Zille: See it in context

2012-06-01 14:37

Cape Town - The so-called "fruitless and wasteful" R8 696 spent on re-advertising a branding contract should be seen in context, Western Cape Premier Helen Zille said on Friday.

"We disagree [with the Public Protector Thuli Madonsela] that this constituted fruitless and wasteful expenditure, because it must be seen relative to the cost of not re-advertising and potentially compromising the process further," she said.

"To put this amount into perspective, it is about the same we spent flying officials to the public protector's media briefing in Pretoria this morning."

Zille was briefing reporters in Cape Town after Madonsela said there was no evidence of unlawfulness in the premier's office awarding a branding contract to advertising agency TBWA.

Four findings

Madonsela was asked by, among others, the ANC in the Western Cape to investigate whether the provincial premier's department had employed proper demand side management regarding procurement of the contract.

She had to find out whether failure to do so had resulted in fruitless and wasteful expenditure, whether the department had kept proper records of proceedings of the bid evaluation committee, and whether the appointment of two special advisers to the committee to award the contract was legal.

She made four findings of maladministration but none of unlawfulness, which meant she would not recommend that the contract was invalid or should be cancelled.

One of these findings was that the department had failed to employ proper demand management processes and had wasted over R8 000 in public money when it advertised the tender for the branding contract twice because of this.

The tender referred to in the report was advertised, contrary to allegations, she found.

Zille said the report found no corruption and political involvement, interference or manipulation in the procurement process. She was also not personally involved in the process.

‘A storm in a teacup’

She said it was found that the presence of two special advisers on the tender bid evaluation committee had made no difference to the outcome.

Madonsela found that some administrative processes in managing transversal tenders, those which involved various government departments and strict Treasury regulations, were faulty.

Zille said the provincial treasury had picked up these faults long beforehand and steps were taken to rectify them.

The premier said the time and money spent on investigating the tender amounted to hundreds of thousands of rands, which could better have been spent on service delivery.

"The entire exercise was a storm in a teacup stirred up by our political opponents."

  • Snoopy - 2012-06-01 14:45

    Viva DA!

      Sganja - 2012-06-01 14:47

      My Anc my vision

      Dave - 2012-06-01 14:50

      Blind as a bat

      Larry - 2012-06-01 14:52

      Go see an optomotrist 'cos you are obviously blind.

      Frank - 2012-06-01 14:54

      The ANC spent how many millions on their ridiculous birthday celebrations..? I'm sure all South Africans welcome investigations into all wasting of public money, but there must be thousands of cases involving millions of rands that should be investigated first.

      Lyndatjie - 2012-06-01 14:56

      Viva South Africa...

      Mike - 2012-06-01 15:03

      I'm sure you do poliodonkey because you can't fault her it kills you so that's all you can say, ag shame!

      Theo - 2012-06-01 15:06

      @Poloyatonki.... Why must she disappear ? Maybe because she is doing everything right all the time and embarress you fools all the time. Eat your heart out>> SHE IS GOING NO WHERE !

      mihaip007 - 2012-06-01 15:09

      LOL this R8000 something is a little ant compared to the billions of wasteful expenditure by the ANC's appointed people like Bheki Cele, and the newly found fat pension for that other idiot in jail..! wow anc you REALLY have done it! More hundeds of thousands of rands spent to find something to the amount of R8000! which by the by zill also said that it WAS accounted for and steps were taken to ensure that it is being rectified..!

      Eye's Cue - 2012-06-01 15:12

      Of course we do Ms Zille, it's only 'you know who' who don't want to see anything of the D.A.'s vaguely working!!! Worry not, we all know the truth!!!

      Bryan - 2012-06-01 15:13

      @Poliodonkey, Tsotsi-Baby and Sganja.... A Tri-partheid alliance of mongrel idiots!! Baa baa black sheep ring a bell boys???

      Pat - 2012-06-01 15:18

      viva my middle finger to DA

      NrGx - 2012-06-01 15:19

      +-R8000, OMG, stop the presses! If only the anc and their sheeple could count, they would realise this is a miniscule amount. Hell, even I, a pleb worker, can afford this.

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-06-01 15:23

      See were the barking is coming from, from the corrupted cANCer thief's!!

      Larry - 2012-06-01 15:25

      Eh, dis not Baa baa black sheep ring a bellboys. Eh, dis have you any woolboys. I is not as stipid as u think I are.

      Mark - 2012-06-01 15:42

      What a Joke.. I thought I missed seeing a couple of zero's at first.. my word, the ANC wastes billions and complains about a measly 8 grand... laughable....

      Christelle - 2012-06-01 15:50

      I suppose it R8 000 should be looked at in context and comparison to the R19.2 billion that was unaccounted, unauthorised spending by the government (which we are aware of) What a joke - the ANC is really grasping at straw to discredit the DA!

      Godfrey - 2012-06-01 16:12

      @Larry... lol....its not 'any woolboys' its 'any woodwork-boys'

      Nosiphom - 2012-06-01 16:16

      It cost at least 20x more to do the investigation - that is fruitless and wasteful expenditure. Guys comeon!

      greeff.kotze - 2012-06-04 12:33

      So, basically... the ANC has just caused the national government (via the office of the Public Protector) to spend hundreds of thousands of rands of taxpayer money to widely publicise how efficient the DA administration is? Is that what we call "scoring an own goal"? ;-)

  • Megan - 2012-06-01 14:45

    Regardless of what the case is here it all comes down the one thing: The ANC have absolutely NO MORAL ground to stand on while accusing others of corruption... In fact, no one should pay any attention to their callings for investigations into corruption until they themselves can prove that they are squeaky clean without closing down government agencies dedicated to investigating these things...

      eil33nn - 2012-06-01 16:05

      I agree, R8k for advertising vs R10K spent at McD's that was actually for a painting...

      mundu.olewega - 2012-06-01 16:10

      The ANC are trying to find fault. In truth the ANC drop 8 grand a minute in wasteful spending. The tens of thousands spent investigating this is a small example of this.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-06-01 14:45

    ANC opponents stirring up a storm in a tea cup because they have no access to the tea and cake anymore.

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-01 14:49

      Oh they have cake but they eat it in private !!!

      Megan - 2012-06-01 16:45

      And there TSOTSI are your double standards ONCE AGAIN...

      luytster - 2012-06-01 18:49

      @Deteem Zooomer has a choice of cake to eat. Flies a new piece up fron Nkandla when ever he feels like it courtesy of SAAF and taxpayers. Wha ha ha

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-06-01 14:45

    Even if it was "wasteful", R8906 is hardly anything to worry about in comparison with BILLIONS of Rands stolen and wasted in the ANC controlled provinces. If only they would take an example from the DA on hwo things must be done..

      Hadebe - 2012-06-01 14:58

      Lets waste 8000 now and then, its nothing. The anc wastes much more than that, so 8000 is nothing.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-01 15:14

      I wonder where the thumbs up came from, DA supporters perhaps?

      Hadebe - 2012-06-01 15:30

      Lol, now i know.

      Cameron - 2012-06-01 16:18

      ANC MENTALITY - Lets waste billions of rands of the tax payers money a year because we know the sheep will carry on voting us in and keeping us in our luxurious cars and houses, while they carry on living in shacks, have no jobs, and no water and electricity...i could go on..but im sure the point has been put across...

      Nosiphom - 2012-06-01 16:18

      Never mind the Billions wasted. Going ahead with the investigation IS fruitless and wasteful expenditure. You don't spend R100k to investigate the waste of R8k!

  • Stephen - 2012-06-01 14:46

    True, That money could have use to build RDP houses. Now if the PP spent that time investigating the ANC and Malema it would found lots of corruption.

      Sganja - 2012-06-01 14:48

      Please leave Malema alone...

      John - 2012-06-01 15:56

      You're awfully quiet ganja.

      randomhero6661 - 2012-06-01 16:07

      yeah , he is about as useful as a wet toilet roll.

  • Holdanigono - 2012-06-01 14:48

    Looks like the ANC is sifting gnats and swallowing camels

      Dave - 2012-06-01 14:51


      danny.archer.589 - 2012-06-02 11:50

      That's too priceless, dude. :)

  • farmfreund - 2012-06-01 14:53

    The Anc is under presure they will try any trick in the anc manual to distract people from the real problems the country is facing, the Anc blows Bil.every year on $hit , now they make a big fazz about R8500, what a bunch off losers, Zuma Step down, One more thing I disagree with the speer Zuma has not closely have big balls like that.

  • Timothy - 2012-06-01 14:54

    oh wow... R8k compared to the ANC's wasteful and corrupt expenditure.... The ANC is such a joke! Seriously! Such a joke!

      Poloyatonki - 2012-06-01 15:01

      DA sucks.

      Richard - 2012-06-01 15:09

      ANC sucks the blood of poor black people.

      Polotic - 2012-06-02 16:08

      @Polyatonki - Is that all you can say? If you had even one brain cell you will realise that the DA are streets ahead of the ANC in competent, clean and corruption free governance. And before you say that the DA is a racist party, as the ANC would have their supporters believe, there are more menbers of colour in the party than white supporters. You sir are an absolute idiot as demonstrated by this and your other postings.

  • Archie - 2012-06-01 14:55

    Helen Zilles word is her bond.So ANC caders go eat dirt,and take your Richard Mdluli gang with you.Now you want to steal Midvaal,because you cant beat DA fair and square.A=avarice N nepotism C= communism.all together= ANC.

  • Tax - 2012-06-01 14:56

    Zille is actually complimenting the ANC by referring to them as "opponents". More like irritants.

      Mark - 2012-06-01 15:36

      or pests....

  • Rob - 2012-06-01 14:57

    OK, so we have R8k wasted. Here is a suggestion. Both the DA and the ANC must donate to a non-political charity the following amounts. From the DA, donate R8,000 that amount collected from all DA MPS, each one contributing equally from their own personal wealth. From the ANC, calculate the total currently known corruption from tenders during the past 12 months, add the totalproject money wasted during the past 12 months. Each MP to contribute an equal amount to reach this total from their own personal wealth.

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-01 15:27

      The ANC government would have to declare bankruptcy.

  • Marco - 2012-06-01 14:59

    sganja and tsotsi on one page??? a dream come true cowabunga #power to my poop hole

      Mike - 2012-06-01 15:10

      They are lovers the two poop holes but I'm not sure which one is the puff breaker or the pillow biter.

      Vic - 2012-06-01 15:32

      Daniel, you gave me something to smile about. The chimp at Tygerberg zoo, who used to put water in his mouth, and squirt visitors when they passed, has more intelligence than the two poop holes combined.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-01 15:00

    This is cheap politics since the ANC is the official opposition in W-Cape this is expected. There are also a dozen of cases in Gauteng that were found to be maladministration not corruption. Funny how people are ok with maladministration, but these two devils are related – maladministration can give birth to corruption if it’s not curtailed. It’s a pity that the ANC and DA are so obsessed with their party allegiance that they have adopted a hear no evil stance. Whatever party it is corruption and maladministration should be discouraged!!!!!!

      John Fourie - 2012-06-01 15:15

      Politics, yes. Cheap, no.

      Dee - 2012-06-01 15:42

      Indeed maladministration should be discouraged. In this instance of unusual Transversal process - it turns out Ms Madonsela finds the REGULATIONS more at fault than the actual honest intent of the tender process. One good thing for all is Madonsela's recommendation to fix the regulation fault : "Madonsela found that some administrative processes in managing transversal tenders, those which involved various government departments and strict Treasury regulations, were faulty."

      John - 2012-06-01 16:04

      Point is, there is enough transparency in the DA that you can see it and have it addressed. The ANC offers no such transparency.

      raath - 2012-06-01 16:20

      Yes, the denser you are the less transparent you get haha

      danny.archer.589 - 2012-06-02 11:53

      @raath. Dude, that is a razor sharp observation!

  • Mark - 2012-06-01 15:00

    How could the DA spend over 8 grand so wastefully? The ANC should appoint a commission of inquiry, comprising of at least 3 cabinet ministers - 1 being BEE appointed and 1 being female - and COSATU and the SACP and ANCYL and the ANCWL, to investigate. They'll spend that much just on snacks getting to the commission.

      Jazzy - 2012-06-01 15:34

      and then they'd take the leftovers home "because it's been paid for already"!

  • sean.noble1 - 2012-06-01 15:02

    HAHA trying to nit pick over 10k seriously? Julias alone has stolen over 40 million, a couple of billion spend on ANC parties from taxpayers money, a certain multi billion rand toll system that goes nowhere, Zuma's brother that spends 80k on a friday in a pub thanks to boetie's guvment contracts, a couple of billion in weapons nobody in the guvment knows how to use or maintain, Eskom maintenance money that got spent on bonuses for guv stake holders travel gate scandals, our intellegence chief made his entire uneducated family colonels, and so i can sit and type here the whole day, And the only thing they ANC can come up with is 10k mispent, because the public prosecutor has no business sense? If 10k is the worst the ANC can come up with even if mispent the DA runs a damn clean shop.

  • jordaanjean - 2012-06-01 15:02

    Hold on for a moment. The ANC led government wants to get all huffy over R8 696 wasted money when they waste billions every month.

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-06-01 15:03

    Well said Helen(DA):"The time and money spent on investigating the tender amounted to hundreds of thousands of rands, which could better have been spent on service delivery." The ANC numbnuts are chasing shadows instead of doing their jobs which is like you say "service delivery" among other things.The ANC's dirty tricks are catching up with the fools bigtime.

  • Mark - 2012-06-01 15:06

    The ANC are a joke. A bad, tasteless and poorly told joke but a joke nevertheless. To continue voting for the ANC after their latest offerings one must therefore have a sense of humour which is to be admired. "No house, no job, no food but great sense of humour" - can't wait to see the cANCer using that as a slogan.

  • samantha.5243 - 2012-06-01 15:10

    R8000 compared to how many BILLIONS! that the ANC have wasted and cannot account for ?????????????- I mean come on!!!

      danny.archer.589 - 2012-06-02 11:57

      @kalawa. No. That doesn't make it okay. But it sure means that blacks are voting for the wrong party.

  • Mark - 2012-06-01 15:12

    Maybe the Public Protector should make her next port of call the Union Buildings in Pta, if that's what they're still called and if they're still there, and check out a couple of offices for the same "wasteful expenditure". Perhaps she could start in the office of the national commissioner of police, next door to the prez's - the one with the inter leading door. Maybe she'll even find somebody there, on the phone, but I doubt it. This is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while - has made my Friday.

  • Andre - 2012-06-01 15:14

    My goodness, the ANC is really trying very hard to get a stick to whip the other parties with. And this investigation was about R8696, whilst the comrades are wasting millions of rand on rubbish. How pathetic!

  • corrie.bresler - 2012-06-01 15:15

    If proven false, the cost of a investigation must be recovered from the instigators of the investigation. That will stop willy-nilly allegations from being made.

      Fiona - 2012-06-01 16:45

      I agree entirely! Or perhaps there should be a counter-investigation by the Public Protector into parties or MPs who maliciously cause wasteful and fruitless expenditure of tax monies in a frivolous investigation instead of simply doing their homework properly first before they bring such accusations.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-01 15:19

    The anc gets more desperate every day,a little insecurity maybe.Dont take that pathetic party,s rubbish da.

  • jackivdm - 2012-06-01 15:21

    Am I misunderstanding - the DA was accused of not advertising the tender, now they are found guilty of advertising the tender too much???

  • Jazzy - 2012-06-01 15:24

    Zille rides again! Well done!

  • dirk.kruger - 2012-06-01 15:26

    Well done on being open and telling it as it is! I wonder if other parties has the guts to be open! Too many skeletons in the cupboard or is it the behind the desk!

  • ross.hampton.cole - 2012-06-01 15:27

    Pocket change compared to my tax money wasted on anc idiocrat celebratbions.

  • Stephen - 2012-06-01 15:31

    More than R8000 was wasted investigating this so-called fruitless expenditure.

  • Hadebe - 2012-06-01 15:35

    Oh! My God! There goes 4 millions of our money from anc, trying to find out why the da spent 8000 on a branding. God Lord, have mercy on us.

  • russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-01 15:37

    Every time a government puke opens his mouth it merely reinforces the fact that the ANC is morally and mentally bankrupt. They cannot stand the fact that the DA is doing a good job of running the province and they will do absolutely anything to undermine and destabilize the Cape. Even if it means compromising the health, safety and welfare of the very citizens it claims to want to uplift. If anybody within the ANC was serious about corruption those responsible for the arms deal fiasco would have been brought to book years ago....including Zuma. I have no respect for the ANC, it's members and most especially it's president.

  • claire.c.stiles - 2012-06-01 15:37

    hehe ... honestly this useless ANC drives me up the fu88cking wall.. they have no foot to stand on over a small R8000...... think of the millions of rands they waste everyday...

  • ACvanNiekerk - 2012-06-01 15:40

    Well done DA > ANC - is that the best you have?

  • russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-01 15:40

    The more the ANC questions other parties the more it exposes its own corruption and lack of transparency.

  • Pappa - 2012-06-01 15:46

    8696 and the country is up in arms.... what a joke..... cANCer you are a laughable bunch of buffoons..... bwahahahhahhahahahha.....

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-06-01 15:49

    Hadebe you MORON, just a week ago it was discovered that 15900 Govt employes of the helth dept in Eastern Cape Stole 200 MILLION RAND. A few days ago the Gauteng province discovered that 10 employees had stolen TEN MILLION RAND over the past year. Would you like me to carry on? there's plenty more... So yes you chop, R8906 is hardly anything comparing to that.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-01 15:51

      And the point is?

      Hadebe - 2012-06-01 15:54

      Danny, Danny boi, who discovered that?

      djmain1 - 2012-06-01 15:56

      I guess the point is the cANCer are corrupt to the core. The cannot be rehabilitated - only hoofed out. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!!

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-01 18:35

      The point, Hadebe, is ANC hypocrisy which seems to know no limits. The point, Hadebe, is due to the ANCs rabid determination to obtain complete and total control over this country, the judicial system, the economy and the minds of the people that it will spend hundreds of thousands of our tax rands to investigate R8000.00 worth of what it claims to be corruption by an opposition party that has the audacity to rule a province better than the ANC can run a circle jerk. As it turns out there was no corruption but I suspect the muppets that infect the ANC with their racist, narrow minded psuedo democratic, limpwristed socialist nonsense already knew that.

  • michael.kleber.376 - 2012-06-01 15:51

    i am pleased the ANC are now looking out for mal administration and wastage but please don't only scrutinize the Western Cape look at all the provinces and highlight any wrong doing even if by your own

  • John - 2012-06-01 15:55

    Question is, are the ruling party open to being investigated as well? And if so, will they allow the information to be made public as in this case? Point is, what's good for the goose...

  • Marc - 2012-06-01 15:57

    All this fuss about 9K!? What about the millions squandered by others politicians? Some people really need to grow up.

  • Silindile - 2012-06-01 16:01

    For those of you pointing out that its just R8000... At some point, 18 years ago, the ANC fruitlessly and wastefully spent small amounts of our money, and we forgave them, brushing it off as 'Well its better than what the NP did'... And look where we are now. Billions down the drain. We MUST hold our politicians accountable at all times and show ZERO tolerance every time. Otherwise the more we forgive, the more they believe they can get away with.

      danny.archer.589 - 2012-06-02 12:04

      Really? When was that exactly? Between 94 and 98? Because that's when the arms deal happened. 98. Do you REALLY believe that they were dealing with small numbers in the run up to 98? No son. They started the mass looting as soon as Mandela was sworn in. Remember, they "didn't join the struggle to be poor." Dimwit.

  • - 2012-06-01 16:06

    R8696... REALLY?

      randomhero6661 - 2012-06-01 16:09

      yes really, i double checked it.

      danny.archer.589 - 2012-06-02 12:05

      @randomhero lol

  • Loo - 2012-06-01 16:08

    LOL.. whenever Zille opens her mouth, Some poor ANC politician realizes he/she has mad e a HUGE F**k*p .. When WILL they learn to not even try and take on Helen.. She is just waaaayyyyy too smart and honest for them. Im sure when they know she's going to speak they think "" O.MMF I hope its not me thats going to take the rap for the B**S she is going to expose this time"

  • Charl - 2012-06-01 16:09

    R8000. Is that going to bankrupt the country? Let the useless ANC rather look at the amount of tax payers money they waste and steal. Well done to the DA. Give them all the hell they deserve.

  • gys.smit - 2012-06-01 16:09

    Wonder how much the ANC wastes in a hour ???

  • gys.smit - 2012-06-01 16:10

    Wonder what the ANC wastes a hour !

  • Ken - 2012-06-01 16:14

    R8 696 Exactly? Won't WP ANC bring another case against Helen to establish how many cents was excluded from this figure. It could be as large as 99 cents.

      danny.archer.589 - 2012-06-02 12:06


  • Luke - 2012-06-01 16:14

    is this it? - is this all the anc can get on the da? - they wasted more money investigating this, than what was spent. nice going clowns

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-01 16:53

      They didn't waste money, Thuli is paid whether there is an investigation or not. Anyway they still have to work on their maladministration issues

  • braamc - 2012-06-01 16:34

    Viva DA, Helen for president

  • navarrocarly - 2012-06-01 16:53

    Well atleast there is no million at the back of the number, like it normally is. R8k? hai bo!

  • Fiona - 2012-06-01 16:58

    Perhaps it would be helpful if the cases coming before the Public Protector had a minimum value so that the costs of investigation do not exceed the costs of the matter being investigated. Everything else must be hammered out personally by the MP making the allegation. Failing that, I agree with those on this forum who have said that the costs for what amounts to a frivolous or malicious investigation should be slapped onto the person(s) making the allegation. The Public Protector's office should not be subverted into being used as a tool for political points scoring. It does not serve the population who pay for government. We don't appreciate paying for politicians' school-ground shenanigans.

  • Arno - 2012-06-01 18:25

    What did the investigation cost us?