Workers, jobless the new divide - De Klerk

2012-09-06 22:33

Cape Town - The main inequality divide in South Africa is no longer between blacks and whites, but between unionised and employed workers on the one hand, and unemployed on the other, former president FW de Klerk said on Thursday.

"It is a divide that lies at the heart of our inequality challenge," he said at a Cape Town Press Club memorial dinner.

De Klerk said it was also a divide "that the Congress of SA Trade Unions is determined to defend by vigorously opposing any efforts to make the labour market more flexible".

Another principal cause of inequality was the "catastrophic failure of our education system".

A total of 60 percent of those who left school did so without a matric, and those who passed matric did so with an average mark of less than 40%, he said.

  • prince.mthalane.3 - 2012-09-06 23:10

    Those unionised workers have nothing to do with the country's inequality because most of them are underpaid. The inequalities are a result of a huge salary gab between the top executives and workers @ lower levels.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-06 23:27

      @ prince.mthalane.3 Nobody prevents you from becoming a (top) executive yourself. The JSE is an example of a vehicle which allows it. You are more than fee to become one of the beneficiaries of the economic activities that are taking place. BUT, if you were for example in Cuba or the old Soviet Union, or North Korea or even Zimbabwe you would have no alternative but to rely on the powers (illegal by any stretch of a democratic ideal) to just work like a labourer and quite frankly a zombie for your whole life without any option at all. That's the truth and reality. What is it with some of you? Magtig man, pool your resources and start doing something about your destinies. No politician or trade unionist is going to do it. You keep on feeding the sharks! And they love it. That's one of the reasons why your lives (and those of the rest of us) are not what they should be. The income (often meagre)from your and others efforts are being taxed. Think also VAT. For what?

      taetjo.mathabatha - 2012-09-07 06:57

      Where in the world do executives get paid as much as the general workers? I am not promoting exploitation but you need to be reasonable here boet. The great amounts of inequalities in SA come 1stly from the not so just laws of apartheid which have reverberated into our future... And the current government and unions are not exactly improving on that situation, or are they?

      jacques.otto.50 - 2012-09-07 12:51

      mmmm prince please wake tf up. Take 2500 workers plus their wages and take the top executive payments who make up maybe 5% of the work force. The bulk of wages goes to the workers mate in any balance sheet. Do you know what a balance sheet is. O wait lets pay the clerk working for the muncipality the same as Zuma. You see what i mean.....Think if you can before you speak

      CapeTownRob - 2012-09-07 16:49

      To quote from the 11th UASA Employment Report: "All the evidence when compared on actual data & across countries shows that the unskilled South African employee on the lower Patterson levels is the best paid by far, particularly those working for the state & SOE's"

  • oageng.lekete.7 - 2012-09-06 23:11

    Look who's talking, bwa!ha!

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-07 00:47

      @controversy why should we look at you?

      taetjo.mathabatha - 2012-09-07 06:52

      Yes, a great man is talking.

  • jeremy.forbes.1293 - 2012-09-06 23:12

    A troubling analysis yet heartening to note that colour is becoming less of a basis on which we divide. We all have a stake in this land, if collectively we cannot build a common and prosperous future we will all go down together with nowhere to run to. Citizens will have move this country forward despite the ANC.

  • SharonE - 2012-09-06 23:14

    Wouldn't it be nice if unemployed people converged near where these strikers are, just to remind them how lucky they are to actually have a job!! I would a million times rather be earning a minimum wage than none at all.

      penny.stone.589 - 2012-09-07 00:23

      Totally agree. A lot of us (I include myself) are earning minimum wage, if not under, just to have a job. None of us have a union pushing for a wage of R12,500 - I wish...

  • bernard.nienaber - 2012-09-06 23:16

    Shut up de klerk, you sold us out LMAO !!!!

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-06 23:28

      You wanted to be in the shoes of North Korea?

      taetjo.mathabatha - 2012-09-07 06:52

      You sold yourself out by not using your brain.

      bernard.nienaber - 2012-09-07 07:55

      For a while there I felt like a guilty white, but I'm better now. Just for the record the LMAO behind my comment meant it was said in gest.. Sensitive a-holes...

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-09-07 08:21

      FW went beyond his mandate during the negotiations and never gave his supporters the opportunity to reject/support the negotiated outcome. Thereby he doomed the country into a winner takes it all centralised state where there are enormous potential for corruption and incentives to hang on to power. This is the same system that failed everywhere in Southern Africa. There were alternatives e.g. a federal system that could have distributed power better and that could have prevented many of the evils that South Africa struggles with today. Thanks to FW we have a de facto one party state. That is why is not trusted nor respected among his own people and seen as the leader of the group that sold us out cheaply just to get a deal.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-06 23:23

    Hey where is my comment about SA going down the sewage pipe? Someone doesnt like the truth? Back to the subject, anyway.Why he must do anything, he is not a man in charge anymore as foreign democracy-makers and his fellow citizens made him step down and resign. You accuse him of creating a sort of certain situation... De Klerk did all in his power to preserve peace and stability in the country and now you blaming him for the ANC stuff-ups? From now on he can only advise and point out, dont expect anything from a person you discharged yourselves. Or maybe if you really want DK to do something - than elect him as your president and you'll get the difference.

  • bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-07 03:37

    Yes, mnumzane F.W de Klerk you're right in a way.I guese you know that History repeats itself,and that's exactly what is happening right now.We keep repeating the very same mistakes now and again.National Party did exactly what ANC is doing now if not worse.The Cosatu that you see now was there before just in a different name and leadership.The inequality gap was wide open,the only difference is it was between two racial groups, so called (Blacks and Whites).We can cry fowl about AAA and BBEEE but at least now it has a name and a reason to exist.Unlike in your time and that of the fathers of apartheid where your skin colour determined the kind of life suitable for you. I'm not whinning about something new but everybody is aware of what I'm talking about.But to be honest South Africa will never see the light if our office bearers rule the country with a "Who is the Boss now"mentality.We are human beings and grudges and hatred is something that we were born win.But it is controlable.Black people were crying every day and night and dying too during that time,but our cries always fell onto deaf ears.I'm not saying eye for an eye but just reminding you of the road that we travelled to be where we are today.All because we were not human enough in the eyes of a white man. To cut the long story short, all I 'm saying is time for speaches is now over.Action needs to be taken now if we want to see S A prosper.What happens if DA takes over?Same routen. "BOSSO KE MANG TIME IS OVER".

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-09-07 04:05

      Well said: you must keep voting ANC; this time around, I am sure that they will deliver on their promises.

      bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-07 04:57

      @lionel.defrontignac. Maybe you don't understand what I'm trying to say here.I'm neither defending anybody nor bad mouthing anybody but just trying to get everybody to think deeply about the solution to the dilemna that we're facing today. Let's not be brainwashed by the politicians now and again and support a political party because it's majority black or white.Most South Africans still believe in that which really doesn't work.In S A at a moment there're two big political parties that are fighting for our votes so that they can rule the country.Well to me at a moment none of them is capable.Or should I say their leadership of the time is not ready.But because of people like you who always bad mouth ANC then people get angry,frustrated and say better the devil we know.Do you know that all the bad comments about the ANC that white people post on these forums make ANC stronger every day? Maybe you didn't know that.Stop bad mouthing the next guy or political party and just come with something that you think might work then you'll see what people will do.People are also tired but they don't have an alternative and you're not giving them one.So what do you think they're going to do?Stick with the devil they know.

      jakes.cakedregs - 2012-09-07 04:59

      Power corrupts...

      joe.bat.52 - 2012-09-07 07:59

      @Bongeka..i completely disagree especially with your statement on "people like you always bad mouthing ANC than people get angry that white peoplepoet on these forums make the ANC stronger every day" the mere fact that lot of the white people know that apartheid was absolutely wrong does not explain how good the infrastructure and running of the government were in good hands where things moved like clock work. Why because white people demand things to be done properly like service, etc. White people question and argue one another to imrove oneself. Hence you only had the best people in government. The current government has THREE parties that do not share the same policices for SA and the reason why there is always this power struggle amongest the THREE parties namely, COSATU, SA COMMUNIST & ANC and on how to run the country with their policy ideals??? Where in the world do you have a governemt sharing three poilitical ideals.. hence SA is noe failing and being destroyed because everyone in the government is looking after their own interest and not the people that voted them..Please do not tell me they dont know about this failure..they are not prepared to accept responsibility and blame someone else!! is this forward thinking and a solution to solving SA's problems. Remember they are in power and no one else..they have to separate themselves from governmet and let the people choose the president first and the party to be in goverment.

  • Swapie - 2012-09-07 05:11

    Wow. We have realy became a nation of moaners.

  • gngaleka - 2012-09-07 05:21

    The likes of De Klerk and Tutu must book in at the old age home before they totally contaminate the good they did in their prime.

      raymon.mcnelly - 2012-09-07 08:15

      @gngaleka: //..before they totally contaminate the good they did in their prime. // De Klerk ran the apartheid government in his prime ... hehe

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-09-07 05:22

    For starters and other hot heads, De clerk should be credited for his wisdom,courage ,vission and leadership in ensuring that we achieve transision from brutal dictatorship to a democratic order with minimal bloodshed. Like anybody else,he has a right to participate in forums that seek to find solutions to our sick society. The manner in which some whites feel about him, that he sold them out is the same like some blacks think of Mdiba.

      bongeka.magwaza - 2012-09-07 05:36

      @Thobile Lugwadu.I do take my hat off for him for doing what he did for Madiba, but on the other side I say he didn't do it because he whole heartedly wanted to do it, but pressure was on him.Civil war was looming and the international community was putting pressure by sanctioning them.

      jacques.vermaak.50 - 2012-09-07 08:03

      @Bongeka there was sanctions long before De Klerk took power, so I don’t think it was that. South Arica was self-sufficient we didn’t need the rest of the world. However I do think that Civil war might have happened did he not release Madiba.

  • jlushaba - 2012-09-07 05:40

    Well said Mr De Klerk.....

  • brionyl.french - 2012-09-07 06:04

    He didnt create this situation Johann, He freed Mandela, He was the last man of apartheid but HE FREED MANDELA maybe you need a history lesson?? I think what he is saying is completely true... Look at it like this, in an apartheid with no country wanting to do any business with us, the rand was R5 to the british pound its now how much? since we lifted the apartheid. Look at the costs of living in 20 year how much things have become. My moms bond was R40 000 the same house now is R2.2mil Our money means nothing now and why? because of poor leadership and flase promises and the chicken little syndrome every SOuth African seems to have... I dont need to work hard for my money and feel proud, I can sleep under a tree and the government will provide me with money for sleeping food for when im hungry shelter from the rain and warmth from the cold PLUS i can rob and steel and murder/ Rape and still walk the streets... I can drive illegally and take drugs and my government will give me a grant because I have 15 kids and 5 wives oh and Eskom she likes me stealing the power.... COME ON!!! WAKE UP!!! NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE!!!!! and you should take pride in your work and yourselves but how can one when they get it free? its a lil like a a spoilt rich kid relying on Daddy to save the day everyday... what happens when Daddy isnt around?

  • brionyl.french - 2012-09-07 06:10

    @ Bongeka -civil war is still about to happen but this time its not about race but false promises and being taken advantage of we are not a chinese sweat shop or elephants in a circus getting paid peanuts we are humans trying to get through a month.... sadly the poor policies and bad missmanagement of funds has led JHB Gen for example which used to be the best government hospital to one of its worst. How can you say this current government is looking out for you.... Have you been invited to live in ZUMAVILLE? paid by your tax money? have you seen how much money is wasted by these greedy thieving people? I pray a natural disaster washes away these thieves giving us our money back

  • Anele - 2012-09-07 06:13

    De klerk was responsible for killing of our own people during apartheid so i can't listen anything from him , he needs to be taken in a mental intitution by hating blacks in our continent

      EricksonTL - 2012-09-07 06:18

      Pity low IQ doesn't also qualify you for a mental institution. Because you clearly lack the insight, and could do with some state assistance. De Klerk is not a hero - but he's also not a bad guy. Pick up a history book sometime. Heck, pick up ANY book without pictures. There's a whole world out there - outside of your brain washed, simplistic view. You owe it to yourself to explore it.

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-09-07 06:37

      Anele then we must put Mandela, Zuma and malema in there as well for all the white people killed since ANC took over. S*** for brains!

      charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-09-07 07:07

      Ag shame you must be part of the 60perc

  • victormrmind.sibanda - 2012-09-07 06:39

    Mr De-klerk wt u said is nothng bt d truth, nw i c a reason Y u freed Mr mandela.

  • pierreft - 2012-09-07 07:38

    De Klerk knows what he is talking about! This country is going down the drain with all the corruption, poor service levels, whites emigrating, hatred , fear, previous disadvantaged farmers that cannot farm and produce at the level the whites did, people not being appointed for their ability, poor correctional services, homeless people, etc etc. I think all and all, this country, not rebuilding itself, but failing over and over again(with government guidance) - is what the country deserves, just a pity the white minority that built it and tries to maintain it, suffers with it.

      Kokkie de Kock - 2014-08-14 23:54

      Vetkop FW is exactly the cause of the condition of this country.

  • tshilidzi.ramadwa - 2012-09-07 07:45

    I think Mr De Klerk is partially right.Not that his goverment did any better. When are going to compesate those who where on struggle by giving them some sort of money or land and remove them from parliament and put professors/skilled individuals in our leadership? I just dont understand what criteria is used to hire ministers but I am sure none of them are skilled and dont even have a 3 days certificate training. Where are we going as a country?

      EricksonTL - 2012-09-07 07:57

      The trouble lies in the term 'cannon fodder.' The ANC used MOST of the struggle stalwarts (the ones now languishing in shacks in god forsaken corners of SA) as cannon fodder. They're doing the same now. They KNOW there's a BLOODY mess coming. They're just keeping you on a string, so they can yank you around by the nose when the time comes. ANC: keeping em stupid since 1994. On a serious note though, why do you think that I, as a white person who never voted in an apartheid election, owes you anything? If we're talking ancient reparations, then can the Romans PLEASE come forward, cos they were real dicks to my celtic forebears. Your ministers comment is spot on though. We should be hiring ministers from the BEST of their field. Not whatever the ANC scrapes off their shoe every once in a while.

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-07 07:48

    Judging from these comments that I read on News24 everyday.Now I realise why we blacks shouldn't ever let DA win the elections. We fine with our black corrupt government.White people still despise black people.

      vincent.auret - 2012-09-07 10:56

      No, black people are cool. In fact, many of them are absolutely fantastic people. Its just most whites hate the ANC -a corrupt, pathetic, useless government that has done nothing but enrich themselves and the cost of everyone else. While everyone in the country has to constantly watch their backs lest they be murdered, raped, hijacked etc, the ANC is all sitting safe and Zuma is probably bedding one of his numerous wives. Most whites hate the inept government, not blacks, so wake up man!

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-07 14:40

      You try to accuse Zille and DA in total of an attempt to restore apartheid? Then you should better learn something about her biography.

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-07 14:50

      Something else to add as i was to fast to press submit. Only inferior individuals can despise others because they have different color of their skin. That fact you're black doesnt make you better than me. The same time my skin doesnt give me any privileges over you. I respect black people and moreover i can say about them possessing some certain qualities we ourselves are missing. But i cannot bear stupidity, arrogance, hypocrisy, duplicity and irresponsibility. As you understand all above mentioned is not applicable to only certain race.

  • warwick.bristow - 2012-09-07 07:54


  • hennie.potgieter.161 - 2012-09-07 08:06

    Oh please, anything that leaves the pie hole of a politician should just be filed under verbal pollution! Fixing this country starts with each and everyone of ourselves and not with the political fat cats who are more than speed bumps on the road to progress.

  • Themba Patric Sibande - 2012-09-07 08:08

    Conrad you are one of a kind,thanks

  • Blixum - 2012-09-07 08:13

    I would like to remind mister de Klerk and the rest of this forum that the trade unions is an apartheid legacy. They were all formed in the 70's after the Prof Wiehann report from Unisa who recommended that the then government allow trade unions. That is when Cosatu, the UDF et al were formed ubner the leadership of one Cyril Ramaphosa, Jey Knaaido etc. Have that and eat it.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-09-07 10:09

    Whoever is responsible for deleting comments on news24 is a bigotted douchebag!

  • InkingaYabeLungu - 2012-09-07 11:47

    eish white ppl, sour grapes

      andy.rossell - 2012-09-07 11:54

      No sour grapes just pure realism

  • lskosana3 - 2012-09-07 11:57

    Yes, fellow black people, apartheid really did us in on so many levels and it's legacy still lives on BUT de Klerk is right about education. It's the only way to empower ourselves and our children so that we stop the cycle of poverty and mostly the mental slavery and ignorance that plagues the black nation. We can't keep blaming the past when we have the opportunity NOW to change our future. Get an education, be informed and open minded and stop wailing about a past that can't be changed.

  • cliverobert.jones - 2012-09-07 13:50

    de klerk caused ALL this ask HIM to remedy what HE destroyed . Communist .

  • Crusadersudan - 2013-06-15 19:55

    And u the cause of it all Hunt .

  • Crusadersudan - 2013-06-15 19:56

    de klerk is senile .

  • Crusadersudan - 2013-06-15 19:58

    De klerk gave the country to these @rsholes...get his X killed and then ran

  • Kokkie de Kock - 2014-08-14 23:53

    Another principal cause of inequality was the "catastrophic failure of our education system". What happened to your CHECKS and BALANCES, vetkop. Weren't they supposed to prevent all problems ??? You robbed generations and generations of children of a good education because you handed everything to people who were not yet able to manage a country.

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