Pta woman driver shot dead by motocyclists

2011-11-08 10:45

Pretoria - A woman was shot dead while driving in Faerie Glen, east of Pretoria, on Tuesday morning, Gauteng police said.

"The woman [25] was driving in Manitoba Drive at 07:10, when a motorcycle with two people on it overtook her," said Warrant Officer Duane Lightfoot.

He said witnesses told police they heard several shots fired - presumably by the passenger of the motorcycle - and then saw the woman's car veer off the road and crash into the pavement.

Lightfoot said paramedics declared the woman dead on the scene.

It was believed that the woman had dropped her child at pre-primary school just before the shooting.

"At the moment we don't know what the motive was, but we are investigating," Lightfoot said.

No arrests had been made by 09:00.

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  • Gys - 2011-11-08 10:52

    I shake my head in disbelief. Why ? Why would anyone do something like this, so senseless. What has become of our humanity? Our Values? Is there no more hope ...

      rbphiri - 2011-11-08 11:15

      Ladies and gentlemen this is no random act of violence. I firmly believe the two occupants of the motorcycle were hired to execute the woman in question. The woman was “driving in Manitoba Drive at 07:10 and it was believed that the woman had dropped her child at pre-primary school just before the shooting”. My theory is that they may have been following the woman since she left the house. Probably the killers were given orders to not harm the child, perhaps that’s why the woman was shot at after she had dropped her child at pre-primary school. I sense marital fowl play… a motorcycle was used since it is a perfect get away, rather than a car. This execution style is a similar modus operandi used in the Cyril Beeka murder. But police investigations should start close at home.

      Matthew - 2011-11-08 11:15

      Sounds like a proffesional hit.

      Aisha - 2011-11-08 11:25

      I agree with RPhiri.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-11-08 11:28

      Gun control mate,gun control now there is one of the simplest answer to mindless murder and killing in South Africa.To many people have access to unregistered firearms in South Africa.If this unfortunate incident and so many other murders in your country don't have a case than nothing ever will.Allowing free and easy access to any kind of armament is a very bad idea.Over 19000 fire arms gets stolen in South Africa each and every year,which means that South Africa has one of the largest number of unregistered firearms in the world and the most dangerous situation to live in.Can't believe that in civilized society people are still debating whether denying high-risk users access to firearms is a type of legislative tool.

      Van - 2011-11-08 11:31

      @Servaas: stay where you are. Make your own biltong. My kids went to SA for the school holidays a couple weeks ago. On their return they commented that they miss their friends but not the place.

      John - 2011-11-08 11:33

      Oh dear a pre-primary child will find out she has lost her mother today. It makes me want to weep. What are people thinking when they do these things. It's os so sad.

      roboman1 - 2011-11-08 11:35

      I agree that this sounds like a professional hit. And to Servaas, why on earth Kenya, there is so much tribal and race based violence there it will be like jumping from the frying pan into the.....oh well into another frying pan. If you going to emigrate, leave Africa, try New Zealand, they seem to have law and order there. (Except for their rugby referees, who obviously did ethics 101 in Africa.) As for me, I live here in hope, I hope that the ANC will outgrow their current hate mentality, and the blame culture. I have hopes that the new generations of South Africans will rule and get rid of the corrupt-(past 2 police chiefs, possibly the current pres, etc, and also rid us of the liars and morally bankrupt, Mbalula and Malema, have lots of chidlren and then lie and blame the media and apartheid, tenderpreneurs at the expense of the very poorest etc. And who knows, we may get more of people like the current public protector, a fine example of an ANC shining knight(ess) in splendid armor of honesty and courage, as well as the new DA leafer in parliament, both examples of where we can maybe aspire to!

      Melle - 2011-11-08 11:40

      @marco.tomaso "Can't believe that in civilized society people are still debating whether denying high-risk users access to firearms is a type of legislative tool" The point in question here is in a gun riddled society like ours gun laws only control the LEGAL firearms, not the ILLEGAL ones. I can spend a lot of time and money getting a legal firearm, or I could drive 2km and buy an illegal one for half the price. Making gun laws just takes away the right of the law abiding citizen to protect themselves. The illegals will always be here, enforce gun laws and there'll just be some criminal making lots of money bringing them in over the border.

      david.joffe - 2011-11-08 11:50

      @marco Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns. Guns prevent crime. Self-defense is a basic human right.

      werner.smidt - 2011-11-08 11:50

      Perhaps it was some sort of initiation hit?

      rbphiri - 2011-11-08 11:51

      To be able to shoot the woman from a moving motorcycle requires skill and accuracy, these are trained killers and such professional killers come with a huge price tag. So who ever may have hired them, either has a lot of money or knows they will gain even more from a life insurance policy. But authorities should also check surveillance cameras in the Pretoria CBD area to check for motorcyclists who may have been passing through the area before or after the crime. I believe there is a witness(s) who may have witnessed the crime or saw a motorcycle in the area. If police release a statement that they have a possible lead, don't be suprised if a close relative of the woman is killed (possibly the husband) is killed within weeks or days of the murder. The killers will possible do it to cover their tracks before someone starts spilling the beans.

      Phil - 2011-11-08 12:03

      Why is it that so many South Africans try and excuse these mindless acts of violence by claiming that the person was the victim of a "hit" We lived in a country which is stuffed ...and becoming more so every day. It is corrupt , violent and dirty ...and the future is looking bleak , very bleak indeed.

      robert.cerff - 2011-11-08 12:12

      @marco.tomaso while I agree that there should be stricter rules on firearm ownership and use... this is a pointless debate in SA where most of the illegal firearms seem to have been taken from a police station. It's fast reaching a case of you can't disarm the criminals so might as well arm everyone.

      JMan - 2011-11-08 12:12

      So (if this was a hit) it is REALLY that easy to hire a hitman in SA? Baffled.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-11-08 12:30

      @Van Nothing Personal.It could all still be a professional ‘hit’ or murder-for-hire for all we know.Still it's murder and it should be treated as such.South Africa,however is not all that onesided you know as some people will have you believe.Folks gets gunned down everywhere else in society more often than not.S**t happens in every country you fancy calling your home,just seems justifiably so that more often than not the *** somehow gets reported on & published in South African media webpages than is necessary.Perceptions of a made up mind won't change easily,still...

      Marion - 2011-11-08 12:42

      @Marco... I agree with you. We read about endless accidental deaths of people due to legal guns being in the wrong hands at the wrong time. Where do these people get all their illegal guns if they are not buying them on the street from people who stole them from licensed gun owners? I believe that if you live by the sword you will die by the sword (or, even worse, your loved ones could).

      Hunter - 2011-11-08 13:18

      @ Marco -Guns don not kill people. People kill people. All we need is effective law enforcement and zero tolarence to all crime. Incerasing gun lwas with no enforcement will have no effect.

      John - 2011-11-08 13:54

      all points to the husband , easy to solve,check policies to payout and extamarital affairs,hard to prove unless the shooter is caught or the husband cracks under pressure,

      Rudie - 2011-11-08 13:56

      @RPhiri you should be a cop boet .You are sharp.

      roboman1 - 2011-11-08 14:38

      at poor naive Maid Marion, the only people getting disadvantaged without guns are the honest people. The crooks all have illegal gunds, which no, did not come from licensed gun people, 3000 guns a year are stolen from the police, yes, shocking but true. (a year, incredible.) then there are all the AK 47's which come from accross the borders all the time. So no, poor dear maid marion, the more your citizens are legally armed, the more the bad guys better watcg out. I say encourage legal gun ownership, arm all your citizens, you will notice that statistally, the countries with the most enabling laws for legal gun ownership also have the lowest crine statistics. It is only in countries like SA, where it seems the politicians want to disarm there honest law abiding citizens and are happy to leave their crooked brethren, because most of our politicians seem to either be gangsters or friends with drug dealers etc, so they empower the crooked.

      Darryl - 2011-11-08 14:44

      @marco.tomaso: Gun control won't help us at all. Simply put, only law abiding citizens abide by the law. Criminals don't buy their guns in gun shops, they steal them; whether they get them from the public, the police, gun shops, by hijacking transport vehicles, or by illegally bringing them in on ships or from other African countries. By banning guns you'd disarm the public, but not the criminals. Fact is America is gun crazy and they have much less crime in a much larger population than we do.

  • Daniel - 2011-11-08 10:56

    What??? T.I.A.....This Is Africa...sad, super sad. Dont know what the motives might be, but hell this is extreme and sad.

  • Lana-May - 2011-11-08 10:57

    WHAT? What is happeing to this world??

      rbphiri - 2011-11-08 11:16

      Ladies and gentlemen this is no random act of violence. I firmly believe the two occupants of the motorcycle were hired to execute the woman in question. The woman was “driving in Manitoba Drive at 07:10 and it was believed that the woman had dropped her child at pre-primary school just before the shooting”. My theory is that they may have been following the woman since she left the house. Probably the killers were given orders to not harm the child, perhaps that’s why the woman was shot at after she had dropped her child at pre-primary school. I sense marital fowl play… a motorcycle was used since it is a perfect get away, rather than a car. This execution style is a similar modus operandi used in the Cyril Beeka murder. But police investigations should start close at home.

      Lana-May - 2011-11-08 11:44

      Really scary, everytime I see a bike now Im gonna sh*t myself!!!

      Ettienne - 2011-11-08 11:58

      @ Lana-May, exactly what I am afraid of. These idiots have just painted a big bullseye on us bikers.

      Lana-May - 2011-11-08 12:06

      @Ettienne.... I was only joking, Ill still treat all bikers with respect as I do now....

      Lana-May - 2011-11-08 12:15

      Calm down people, it was just a joke..... see another reason weed should be legalized..... joke again.... jeeeeze!!!

      Phil - 2011-11-08 12:17

      Oh no ....another of the "it happens everywhere" gang of fruitloops. Get real

      Lana-May - 2011-11-08 12:26

      wow, tough croud.... Phil doesnt need weed, he needs prune juice....

      Phil - 2011-11-08 13:53

      And you Lana-May need help ..or a visa to get of SA.

      Lana-May - 2011-11-08 14:04

      Get of SA?? haha.... ok Phil....

  • Felix - 2011-11-08 10:58

    Tragic :'(. What could have provoked this? Is she married? What does the father have to say about the incident?

      Houtskool - 2011-11-08 11:08

      According to beeld the woman is seperated from her husband. Hit.

      Deon - 2011-11-08 11:18

      Custody battle that ended badly?

  • Werner - 2011-11-08 10:59

    This country has no dicipline what so ever! Thank you ANC!

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-11-08 11:04

      Why blame ANC for crime?...

      bobby.mykonos - 2011-11-08 11:05

      You really think the Government is responsible for making people respect life? Blame the pigs involved. Let them shoulder the responsibilty for their actions. No need to cloud the issue.

      Guy - 2011-11-08 11:18

      bring back the death penalty

      leonard.tsolo - 2011-11-08 11:24

      what does anc have to do with this,hate or not anc will rule you

      Anthony - 2011-11-08 11:26

      stop talking rubbbbbish werner ----switch ur brain on --although i doubt u have one what in heavans name has this to do with the anc

      Jason - 2011-11-08 11:27

      Werner, how did you conjur up that this is the ANC's fault mate!! Next you'll blame the ANC for f*cken raining on a week end!! C'mon man we know what the ANC is like, but surely we cannot blame them for everything!!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-08 11:30

      ANC??? Why ANC Werner? Sounded more like a hit. Blame the motorbike manufacture as well. Do not forget the one who manufacture the gun......and the shooter's grade 7 teacher who shouted at him. For the discipline side I can agree with you, but even countries with more discipline have "hits" as well. Let's rather wait for more info before we explore the twilight of guilt.

      Cheryl - 2011-11-08 11:30

      at LOL . Your comment on stuck up white people. u know i was thinking th eother day. it is a problem. white and black dont interact in this country, .most white people distance themselves from blacks because of fear. but this is perceived as arrogance. i have been to many southern african countries and loved interacting with everyone, but when back here dont. it is fear and suspicion, because of our high crime/murder/rape rate. so please understand this. yes of course there re some racsists but, that u will also find in all countries , in all races, and it is not good. we are all africans. we neednt be best friends but it would be great to be able to overcome the fear and to be able to interact more....even if it is just something like sharing a joke, with a stranger... and finally, the ANC is in power and whites also have a right to criticise the government. it is not racist to do so. so u guys must get over that, and start demanding higher standards form them...they are proving to be very substandard.

      Abri - 2011-11-08 11:36

      You cannot blame the ANC. This act of violence would have taken place irrespective of who the goverment was at the time. The person(s) behind it is the immoral ones.

      poopedi - 2011-11-08 12:04

      Thank You National Party for the gross inequalities. Everyone just calm down, Apartheid did not last a day, it was ran out over an entire generation. We're only 17 years into democracy, we're not going to reverse these inequalities in less time than they were instigated. We need to look past politics, race and other factors that seek to divide us, and deal with crime, poverty and inequality for what they are - unacceptable social ills. It's not about ANC, white, or black ... if you are a South African, grab a mop and let's clean up this mess.

      Johan - 2011-11-08 12:06

      @LOL - Normally I would not waste my time with comments like this (Stuck up Pink People), but you got to me today. I have been travelling in Africa for the last 2 weeks, even to South Sudan and have met very good people and made good friends (of all races). Coming back to SA I am reminded of people like you, absolute racists and hatred towards your fellow people (Countrymen). A child is left without a mother today and all you have to give is hatred. People get crimally charged and loose their jobs for comments made like yours. For me I will keep on loving SA and IT'S PEOPLE. Good luck with your live and may you find peace. And please don't come and blame your stance towards other people on appartheid or anything else. ONLY YOU can make yourselve happy or sad.

      Werner - 2011-11-08 12:11

      Well Sometimes if the punishments fit the crimes then we would have people thinking twice before commiting these sort of crimes. Now today if I murder somebody, the chance of getting of on a technicality is how much? How many criminals are convicted in our justice system? How many crime even reach the courts? What Sentence do you get for murder?....

      jayzwayz - 2011-11-08 12:12

      Werner you knob! Get a life!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-08 12:14

      @LOL.....and now you do the same that you blame the "pink" people for. Generalizing. Well, I will not do it, but her is a ,,I,, finger for YOU(not for black or what ever you prefer)! Seeing that I am "pink"(always thought I am and you suddenly decided for ME what I am. I will with-drew my "sign" when you apologize for generalizing.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-08 12:42

      @LOL. I will rather stay on my "high horse" than clime off to join you in the gutter. I can see it is already suffocates you and therefore the lack of intelligent comments.

      Servaas - 2011-11-08 12:45

      @Lol: Oh, you a prison inmate? Seems like it.

      Tando - 2011-11-08 12:47

      Werner... you are a hero! You deserve a medal for that comment. You and Bryce Lawrence should become mates, hey maybe even Darren Scott will join in your merry band of friends. Then you can find an island and name it New New South Africa, or better yet Old South Africa! Then you can blame the ANC for Global Warming, Erectile dysfunction and Genocide. Hell, blame them for Justin Bieber aswell.

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-11-08 12:47

      @Dutoit...I see no need of "intelligent" comments when engaging with cretins...I thought I should bring my self down to your own level of intelligence...

      Dorothea - 2011-11-08 12:49

      To all of you that claim this has nothing to do with the ruling party - you are wrong! If there was more adequate policing and stiffer consequences, perhaps people would think twice. This killing was an act of arrogance - they did it in broad daylight during peak hour traffic. with no dear for the consequences - WHY ARE THEY SO CONFIDENT? come on, this has a lot to do with the ruling party.

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-11-08 12:50

      @Servaas lol you are still here bro...logg off news24 and attend to your clients HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

      Marlene - 2011-11-08 13:00

      @LOL - Stop trolling pls.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-08 13:03

      @LOL Ai, playing with fancy words just proof the opposite. Seeing that I also know other words for idiots(cretins) I presume that you realized it and have to use "bigger" words. However, I now prefer to ride off into the horizon, on my "high horse", because I can't stand the smell of the gutter and I feel we are far of the point. See you in the next article's comment section.

      Dorothea - 2011-11-08 14:36

      LOL, Yes, bow out of a one sided intellectual debate and call your opponent a b*tch. Very mature. Very admirable. Very predictable.

      Darryl - 2011-11-08 15:08

      Why the ANC? Because they currently govern the country. Through inaction and maladministration they have created an environment in which crime can flourish. The point was not that they were responsible for this specific crime, but that they have created the kind of country where people get away with, and are not punished for, murder. It astounds me that there are still people that argue "this happens all over the world". You do realise that there is a difference between, for example, the USA, where the murder rate has been consistently below 6 per 100k for the last 12 years and has not risen above 10 per 100k since 1980, and a country like South Africa where the homicide rate is 37 per 100k, right? The USA has 313 million odd citizens vs our 50 million and yet their total murders for 2008 was 16200 vs our 23000 odd at the time. This looks even worse when comparing to countries like Canada and Australia. So yes, it does happen everywhere, but it happens MUCH less frequently there, and when it does the crimes aren't nearly as sadistically violent. Our justice system and police force is dysfunctional, and THAT's what people blame the ruling party for. After all it's their job to run things, isn't it? Or do their supporters now buy into their policy of unaccountability?

      Tando - 2011-11-08 15:34

      @Dorothea & @DuToitCoetzee: What are your thoughts on racism on what has your party done to help get rid of it? I find it rather strange that you only point the finger at "brown" people for all the crime in South Africa. I mean, there obvioulsy only 'brown' people in prison. Like come on, "pink" people would never be caught in prison, how disgusting. Orange obviously does not compliment their skin colour. You guys attack LOL for generalizing and yet you guys do the same... Hypocrite much? The ANC is not to blame for this crime, lets stop pointni the finger at them. You speak about a lack of police officers, I don't see masses of "pink" people lining up and become cops. Co-operation is also a growing problem in South Africa, how many South Africans actually co-operate with the government. We are all too busy focusing about ourselves and onlt care about what the government does when we see articles on News24. Its one thing to have opinions, but its another to actually take those opinions and make things better for those around. At the end of the day the sad reality is that; 'Brown' problems belong to 'brown' people and 'Pink' problems belong to 'pink' people. No one is every willing to solve the problems of the other. The ANC has its faults, but so did the NP... Its only eaisier for you to point the finger at the ANC because pointing it at yourself is unheard of. We need to stop bringing each other down and start working together to build a better nation.

      Dorothea - 2011-11-08 17:42

      tando, i think that you should direct your lecture at LOL? but of course, you targets the 'pinks'. so very typical. when are you browns ever going to let go of your pathetic little victim mentality?

      Tando - 2011-11-08 20:57

      Dorothea... Merely posed a question to which I would like for you to answer if its not too much trouble. My last statement was not pointed at the pinks, it was directed at the pinks, browns, yellows, blues, greens, whites, blacks etc. You speak about browns letting go of their pathetic little victim mentality, well have you ever tried playing the victim?? In order for us to grow we need to understand each other: our similarities and differences. At the end of the day, browns were victims for 50 years, and this was because of a system that regulated all aspects of their lives and gave them no opportunities. Pinks feel that opportunities have been taken away from them in our new society but when you compare the old from the new we see that this is not the case. So this victim mentality that the browns have is justified but it has also become a crutch for them. But at the end of the day, these browns are still victims of the old system and some pinks still carry these old notions and enforce them whenever they get the chance. I hope you are not one of them.

  • phumlanii - 2011-11-08 10:59

    Maybe there was a fued with the ex-lover, hence the stalking and shooting.

  • candice.slabbert - 2011-11-08 11:01

    That's CRAZY!!!!!! Regardless of what the story is, that little one has lost their mommy!

  • tristan.kilian - 2011-11-08 11:01

    It sounds like it was a hit. Tragic. So sad for the child who will never see mommy again.

  • Makatikamusona - 2011-11-08 11:02

    Damn this motorcyclist, I am not gonna give way for you guys anymore I mean if you gonna kill me thereafter

      Troy - 2011-11-08 11:16

      Now thats an intelligent comment, not!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Guy - 2011-11-08 11:22

      What kind of a dumb comment is this? Now all motorcyclists are to blame? Stick your finger up your nose and put your mind back into gear!!!!

      Susan - 2011-11-08 11:26

      Please do not now generalise! This is definitely not a "motorcyclist" thing. It is not as if motorcyclists go around shooting people just for the fun of it! Whoever did this is sick, irrespective of the mode of transport. (I agree with Omnivore below - it sounds like a hit.)

      Houtskool - 2011-11-08 12:10

      excellent, dont make way for me, i'll just drive to your shack and kick your bed off its bricks. Maaifoedie.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-08 12:35

      @Houtskool. Never ever say, on any site, you are not a racist and do not generalizing. I agree that MAKATIKAMUSONA is completely wrong in what he said, but referring to "shack" and "bricks" shows your mentality. I would have even gave you a thumbs up if you replace the words with "home" and "legs", but you used the 1st that came up in your mind. You have to make your point stronger by classifying someone. Push that knife into the short-ribs and turn it. Your comment was so understandable, but you spoiled it with the "extras" you put in.

      Makatikamusona - 2011-11-08 12:43

      Please people do not forget that when I give way for motorcyclist I would be doing that out of my goodwill and please don’t ever think you could demand my favor. I am not forced by any form of law to give way to motorcyclist they could start driving nicely on the road like the rest of us. If I give you way please show some appreciation with a hand or something I am sure it would not kill you, and I would appreciate if you don’t flicker your lights because I would not give way if you do, I know when it is safe for me to give way and I would not be bullied on the road because I do pay for that road as well

      Deirdre - 2011-11-08 12:58

      Makatikamusona, it's not always easy to show appreciation on a bike, so please if I ever do go past you and you've given way to me, thank you from bottom of my very deep biker's heart! Remember I have to look out for people who do not give way, I have to steer with both hands on the handle bar, I have to look out for pedestrians who cross between cars ... anyhow this is not a story about bikers, it's about another little child who will grow up without a mother because someone thought thay had the power to take a life ...

      Makatikamusona - 2011-11-08 13:17

      @Deirdre. I do give way and trust me I will continue to do so but sometimes this bikes travel at a very high speed and you don’t see it until they are close by and some bikers expect you to swerve your car as if there is an accident waiting to happen, if the way allows me to give way I would otherwise you will have to wait until I find a space to do so. Tolerance is needed all the time @Houtskool How did you guess that one right? I am staying in a shack and my bed is balanced using bricks so what? I am sure I would still be happy with that kind of lifestyle because I understand that in life some of us would never be the Bill Gates of this world.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-08 14:21

      @Houtskool. I am glad that you clear that for us. At least you stand with what you believe. I do not respect you for being one, knowing that our current system/situation does make it difficult for some not to be, but I respect you for being honest. However I would still like to ask you to be human. Keep other's feelings in mind, but still say what you believe in. I believe being straight forward and honest is better than talking with all, hiding your true self. Sorry,....can't sit on my thumb. Just know it get

  • Omnivore - 2011-11-08 11:04

    This sounds like a hit.

      dlawre30 - 2011-11-08 11:14

      Probably was but still no need for it. A child is left without a mother

  • pinky.kgole - 2011-11-08 11:06


      Nosiphom - 2011-11-08 11:10

      Enough sad!

  • Dalai - 2011-11-08 11:11

    Poverty is no excuse for crime! I recently visited a much poorer country, Malawi, and I must say in spite of the challenges they have i enjoyed my month long stay. The police do not move with guns, the people are courteous, you can walk at night with a remote chance of being mugged. majority of Malawians are poorer compared to their RDP dwelling lazy people we have here who expect everything for free, but their poverty hasn't turned them into animals.

      Cheryl - 2011-11-08 11:40

      hi yes i have also visited Malawi this year and visited townships for the first time in my life , after being invited to dinner by strangers who now are my friends....and i would never go to a township in sa an dfear every black person i meet here. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT must be something in the water that makes so many of our people so nasty and evil.....If i could move to Malawi legally i would today even if i have to live alongside other black peopel in a township it wouldnt bother me. i have so much respect for them and their spirit.....i also sympathise with our good black people in ths country who have all this evil around them.

      Darryl - 2011-11-08 14:50

      You know what, I'll be nice and give all the liberals that one and say that poverty IS an excuse for crime, even though I don't agree with it myself. Having said "ag shame" and turned a blind eye to R50 disappearing here and there or the occassional loaf of bread going missing from a shop I'd still be astounded as to why crimes in South Africa are so violent. If you steal food to survive that's one thing, to butcher somebody in their own home, or burn them alive, is something quite different.

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      Deon - 2011-11-08 12:07

      Tomorrow at Newlands.

  • Alan - 2011-11-08 11:12

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  • Ian - 2011-11-08 11:12

    what the hell is going on, we are doomed

  • jody.beggs - 2011-11-08 11:14

    This was a hit !

  • Ben - 2011-11-08 11:18

    Did she know Lolly Jackson?

  • See - 2011-11-08 11:18

    Classic Sicilian Mafia style hit.

  • aarchaic - 2011-11-08 11:19

    Gangster paradise... this is what happens when people loose respect for the law and dont fear the justice system.

  • Nicholas - 2011-11-08 11:20

    Imagine the child will get home with no mother this afternoon. Whats happened to simple life with no killings?????

      Judy - 2011-11-08 17:05

      The simple life and no (few) killings are in another country: Costa Rica maybe?

  • Robs - 2011-11-08 11:21

    Absolute senseless. Where is the respect of life. The people in this country is not ready for human rights. How can you have a first world constitution for third world people. The criminals get protected and the victims suffer. I think it's time for vigilantes. We get them out of jail and hang them.

      Anthony - 2011-11-08 11:31

      robs--or should i call u nobs ----hits happen in london new york brazil --around the world --what has your dumb comment got to do with the artical---catch a wake up nobs

      thato.moremoholomakhele - 2012-01-12 21:34

      let's be honest our police are sometimes just useless, but I just hope they get the bastards that took away the mother. our Government needs to do more on crime

  • timora.zee - 2011-11-08 11:22

    Imagine the poor kid waiting for thieir mom at school and the woman will never ever come back for them.... Im utterly disgusted by the way these criminals don't value life anymore. WOW.

  • Gregory - 2011-11-08 11:23

  • ntsepe - 2011-11-08 11:24

    Is sad people are killed like animals this days.

  • peter.soule - 2011-11-08 11:24

    It's interesting to read the comments below... amazing how so many people react with "what is happening to the world..." they don't realize that the human race has had animalistic tendencies since day 1. However, it is unlikely that this is a random killing (although possible). I personally believe their is some underlying motive or rationale behind the 'hit' (do note, I am not saying this is a good thing, it's just nothing new.) PS. I extend my condolences to the child and family of the women.

  • Clive - 2011-11-08 11:26

    One can certainly not blame the ANC for this specific crime, but you certainly can blame them for the general lawlessness prevailing in the country and society we live in. It is their duty as the Government to keep the wheels of justice turning effectively and to dispense with justice in an efficient manner. Bring back the Death penalty. Criminals should be aware and afraid of the consequences of their deeds. As matters stand criminals dont fear prosecution and are prepared to take their chances that they wont even be apprehended at all, let alone have to account and suffer IN KIND! Manitoba Avenue at around 07h00 in the morning is a fairly busy road so that it is likely that there were many who can describe the perpetrators, motorcycle, and modus operandi. CRY MY BELOVED COUNTRY!

      Anthony - 2011-11-08 11:36

      clive there are thousands of research studies that prove the death sentance does not work ---it make US feel good ''yea,lets kill them' a life behind bars with no privilages is better

      dlawre30 - 2011-11-08 12:21

      @ Anthony - why must we as taxpayers spend more money to keep these criminals in jail? Death penalty far better

      Darryl - 2011-11-08 13:58

      @Anthony: Nonsense. Death penalty opponents always spout one sided arguments against capital punishment. The truth is that many recent studies HAVE shown a deterrent effect. In fact graphs showing the murder rate vs. the amount of criminals executed are often inversely proportional: the more executions, the less murder. One source suggested that as many as 9 in the last 12 major studies show a deterrent effect. Unfortunately - and even statisticians on your side of the fence admit this - due to fluctuations in population, changing economic conditions and many other variables, it is very hard to prove either position with absolute certainty. That said, I don’t pretend to be so unique that nobody else shares my fears or feelings, and I personally would be deterred by the death penalty. Therefore at least some people will be deterred by it. We also know that we have a high percentage of repeat offenders in SA and that, at the very least, repeat murders would be stopped. Prisoners are housed and fed using tax money, and it isn’t uncommon to serve less than 20 years for multiple murders, just to be re-arrested later. As John McAdams said, "If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."

  • Gcwabe-KaMavovo - 2011-11-08 11:26

    Drive-by shooting in SA? We've really gone to the dogs. I wonder what this poor woman did.

  • Chirpy - 2011-11-08 11:26

    There's more to this story than just a random shooting. Truth will out..

  • Katoolsie - 2011-11-08 11:27

    holy jeezus this is mafia style! WTF is happening to the world?

      davieoosie - 2011-11-08 12:22

      Ag nee sies Katoolsie. Praat met ons man, nie met Jesus hieroor nie.

  • Sammy - 2011-11-08 11:29

    RIP Chanelle Henning, who was shot dead this morning. BB

      Regan - 2011-11-08 11:55

      were you there to get these pics?

      jayzwayz - 2011-11-08 12:24

      If this is the woman in the story have respect and wait until all next of kin have been given the news ......

  • Mathabiso - 2011-11-08 11:29

    We are just destroying what was created by Our Loving Father, what kind of people do such a disgraceful act, I must agree with RPhiri, investigations must begin at home, those shooters were given orders by someone who knows this woman...nah man, what about that child, oh for pitt sake.. The cruelty of mankind

  • sam.swanpoel - 2011-11-08 11:32

    Until the death penalty is reinstated this will continue. You see it's so easy to kill and know full well the worst that can happen they'll end up in prison with all the basic facilities + plus free of charge. The public pays the criminals to stay in prison.

  • Michelle - 2011-11-08 11:33

    Are we living in a warzone?? It bloody well feels like it!!

      Theresa - 2011-11-08 11:44

      A life means nothing these days.You'll get killed for your cellphone.I think this was a hit.Definitely not a random shooting.I hope her child will be okay.

  • Bilz - 2011-11-08 11:34

    why people are like this ? killing each other every day,making other famillies to cry,suffer,feel depressed,what is the remedy for this? its high time now where goverment needs to bring back death sentance coz these people killing each other go to jail,serve sentance and come back to community and kill agyn. Billy (from) Mthatha)

  • Lucky - 2011-11-08 11:40

    Pity the child and other children who lost their mothers through such incidents.

  • richard.barnard2 - 2011-11-08 11:41

    Relationship trouble, ex-boyfriend comes to mind

      Jan - 2011-11-08 13:22

      This not an ex boyfriend at all. look at the father and what would he gain out of this ? Bet you it has to do with the child and personal gains. This is not a guess from my side either.

  • Bryan - 2011-11-08 11:42

    This was a personal friend of mine, all i can say is we are in total shock. Our prayers are with the Saincic family. May the guilty party be brought to book and then rot in hell!!!!!!

      Erica - 2011-11-08 12:10

      Sorry to hear this Bryan. One senseless act changes other lives in a second. Prayers and thoughts with you all.

      Jan - 2011-11-08 13:24

      Hi Bryan, thanks for the comment and wishes. They are family of mine and I know them well. You know the situation with poor defenceless Chanelle and I hope this guy does rot in hell - but very slowly.

  • Erica - 2011-11-08 11:42

    This is a senseless, unforgiving act. I was also in Faerie Glen Area just 20minutes after the shooting on my way to work. What is going to happen to her baby? I'm saddened by this as humanity is loosing all it's values...

  • Sharon - 2011-11-08 11:44

    Not only is the child without it's mother, it could however be that this child will loose the "other parent", for if it is an hit and the savage who ordered it is the other parent then he might go to jail. So sad. Human nature hasn't evolved much in 100000 years, our frontal lobs are too small, our lizard brains too large, and our greed endless.

      Jan - 2011-11-08 14:19

      It would be a blessing in disguise if the boy lost his father - you dont know him. Thre are better to take care of him than his father I promise you - and people who actually love him and care about his well-being.

  • Ryan - 2011-11-08 11:44

    And in related news: cannot spell 'motorcyclists'. It has been alleged that they could not care less, to even re-read a simple article heading. @thatWallace

      Lana-May - 2011-11-08 11:49

      Im so used to it by now I dont even pay attention to their poor reporting...

  • Shirley - 2011-11-08 11:50

    Sounds very suspicious. This is like the 1940s with al capone. Seriously this is just sick!!!!!!

  • Frank - 2011-11-08 11:59

    possibly mom filed for divorce,dad can`t handle kid being taken from him,so he comes up with a `solution`. a year ago outside my sons creche some nutter also shot his wife then himself after dropping their son off.crazy.

  • Muhammed - 2011-11-08 12:02

    Tragic indeed!!

  • Erica - 2011-11-08 12:04

    Yet again - a woman is the victim. Violence, rape, abuse, sexual perversion add to the list...... Whatever the reason - it doesn't justify killing another person. Now there is a child who has no mother. Life simply has no value in South Africa and as usual and more prevalent - women and children are the targets. What on earth is wrong with the majority of South African males? Is this genetic?

  • Delano - 2011-11-08 12:05


      Sharon - 2011-11-08 12:22

      please don't shout. use small caps, it doesn't piss people off.

  • Annalene - 2011-11-08 12:08

    banana republic ! geen wet en orde, dit is Afrika kultuur en as jy kla daaroor, is jy n rassis !!!

      Silvana - 2011-11-08 13:36

      Wie het gese dit was swartes wat geskiet het? Dis nie regverdig nie. Wag vir die feite asseblieftog.

      Kgopotso - 2011-11-08 16:09

      So dit is n swart maan wat daardie vrou mense dood geskiet het??Goeie genaade.Volgende tyd as n wit maan n ander wit maan dood skiet sal ons die ANC of n swart maan blaameer..Blacks are the cause of everything that goes wrong hey Annalene..Sour Grapes..Go live in Orania..

  • Ingrid - 2011-11-08 12:09

    Shocking. Who are these mad people who take someones life cold bloodedly like this. People have got some serious issues out there it is scary.

  • Marius - 2011-11-08 12:10

    What the hell is going on? Murder everywhere.

      Jan - 2011-11-08 13:35

      Money my friend money. Check out if her husband / ex has money and if any legal battles have been taking place lately.

  • Alan - 2011-11-08 12:12

    wasn't me

  • barry.mcbride - 2011-11-08 12:19

    "Pta woman driver shot dead by motocyclists" No such thing as motocyclists; news24 should really try avoid spelling mistakes, especially in the heading of an article!