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Zuma: Marikana was not like apartheid

2012-11-01 15:25

Cape Town - People should not be pushed into thinking that South Africa was returning to an apartheid-like system following the Marikana shooting, President Jacob Zuma said on Thursday.

Speaking at the official opening of the National House of Traditional Leaders in Parliament, Zuma said incidents like Marikana were a daily occurrence before the democratic dispensation.

"People were being killed left, right and centre," he said.

Referring to the Farlam Commission, Zuma said the country was in the process of discovering the truth about what happened during the August police shooting in which 34 people died and 78 were wounded.

"Wherever it will point, we must know what happened. There was nothing of that nature during apartheid... if anything, there would have been a huge cover-up during apartheid times.

"South Africa is a democratic country, not an apartheid country, and one incident cannot mean our system is a system that is killing people," he said.

Go back to work - Zuma

The president repeated a call for striking miners to return to their posts.

"Let me take this opportunity to reiterate that violence and intimidation must come to an end in those areas where strikes are still continuing."

Zuma said there was no need to resort to "chaos and anarchy".

"We urge workers to return to work and use the constitutional mechanisms of conducting labour relations," he said.

Zuma reminded the house of a meeting he had with business, labour and civil society last month.

He said they had agreed to respond to the urgent needs of people in key mining towns.

"These include Rustenburg, Lephalale, Emalahleni, West Rand, Welkom, Klerksdorp and Carletonville."

Zuma's remarks came as a mine in northern KwaZulu-Natal suspended operations after two men were killed.

Miners have been on strike at the Magdalena coal mine since October 17.

Comments
  • junaid.vanderwalt - 2012-11-01 15:37

    You don't have balls Mr Shower, admit that Marikana was a massacre and the government has failed it's people under your leadership.

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-11-01 15:48

      'Massacre' is a rather sensationalist term to use when the miners deserved every bullet they got and more.

  • omrisho.za - 2012-11-01 15:38

    sounds like mr zeee is running scared

      Eterni80 - 2012-11-01 16:47

      absolute power addicts absolutely..

  • whatda.fuqbro - 2012-11-01 15:39

    Finally ol' Zum-Zum says something sensible.

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-01 16:24

      are you...are you dof?? he's using APARTHEID AGAIN as the f****g scapegoat because he couldnt resolve or diffuse the situation!! his own people who voted him got killed and he using a time that happened 18 years ago as that moral compass or lack there of as a curtain to get him off the hook!! HE'S SO PATHETIC ITS SICKENING >:(

  • mariuskowie - 2012-11-01 15:39

    Please have a look at this web site: http://www.thetruthaboutsouthafrica.com/p/how-many-blacks-were-killed-during.html Definitely not for the squeamish.

      Andrea - 2012-11-01 16:04

      thank you for that link.

      Andrea - 2012-11-01 16:07

      however I'm not sure the rest of the world will care enough to help, they didn't with Rhodesia/Zimbabwe or anywhere else in Africa.

      ahpretorius - 2012-11-01 16:34

      Andrea, Paul Harris told every South African abroad not to worry about South Africa...

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-01 18:18

      In Summary: The Apartheid government killed a maximum of 7518 black people during the 46 years of Apartheid. Thus white on black. The liberation movements were responsible for 13482 politically motivated killings. Thus black on black.

      george.gervais.7 - 2012-11-02 03:48

      @kabelo Hey wena racist, tula ok? Just shut the hell up. Crime? What a joke? How do you make it from sunrise to sunset without your brain shutting down and you dying from asphyxiation? The liberals came to your aid and now South Africa is yours. Just sit back and shut your racist mouth. The facts are there for the world to see, you tell me you blind little racist how shooting a baby in the back of the head is crime? How hacking a young girl to pieces is crime, how torturing a defenseless 70 year old woman with boiling water and an iron is crime? Of course it's racially motivated, it's racist little cowards who attack the old and helpless then walk and boast like they're some kind of hero. Some of these same filthy racists were present at Marikana where they thought they could try these same antics against armed men. End result? They fled like cowards soon as the shooting started. You think because black on black crime has been rampant since day 1 the whites of South Africa are going to sit idly by and accept it? Apartheid is dead and gone, this is now a black apartheid South Africa, and I expect to see human rights activists beating at the UN's door for sanctions against the racist ANC government. And yet nothing is happening? I wonder why? One very intelligent question should be, why was everyone so opposed to white apartheid, yet black apartheid and white genocide in South Africa is ok... George Bizos hasnt said a word on white farm murders to date. Its a joke!

      tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-11-02 14:07

      kabelo - murders by one race on another expressed as a percentagge of their total population. Then you see a glaring trend . Apartheid played a part, but the black man today really has to look to himself to apportion blame for the entire race's failure across the continent. Until you start acknowledging that black people are not infallible and recognise your own faults, you'll be doomed to repeat them and remain in your black hell ad infinitum. shifting blame and tearing other races down will not lift you up. Blacks were not the only group on the planet to ever have been oppressed just the only ones to look for every excuse under the sun for not get on with things once liberated. In contrast to your assertions, I contest White folk along with other minorities are in fact the chief contributors to SA society (think tax, think productivity, think charity, the BEE handouts, think AA and BEE, concessions that advantage blacks in all manner of ways that we have to just accept (bursaries, entrance requirements, govt grants etc)). Blacks have been in power for almost two decades, you have the vast majority all the above mentioned and the power house of africa handed to you on a silver platter...what have you achieved? sweet blow all, thats what. If anything we've gone backward as a country. get a grip dude, honestly, is your race so weak?

  • kala.bafazi - 2012-11-01 15:42

    1- What is the point of the Farlam commission. The strikers, armed with an assortment of weapons, attacked the police who retaliated with weapons of their own, albeit with more efficient weapons. 2- What value do the widows of the slain miners add to the commission and why do we have to pay for them to be there? 3- Why are the miners being made to be the victims here and not the Mines who are losing millions each day which in turn jeopardises every single one in this country.

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-11-01 15:42

    "South Africa is a democratic country, not an apartheid country, and one incident cannot mean our system is a system that is killing people," he said. It is only run like a democratic country when the ANC feels like it!

      Eterni80 - 2012-11-01 16:49

      you are so right, there is no such thing as 'limited' democracy.. soon it'll be a chinese sponsored dictatorship..

  • lekkeperd.chevyss - 2012-11-01 15:47

    Geez, Showerhead, did u woke up now? Why all the comments all of a sudden? O Yes you need points before the erection... I Mean Election..

      lekkeperd.chevyss - 2012-11-01 17:49

      Looking at your name and picture he's 100% your Father

  • Andrea - 2012-11-01 15:48

    This article sounds a lot like the one before, just changed a few words here and there. Maybe Zoemer forgot he already gave this speach earlier? Again, I see lips move, I hear something noisy ... must still be that cracked vinyl.

  • brian.ocinneide.7 - 2012-11-01 15:51

    Marikana is reminiscent of Sharpville. A few days before Marikana two policemen were hacked to death by the strikers. Two weeks before Sharpville nine policemen were hacked to death in Cato Manor, Durban. As a result the police appear to have panicked at both Marikana and Sharpville when faced by a mob. Yet the World went wild about the one but not the other.

      Jack - 2012-11-01 15:56

      Interesting. Never knew about the attacks before Sharpville. Why does the cANCer society never mention them? Marikana was infinitely worse than Sharpville. It has exposed to the average black what their government is really all about. Have they got eyes to see and ears to hear and the inclination to vote for DA?

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-11-01 15:51

    Police shooting randomly at protesters! Very similar to apartheid. I lived in both eras I know.

      heini.botes - 2012-11-01 16:18

      @sefako.....funny, the 3 videos I saw showed miners hiding behind a vehicle before running towards the police with weapons, then only did the police open fire. Or did you forget these 'angel'(sic) miners killed 10 people before?? F*ck those miners, they got what they deserved

      victor.peachey.1 - 2012-11-01 17:09

      How stupid can you be you attack an armed policeman with an assegai! Then you cry foul when you get shot.

  • JManAtheoi - 2012-11-01 15:56

    "Let me take this opportunity to reiterate that violence and intimidation must come to an end..{...}.. " - or what? You talk too much.

  • steph.reinstein - 2012-11-01 15:59

    "Go back to work - Zuma" should read Go back to work, Zuma"

  • stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-01 16:00

    "Zuma said incidents like Marikana were a daily occurrence before the democratic dispensation. People were being killed left, right and centre" - I hope someone takes the liar to court for this! "The Apartheid government killed a maximum of 7518 black people during the 46 years of Apartheid". Source: Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

      pieter.calitz - 2012-11-01 16:58

      Zuma says they are lying. He said killing 34 people was a daily occurrence. They must change the figures to 570 860. (34*365*46). The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was an Apartheid commission set up by the turd force.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-02 09:38

      No, it was only 3 people per day. One left, one right, and one centre.

  • john.ntlatseng - 2012-11-01 16:01

    Workers are always urged to return to work, after returning.....Nobody is there to ensure that their concerns are taken into account..when they r frutrated again they respond furiously....WHAT TYPE OF NATION ARE WE TRYING TO BUILD....

  • derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-11-01 16:02

    Police killing protestors sounds exactly like apartheid to me. Nothing has changed, the police are now hated as much as they were then.

  • funiabsalomndala.funi - 2012-11-01 16:04

    Zuma are you coming from shower hahaha!!!head its still Hot?

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-01 16:04

    Doesn't each one of these miners deserve their "entitled" tribal nkandla honey pot too? from tax payers funds or has the anc and BEE and YL nyda exhalted commissions priced itself out of the market?

  • jacobs.clint - 2012-11-01 16:09

    Nope it wasn't like apartheid ...it was APARTHEID!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just like all your other policies AA,EE,BEE etc.

  • aspruyt - 2012-11-01 16:12

    Pathetic so called President.

  • thifulufhelwi.masala - 2012-11-01 16:12

    Its not apartheid its wat madala? Or we mst call it zumafobia.

  • zakazarurwa.vuma - 2012-11-01 16:16

    it is democratic country to those who are getting fat chek from ANC and tenders of millions but not in citizens,yo gorvement killed our people zuma,some kidz will grow without their father because of marikana under your leadership,how do you feel as leader,mind you you need this people more than they need you,you are what you are because of their vote,if it wasn't so you went nothing you must bare that in mind,thats the problem with ANC people including you mr president you think you better and everything you blame aphartheid,what we see dairly it is better than aphartheid you better change before is too late,if you saying mine workers must go back to work did they gave to them what they want,or you want the to work so that yo niece will get fat and fater with their sweat,we tired of this rulling party and its leadership more of all we tired of you mr president,what you care about is nkandla and your family is you were elected for to take side time will come enough will be enough

      heini.botes - 2012-11-01 16:20

      We will see in 2014 how tired you really are of the ruling party! Chances are it's another 60%+ victory for the cANCer

  • gary.desousa.7 - 2012-11-01 16:17

    Excuse me,who was been pushed into thinking it is apartheid besides in your warped mind. People were been killed left ,right and centre, yes by a certain group of terrorists, sorry freedom fighters, no sorry terrorists. Huge cover ups like your house building? South Africa is a democratic country like the protection of information act? No better than the last goverment

  • mzoxolo.khaba - 2012-11-01 16:20

    Zuma is a watch for de foreign capitalist, hw do go bck to union leaders who are on de payroll of de mine management nd ANC top six nd his children nd nephews.

  • bcluley - 2012-11-01 16:20

    It is the uprising of apartheid again as the people that were shot at marikana were uprising against the unequal distribution of funds and in standing up for justice they were met with the corrupt lead of the goverment.

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-11-01 16:33

      Unequal distribution of funds? So you're implying that an illiterate, uneducated mines who does a simple job and is incredibly easy to replace should be paid a similar salary as a highly educated, highly experienced director who is incredibly difficult to replace? I don't think you understand how the labour market works.

      alastair.newman.52 - 2012-11-05 13:26

      @whatda.fuqbro I'm surprised that you, plainly not literate, highly educated or highly experienced, (plainly you perform a simple job) even has the capacity to write ANYTHING down. Particularly the cr@p you've just written. Thankfully, you are very easy to replace!

  • mzoxolo.khaba - 2012-11-01 16:21

    Zuma is a watch for de foreign capitalist, hw do go bck to union leaders who are on de payroll of de mine management nd ANC top six nd his children nd nephews.

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-11-01 16:34

      English, mofo - do you speak it?

  • alaina.robbertse - 2012-11-01 16:24

    Zuma.You talk too much nonsense and you don't do your job.You don't know your job.Everybody can see it.

  • dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-11-01 16:25

    The police at Marikana and Sharpville did the right thing and stood their ground against barbarian scum. They deserved each and every bullet. The only thing is that in Sharpville it was white policemen shooting the black hooligans.The whole world had something to say about that. But at Marikana it was black police that shot black protesters. And may I add it was an illigal strike. And now this is concidered normal in SA. The world is all quiet now. Bunch of hipocrytes! This sickens me to the core of my being.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-11-01 16:50

      @khethu.ndlovu.3 ~ I don't think that amongst humans, one can get lower or more vile than you.

      dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-11-01 16:54

      Khetu I wasn't being racist! I won't black and white to work together. You are blinded by your hatred for us whites. We didn't steal anything from you. I want each and every person prosper in our country which is SA. My heart is bleeding for each and every South African that is suffering. Black,White, coloured, Indian, Chinese it doesn't matter to me. I'm against rape,corruption,murder etc. I just want to live a safe and peaceful life. Is it so wrong to ask for just that?

      andrew.prinsloo - 2012-11-01 17:07

      khetu, you're a sick, sick creature.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-11-01 18:52

      dewaldt you are either not human or you have connection with the satanic world. I do not like the way whites in South Africa treat black people but I do not wish death upon them. Sharpeville protesters were protesting against dom pass and Marikana protesters were protesting for a living wage. If you have a heart, please have it checked for factory faults.

      dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-11-01 21:06

      Sefako don't blame me. Yes the miners are suffering I understand that. But why must they act so barbaric killing innocent people? If you want to blame someone blame your ANC government not our Whites. I wish I could help each and everyone in this country. I'm not rich at all I'm 20 years old studying at Unisa for accounting. And I work for R3000 a month. And you don't see me striking. And to answer your question, yeah I do have a heart.

      alastair.newman.52 - 2012-11-05 13:33

      @dewaldt.duplessis.5 Hypocritical is to call people barbarian scum, deserving of bullets etc. What you're actually saying is: I'm an animal lover, but I'm prepared to smash a puppies head-in if it doesn't do what it's told!

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-01 16:25

    Under apartheid Zuma was dumb, under democracy Zuma is dumb - it is a daily occurrence.

  • patsy.smith.125 - 2012-11-01 16:28

    PLEASE JZ Take off your blinkers. Stop trying to bluff yourself - and others. It is totally obvious to all THINKING people (Those with the brains to think) that this country is in a state of chaos all due to the inept leadership of the ANC. Their racism is worse than the previous 'regime'. They will sacrifice anyone and anything to try to show how clever they are. All they ARE doing is showing themselves up to be the idiots they are. We are the laughing stock of the entire world.

  • TheSingingHorse - 2012-11-01 16:28

    Now the president is telling what I should think.!! When is enough enough ?

  • wally.williams.148 - 2012-11-01 16:29

    Mr Pres, be honest with the ppl of this country...the shooting WAS the cover up...or so you and those involved believes. And who knows, it may still be. The truth about what caused this cannot be allowed to be revealed. High ranking ANC politicians will fry in their own fat if the truth be told. Let the miners be told who really own the mining companies, who really capitalises from the mines, where their salaries go to - the part they do not see! Tell them why suddenly there was no involvement by NUM and in fact conflict between the two factions. Let Mr Ramaphosa speak out and tell the truth. Ask Mr Sexwale. Let your own son and others come forward with the truth. Many very bad things happened during apartheid, things that horrifies me when I learn about them; however, the principle of Marikana and Langa, e.g., on face-value seems fairly even. Where were ppl killed left/right/centre, Mr Pres? That is the propaganda being fed to the illiterate masses. More died in fights between UWS and APLA than any where else. Many were killed in the name of the so-called struggle. Need I remind you of Ponana Tini and others? Burnt alive, hit with huge rocks, flesh eaten...! Stop pointing fingers and help heal this land. Why waste money on a Commission when the truth is in your hands so to speak? just asking.

  • Freddy Bester - 2012-11-01 16:29

    Sharpville 60's: protest, police respond with arms - racism. Marikana 2012: protest, police respond with arms - self defence. yes Mr President you are repeating history.

  • jy.wilmos - 2012-11-01 16:33

    Dear President Zuma, Save South Africa R20B over the next three years: resign. Yours faithfully, Jy

  • louis.hager.12 - 2012-11-01 16:34

    No you nut-case Marikana is a result of South Africa being pushed in that direction PRIOR to Lonmin.

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-01 16:37

    Bafoon!..........

  • firstseed.mbeva - 2012-11-01 16:38

    The same difference

  • terry.brauckmann - 2012-11-01 16:40

    ZOOMER is the biggest racist of all! HE is the single biggest reason for the racialtention in this country! He hides behind 18+ year old history to cover up his total inability to run this country! I concede that many of the policies of the white apartheid goverment was wrong...BUT at least the criminals were effectively dealt with, for example. I will bet my bottom dollar that more whites have been murdered in the last 18 years of freedom than blacks were killed under the so called oppression of the whites during the last 18 years of apartheid! Come on NEWS 24.... Do a survey on this topic!

      tuwanir - 2012-11-01 18:00

      Balderdash! Does your claim also include the massacre of school children in 1976. You're suffering from amnesia.

      terry.brauckmann - 2012-11-01 21:32

      176 people were killed during the uprising you are refferring to! Howe many farmers have been murdered?

  • phillip.joubert.56 - 2012-11-01 16:42

    Wonder net as dit wittes was wat gestrike het en geskiet was wat sal HAMMER ZUMA dan gese en gedoen het. KAN MAAR NET RAAI !!!!!!!\r\nZOOMER los apartyd dit is al amper 20 jaar later en jy hardloop soos n af kop honder en K ....... A.........k praat. Vergeet die woord apartheid want as jy daarvan praat wil ek net geweer op neem. ASSEBLIEF !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Eterni80 - 2012-11-01 16:44

    and your manipulation/padding of the votes ahead of manguang isn't ? seems to me that you get to pick and choose what parts of apart-hate you want to keep and discard.. if you had any brains at all (or a soul/spine) you'd step down as president, the only problem we have is that I'm sure there are even more useless people than yourself eyeing your job..

  • wendy.craig.9655 - 2012-11-01 16:48

    I hear an echo "Shoot to kill" and YOU appointed him, Zuma!

  • Vusumzi - 2012-11-01 16:52

    the best thing can happen for south africa is not give jacob zuma a second term bcoz under his rule we see democracy replaced by apatheid

  • andrew.j.thomas.311 - 2012-11-01 16:57

    Dear Mr President Its worse than Apartheid, you expected the police to shoot at you if you demonstrated so you came mentally prepared for that, you where fighting a cause for the better life for all and there understood that to give a life for the struggle was part of the solution. Know they are giving there lives out of frustration for the lack of delivery by government in the promises they made when they told them we will deliver you from Apartheid into the holly land where all will have what they want, well they have realized that the truth is not what they where promised and the struggle lives on. Apartheid never lied to people it was disgusting degrading and despicable, but it did not make false promises that offered people false hope

  • nathan.g.moss - 2012-11-01 17:01

    South Africa may not be an Apartheid country but the ANC want it to be. You said that during apartheid ‘there would have been a huge cover up’, but aren’t you pushing for the secrecy bill?

  • andrew.prinsloo - 2012-11-01 17:02

    He's clearly not living in the same SA that I am aware of when he says "... cannot mean our system is a system that is killing people," The ANC system is a process of ethnic cleansing to get rid of all the whites, and killing them is their favoured method. Go take a shower, knucklehead.

  • themba.nsele.71 - 2012-11-01 17:05

    You may not like it, but this countrty is a product of aparteid,, which direction it takes, it will still be determined by the reflections of the aparteid.

  • chamberlainbell - 2012-11-01 17:25

    Whatever Zuma has to say about the Marikana massacre is too little, too late and about as relevant as his presidency. He should have have demonstrated his leadership abilities, acted immediately and decisively to resolve a volatile situation (even before Malema exploited that opportunity) so that calm and justice could prevail. Instead he kept a low profile, probably more concerned with his R240,000,000 extreme home makeover, only to surface when it was convenient to raise his public profile. But a country gets the leadership that it votes for.

  • louis.olivier.988 - 2012-11-01 17:30

    Definatly not. Sharpville remember it. There was no tampering with the evidence and the police didn't file 900 live rounds like what happened at Marikane

  • piet.human.33 - 2012-11-01 17:55

    Too many children leads to poor households with no education for children. Few jobs for educated but many for cheap uneducated labourers. Supply and demand? Wake up an learn from history, not politics!

  • rouen.heiberg - 2012-11-01 17:57

    \South Africa is a democratic country, not an apartheid country, and one incident cannot mean our system is a system that is killing people,\ he said\\r\n\r\n\r\nUhm....since 94 our murder and rape statistics are off the charts....so your \system\ is a system that is killing people.

  • piero.mendace.5 - 2012-11-01 18:03

    Its about time the ANC started electioneering... go boys now let's see who believes you!