Zuma: Less land for foreign hands

2011-01-08 19:24

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma on Saturday said land owned by foreigners might be restricted in a bid to revive lagging reforms to transfer land to the black majority.

Zuma was speaking at the ANC's 99th anniversary in Polokwane in an address that also stressed economic transformation and more jobs ahead of local elections later this year.

"In order to have more land available for land reform and restitution, government is looking at three forms of land holding," he said.

"These are state land that can only be held through leasehold, freehold with limited extent on private land, and foreigners will be allowed to lease land but ownership will revert to South Africans."

South Africa plans to overhaul its underperforming reforms, that once aimed to transfer 30% of land held by whites during apartheid to blacks by 2014, but new legislation has been repeatedly delayed.

"Restoration of the land to the people has always been an integral part of the struggle for freedom," Zuma told delegates at the conference.

"Land reform will now be based on the de-racialisation of the rural economy."

More promises

Zuma, whose party faces pressures over rampant joblessness and service delivery, said economic transformation was key for the benefits of democracy to be shared and for job creation.

"Political emancipation without economic transformation is meaningless," he said, saying the wealth of the country should be shared by all.

Tasked with fighting an official jobless rate of 25.2%, which unofficial figures put at above 40%, Zuma said black South Africans were most affected by widening poverty and inequality, he said.

"2011 will be the year of job creation through meaningful economic transformation," he said in the party's annual statement.

"We still have unacceptable high levels of poverty and inequality."

Zuma also unveiled new education financing for needy students in their final year of university which will convert to a full bursary if they graduate.

  • Hermann - 2011-01-08 19:37

    To dream , the impossible dream.

      Doug - 2011-01-08 20:42

      Oh well put.

      Emigrate - 2011-01-08 22:25

      And so it begins! Where will this land reform lead?

      franssmith100 - 2011-01-10 01:04

      100% bud - the funny thing is they know it, so make promises to stay in power for as long as they can, so that they can line the pockets

  • Wonderboy - 2011-01-08 19:51

    On Yahoo news it is mentioned that 30% of the land once owned by whites was earmarked for black ownership. Does anyone know how much of South Africa was under black ownership and how much was owned by the state? I am thinking about the surface area of the previous homelands. How much of SA is arid and how much is mountains/unproductive? Just wondering, to get a better perspective.

      Schmalcolm - 2011-01-08 21:59

      Go to the Apartheid Museum in Joburg, you can get this info and MUCH more...

  • GT - 2011-01-08 19:52

    giving land is one thing, keeping it productive is something completely different. Land reform too often means someone getting a decent bit of land where they grow and few mielies and have some cows, leaving the rest idle.

      Emigrate - 2011-01-08 22:29

      Look what happened to Zimbabwe, they where really productive with the farm land given away, the country is now one of the economic powerhouses of Africa because of this! Their currency is so strong, people are flocking to get in and be a part of it!

      Emigrate - 2011-01-08 22:31

      Just in case someone took me seriously, not uncommon on this forum, the last comment of mine was sarcasm.

      jean.dutoit - 2011-01-10 07:32

      @Emigrate - Your sarcasm has been duly noted.

  • Zinki - 2011-01-08 20:09

    You just need to look at the homelands today, i.e. the Ciskei and Transkei etc. They are places of starvation. The grannies and their grandchildren are left on the land while the adults go to the big cities to work. They only come home once a year. They are a shambles. It was never a success. How can giving them all a piece of land work. Surely they can see what happened to these homelands and use that as an example of what NOT to do with land?

      Schmalcolm - 2011-01-08 22:04

      These are homelands designated during Apartheid. When you say "They are a shambles. It was never a success". What do you mean?

      Emigrate - 2011-01-08 22:34

      @Schmalcolm: Definition of shambles; a condition of great disorder. An example of this: Most African countries.

      Zinki - 2011-01-09 06:38

      @Schmalcolm, by shambles I mean people (the masses) were put onto very productive farms and a lot of these farms turned into squatter camps. Everyone had a piece of land but one or two cows/goats/sheep and no work anywhere nearby. Large agricultural projects were started but the people were too lazy to run them properly so they failed completely. No food grown. I am speaking from experience. We owned such a farm. It was in our family for 6 generations! Now nothing exists of it. Just one enormous squatter camp and all the productive adults living in large cities because of no work. I speak about the old Ciskei from firsthand experience. It's a total shambles.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-01-09 15:45

      Yes Zinki. To be a commercial farmer requires interest/expertise in Economics, Climatology, Biology, etc, a willingness to take risk... and more importantly... working together. It is clear these people do not want commercialization of their land... they would rather subsist... and there is nothing wrong with that... but then they have to let go of their dreams of nice cars and other bling. Its either one or the other. Not both. Cos when you have both.. you see what you see in Nigeria: An S500 Mercedes driving down a potholed road dodging chickens and people.

  • burtfred - 2011-01-08 20:17

    What on earth does Zooms know about matters economic? He surrounds himself with communist and socialist pals. He is President because he is such a nice guy, everybody's friend, but if you shake his hand, count your fingers afterwards. Just like Clinton. Just like Obama. SA has rampant unemployment due to a number of factors: BEE - Entrepreneurs don't need a politician to tell them what colour their staff should be. LABOUR ACT - Why employ people if it is so difficult to fire them for underperformance? MALEMA - Every time he talks of nationalization, more people become unemployed. No smart capitalist is going to waste money on a business that might be taken over by the state. The solution to SA's unemployment will not come from the liberation movement, the ANC. They are part of the problem. Vote them out, there are better options to run the country than the bunch of thieves who are currently the "government"

      Doug - 2011-01-08 20:47

      Reply to burtfred. Well put sir.

  • GhengisKhan - 2011-01-08 20:20

    South Africa`s economy is dependent on foreign investments - This is caused by our low productivity rate. By pissing of foreign investments we are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Our current politicians are so self cantered and economically uninformed and stupid that they will kill the country`s economy in exchange for self enrichment

      WhiteLight - 2011-01-08 21:02

      Hey oak, That other one whose knuckles are dragging on the ground - shouting from the deepest darkest hole in the planet - Mugabe could not figure it out and he has more brains than the entire ANC government (he was educated by the white man in South Africa). How do you think this lot that are still stuck in the stone age are going to figure it out?

      emile.marais - 2011-01-09 00:07

      Just to note, I'm not against transformation of the agricultural sector but the political mindset of land in South Africa, it's ownership and those who 'lead' us will inevitably lead to a sad end for anyone involved who didn't make a profit out of said land.

  • zpm5402 - 2011-01-08 20:30

    Once there was a president called Zuma........ He talked a lot and achieved nothing..... He had a pet called Malema and together they love to dream and create fear amongst their people and do nothing else but talk a lot of rubbish. Up till today they are still dreaming......and talking....and....dreaming The majority of the presidents goverment and politicians are still corrupt and yet they do nothing. The countries infrastructure are fauling apart and yet they do nothing..... and so we all lived un-happily ever after.....

  • Lawrence - 2011-01-08 20:54

    go for it zuma away foreign investment...typical african mind set ... can you not see restricting land purchases by foreigners is a no go area...when african come to the western world ae they told no you cannot buy it????? its about money..nothing else..the masses...what a lot of to any educated black university students and see if they support your maxist suggestions ...wake up man! to the masses..stop this "i demand" stop your lazyiness and work ,show patriotism towards your country...the world will leave you behind and believe me ,they dont give a damn about africa,everybody just says what is politically correct...LEARN FROM ZIMBABWE.

      Emigrate - 2011-01-08 22:36


      Zinki - 2011-01-09 06:44

      Look at the farms that were bought by the government in recent years for the disadvantaged farmers. Many of those farms have been sold back to the whites. Those that are still in the hands of the masses are not producing anything. The government recently came to visit such farms in our area and found a lot of the land owners were not even living on the farms but in town where there are jobs. They told those people they would chase them off and give it to people that wanted to farm. Basically, modern masses don't WANT to go and live out in the sticks. They want to be in town/townships where the action is. It's the likes of the ANC that are stirring and using land grabs to get votes for the next election...

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-01-09 15:47

      yup. Success and Excelence is earned over a lifetime of HARD work... not given on platter of "disadvantage"

  • Mundu - 2011-01-08 21:07

    Transformation?????, transformation to what??....a state like Zim, or better still Sudan? Zuma you need to get your head out of your ass. SA is for all South Africans not just the "majority".

      Emigrate - 2011-01-08 22:37

      Another word for it: Racism!

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-01-09 15:48

      YEBO! All we need is capitalism. Those who work hard succeed. Those who are lazy dont. Simple as that. It works like this all over the world.

      Gazza Boy - 2011-01-10 08:42

      Well said, I agree.

  • Warren - 2011-01-08 21:14

    Welcome to South Zimbabwe.

  • immelmap - 2011-01-08 21:31

    In AMERICA the blacks live like kings,Stuff their face with pizza an KFC untill they can barely walk.They are not restrictead to anything Here this common Crook Zuma wants to turn SA into a Zim.Please enrol in a model C school and start in grade 3 where you failed.One of these days illegal immigrants that is blacks will squat on half of the country.You racist why do you not say whites instead of foreigners.

  • qwaqwa - 2011-01-08 21:59

    Why is it that the " rainbow reconciliation" appears to be only one sided ?

  • Schmalcolm - 2011-01-08 22:16

    Att: Doomsayers Firstly, we dont have an elderly Dictator with Syphilis Secondly, we have a Constitution that's admired worldwide. Changes are inevitable. In due course, let's encourage the best course...

      marlena - 2011-01-08 23:06

      A Constitution admired worldwide ?? That's rather a strange one that ---- puleeese tell me more ! Is it archived, or in daily use. Some input would be most appreciated. Thanks !

      burtfred - 2011-01-09 09:29

      @Schmalcolm Our constitution is admired worldwide by people who don't have to live under our crooked government. The constitution is regularly ignored by the ANC. They only comply with the bits that suit their racist, hegemonistic agenda. For example, our constitution says: With respect to UNFAIR DISCRIMINATION solely on the grounds of race, colour, ethnic or social origin, sex religion or language. This fabulous constitution allows for FAIR DISCRIMINATION, which to the ANC and other black organizations means it is OK to discriminate against previously advantaged, ie, whites. The constitution guarantees freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the right to a passport, the right to privacy, the right not to have your home searched, the right not to have your possessions seized, the right to an environment that is not harmful to their health or well-being; and to have the environment protected by legislation. "Property may be expropriated only in terms of law of general application for a public purpose or in the public interest" Apparently the ANC don't think that "white" farmers are in the public interest. Many of these constitutional provisions have been trampled by the ANC. Around the world, constitutions mean little to political parties that have too much power. Britain has no constitution, they rely on convention. in the UK, if a politician screws up, he gets removed from office. Unlike here, where they get often promoted.

      Kyle_logan - 2011-01-10 08:54

      @Schmalcolm - your short sightedness is laughable... remmeber Zim was doing very well soon after Bob took over... it's when his blackness came into full swing that things went down him... we can see the same things happening here now especially when idiots like Malema talk. Constitution is only as good as the goverment thats running it... we have a goverment full of corruption and criminals.... how long do you think that constituation is going to work?

  • josepheveleigh - 2011-01-08 22:33

    I am all for local land ownership. Currently we need to compete with foreigners for land in our own country - and they have the exchange rate advantage.

      Kyle_logan - 2011-01-10 08:55

      yes if the locals know how to work the land fine.... but look at all the farms that have gone barron because they have been given to lazy idiots!

  • emile.marais - 2011-01-08 23:57

    Yes Jacob, this is nothing new. Land allocation, job creation, transformation and other indoctrinations... point is will you, the ANC, be able to pull any of this off in a realistic timeframe and do it legally and ethically? No? Didn't think so. There are future elections to win! Julius just has to be the next President! Phatt stuff ma bru! There's also that little worry that when all the commercial agricultural lands have been 'transformed (as in ANC speak)' so land does not land in the hands of foreigners and other pesky whites but in the hands of a few well connected individuals (Zimbabwe anyone?). Better start getting used to going hungry or being a wage slave to buy your daily bread because these kleptocrats are getting restless.

      Warren - 2011-01-09 00:20

      There are about 20,000 farms in SA. Even if you say there are 40,000 farms and start dividing them in parcels, there is not nearly enough land for 40 or 50 million people. So, the farms are given to a few of the well connected, who don't know how to farm or have no interest in farming. We know how this movie ends: a life of poverty for all.

      emile.marais - 2011-01-09 02:20

      Fully agree with you Warren. Unfortunately those who wield political power in this country simply do not, or refuse to get this. Sigh, simetimes I think the Human Spiecies should just have sticked with hunter-gatherer societies then dabble with all these complications...

  • emile.marais - 2011-01-09 00:08

    Just to note, I'm not against transformation of the agricultural sector but the political mindset of land in South Africa, it's ownership and those who 'lead' us will inevitably lead to a sad end for anyone involved who didn't make a profit out of said land.

  • Christo - 2011-01-09 01:09

    Let me recap, We know that the ANC knows that only 15% of white people “stole” all the wealth of the county during Apartheid. We also know that they know that 90% of black people need to take back 30% of white owned land (wealth) from the 15% white land owners and we know that they know all they will end up doing is take 25% of wealth from the 85% whites who do not own land and are generally lower middle class. The 20% they steal from those whites who only own bonds they cannot afford will be ignored and the 5% that they will steal from the wealthy whites will be the 5% the wealthy whites don’t want in any event. The 5% they get will go to .009% of blacks that are “Nepotaters” (new word) who will probably end up selling the land they received at “market related price” to outlanders for 500% profit in any event. Therefore, we all know that it is just political racial hogwash that will swoop up 100’s of thousands of votes for the ANC and no one but 1% wealthy blacks will benefit from this speech. Dont you just love stats, politicians and gullible voters.

      Zinki - 2011-01-09 06:51

      The sad thing is most of the voters are extremely gullible. In our town anyone that wants an RDP house has to have an ANC card. How is that for getting supporters!

      Christo - 2011-01-09 10:19

      Zinki, that is a good example and there are many. As long as the race cards are played in politics and the white lower middle class is attacked by its own Government the racial divide will continue. To compare foreign land ownership with black vs white land reform and restitution only ads up to the creation of controversial and false political point scoring.I am not a doomsday prophet and believe all can change for the better in this country when good black leaders stand up and account and lead all race groups forward as one nation.

      franssmith100 - 2011-01-10 01:15

      the funny thing about a lot of those receiving rdp houses is that they rent it out and move back into the shack they came from, quit their jobs and live of the rent untill the rdp house (which is never maintained) is destroyed... Great isn't it?

  • Teresa - 2011-01-09 07:31

    Can the black man who doesn't want a hand out...but would rather work for what he has PLEASE STAND UP!

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-01-09 15:52

      I know plenty. I work with them every day. Unfortunately they are not interested in politics. And I dont blame them. Cause when the ship goes down, they will be sitting next to me on the first plane out.

      John Wilderness - 2011-01-10 07:41

      there have been millions standing up for that over the last three hundred years but many were ignored.

      100%DARKIE - 2011-01-10 07:53

      Im standing,tall and proud.I have a degree and a JOB to prove it!!!

  • Teresa - 2011-01-09 07:53

    I think many people of all ethnic groups in this country are very tired of the antics of this present goverment and most people are not stupid!..The ANC is using "election talk again to get the people to vote for them"...We as South Africans know (that's all of us) there is no other Afican country to run to if this one fails.....Let's rather talk to each other..advise and change "silly" mind sets and get the right people in goverment to serve the people of this amazing country.

  • Smooth Operator - 2011-01-09 08:44

    In all the Land the white man is KING while the black man licks his balls.,mugabe disliked the taste and stoped licking and the white man taught him and his people a lesson,zuma wants to stop licking but it seems most of the people love the taste of shit becauz of luxury.if you stand up to a bully they will be consequences but @ least you stood up to it..we must not be like sheep..but like wolves.there is no rainbow nation when 90% control is whites.

      Christo - 2011-01-09 10:38

      "if you stand up to a bully they will be consequences but @ least you stood up to it..we must not be like sheep..but like wolves.there is no rainbow nation when 90% control is" BLACKS, yes."Funny how we feel the same,there must be a problem with communication or propaganda somewhere.

      emile.marais - 2011-01-09 14:25

      Smooth Operator you are already being a sheep. That 90% wealth is propaganda and you fell for it hook, line and sinker... Pitty.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-01-09 15:57

      Yea.. you carry on licking balls while we invest in our future. Take it. Take it all... we will be resurgent and you will be cupping your hands at the next IMF meeting. You have had 16 years. And you shall have 16 more. And suffice to say... the "AFrican Dream" will never be reached because you cannot even put in the effort to pass Matric properly, never mind actually being productive in the 21st century. So go be cool like your big chiefs. Open your big mouths and talk your big talks. Fact of the matter is, Money talks.. and bullshit walks.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-01-09 16:01

      I LOVE MAKAYA NTINI! Why? Because he busted balls to get where he did. And never played the race card. Cool hey!

      velvetfish1 - 2011-01-09 18:42

      Land distribution based on race is a bad idea whatever its source. A better idea is for the government to buy at a market price land from owners willing to sell and then set up a program where the most interested and dedicated to its wise use will be given an opportunity to own the land as they show that they can make use of it to the betterment of society. I am a non-South African, but have visited SA several times and would very much like to live there. Indeed, while there I met a wonderful Kosa woman and we fell madly in love. Although I am from Mississippi and white and she is Kosa, it would be sad if I could not own land in South Africa for us to be together. Presently, I send her support, but as the Rand continues to strengthen my ability to help her is diminished. Consequently, I may have to try to bring her to America, where we have our own racial problems, in many ways much worse than in South Africa. I had hoped that I might be able to move to South Africa instead. It seems to me that South Africa needs to find a way for the poor to get help and to encourage behavior on the part of poor and wealthy alike that makes South Africa and the planet better for all rather than simply trying to draw people into political quarrels that provide gain for only a very few. With the climate changing as rapidly as it is, the need to use all arable land wisely becomes more and more important lest starvation and destitution rise to an even greater level.

      100%DARKIE - 2011-01-10 08:04

      K1dbl4ck,i pity you.You underestimate the black man.I love the looks i get from these oupas and oumas as i drive past them in my car.I can almost imagine them ask themselves"How the hell can a young k#$@er woman afford a car like that?"Its called hard work.Not all black people are stupid and lazy just as Not all white people are k#@$er bashers and addicted to child pornography.

      Gazza Boy - 2011-01-10 09:01

      100%darkie - you wouldn't know hard work if it kicked you in the face. Thanks for telling us that you are a female. Confirms my suspicions that you have no balls. Get that chip off your shoulder.

      Corry - 2011-01-10 10:34

      @ Gazza Boy, jeesh dude, when they don't work they're lazy, when they have worked hard they have probably stolen it. What fucked up logic is that? Your sort I laugh at because YOU sir, have the chip on your shoulder. Read 100%Darkie's whole post before commenting you ignaorant, mysoginistic racist fool. If the majority of the black population were like her the country would be awesome and you would probably be out a a job. 100%Darkie, I commend you and agree with you wholeheartedly. Keep up the good work and pay it forward.

      100%DARKIE - 2011-01-10 10:53

      So GAZZA boy,my crime is not only that I was born black but that I am also a female?Are you retarded?It was not my aim to suggest that I am superior in any way,my point was that ones skin colour does not determine their outlook on life.Im only 22 but I have achieved more than is expected of me,ASPIRATION."you wouldnt know hard work if it kicked you in the face..."you say,why would you assume that?Because your a bitter sexist racist moron!!! Thanx Corry!

  • emmamimie - 2011-01-10 10:15

    What is happening to all the land in the Transkei and Ciskei, why have they not given this land to black farmers to farm food for SA, why keep on taking away the farmland thats in the hand of the whites? The majority of our black people are to lazy , they want everything given to them on a platter. If the labour and Unions want to help the people, then start telling them to use their talents to help themselves, they all cannot sit behind a desk or be the next CEO of a company. Mr Zuma must realise that it takes 30 years from birth for any person to be in a stable lifestyle and our population at the moment does not have that, most of them like many of the whites are labour people, and thse people are the most important in a country, they are the builders, cleaners, gardeners etc. Every province should be told to get their house in order before the next elections. Giving black people free land is not going to stop poverty, its just going to encourage barren land al over this country, they will not farm unless it is all set up for them.

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