Maharaj: Zille must work with ministers

2012-11-15 14:08

Cape Town - Western Cape Premier Helen Zille must approach national ministers directly to assist in provincial farmworker labour unrest, the presidency said on Thursday.

"We wish to point out that the premier has access to all line function national ministries that are working on the matter, such as labour, agriculture, forestry and fisheries and the SA police services," the presidency's spokesperson Mac Maharaj said.

"The premier should thus work with her colleagues, the ministers in the relevant portfolios, to discuss the assistance she needs."

Zille wrote a letter to President Jacob Zuma on Tuesday, asking him to intervene in the De Doorns wage dispute.

"The consequences of the current crisis will be very severe for the Western Cape and South Africa as a whole if they are not immediately addressed," she said in the letter at the time.


She asked him to delegate Labour Minister Mildred Oliphant, who was out of the country, to address the situation.

Table grape harvesters began protesting in De Doorns last week with a wage demand of R150 a day.

Most earned between R69 and R75 a day, with R80 being the highest and only offer from farmers so far.
The unrest spread to other rural areas and protest action took place in 16 towns.

The labour department announced on Wednesday that farmworkers would suspend their protests over wages and living conditions in 16 towns for two weeks.

Acting Labour Minister Angie Motshekga said the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) had consulted workers and it was agreed they would return to work on Thursday and stop violence and vandalism.

The suspension was on condition that the sectoral determination for agriculture be looked at by the Employment Condition Commission next Wednesday.

This meant the R70 a day minimum wage for farmworkers would be renegotiated.

Indications on Thursday were that there were still protests in certain areas. Western Cape police spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel André Traut said a number of rural areas were being closely monitored.

"Although no serious acts of violence have been reported as yet, the matter is regarded as volatile.

"Areas affected this morning are De Doorns, Ceres and Swellendam, with sporadic situations in other areas as well. The most recent protest action is occurring in Swellendam, and although there is no indication that it is farmworker related, there could be a link."

No violence

He confirmed a farmworker was killed in Wolselely on Wednesday. He dismissed allegations that a farmer was killed in Wellington and a police officer in Ceres the same day.

"While workers have rejected a call to return back to work for the next two weeks, a promise from workers to restrain from violent actions is welcomed by Fawu leadership," the union said.

Cosatu provincial organiser Mike Louw told Sapa on Thursday that it would take a bit more time to inform all farmworkers to suspend their strike and they were deploying people to areas which had not been informed.

Five issues to tackle

Cosatu provincial secretary Tony Ehrenreich listed five issues that needed to be tackled before there was a resolution.

The first was that politicians had to stop "grand-standing" and start working together on a solution.
The second and third were both applicable to farm employer body Agri SA.

"The Agri SA must take its head out of the sand and stop undermining the workers' desire to join a union. Agri SA must add their voice to the national call for an urgent increase in the minimum wages."

Ehrenreich said the fourth point was for government to speed up the convening of a negotiations forum for the minimum wage.

Lastly, he said workers had to organise themselves by joining unions which represented their grievances.

  • kala.bafazi - 2012-11-15 14:13

    In other words the presidency doesn't give a f#$%

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 14:18

      washing their hands! They OBVIOUSLY don't think this requires their attention - they are far too above the rest! I recall the arab spring - they ALSO thought it is water under the bridge! DOWN WITH ANC!!!

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 14:21

      and where the HELL is the labour minister anyway? outside the coutnry for WHAT? Another one of those expensive "NEEDED" travels? PLEASE MAN!

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-11-15 14:35

      So he thinks the labour problem is beneath him, does he? Bah. Besides, asking his incompetent ministers for help is like farting at the wind.

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-11-15 14:43

      Zille must work with ministers??? Fine Zoomer must take responsibility!

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-15 14:44

      I'm really hoping that Helen does know the answers thats she is going to get from these morons time and time again, and is now just exploiting and well publicising to everyone how wrong the anc is? I hope, otherwise she really must be having a headbangers ball

      christopher.shining - 2012-11-15 14:47

      Lazy git...and maharaj i am hating you, yoiur time is no longer needed wank*r!

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 14:50

      tandeka - why not? PLEASE enlighten us all why she could never be our president?

      luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-11-15 14:52

      Its a step in the right direction..... all I can say is these workers are earning peanuts, its really unfair, at the same time their violence is also not acceptable. I'm sure Helen Zille will fix this situation now that she has a mandate.. she has proven her durability, intelligence and drive on many occasions.

      alan.jerrold - 2012-11-15 14:59

      The real key is not just the wage, it's the overall package that must be looked at. Is accommodation being provided? Free water and electricity? Food? I am all for a livable wage, but it must be assessed on the total package and be linked to productivity levels.

      juju.malema.792 - 2012-11-15 15:00

      Zuma to busy fornicating with his 20+ wives to give a f**k.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 15:12

      celimpilo.zungu Shame. Well get ready because we're about to make you a lot more sick. Enjoy.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-11-15 15:14

      Yet for Marikana he came without anyone requesting him to do so and on top deploy the army overnight. Can we therefore say, what happens in the WC does not deserve the presidency's attention?

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-15 15:18

      @celimpilo.zungu ah yes, the person that claims on his FB: Iam a very humbe person, fun and outgoing. Dear humbe person whatever that might be) does the white sh$$s making you sick include Jeremy Cronin, Judy Sexwale and Derek Hanekom? And all the other ANC voting white people? How about being a little more specific? You that has for most of your life been living in an ANC managed country. What exactly about these white sh$$s is making you sick? The fact that they want less money stolen to give to the poor? Good governance? These kind of things? Or is it that you just want to let your racist bigoted attitude hang out? Lets hear your superior voice of reason explain racist comments and how you as a sn0tnosed little bafana would like to run the country....

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-15 15:20

      Agreed kala.bafazi. Zipper doesn't give a hoot for the average citizen. I fervently hope that all these people see him and his cronies for what they are. @Thandeka. Helen will, without doubt, be a way better President than a million thieving Zoomers. Get your face into your history books and check out just how much this good woman fought the Nats and today, you have her to thank, among many others for your freedom today. It's just that the cANCer is treating it's voters with contempt and arrogance and most of it's sheeple just can't see it. Very, very sad.

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-15 15:57

      i lov u thandeka2luv, straight talker who is not afraid of being called names like moron, pigsheet etc. thats what white people call us if we don't agree with them, they stll want to dictate

      walter.tgsa - 2012-11-15 17:17

      All this racial blablabla against Mrs. Zille is very tiring! Mrs. Zille runs the Western Cape, she got elected by the majority of people there (combination of black and white and coloured and Indian voters). So, where all this hate and intolerance by ANC supporters comes from, beats me!

      mark.tunstall.18 - 2012-11-16 09:18

      Hey Mac my man, Do yourself a favour in the morning and turn on the bathroom light that way you will ensure inserting the correct pair of false teeth, your wifes don't work for you, clearly does not help you concentrate and then you talk twaddle

  • michael.horton.566790 - 2012-11-15 14:17

    Mac... You are just an arrogant bastard! Why can't Zille go directly to the president??? What makes him so special??? So just STFU!!! You bunch of ANC members are all a bunch of racists!!!!

      michael.horton.566790 - 2012-11-15 15:06

      @ nduduzo.zulu.73 - I agree with you and sorry but my reasoning capabilities are not low so I resent that statement! But it angers me to the bone when the so called leaders of this country is f%&king it up so badly and then shifting the responsibility onto others! The first thing we need is a change in government. Yet so many black people are so blinded by these fools that they will just keep on voting for the ANC come the next elections!!!! If not DA then ANY other party except this corrupt arrogant bunch called the ANC!!!!! Our country needs change! AND FAST!!!! The ANC are dividing the nation between racial lines and causing more chaos than they are correcting it!

      chris.gill.9849 - 2012-11-15 15:07

      @Nduduzo, surely asking the president of our country to find or seek solutions is a solution?

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-15 14:18

    Zuma passing the buck again!

  • sean.efstratiou - 2012-11-15 14:20

    Well how about you (ANC) stop sending buses full of people that DO NOT WORK on the farms nor have ANYTHING to do with them and who's only purpose is to either threaten the actual farm workers to join them or get beaten with *knobkierre* or *sambock* if they do not join your protests..... Is this your plan to cause UNREST in the Cape by attacking the farmers that supply us with our food, f*cking idiots.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-11-16 10:04

      Yep Sean.... Elections coming up soon... Do ANYTHING, however dirty), to discredit Helen Zille and the DA's success.

  • elgh.elgh - 2012-11-15 14:21

    He's too lazy to get of his fat #%^&* ar$$. Pass the buck mentality to an equal useless individual within the cANCer.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-11-15 14:37

      He is to busy attending to his wives and Nkandla's building construction to be bothered by such fravilous matters like the grape farms going up in smoke.

  • Gary.desousa7 - 2012-11-15 14:24

    I hope we will not see zuma sitting next to any other premier and supporting them in times of need but only other ministers. Erenrich needs to work out that his demands are not the only road to a solution, hes so one sided in his outlook,there is always 2 sides, negotiate dont demand as if you have some god given right to be right

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-11-15 14:27

    THE PRESIDENCY, is in other words using this as a poltical foot ball while people suffer and die, farms burnt, etc, just to score some points

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-11-15 14:34

    They first have to \apply their minds\ that's why Helen goes directly to Zuma, but then he also has to \apply his mind\ and all this takes up too much time!!! I'm sure Helen must want to hit her head against a brick wall sometimes just to get some support!!!

  • tresor.mpika.9 - 2012-11-15 14:34

    the farm protest constitute a major crisis hence its requires the active involvement of the president. Zuma needs to pesonally go to De Dorens and meet the farmers and farm workers. it seem as if the is no leadership in this country. the country is on the ticking time bomb while Zuma is still in his harnymoon after getting married last weekend

      jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-16 00:41

      harnymoon ?... I think maybe he is on permanent hornymoon ;)

  • charl.malan.12 - 2012-11-15 14:40

    Guys seriously, Jacob zooooma is far too busy with building plans at his new resort in Nkandla, how dare we ask him for help, when clearly he is waaaaay too busy to be bothered with the mayhem created in the country by the beloved cANCer!

  • evert.vanstaaden - 2012-11-15 14:44

    This is just further proof that this whole fiasco was started by the ANC and fanned by hatemongers like ehrennreich to discredit the DA in the Western Cape.

  • albert.valpre - 2012-11-15 14:44

    it wont help going to the presedent....that's the ANC's plan...

  • gina.gentle.5 - 2012-11-15 14:44

    Another worthless promise from Angie 'Textbook' Motshekga.

  • nhlapop - 2012-11-15 14:46

    Yet wena you don’t want to work with people who put you in power. How can you appoint a minister from other portfolio to act in other one, where is the Deputy minister of Labour, this shows that you don’t have leadership skills. You must step down Dude, finish and klar.

  • dennie.dupreez - 2012-11-15 14:49

    Yes the spineless brainless Zuma will not say or do anyhting now that might compromise his re-election.

  • julie.vanniekerk.3 - 2012-11-15 14:49

    Zille wanted the presidency to do something but it's obvious that he is too occupied with other things.

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-15 23:00

      she and her party think he is useless they now want him to do something.

  • albert.valpre - 2012-11-15 14:49

    his is so only the ANC showing no respect for live and the welfare of others, only thinking of them self and manipulating the mass uneducated... like one user clearly commented the EPWP a ANC initiative the uneducated workers and 95% of them get paid R66 a day, and they are happy...and the ANC will showcase this so boldly "loook we are helping to poor" now the farm workers who is also uneducated, gets paid between R70 - R80, and most of them stay on the farms,or accommodation supplied by the needs R150 a day.... I know a lot of educated people who went to tech / university who cant even get a job!!! and where 45% of the farms turn over goes to wadges, no think of all the other cost involved running the operation... so how is it possible to get that type of wadges... look at how many active farms that produced food for the country there where 20years ago, and how many today.... look at Zim it use to be the bread basket of Africa, and now the people are starving... how long will it be until the last farmers give up!!! who is going to feed the country??? the ANC??? and who is going to pay them they R150 a day.... you cant fight this primitive mindset !!!

  • jabumokoena.c.7 - 2012-11-15 14:54

    Leave Zille alone. Ntl.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-11-15 14:55

    All you idiots now want centre stage. Prior to the uprising, NO ONE, cared or invistigated the plight of the workers.18 years into democracy, what has the government done to address the situation of the poor - NOTHING. Enriching themselves was ALL that mattered, especially at the expense of the people who are ensuring that the wheels turn.Unfortunately the oppressed will still vote for the corrupt.I must concede that their seems to be a shift in the thinking of the people, the next elections should be interesting.

  • herbert.plessis - 2012-11-15 14:55

    Typical Zuma response, so looking forward to getting rid of him. These kind of stupid repsonses makes the ANC look bad.

  • warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 14:55

    Why, because the president is refusing responsibility?

  • Gert van Coller - 2012-11-15 14:56

    Apparently the dear Prez still doesn't know that your response says more about you than the message you're trying to convey. Once again he is demonstrating that he's incapable of providing leadership, and that he would rather let the country burn down if he can nail the DA in the process.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-11-15 14:57

    why is it that Obama can speak for himself, but every ANC coward has a spokesperson ?????? the ANC are a bunch of f'ing useless incompetent gutless spineless cowards. anyone who thinks they have the answers is a f'ing idiot.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-11-15 15:01

    Now why did we expect the presidency to say this, because they are just too busy rallying around zoom zoom. It is well known that the respective arrogant ministers will not even give her the time of day. These arrogant useless ministers will tell her to take her flea infested body out of their office. Respect, Zille for seeking help, she is not too proud to seek advice and help, what do we ever get out of Government a load of arrogance, denial, and lies lies lies. The buck being passed as usual.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 15:25

      nduduzo.zulu.73. On the contrary, 100% true and factual. One doesn't require any "reasoning capacity" at all to see this. So then one is left wondering why the hell you would challenge such a comment. Low IQ? Blind loyalty? Or just your average garden variety moron. Probably all of the above.

      J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-11-15 15:28

      As a Provincial Premier on a matter of national interest she is obliged to approach the President first so that the correct Ministers are briefed by him and the obligation and responsibility is traced from the top down. The President's response is incorrect.

      selwyn.lloyd.37 - 2012-11-15 17:38

      @N-DUD-UZO.ZULU, care what you say here, hey guys check DUDS page out, he is condemning everyone opposed to Zuma, make your comments here!/pages/Afritravel-events/454922594558690?fref=ts

  • matsutle.aphane - 2012-11-15 15:07

    Zuma must think about poor people first,,!

      sarecen.smith - 2012-11-15 15:39

      agreed and stop spending money on fancy housing for himself.

  • vukani.biyase - 2012-11-15 15:10


  • craig.hopkins.376 - 2012-11-15 15:11

    JZ must piss of back to the mud hit he emerged from. SA don't need him, his corruption & incompetence

  • matsutle.aphane - 2012-11-15 15:17

    this realy shows us the true colours of our president,he does not care about his people true,,,,!

  • sachasea - 2012-11-15 15:19

    Lame duck president goes quack quack quack

  • rob.thompsett.9 - 2012-11-15 15:26

    Go to Google and type Zuma is a

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-15 15:42

    the funny in this argument is that Zuma is going to get a second term and those who hate him will have to endure him for a long time.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:25

      You're right, it's so funny. I laugh my A$$ off every day at how funny it is to see him lead the country down the toilet, and all you idiots supporting him while steals from you. It is really funny.

  • coenraad.vaneeden.5 - 2012-11-15 15:42

    The country is going down fast nobody can stop it Toooooooo late it will only get stripped and left with hungry dying people

  • allan.keyzer - 2012-11-15 15:49

    Mr Maharaj the Minister of Agriculture has told the strikers she is going to discuss their plight with Mr Zuma. So obviously the line manager or minister feels she is not capable or the task is to big for her so she has to refer it to the president. Why tell Mrs Zille to work with the ministers directly when they either absent or do not feel capable? As spin doctor you need to give some credible comment but we all know you are not capable of doing this either. Cadre deployment really working for the ANC and South Africa?

  • steven.macheke - 2012-11-15 15:49

    She wants special preference from president

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-15 18:51

      thats true Steve, at first she tried to visit the president at his home in Nkandla, she was blocked by the ANC members and as such she didn't see him, now she is calling the president to go to her province, wow this lady is serious. i wonder how her husband must be feeling now since all the attention is on Zuma. i think even in bed she sometimes forgets and call Zumas name. oh Jacob oh Jacob

  • rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-15 15:49

    Yes Mac - during the late 80's early 90's you reported to Zuma as head of ANC Intelligence (uhmmm) and you were tasked with Disinformation e.g. you must spread lies within to further the cause in your training (read torture) camps in Zambia. And you dealt with "dissidents" in your own way. Today, more than 20 years later, you are reporting to the same person and doing exactly the same: spreading disinformation! What is the best way to take focus of Zuma and his corrupt and incompetent dealings? You shift focus to labour unrest (mines, agriculture, Marikana commission) which the ANC start (majority of strikers are unemployed and easy to "convince" just like you "convinced" them to stay in the camps!). Throw in a SAPS shooting incident or 2 (bound to happens when you are full of muti and throwing rocks at gun-carrying policemen) and this creates "news" and turns the focus away from ANC infighting and pathetic service delivery. And non-delivery of textbooks and implementation of corrupt e-tolls. Meanwhile the farmers are merely paying what YOU made Law!! Clever. Zuma was never the brains behind "Intelligence" and neither is he the brains behind the Prez - this is YOUR role (together with the Shaik's money of course who was part and parcel of your "elite group" in the 80/90's).

  • lungie.dube.3 - 2012-11-15 15:57

    No, relax people,,,Zille wants Zuma to fire all the ministers, unions as well as the CCMA and take all their responsibilities,,,Y always when there r labour disputes the DA and others demand the president to solve the matters? Come on people, we study economics everyday,,,we know who should be responsible for wat,,,that's y we don't have a problem with our president, unless u r under the influence of a certain political party,,,The ministers must report to the work progress to the president and say if they cannot solve some problems where they need the president's intervention,,,Intervention of the president will be undermining the people responsible,,,I'm not saying this to support Zuma, but any president of the country,,,whether they r from any other political party,,,it doesn't matter

  • thembalethu.kantoyanto - 2012-11-15 15:58

    Guys there's always reporting lines and Zille mst follow the correct protocol and stop jumping to the JZ, bcoz there are relevant Ministers to address the issue concerned.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:27

      No there isn't, they're all just as useless as shower head.

      lungie.dube.3 - 2012-11-15 16:37

      @Pudding just like ur response is useless

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:49

      A response can't be useful or useless, it's just a response. Talking about useless.........

  • imoukangwe - 2012-11-15 16:21

    I agree , workers must join trade unions ! Otherwise their employers will always take advantage ! Government's job is to protect both the workers and the employers ! Even if government set the expected wage , employers might not implement . That's the job of the unions to fight for workers' rights not the government , government might seem to take sides !!! I agree with Zuma on this matter !

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:27

      Yes that figures. Reading your comment, I wouldn't expect anything else.

  • imoukangwe - 2012-11-15 16:26

    Even unions don't order the employers , they just negotiate ! They don't run the country ! Even if they negotiate they look at other factors like production costs , profit , working hours , benefits etc ! Whatever salary they negotiate it must be sustainable and not hurt the production ! Government's job is to monitor and make sure none of the parties is oppressed and to facilitate !!!

  • matusowsky - 2012-11-15 16:40

    All thos beaurocracy (spelling?) that the ANC insists on then doing nothing anyway is plain ridiculous.

  • Dogmaticmad - 2012-11-15 16:46

    Mac-you-rash the ministers must work with the Premier not the other way around samousa!!

  • carl.h.witte - 2012-11-15 17:11

    With all the money mac has stolen from the tax payers he could afford some decent dentures dont you think?

  • albert.valpre - 2012-11-15 17:38

    at never stop to amaze me,how all these ANC supporters have so much Blind loyalty!!! it's like they have no brain of their own(fact) I can put money on this... if they ANC comes to them and start the meeting yes comrade...comrade... burn your house, give me all your money my SH*T comrade its what the ANC wants comrade... AMAAAAANDLA and I am telling you they will do it with a singing and drumming...with machetes and spears....AMAAAAANDLA so how can you try and show these people what is busy happening... I think it would take another 2000 years of evolution to fix it....if they dont kill them self

      albert.valpre - 2012-11-15 17:44

      PLEASE DONT GET ME WRONG!!! iam not saying all black people...I am not saying this country should have a white president...just at least put people in power with a IQ over 40...I know a few clever black people...

  • henk.tredoux.7 - 2012-11-15 17:47

    Old Mac! Shut the hell up and stop waffling. She is getting the job done! The incompetent ANC bunch will try every trick in the book to undermine her and to put her in a bad light! Let the so called Ministers work like she does! They just getting fatter and more useless!!

  • Fox Trixter - 2012-11-15 18:09

    although I have some problems with Zuma, he is correct in cutting the madam to size! she thinks whenever she farts the president must jump! mxm. bloody agent

  • braamc - 2012-11-15 18:12

    The nothing Tony Ehrenreich had something to say and for the rest of the cANCer goverment, lack of leadership as usual.

  • KennySven - 2012-11-15 18:24

    Mac Maharaj,Work with ministers? What drivel. What happened to the one on one debate Premier Zille wanted to have with the President. Can't he debate? or is Showerhead frightened/scared/terrified to debate with an educated little lady?

  • alaina.robbertse - 2012-11-15 18:32

    Mac.Before you say something next time,go and wash your mouth first in your toilet.Just hope it is clean.hahahaha

  • quarty.vanzyl - 2012-11-16 07:50

    Helen Zille is not an cANCer member and can thus communicate with whom she prefers.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-11-16 09:22

    How does one work with incompetant people, mac? As usual you are always passing the buck.Instead of solving a problem, you and your cadres bury your hrads in the sand.Had government done what any HONEST government aught to be doing, South Africa would not be in this situation.