RDP houses etc. I know from my employees. They live in fear like never before. I feel sorry for them. They could never rise up against the ANC as it is too powerful.

      Christo - 2011-01-13 07:38

      My family has been in South Africa for over 150 years and everyone were citizens. We do not have family overseas as we are all South Africans. Telling us to leave our own country is kind of stupid don't you think? And also: "dont want this country to work"...really? You think we the minority have any say as to how this country should work? We want what the ANC promises, but don't deliver. A true democracy where EVERYONE is free. I can't see why people 30 years and younger should take blame for what happend in apartheid. We weren't old enough to take part in any of it. I'm sorry, but I love this country and I love the people in it. I'm not leaving just because some inadequate government doesn't know what a democracy is and doesn't know how to run a country free for all.

      molefeP - 2011-01-13 07:47

      @vhonks, so what now brother? Am I allowed to complain because I am black? I say this whole ANC (Anarchy , Nepotism and Corruption) is a joke. Total and utter disregard for the law. I am black AND I am "GATVOL"!

      CR - 2011-01-13 07:52

      Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to interprit what people are really writing about. This is not about whites making this a race thing "AGAIN". Oodendal did not know who he was going to pull off when she broke the law once again!!!! So now he is wrong because he was doing his Job that the ANC whant them to do perfectly but ofcoarse only to the normal bloke on the road. The farm killings are terrible why murder a bunch of elderly people who can't defend themselves, since when is that the correct behaviur to support or wait are you one of those murderers?? Or don't you complain when a child or woman get raped in your townships or that a black guy gets murdered for no reason or get stolen from. Clearly you have not experienced the fear of having your life haning on the line and have crooks decide your fate. Have you ever looked up into gun against your forehead not knowing if you will see the next hour HAVE YOU no. But because we are white we are not allowed to be angry about people being murder whether it is black or white?? i know of black people living in fear of their own kind, how sad is that. So NO WE WON"T LEAVE. We will get the country back to the standard it was prior 1994 As a leading first world country

      Paresh - 2011-01-13 08:13

      Vhonks, really the fact that you can steep so low and say something as shallow as that is disturbing. 17 years in Democracy and for you to say such things is disgusting. The fact remains that if it were a normal average citizen, they would surely have been arrested. and to the white citizens, please do not make this a race issue just because its the easiest thing to do. rather say positive things that can get the matter resolved instead of adding feul to the fire. we have come too far in this country to have a repeat of our dark and evil past. its time we rise up, not by the colour of our skin but as a Nation, together. Please people, think about this before you make your next comment... Thank You.

      jodi.lovell - 2011-01-13 08:21

      @vhonks - you're a complete idiot. We complain because we WANT the country to work. What do you do? Nothing? Are you happy with the way things are being run? Are you happy with the crime, etc? You must be. I love how the white people are always told to leave and go back to where we came from. Do you know what is really ironic? If every person (white and black) went back to where they came from originally, we'd all land up back in Africa. There goes that theory of yours. Regardless, if the cop were black and did the same thing, would there be as much of an uproar???

      Zion - 2011-01-13 08:25

      Sandrack we just love threats but they have the effect of amusing us rather than the opposite.

      Alfred - 2011-01-13 08:55

      It was Winnie, the murdering whore, Mandela who brought up apartheid. Genius.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 09:49

      vhonks : We love our country. We just hate what the racist ANC is doing to it. Do you really think their first priority is the people of South Africa?

      The Patriot - 2011-01-13 12:42

      Vhonks, part of making it work is law enforcement right? Guaranteed if it was a black cop he would get the same support. The people of SA are gatvoll of corrupt politicians.

      Robert - 2011-01-13 14:55

      we dont want to leave we are just telling you it is wrong ith you dont now it then maybe yr the one who must leave?

  • hermann botha - 2011-01-13 02:39

    Winnie suffers from a serious inferiority complex. She THINKS she is the mother of the nation. She THINKS she is still married to Mr Mandela. She THINKS she is above the law. She THINKS someone wants to kill her(why else bodyguards for an MP?).She THINKS she is important.She THINKS she is untouchable.She THINKS she is indespensable.She THINKS everybody loves her.She THINKS she is numero uno.What she DOESNT know, is that she is a total waste of halitosis.That is what I THINK.

      George - 2011-01-13 03:17

      Her worth is less than that of a fax machine

      anna - 2011-01-13 06:50

      Agree 100% This woman has a serious personality disorder,perhaps exacerbated by her experience of the 'struggle'.

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-13 09:52

      hermann : I disagree. I think she doesn't think.

  • George - 2011-01-13 03:09

    Winnie is low class and her history is prove of that and deserves NOTHING. SHe is the one to apologize for her bad breath language use ...Common Winnie, the people with style are waiting for your apology

  • George - 2011-01-13 03:09

    Winnie is low class and her history is prove of that and deserves NOTHING. SHe is the one to apologize for her bad breath language use ...Common Winnie, the people with style are waiting for your apology

  • Willie - 2011-01-13 03:30

    This is becoming a major problem in SA, ANC politicians who think that they are above the law and can do what want as in this case and that one in the Free State the other day that drove +200 Km per hour. No wonder the "good cops" like Jannie Odendaal are de-motivated and suffer from stress because now he is the villain!! Pathetic!!! South Africa I cry for you because you are sliding into a typical banana republic

  • Daniel - 2011-01-13 04:08

    Roll on Banana land...

  • annie.kalahari - 2011-01-13 04:27

    I see nothing has changed since the murder of Stompie Sipei at the hands of the Mother of the Nation's 'soccer club' in Soweto. She is still a bully. The support for Jannie Odendaal's Facebook page is growing apace - the latest victim of her bullying tactics. Let's hope he and his family survive it.

      Perfume - 2011-01-13 08:04

      He will Annie, watch this space :) sometimes one has to go through a test to have a testimony, go through some mess to have a message. Mr Odendaal will survive and he will come through this storm.

  • Saamprater - 2011-01-13 05:24

    Whenever given the opportunity old Winnie shows her true racist colours. I pity her.And we wonder why there is a spirit of complete lawlessness anongst the uneducated populace. If she can get away with anything (like Zuma) we can do so as well. Therefore kill, rape and murder at will. The police won't do anything.

  • Kathleen - 2011-01-13 05:59

    Hippocrates - Once again Winnie sets herself up as a god and above acting in a decent human manner. Shame on the police officials who are hypocrites - they must uphold the law as long as the person isn't a member of the ANC.

  • betweenu&me - 2011-01-13 06:04

    Winnie, what goes around comes around. Maybe you figured that one out last year.

      Pinkpurse - 2011-01-13 11:07

      She's too shallow to even begin figuring that one out!!

  • Caroline - 2011-01-13 06:14

    Former First Lady ... nothing Ladylike about this one ???? hahahahahahaha

      quack - 2011-01-13 06:32

      she is a pathetic excuse for a human being !

      E.Nuff - 2011-01-13 10:47

      Hmmm, "mother of the nation", and "sister to the Blessed Virgin Mary" - from "Truth Ommissions" by Pieter Dirk Uys

  • Thandi - 2011-01-13 06:20

    Stand firm Jannie Odendaal. The evil nature of Winnie and her gang members is unfortunately the face of the ANC. Viva Anarchy Nepotism Corruption.

  • Johan - 2011-01-13 06:21

    Nothing in this country can be changed politically. The opposition parties are not strong enough. I believe that while 90% of the people that do not vote for the anc in this country also condemns the right wing militants, (and rightly so because they are not interested to better the life of all people in our country) we might have to look at them as an option to equal the playing field so that everyone can have a free and fair live. Maybe if we burn this country to the ground so that no one has anything left to loose maybe then we can take hands and build a nation that all can be proud of

  • henni5909 - 2011-01-13 06:23

    what's the problem? she got away with murder in past this is for pleasure. we should know the wrong people in power create a forth world country, just give these idiots time SA will get there.

      Gazza Boy - 2011-01-13 10:46

      Mashishi you are one of those baboons. Now get back in that tree.

  • Stopthecrap - 2011-01-13 06:42

    It's a racist move against a white policeman doing his job and not taking their bullshit. S.A.P, if you are God fearing people, you would look after your own too. He's white, but his a cop like you and would also probably die for you too. Brothers in arms. WHERE'S YOUR F&*^%$G HONOUR ?? S.A.P.

  • Mike - 2011-01-13 06:43

    Elias It seems that some high-ranking people in the ANC think they are above the law, particularly the arseholes that get ferried around by bodyguards. You would think that these morons would stop wasting the money of our SA citizens and spend it more appropriately. The ANC is not a “PARTY”!!! It’s a political party! Winnie needs a good slap when she starts throwing her toys out of her cot. She is not above the law of this country. I will no longer support the ANC if our top officials carry on like hooligans, Winnie you are a disgrace to our party.

  • Sick&tired - 2011-01-13 06:44

    I sincerely hope he does NOT apologise. Were there not witnesses???? Was he working alone?? Where are his collegues. Someone had to be with him. We all know Mrs Mandela's history. She has and always will be scum and low class. It can only be a common gangster like Mr Cele who will force Jannie to aplogise instead of taking her on. How many times will these so called "high class" try to get away with behaviour like this? Come on Agriforum and Popcru!!! Sink your teeth into this. I am sure there will be lawyers out there willing to take this on for free!!!!

  • Mike - 2011-01-13 06:48

    It seems that some high-ranking people in the ANC think they are above the law, particularly the arseholes that get ferried around by bodyguards. You would think that these morons would stop wasting the money of our SA citizens and spend it more appropriately. The ANC is not a “PARTY”!!! It’s a political party! Winnie needs a good slap when she starts throwing her toys out of her cot. She is not above the law of this country.

  • atomic_mass - 2011-01-13 06:53

    First Lady? According to Wikipedia: "Although still married to Nelson Mandela at the time of his becoming president of South Africa in May 1994, she was never the first lady of South Africa, as the couple had separated two years earlier after it was revealed that Winnie had been unfaithful during Nelson's incarceration." Admittedly I can't find the original source for this, but I don't remember her being referrred to as first lady during that time. Either way she's a crook, but then so is our current first man, so what difference does it make?

  • Weezychest - 2011-01-13 07:06

    Jannie, take her a bucket of KFC.Thats better than any apologie.

  • SuperCal - 2011-01-13 07:10

    T.I.A this is africa, Jannie, give it up buddy, go into private security....they need you more than the police do....

  • Mike - 2011-01-13 07:11

    Patricky Your obtuse views are spot on the mark,like you know shit actually floats.

  • nceban - 2011-01-13 07:11

    Winnie's behaviour is unjustifiable and deserves punishment. The police officer was simply doing his job in this instance. I support conducting of further investigations into the matter with hopefully an outcome. Comments below however seem to take this matter to extremes. "Banana Republic", "Leaving this country", "Criminal as an MP", perhaps are emotional responses indicating the level of commitment some of us have to building this country. In short, I support those that choose to go and leave in Australia if they are not willing to build this country together with the rest of us who remain optimistic. Run chickens run

      Bongani - 2011-01-13 08:37

      nice one nceban. Remember we've only heard Odendaal's side of the story. No one knows yet what really happened. Those who wish to leave SA they must go and stop threatening. They have nothing to offer this country. PLZ PLZ GO TO OZ

      Mike - 2011-01-13 09:47

      @Bongani - why don't you take a running jump at yourself - don't tell me as a white what to do. I am better than you. I have a brain and a concious - you have nothing!

      pointblankza - 2011-01-13 14:02

      Get a life Mike, you boring and predictable.

  • Will99 - 2011-01-13 07:15

    This is a bunch of she said/ he said. Boring!

  • multicon - 2011-01-13 07:18

    Baboonville, need I say any more?

      multicon - 2011-01-13 10:45

      Mashishiv, what is it with you and ET? Where you lovers?

      multicon - 2011-01-13 10:46

      Get ET out your system Mashishiv, it is gone, you won't get him back.

      daboss247365 - 2011-01-13 12:09

      @mashishiv... maybe ET was killed due to a jealousy those two idiots had for the love between you & Et?

  • JC - 2011-01-13 07:18

    i might be of brown skin, but this winnie is bull.

  • Agent - 2011-01-13 07:18

    She should have been in jail along time ago for murder and was let free so what can we axpect this time, nothing according to the ANC seperate law for their own people. Johann V you said it all.